Dave's Picks Volume 8: Fox Theatre, Atlanta, GA 11/30/80 - SOLD OUT
This product is officially sold out.
This item is now available for PRE-ORDER ONLY. Item is estimated to ship November 1, 2013.
It's our last release of the 2013 Dave's Picks series and this next one's a fox, literally. We're making our first foray into the 80s (don't expect it to be the last!) with the complete show from 11/30/80, Fox Theatre, Atlanta, GA. Fans of "The Fox" often debate the merits of this highly-esteemed performance, as in they find it hard to narrow down their favorite bits since this night is replete with many. From a spirited opener with an era-defining rendition of "Deal" to a soaring and powerful second set featuring one of the best ever versions of "Scarlet>Fire," there's no doubt the band was on their game and sound man Dan Healy was too. As the liners put it, "fast or slow, Jerry or Bob, routine or rare: they nail them all." Multiple listens have been said to yield un-ending revelations (even auras!), you'll just have to tune in to see where you land on the spectrum. Wherever this exceptional show takes you, it all adds up to over 3 hours of extremely fun listening. Hotlanta, indeed!
It goes without saying that this one will sell out in no time at all, so your best bet is to pre-order it now...
3 Disc set
Limited to 13,000 individually numbered copies
Mastered to HDCD specs by Jeffrey Norman
Digipak made of 100% recycled and PCW materials
Release Date: November 1, 2013
Fox Theatre, Atlanta, GA 11/30/80
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Of the picks so far:
1 (May 77) - has gotten lost in my May 77 overdose. Need to revisit at some point. I remember especially liking the first set actually. The drummers sound really really good on this one - I recall hearing them in Cassidy in a way I haven't heard on other recordings.
2 (July 74) new favorite WRS, love the whole third set) - true that the vocal sound is rough on this (as with many WOS SBs) - hey how about a MATRIX of a '74 show? There are some GREAT AUDS from 74 (Jai Alai Fronton! Jerry Moore!).
3 (Oct 71) Pretty much all of it, I love this one. Good clean fun.
4 (Sep 76) Playin>Supp>Playin, Help>Slip>Drums>Slip>Franklin's>TMNS>Stella!!!!;
5 (Nov 73) - Haven't listened to it all - only because I had this on CDR and had listened to it a lot in the past (it was the first show I got in a trade, along with 2/26/77, what a way to get hooked).
6 (Dec 69 / Feb 70) - Man the Feb 70 stuff just blows away everything - perhaps my favorite part of the whole series so far. I prefer the early '70 post TC version of the band - more spacious sounding. BLACK EFFING PETER.
7 (April 78) - Perhaps it was coming on the heels of the May 77 box, but I haven't gotten into this one yet. Sounded too bright to my ears after the warm glow of 5/11/77, and Bobby's slide is just rough for me (but I love DP 25 and 18, so go figure).
8 - Can't wait. This will end up being high on the list for me.
Here is how I look at it - I paid 100 bucks for four shows and a bonus disc (and yes, as Mr. Badger points out, peace of mind). Without the subscription, the cost and shipping for four shows would be something like 135 bucks.
I figure, if I don't like a show, then buying four shows at the subscription rate still comes out to the same as buying three shows a la carte... (plus the bonus disc).
I think I can definitely set aside $100 bucks for some shows. Thanks for the info.
Last year the subscription was $99.98 for four DaPs and a bonus disk. Subscriptions were on sale from 26 October up to 23 January. If you can find the $$$ it is a great deal and saves a lot of stress later in the year.
So how does the subscription work? Any idea when the 2014 subscription announcement is coming?Was it $100 for the 4 releases? I'll gladly pay that to not miss out next time. I logged on to dead.net the other night and this was still available, so I thought, "Cool, I'll pick it up sometime tomorrow." Went back to buy it, and GONE. Bummed.
