Dave's Picks Volume 8: Fox Theatre, Atlanta, GA 11/30/80 - SOLD OUT
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This item is now available for PRE-ORDER ONLY. Item is estimated to ship November 1, 2013.
It's our last release of the 2013 Dave's Picks series and this next one's a fox, literally. We're making our first foray into the 80s (don't expect it to be the last!) with the complete show from 11/30/80, Fox Theatre, Atlanta, GA. Fans of "The Fox" often debate the merits of this highly-esteemed performance, as in they find it hard to narrow down their favorite bits since this night is replete with many. From a spirited opener with an era-defining rendition of "Deal" to a soaring and powerful second set featuring one of the best ever versions of "Scarlet>Fire," there's no doubt the band was on their game and sound man Dan Healy was too. As the liners put it, "fast or slow, Jerry or Bob, routine or rare: they nail them all." Multiple listens have been said to yield un-ending revelations (even auras!), you'll just have to tune in to see where you land on the spectrum. Wherever this exceptional show takes you, it all adds up to over 3 hours of extremely fun listening. Hotlanta, indeed!
It goes without saying that this one will sell out in no time at all, so your best bet is to pre-order it now...
3 Disc set
Limited to 13,000 individually numbered copies
Mastered to HDCD specs by Jeffrey Norman
Digipak made of 100% recycled and PCW materials
Release Date: November 1, 2013
Fox Theatre, Atlanta, GA 11/30/80
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Yes, tomorrow will be two weeks since shipment. The tracking # has never worked and this is the second bad tracking # in a row w/ mail innovations.
Does anyone know, do they ship DaPicks out early to international address's? It would be nice if they did the same for us up here in AK.
Glad everyone is enjoying the new release, hope to hear it soon.
May the music never stop.
Wow. Despite being able to only nail down my favorite Dead to a Decade ('68 - '78),
I have to say this '80 release has floored me. If it isn't the best performance on a Dave's so far (and it just could be... but how can you prove it!) it most certainly is the best sounding.
Someone else commented that they can hear talking in the audience during the ballads because of the Matrix, but I think this could actually be the band and/or crew. And I think it just adds to the realism, really. God, the drums; Jerry in my living room!
And there are moments when you really feel the surge of energy driving the band and crowd into a frenzy (see: 'Loser').
On another, related topic: I am getting pretty tired of getting scratched and marked CDs.
Almost every single Pick I've received (and many other releases- Spring '90; May '77 etc.)
has a disc with obvious damage. I am fussy about keeping my discs in perfect nick, but this is my right and receiving them this way new is very annoying for me.
I never used to complain, because I would always be sent replacements without question, but
"Dr. Rhino" is now asking me to send photos, and while this may sound like an easy task, it isn't- for me. And now I have received the latest discs, one with, you guessed it, a nasty scratch. This is definitely a big enough mark to hinder the laser's ability to read properly, but I still owe D.R. a photo for discs from Dave's Picks 7!
This is especially embarrassing and tedious. Especially having bought nearly every Dead release ever.
Thanks for reading my rant.
Thanks, Stoltzfus (and David)!
One of my favorite moments on Dave's 4 is the sudden audience patch just as Jerry spins the Slipknot riff into launch-point for the improv jam. The excited reaction of the audience is suddenly present, reminding us this really was a live show, even if the sound quality & performance are studio caliber.... So a matrix from any era is welcome by me.
Popped in the Cornell/Penn State Road Trips (which I picked up only a few months ago) to keep the '80 going....but it's not on the same level as Dave's 8. Some choice moments (Other One->drums->space->Wharf Rat) but they're not "in the zone" like they are on 11/30. Made it to disc 3, which is probably the hottest disc, but I think I'm switching back to Dave's 8 again first :)
we know about 4/18/70. BUT notice in the article how DaL says he has been "immeresed in 1983 & 1984 GD."
good news for those clamoring for more 80s GD.
I did see where someone in Indianapolis just still waiting as of November 12th.
Called Dead.net today since I *still* haven't received Dave's Picks 8. They're going to re-ship via mail innovations.
Anyone else out there still waiting for their shipment?
I believe every multi track uses crowd mics, and then they can actually mix the crowd noise as they wish (hence crowd between songs, no crowd during). With the ability to give every instrument at least one channel, they can also balance the mix very well resulting in nice sounding recordings.
On the other hand, matrix mixing gives a whole new "air" to the recording, a much more present and real feeling. One can detect the aural space more accurately, and audience noise is much less mixable because they don't have their own channel. The result is hearing the nice crowd eruptions and excitement during certain jams, verses, general live happenings. There is something more raw and real life about matrix mixes.
I do love multi track recordings, Europe '72, Dead Set and Reckoning, The February/March Fillmore '69 recordings, all great. But matrix mixes add a new dimension, as well. Both have places at the top of my collection.
Roland, great story, glad you've joined the ranks of us hysterical exagerrating Americans! (What, Americans, the most perfect humans ever to live in God's creation, the beacon for the world to follow, exaggerate?). I thought this show was hyped too until I heard Dave's 8.
I do think there are good candidates for pre-80s matrix releases. There are some astounding outdoor AUD recordings from '74, and those AUDs could go a long way toward reducing the sharp unpleasant vocal sound on the WoS SBs. (Someone below mentioned WoS matrix, too).
EDIT: fourwinds' post reminds me, another great sounding "matrixey" recording is Dead Set. I remember reading that they had mics in the audience too... Dead Set may not be the best stuff around, but man does it sound great (and actually I love some of those versions a lot).
I'm almost sure that one of the 16 tracks was an audience track.
This clarifies matters.
I enjoy a lot of music on a high quality system, but I'm able to combine that with a complete lack of technical knowledge...
Europe '72 recordings are multi track. With multi track shows, matrix is generally unnecessary. Pre 80's are ususally smaller venues, a little less sound control, so the boards aren't quite as subdued and/or unbalanced. I have heard some matrix recordings of shows pre 80's, like Cornell '77 matrix, and they are good. But, the larger venue, less balanced 2 track soundboards really benefit the most from audience recording supplementation.
This Tuesday a friend 25 miles north received it. Went to listen to it and was blown by the sound quality and especially the dynamics and the interaction.
We commented on the exaggerated, hysterical comments of the (mostly American?) participants on the forum, but had to agree completely within literally seconds.
The (little) Space before Wheel is mind blowing, an almost religious experience, some unique synth sounds that were never heard of again. Also, during Feel like a stranger, definitely NOT a favorite of mine, it sounded like Bobby was singing in the room. I never heard the hi-hats so clearly, really great ambiance!
Unfortunately there was a drop in Ship of fools, losing the last minute, so he will have to work that out with CS.
It took them two days to travel 25 miles south, but today I received it as well. Thankfully not damaged, and sounding as great as I remembered.
I used to be a pre-hiatus guy, but Spring 1990 and this release, and the possibilities of matrix releases in general challenge that position.
Question: matrix releases seem only possible with later (post 77/) releases, or so i gather from the forum. Is that true, and if so, why? Some Europe 72 concerts seem rather 'matrixey' to me, and I find it enhances the experience, especially if you still have the professional recording of the music as well.
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I've not been a big fan of the Brent era, but must say, this show is fantastic! The band is really on this night and full of energy -- the show really rocks. The matrix mix sounds perfect, to my ear. Great job, Dave! Keep the picks coming.
The east coast spring '87 sbd/matrix recording's sound really really good. Is this on the list to be released? I really really hope so. ;-)
I think even the outdoor shows could benefit. I don't know if you heard any, but when the Dead toured in 2003 and 2004, you could order live recordings of the show at the show; they were called Munck mixes, and they used a matrix approach. They sounded really good, and I couldn't believe how "organic" the drums sounded in these mixes.
There is a big problem with postal tracking, ordered a book of stamps online, this was a week ago, they have been in one town for 5 days, now they are in Philly. So I would not blame the Dead.
I am totally amazed at the realistic sound reproduction with this Matrix Mix. As many in this forum have pointed out, the drums are JUST RIGHT and everything is not only in balance - it's totally realistic! You feel like you're sitting in the best seat at the Fox Theatre.
I would think that the Matrix Mix approach would have the most successful results when working with an audience tape recorded at an indoor venue rather than an outdoor one. But I hope I'm wrong about that assessment and look forward to another work of Audio Realism Art from Dave and the rest of his Cosmic Compadres at Rhino.