Since I lost my hard drive with all my shows, I'm reloading my collection of Dead, but I've decided to only go with official releases this time (too many poor audience recordings in my old collection). That said, does anyone know of a legit place to buy these secondhand? I'm wary of ebay. I'd rather buy from a head or an actual music store. Amazon sellers have a few new copies of DaP 1-7, but I'm not positive. Isn't it possible someone ordered these, unwrapped them, made a copy, and has access to shrinkwrap? I don't want to pay 60 bucks for a show in the first place, much less a used show posing as new.
If anyone here is selling extras of DaP 1-7, PM me. I may take them off your hands.
EDIT: Snagged a copy of 7. Twist and Shout in Denver has 15 brand new copies, somehow. So I guess I'm still looking for sealed 1-6.
It is part of the 2013 subscription. I do think they will raise the number for 2014 to something like 14-15,000.
I plan to subscribe again. --- I think that: More of the returned 69-70 stuff is coming, and some of the returned 70-71 stuff, and a mid-80's show, because the fast sellout of Daves 8 might encourage them to do another 80's matrix, despite the extra work involved.
Hypothesis: They released Dave's 7 from '78 because it was already prepped for the Download Series years earlier, and it gave them time to suss out the matrix for Dave's 8. Also explains the otherwise odd decision to release a '78 show on the heels of the May 77 Box, and following that string of '70's shows in the Dave's series.
So hell yeah I'm re-upping.
I hope so.
I am willing to trade my unopened Dave's 8 & 6 (I do not have the bonus disc from 6) for a Dave's 2 with the bonus disc.
It is Capitalism pure and simple
Look it up if you must but I don't think you need to
I am nothing beaneath the colossal
Theory of such a thing a capitalism
Many public AND private economic decisions
can and will produce erratic results (inside the beltway for the last few weeks as an example).
Try to juggle 3 baseball sized mercury balls to get the picture.
" It costs more to store food than it does to give it"- B Dylan
shwack in nh
this was the first year i didn't sell the subscription bonus disc. i've sold many GD bonus discs; whether they were included in the subscriptions, or came with a box set pre-order. i made more selling the 'road trips' bonus disc than i paid for the subscription that year. the reason i kept the one this year was, because it wasn't from a random show. it actually fit with 'dave's picks' volume 6.
I think by limiting the Da8 and having it sell out really fast, TBTB are making a case for those of us to pony-up for the next years subscriptions (available soon).
It would not surprise me to see next year's subscription contain another release from the 69-70 recently returned tapes (Dave has said this will happen), 2 releases from the 80's (Brent) and one from late 1990-early 1991 Bruce/Vince).
To paraphrase Paul McCartney paraphrasing Mark Twain, reports of eBay conspiracy are greatly exaggerated. Yes, you see some earlier Dave's for $100- $200. But you don't see hundreds, or even dozens, of any given release at that price. The idea that limited editions are keeping some racketeering ring in the dough is pretty silly.
If it weren't for eBay, there's a couple o' bonus discs I wouldn't have. I paid out for them, but a) that's what I get for not buying the release new, and b) if you're patient and wait for your pitch you'll usually snag one at a price you're not utterly ashamed to pay. I've sold exactly one limited edition cd on eBay myself, and I started the bid at what covered my cost (original price + shipping). After that, it was an AUCTION, and whatever I got was solely what the buyers themselves wanted to pay.
RE: the rebuttals to SpaceBro, maybe the swift sellout doesn't entirely reflect the silent 80's brigade, but in between all the off-topics there's been an awful lot of discussion about the Dave's 8 show and its surrounding nights....more lively discussion about the actual release than many threads of the last few years. Sunshine Daydream's miles of praises notwithstanding......so glad that one's getting the love.
Still on the fence about this year's subscription, not because I'm broke (thank God) or crazy (!), but because I'm always re-assessing my gluttony factor. Shades of Stoltzfus....
Is it wrong for Dead Heads to make a profit selling extra copies? Yes. I was not a taper, but I have bartered for many over the years. I've traded incense, doses, and even just provided the blank tapes. I never had a taper charge me profit for a tape. But, it is not my place to judge. I just choose not to participate in that.