Can't get enough of this pick! Listen in the car daily, to and from work. Also late nights on the Sony in the garage. As I have few shows of this era, my anticipation was high. No disappointment here, this a high energy show with Jerry in top form.
Now... Anything is possible! We have dipped our toe into the 80s. Where will Dave take us after Montana?
Strider, that sounds like a perfect drive..
I was driving home from the store today with my 4 year old, and playing the Scarlet>Fire (again), when Samson came on. Since she and I had listened to this in the car yesterday, I skipped ahead to Ship of Fools. My little girl cried out, "Daddy, I liked that song" So I put Samson back on and wow, loved it again, in fact more, than the first two listens. Samson (!). Then she says, "This song is just... loud and groovy dad!"
EDIT: I haven't been this obsessed with a release, in terms of the number of repeated listenings, since the June 9, 1976 Road Trips.
yes indeed .... a beautiful transition there one of my favorites and a high light of this show !! great 80's dead music !
Listened to first two CDs of Atlanta Nov 80 driving back from 3rd Mesa Az. Saturday night. I love it. It kept my wits sharp and on the lookout for those open range rez wild horses. More matrix mix!
I concur that these matrices give you the 'you are there' experience so Dave please keep them coming.
And thanks to Nick for picking this Nick's Pick Volume 1!
Now an MSG September 1979 Box Set!!! Please.
Man, I just got around to listening to this release this morning on my 2 hour commute back to the work week after reading everyone's feedback, and from what I am hearing, it lives up to the excitement.
The Big River definitely has a second line thing going on this show. The drummers are on, as is everyone it seems, but also the sound really brings out details sometimes missed by two-track soundboards. Especially in the larger venues where sound control is more important, the drums really sound subdued on many two-track soundboards. The matrix really allows you to hear the drums in a more realistic way, as if you were there. Of course, being recorded in a smaller venue, the Fox, doesn't hurt either.
I also hope a trend has begun for matrix releases. Imagine a Boston Garden '91 matrix box?! All of the early 90's shows would benefit greatly from matrix mastering since these, to my ears, suffer the most from arena mixing of the drums.
Great release, and high hopes for the future.
Happy fourth birthday to me, by the way (this was recorded on the day I turned 4)!
If you have read Nick Paumgarten's article on the Dead in New Yorker magazine, then you know this was not Dave's pick at all. In fact, he didn't bother to listen to it when Nick tried to turn him on to this show. So it's Nick's Picks, Volume 1! Please let Nick pick them from now on. He's one for one so far!
While I appreciate your glowing review of DaP 8; your recommendations and endorsement of Dead.net's reasonable prices, I must take issue with something; in all the literature I've read on the Dead, and all I've heard, I've never, ever seen it stated that Garcia and Mydland were "best friends".
I'm not being nit-picky, so much as I'm just concerned that dressing-up history with flippant embellishments is not necessarily a "good" thing.
Excuse me if you are privy to info that my ignorance has not embraced.
Is this one BETTER than 11/1/79, the hidden track on DP 13? WE all know it's not as good as 5/8/77 but I do agree it is a top 10 or even a top 5. The thing I LOVE about this show is Space>The Wheel it's as if they were created for each other on this particular night. A slow, deliberate Space journeys into a melodic, soulful Wheel, 2 of a perfect pair. Yes this show is my favorite of the entire Dave's Picks Series Here's hoping that DL can release that same kind of magic in 2014. What a way to end the series in 2013. HAPPY SUNDAY, DEADLAND!!!!
Inside, I'm freaking out with each report of how DP8 is the best yet.... . I will be shocked as hell if someone returns the misdelivered package to the USPS & they deliver it to me at this point. November 14th can't come quick enough.
On a whim I went to archive.org to seek out the RR '79 show you hyped up and I stumbled upon a matrix of RR '78. Intrigued, I am in the process of checking it out. Ramble on Rose sounds great the mix is nice and full with a little audience and atmosphere sprinkled in. It looks like there is 7 minutes of introduction and more of the 'dead air' between tunes is retained. I wonder how the matrix will treat the splices present on the soundboard recording. We shall see.
Right on time, thanks Dead.net. I gave the show it's first listen on RCA wireless headphones last week. I knew this show was good from an audience tape I had years ago (thanks Michael from NC). What blew me away when I first listened to this great recording and then really paid attention were the *harmonies*! on The Roses. Heck, they even sound rehearsed! Hmmm, how could that be? - - Maybe, it's the previous months residencies at Warfield/Radio City halls? So I cracked open my DeadBase (nearby because of this months 30 Days of Dead contest) and see they had recently revived the tune for the Warfield/Radio City run. These are the first performances with Brent, which to this point had been mostly acoustic. Wow, 3 part harmonies...cool! Oh, and I must politely add: WHAT ABOUT GAINESVILLE!?
From start to finish this is a solid pick with many highlights. The matrix enhances the experience - the surge in crowd noise in Ramble on Rose is a great example. Stranger starts things off in a good way with a nice shakedown style chug. Loser is a real highlight and has a quick wave of force toward the final chorus that will blow you away - Ramble is solid and Jerry really gets into the "goodbye" ending. The rest of the tunes in the first set are great and the big river beats add a nice change.
Second set Scarlet>Fire lives up to the hype - the transition is powerful and happens at a peak of a solo instead of creeping in. Samson is strong, nice Ship and then an inspired Playing.
Drums settles into a focused space that has wheel from the beginning so wheel is really has a nice lead in, including some great Bent atmospheric keys - much like second set 12.79 dp. China has a great charge to it at the end and I normally skip the around and around but this one kept me going and I enjoyed Brent's synth sounds (thought Bobby was going to start cracking up). UJB is a great end to an awesome pick -
Overall I feel the band had some great bursts of energy throughout these tunes and the night as a whole - the playing is intricate and I am sure there will be rewards from repeated listenings. This show is a tight ocean wave that has a well structured pipeline and crashed with great force and then bubbles up on the shore.
Wow! Of all the 8 Dave's Picks, this is definitely one of the best! And I haven't even listened to the 3rd disk yet! LOL The audio quality is off-the-hook! Ramble on Rose may be one of the best versions ever. Me and My Uncle -> Big River is amazing. Bob Weir is really on, as is the entire band. Deal is very good, and Scarlet Begonias -> Fire On The Mountain is one of the best ever. Not as good as May 8, 1977 at Barton Hall - Cornell University, but it's a top 10 for sure!
I've always liked the 1979-80-81 time frame. Jerry Garcia was never the same after Brent Mydland passed away. They were best friends! And 1980 was an amazing year for the Grateful Dead with Brent (sophomore year). Go To Nassau from May, 1980 is an amazing CD. But this show from November 30, 1980, is as good as any of the Dave's Picks, in my honest opinion. Am glad I bought the 2012 and 2013 Dave's Picks packages in advance, as they always sells out. No need to pay high prices online when you can get get the best price through Dead.net. They are already taking orders for 2014 (14,000 limited copies), and those will sell out as well! Going to order that right now!
one of my favorites in a while and great timing with halloween and fall time listening to this show is a treat. bring on a 79' more 80' and 81' show ,, its about time for a Shakedown Street although this release is going to be hard to top.
Means I can listen to DP 8 after doing some work around the house. It's chilly in Philly so I'll clean out the chimney, seal the attic windows, test the heating system then put on the headphones & really give this show a serious listen. To those who haven't received it yet hold on, you paid for it you will receive it. Here's hoping EVERYBODY gets their copy Monday. HAVE A GRATEFUL EVENING, DEADLAND!!!!
Scarlet>Fire. A run of notes from Jerry at 4:54, heading up. Up. Then Wind in the Willows kicks in.
I expected to like this. I did not expect this to be my favorite of the Dave's series so far. But it is.
Heading out for live music tonight, and God help me, I just want to stay home and listen to this some more.