If a release is announced on Tuesday, and is gone by Friday, how is this working? How are the releases FOR THE FANS if fans can't wait until the weekend to order. Hopefully it's realized this system isn't working.
No I don't think it's wrong, especially when I'm willing to spend above retail for future releases. However I'm probably in the minority with that opinion but what other option do I have? Like I said earlier, commitments to family are more important than having the latest release today. I didn't get DP6 & bonus disc until September 13th I knew I'd get it eventually I just had to wait until AFTER preschool started. Once I got the kids situated then I had some available funds to spend on Dead merchandise. Sometimes it is what it is. Like I stated before I WILL have a DP Subscription for 2014. I personally wouldn't buy 2 just to sell 1 at an inflated price however I would buy 1 at an inflated price just because I MUST have it, I just don't have it to have it on release day. After all I'm a dire DEADHEAD, Aren't we ALL, Peace DeadLand.
is it wrong for deadheads to sell extra copies of the dave's picks series to those willing to spend above retail in order to pay for future grateful dead music purchases?
Comparing hippies in the parking lot trying to scrounge up money to get from show to show to a corporate record company? That's a bit of a stretch, isn't it? I don't know of anyone who made a fortune vending in the parking lot? Possibly, some of the dealers?
I understand Rhino releasing these in limited numbers. No one wants to sit on inventory for years waiting for it to sell. I don't have a problem with people buying multiple copies. Although, up charging for them later is wrong. But, that is your business. It's still a free society.
I'm just bummed that I didn't even get to my Friday payday. I intended to switch some bills around, and make the purchase over the weekend. I did not have a subscription, due to my just recovering from a financial disaster at the end of my marriage. I know. Everybody has their financial sob story. I'll have the subscription next year though.
Right now the entire Dave's Picks subscription PLUS bonus disc, ALL SEALED for $299.99. Yesterday I got the DP8 preorder PLUS SSDD poster for $50.00 on Ebay. Ebay is the reason I opted not to get the subscription this year. I ordered DP5 on dead.net, DP6+BD on Ebay for 89.99 & DP7 on dead.net & I will get DP8 on Ebay. Because of financial constraints, I have a wife and 2 preschool daughters I couldn't get it on dead.net when it was available last December. My family's happiness is more important to me than a Dave's Picks subscription. I asked the wife to make the subscription my Christmas present this year so I will have a subscription in 2014. I just wanted the music as long as I was able to get it on Ebay or amazon.com I wasn't that upset about missing out on this years subscription. I knew I was going to overpay by going to the internet however it's not that big a deal I just wanted the "official" release. Here are the numbers that I drew;
Volume 5 (dead.net) 8932
Volume 6 (Ebay) 7191
Volume 7 (dead.net) 8484
Volume 8 (Ebay) TBD I will let you know
I just wanted to give my 2 cents worth. I paid over $400.00 just on dead.net this year and another $200.00 on jerrygarcia.com not including the outrageous shipping prices. I remember when I used to pay $9.96 for overnight shipping now I pay close to or over $40.00 depending on the product. Now that's what I complain about but that's for another time. HAPPY MONDAY, DEADLAND!!!!!
all this negativity about capitalism is making my brain hurt. who wasn't selling shit on dead tour?
also... if you pay for weed don't bitch about not having money.
Perhaps Rhino should reinvent it's model- Limited release only in terms of the amount of people that order it. Still have a period of time for subscription sign-up. Then a window of time after a release is announced so that anyone who orders it can get it. The collector is appeased- there's still a finite number of copies. And there's much less chance of missing out on a release. Rhino has no risk of surplus- all copies are "made to order." It seems this approach would be more fan friendly.
Just wanted to say it was a great thing how Chris Grand threw that donation offer on the table. GD=Community. It's a good day. Keep 'em rolling, Dave!
Anyone interested in trading my sealed DaP 8 for your sealed RSD Vinyl from 4/18/70?
Will gladly reimburse for any differences in price.
Looks like a fun show, but this new vinyl piece is particularly intriguing.
PM me if interested.
First, it hasn't taken 6 months to sell out any of the previous Dave's Picks. It's been, at most, 6 weeks (I think all of them have sold out before the shipping date).
Second, they didn't just sell 13,000 copies in 5 days. They sold however many were left after the subscribers got theirs.
To you folks that love the 80's....congrats, it looks like the success of DP8 will lead to more 80's releases.
It's win-win...you are more likely to get 80's releases, and I can save my money :)
Touche. Everyone makes very valid points here on both sides of the argument. I am just saying I understand some folks' frustration.
Please, everyone enjoy the tunes.
Tomorrow GaeciaLive Vol-03 comes out. Amazon has it for $15.49 with free mp3 & free shipping if you spend $25.
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I think folks are taking the 13k print run a little too personally. Undoubtedly Rhino has done a lot of research to get to that number. Physical media doesn't sell as well these days so having to warehouse thousands of CDs just because of few folks want copies makes terrible business sense.
Also, (and I know that this will not be welcomed here, but...) there seems to be a assumption that everyone is entitled to these products no matter what. Just because "Jerry said...." 25 years ago is hardly justification in my book. In fact, no one know what he would make of all of this today. For all we know he'd enjoy the extra income and spend more time on vacation if he were still around.
My final note, and again this won't be popular - financial hardship is a reality. And that sucks. But that's also the way things are sometimes. If someone has staggering credit card debt they may not want to add to that, and that's certainly understandable. At the same time, a subscription is $100. That's really NOT a lot of money. Pay it off $20/month and even with interest the cost wouldn't be drastically higher. I know this sounds a bit callous, but it's not intended to be. The point is that people can make their own decisions about these things, but then they have to live with them. It's like when you watch one of those home buying shows on TV, and the couple is struggling over which option to buy. Well up front the number might look really big, but in the end if it only adds $10-15 to your monthly payment, it might be worth doing. Same thing here - even if you owe $5 on your credit card, another $100 isn't going to kill you (in most cases - there are always exceptions). If someone wants to try to keep up with ALL the releases, I can see that being a different struggle, but the subscription seems, to me, like a fairly low risk purchase. YMMV, of course.
So I say lay off of Coconut Phil. I've contemplated getting a second subscription and selling them off to recoup my costs, but haven't yet. That doesn't mean I won't in the future. If you don't like the way the system works then make it work for you.
Apologies if all of this sounds callous, but as idealistic as hippies and Deadheads are at times, we're talking about business here. If there are 10-15 people who are bitterly upset about the fact that a given release has sold out that's not nearly enough to justify another run (and I get that the numbers for this release are probably higher). As the person running the show, you're not going to change your business model for the 5% of people who are dissatisfied. No. You look at it and say, wow 95% satisfied, that's pretty good. We're doing something right.
Don't expect too much to change around here. They might add another 1-2k to the limited edition in the coming years, but if it's not broke, don't fix it. That's simply being pragmatic.
Ok, that's my $0.05. Again, apologies if this comes off in the wrong tone (can't convey tone via text...
Matchewy writes: "Funny how Rhino can turn a bunch of Heads into die hard capitalists. We must be lab rats in some experiment!"
To which I reply (with a smile): Didn't you ever see the parking lot at a show? :)
If I buy extra of a limited item, then I consequently reduce availability of the item to others. If my motive is to give away or share the music (Chris Grand, for example), that is different than buying extra to horde or sell at a higher price later. I don't see where this is so complicated to understand.
Some are bragging about extra copies to hock on Ebay for inflated scratch, and some are lamenting the lost opportunity to purchase.
Regarding chances at subscriptions, the US has seen hard economic times in the last 5 years, and everyone does not have available funds on a moment's notice to purchase subscriptions. Some did not even know about the recent release until it was gone. I do not find the "you had your chance..." attitude to be fair.
Yes, scalping occurs. I think the vibe felt by some is one of disappointment of its occurrence in this community. It is very anti-Dead.