First off I want to say that Dave's Picks 8 arrived in the deep South and that made me a happy camper. Maybe it is all those years of living the paranoid life style or something I ingested many, many years ago that screws with my thinking. Next, I just love the sound of this release, clear and full bodied, resulting from a superior copy of the soundboard tapes and an excellent audience recording that was made with love and appreciation, skillfully mixed to bring a most realistic sound to my old ears. I was at the Fox that November 30 of 1980 and my memory is a little clouded. This show opened up some of the darker recesses of my brain to let the Sun shine in once again. Thank you to all involved. If you are a fan of this Matrix please consider checking out Hunter Seamons collection of Matrix recordings. He has just seeded Hunter's Trix 100 of 8-13-1979 and it sounds great. The best of both worlds. Keep dancing my friends!!! (~);}
If you paid for it, they gotta give it, no matter what.
When you do, you'll have a Golden (Road) Ticket.
Sincere good luck, fellow poster.
and that's after hearing disc one.
Loser is so good. Roses is so good.
I think it show's backordered because it's a preordered item.
Is anyone showing "backorder" when they look up their order? This is my first time with the Dave's Picks and didn't know if this is how it goes. Looks like a few people were having shipping issues. Thanks and looking forward to this disc.
Repeated listenings will reveal new and exciting facets to this gem.
This release is phenomenal!! From start to finish the energy and sound quality of this show is amazing. Thanks Dave and crew, look forward to the next release.
there is something about this show-Nick's notes are making sense-this show is not one of those where you got the whole thing down on first listen-there is something else here-a charged rippin, snortin, sheets of sound shake it up kind of something going on-I need to listen to this a lot-
I've only had enough time to listen to the start of the show. Bravo everyone- there's an openess to the sound- room for the instruments to breathe- and it's a thrill to listen to. Jerry is on fire during Stranger. And the recording matches this performing excellence. Everything came together beautifully with this release. Thanks for all the efforts.
...and trying really hard to not be bitter. I mean - people in frickin' EUROPE are getting it before people here in the US who are less than 1000 miles from the shipping warehouse. [sigh]
Though I've been a member here for years, I seldom comment. I've purchased all the releases and enjoy reading the discussions, etc., even from PFox. (you folks take that guy entirely too seriously!) I think the last time I posted was to complain about the lack of support for the bum discs in the Europe '72 box. But now, now, I can't resist! Dave's Picks #8 has got to be the best damn release SINCE the Europe '72 box! And I'm one of those guys ya'll all like to dog for being hung up on '70s shows! But this one, whew boy! The results of this matrix experiment are astounding! I'm excited about the future possibilities of applying this concept to other shows! And talk about a performance! Jerry taking flight in Bird Song and tearing it up at the end of Deal, the crazy Big River, sublime Playin', and that Scarlet-Fire! Wow! Before I heard it I wanted to scream when Dave AGAIN said "It's one of the best ever!". Alas, his words ring true! And that goes for this whole show! I admit it, 80's Dead can be awesome Dead! oh yeah, WHAT ABOUT GAINESVILLE?!?!?!?
Almost speechless. Seriously. The Scarlet>Fire is really good, but the highlight has to be disc three. The Playin' is phenomenal. The jam buildup is fast and frantic, then falls apart like a psychedelic Jenga tower into a puddle of goo then into some awesome drumz. The Wheel is actually about ten minutes long, as I consider space a Wheel Jam>The Wheel. The China Doll into Around & Around brought the biggest grin on my face. Loving Brent's work on the Chuck Berry tunes as someone posted earlier. Flowing back and forth from synth to organ. Awesome. And the UJB encore? Well.......that's all I can say about that. Most of you know what I'm talking about. This will be in rotation for a LONG time. Beautiful show. Thanks Dave.
Wow! This mix is terrific - much better than what you can find on the archive. Very strong show from start to finish - thanks, Dave, Jeffrey, Mark, et al.
No 8713 has crossed the pond. Terrific! For years I have sent prayers to GDP to enter matrix realm. Finally! I hope this will not be the last one. I guess there is a stock of strong 80s shows that quaify to matrix.
Im extremely happy with the Dave's Picks serie so far. It is hard to see how to top DaP 3, 6, 7, 8. Truly epic picks! A huge improvement from the early Dicks Picks days.
if you havent ordered it, do so post haste
you've heard most of the songs before, but the playing is sweet and the stage banter is hilarious
highlights are the two bobby songs before pig comes on, "uncle" and "mama tried"...straight up country arrangements on both, very unique. they sound like they are on stage at the opry
then you get to pigpen