I have purchased both subscriptions, and I own every limited release, one copy of each. However, The whole limited thing is a marketing scheme by the Rhino man to create demand, but it cuts out the most important person: the fan.
It is what it is, but I understand the feeling of disappointment of those who cannot get a copy now while seeing copies on Ebay at a 300 or 400% mark up.
It's a bummer fans missed out on this release. Hopefully next year will see increased production and a download option.
Wow some feeble logic seen here earlier! I don't think what we do -- buy, buy two, buy some more, hold, sell, give away -- with all this fetishized cosmic rock and roll product should be subject to fair play judgement. A buyer who steps up and takes advantage of a standard offer does not put another buyer at a disadvantage. That buyer who did not step up had the same opportunity. (You want to use a ticketron analogy? The guy ahead of you bought the last ten tickets? Set your f*cking alarm clock to go off earlier next time, beetle bailey.) Buyers don't disadvantage other buyers. Sellers may, but that depends on a lot of factors. And if you have a beef with Rhino because you don't agree that 13k is a big enough run, then buy more next time. Buy a subscription or two or three. Then Rhino will understand your special logic.
for putting a little sanity back into this discussion! Clearly, even with the increase from 12,000 to 13,000 this year, the Dave's Picks are obviously selling out too quickly. Perhaps TPTB might consider not deciding on a final number for next year until the end of the subscription offer, and then decide based on this year's sales how many more additional they could reasonably expect to sell.
Meanwhile, Dave mentioned in his Live Chat on October 7th that there would be an announcement regarding the new batch of returned tapes from 1970/71 before the end of the year. It seemed he was ready and able to say something, but was asked to hold off. I presume it will be announced as Dave's Picks Volume 9 as part of the upcoming subscription offer before too long. Could be... interesting! And we already "know" one of the recently returned batch of 1969/70 shows is in the offing, with Dave having said there are 2 of them from 1969 that he wants to get out. I think many of us have a good idea which one from his comments during the Live Chat. Splendid days!
Ooops, never mind. 4/18/70 is going to be a RSD release, from "tapes recently discovered by Mountain Girl in Jerry's personal collection." But may there be more treasure in there forthcoming?
Funny how Rhino can turn a bunch of Heads into die hard capitalists. We must be lab rats in some experiment!
quit giving phil a hard time
the subscription option was out there for anyone and everyone
his purchase of two did not disadvantage anyone
i bought two as well, because i wanted 2 copies of DaP6 with the bonus disc. i gave away DaP5 and am in the process of doing the same with 7 & 8
warfrat71 has claimed DaP8...warfrat71 let me know you got my reply to your message. DaP7 still available for the WWP donation
Well is that my fault? The subscription was out there for months man, we all had plenty of time to get it. Maybe everyone will get on board this round.
"I'm not getting multiple copies, I'm receiving two."
nuff said! : )
You get an extra copy to "sell down the road", someone does not get one now.
Hey Grateful prof, how am I stopping others from getting a copy? I simply ordered two subscriptions when they went on sale. The same subscriptions are available to everyone for months. I'm not making it harder for anyone to get anything. Sorry if you feel I'm short changing anyone, I'm not. If you knew me, you would understand I'm all about sharing and always have been. I will sale the extra copies on down the road that I have, so someone who really wants one will get it. This will be the third year the subscription is being offered, we all have plenty of opportunity to get it. I bet I got five e-mails telling me the subscription will end soon. I'm not getting multiple copies, I'm receiving two. You have falsely inflated my comments.
The folks already listing these CDs on Ebay before they are released are the ones making it tougher for folks to buy. Maybe you should target them through E-bay.
All of the previous Dave's Picks sold out with a week or two, definitely less then one month and not a few months. But DaP8 is THE quickest so that really should show TPTB that the audience wants releases from the 80's. For many folks this is when they saw the Dead so they want shows from their experiences.
Geez, this is too funny....they have released 7 Dave Picks in a row from the 1970s, that take about 6 months each to sell out of the 11-12 thousand copies. They FINALLY release a 1980s show for DP#8....and it sells out of all 13000 copies in 5 days!!
I've been on the "release more 1980s" bandwagon for 2 years...if this doesn't convince them nothing will. They should make the next 5 dave picks from '81-'91....looking forward to getting 11/30/80, great choice
What a guy! That is humanity affirming stuff! I tip my hat to you, sir.
I wondered how long it would take our pal Spacebrother to post that the rapid sell-out of Dave's Picks 8 confirmed the high demand for '80s releases. Bearing in mind that they only have to sell about 2500 copies for it to sell out and also that the profile of the Dead is currently very high due to the success of SSDD, it is hardly surprising that this sold out so quickly. For all we know, the majority of the subscriber base are not happy about this release. I am firmly in the PalmerEldritch camp on this - i.e. I favour the pre-hiatus era. That is not to say that I will not thoroughly enjoy this 1980 offering.
I am sure some people snatched up extras, but I also think some Heads " out of the loop" are now hearing about these remarkable re-mastered gems and are buying them. If you dont buy the year subscription you are crazy, it is under 100 bucks. I hope the releases stay at the same #.
i have a spare DaP7 and will have a spare DaP8
I'll send them out to anyone who makes a $25 (per show) donation to the wounded warrior project
honor system of course...
...you do realize, do you not, that you end your post with the claim that Deadheads are all about sharing, but the body of your post is all about making it harder for heads to get the music, and investing in it, like it might be a pork belly future! So which is it, sharing a limited resource, or hoarding it, can't have it both ways! Its folks like you who are the reason why some many heads here on this thread now cannot get the music--I recommend you send them all a free version when you get one of your multiple-copies!
I usually have no idea what the next Dave's Pick will be but I have a strong feeling that number 9 will be a show from the 1971 tapes that were just returned. Just like DaP 6, they got a bunch of tapes back and the next release was from that source. And he said there is likely two more shows he could release from those tapes. So, next years subscription will probably feature a 69/70 show too (not sure if he stated exactly what year or maybe one from each). Now with this Matrix process, we might be seeing more 80's and the fact that 80's shows have been under represented, we will probably get another one soon. It will be another exciting year for Dave's Picks...not that I ever doubted for a second.
Spacebro, your prediction only holds if you ignore the current subscriber base. I suspect the current subscriber base strongly favors the pre-hiatus era. We shall see.
...it confirms the high demand for '80s releases. If there is any word that the bulk of the next few in the Dave's Picks series are going to be '80s era shows, the next subscription offer will sell out faster than the previous offerings...and justifiably so.
"These releases are just like stocks, they will go up in value for sure."
as someone who once held 3 licenses with the NASD, i find this statement hilarious on so many different levels.
with that said; the dave's picks series has proven to be a good investment thus far, and will probably continue to provide solid returns in the short term.
Hate to hear many have missed out on this release. The subscription is the only way to go. Less then 100 bucks for all releases, Bonus CD and free shipping. For me it's a must have. I'm a Deadhead Collector and also invest in the stock market. These releases are just like stocks, they will go up in value for sure. The first IPO is the subscription, available to everyone for a few months to buy, plenty of time. Then they are available again when a Vol. is released. This Vol. was red hot, went fast. If you miss twice, then you're out of luck. I always get a second subscription as an investment. I know many frown on this, buy hey, it's a solid investment. DP1 is going for up to 175 bucks. I bought a few extra copies of a Limited Edition Phish show years ago, sold them for over 100 each, solid investment.
I know Deadheads are all about sharing so I know the music will be spread around. Looking forward to next years releases.
Rumor says partial 4-18-70 is next. Dave: can you confirm?
Please, Please re-release
I heard it on the radio while washing the car, came back to check a few hours later and it was already sold out! How Can this be (was it an encore performance on SiriusXM on Sat Oct 12?)
I was born in the back seat of a greyhound bud rollin' down highway 41...went to school in UC Santa Cruz 83-87, went to over a hundred shows including summer tour '87...BCT shows wer always my favorite, but as an ATL native who has now returned to living in the ATL...must have Fox Theater, please share!