Spring 1990 (The Other One) Box
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•144-page paperback book with essays by Nicholas G. Meriwether and Blair Jackson
•A portfolio with three art prints by Jessica Dessner
• Replica ticket stubs and backstage passes for all eight shows
•8 complete shows on 23 discs
•3/14/90 Capital Centre, Landover, MD
•3/18/90 Civic Center, Hartford, CT
•3/21/90 Copps Coliseum, Hamilton, Ontario
•3/25/90 Knickerbocker Arena, Albany, NY
•3/28/90 Nassau Coliseum, Uniondale, NY
•3/29/90 Nassau Coliseum, Uniondale, NY (featuring Branford Marsalis)
•4/1/90 The Omni, Atlanta, GA
•4/3/90 The Omni, Atlanta, GA
Recorded by long-time Grateful Dead audio engineer John Cutler
Mixed from the master 24-track analog tapes by Jeffrey Norman at Bob Weir's TRI Studios
Mastered to HDCD specs by David Glasser
Original Art by Jessica Dessner
Individually Numbered, Limited Edition of 9,000
Announcing Spring 1990 (The Other One)
"If every concert tells a tale, then every tour writes an epic. Spring 1990 felt that way: an epic with more than its share of genius and drama, brilliance and tension. And that is why the rest of the music of that tour deserves this release, why the rest of those stories need to be heard." - Nicholas G. Meriwether
Some consider Spring 1990 the last great Grateful Dead tour. That it may be. In spite of outside difficulties and downsides, nothing could deter the Grateful Dead from crafting lightness from darkness. They were overwhelmingly triumphant in doing what they came to do, what they did best — forging powerful explorations in music. Yes, it was the music that would propel their legacy further, young fans joining the ranks with veteran Dead Heads, Jerry wondering "where do they keep coming from?" — a sentiment that still rings true today, a sentiment that offers up another opportunity for an exceptional release from a tour that serves as transcendental chapter in the Grateful Dead masterpiece.
With Spring 1990 (The Other One), you'll have the chance to explore another eight complete shows from this chapter, the band elevating their game to deliver inspired performances of concert staples (“Tennessee Jed” and “Sugar Magnolia”), exceptional covers (Dylan’s “When I Paint My Masterpiece” and the band’s last performance of the Beatles’ “Revolution”) and rare gems (the first “Loose Lucy” in 16 years) as well as many songs from Built To Last, which had been released the previous fall and would become the Dead’s final studio album. Also among the eight is one of the most sought-after shows in the Dead canon: the March, 29, 1990 show at Nassau Coliseum, where Grammy®-winning saxophonist Branford Marsalis sat in with the group. The entire second set is one continuous highlight, especially the breathtaking version of “Dark Star.”
For those of you who are keeping track, this release also marks a significant milestone as now, across the two Spring 1990 boxed sets, Dozin At The Knick, and Terrapin Limited, the entire spring tour of 1990 has been officially released, making it only the second Grateful Dead tour, after Europe 1972, to have that honor.
Now shipping, you'll want to order your copy soon as these beautiful boxes are going, going, gone...
Listening Party: 3/29/90, Nassau Coliseum With Branford Marsalis, Set 2
Enjoy the 2nd set of 3/29/90!
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I enjoy these differences of opinion, keeps the site interesting and entertaining. But remember folks, the content of our statements often times carry less weight than the WAY in which it is said. Arguing is fun, but should be respectful and creative, not childish and abusive.
Ahhh, I feel better now.
The irony is this:
-it is true, mid 80s shows are not equally represented as official releases.
-it is true, 11/17/1972 is a good show and will bring many of us joy.
Myself, can't wait to get Daves11! And if it was a show 1983, I would feel the same way.
I'm pretty easy to please when it comes to Dead music! And glad for it I suppose.
Seaside chat, any day now.
Love the burrito analogy, except of course Rhino is not deliberately making sickening burritos. They are just putting cheese in a few of them and some of us are lactose-intolerant. Personally, I enjoy cheese in moderation but on a typical day I prefer the vegan variety. It's all taste. Why is anyone trying to account for it?
I fully agree. The first set is the BOMB!
check your pm's please...
ps... totally psyched for you, Claney...
dig it when one of the best people on this thread get one of their personal
favourites of alltime... love that...
also, speaking of the Berkshires, lived in Charlemont for a year & a half about 15 yrs ago... moved from nyc... & went back fast!
BEAUTIFUL place, just a lil, ummm, slow for me...
had some amazing days fishing those rivers though, miss those days for sure...caught lotsa BIG, delicious trout :~]
I agree with a lot of these different opinions. And yes rhino is about making a profit here. But the bottom line is that for the most part they are releasing shows that are well recorded & Well sounding & well played. And as much as I would also like another Vince era mid 90's MPACE nails it when he concludes thin Sounding Phil, really bad digitally distorted metallic guitar tones, and bad midi. Listen to all furthur and other reincarnations of the modern Jerryless Dead, you can easily notice they have gone back to the warmer sounding, less processed instrument tones. So for nostalgiac reasons it would be nice for another late era release but there are still a lot of way better played and better sounding unreleased options from the 70's. So yes for the sake of representation and diversity Dave should seek out a great 80's or even 90's pick. Also, I think the first set from Dave's 78 rocks really hard. Give it a spin!
One potential (if admittedly imperfect) resolution to some of the expressed "era aggravation:" Dave could reveal each subscription's lineup before sales commence. Yes, this would require some planning. But so what? The only other reason to keep subscribers in the dark would be to bump sales to fans uninterested in all four shows.
While this doesn't resolve the underlying issue of era representation, it WOULD provide Dave with a better idea of true demand and allow uninterested Heads to "tune out" until their number comes up.
@ Chris Grand: Years, rather than lineups, seem to be the issue. But I think you know that. Funny, though... no one will call you a troll!
folks lamenting the lack of releases of a certain line up of the band, in a thread promoting the simultaneous release of EIGHT shows featuring that line up
Of course Rhino is in it for the money. What else would they be in it for? None of this would exist if they didn't make a profit. The 70s get more love from them because they sell better, simple as that. It is pointless to argue about which era is best. TPTB care about what is popular, just like all merchants. They are working inside a tight niche market and are managing their risks very well -- the success of their stewardship of the vault is testament to that. I think it's awesome. Who would have thought that this business model would succeed? I am amazed. And why does anyone thank Dave for "giving" us anything (other than 30 Days of Dead)? He is selling us stuff, not giving it, and that works great for everyone -- Dave, Rhino, and Heads.
While I'm here, can we stop calling people trolls? I don't think we hear from actual trolls on this site. Mary squashes them before they get published. People with opinions that don't match yours do not deserve the abuse they get around here.
"They sold these subscriptions for dave's picks and they all but sold out this time, so they can release what ever they please, even if it ain't that good, it's a captive audience and I for one feel let down again by the powers that be."
So by this "logic", Rhino is run by a bunch of sadists who derive pleasure from tricking mindless Deadheads into buying subscriptions, and releasing the opposite of what they want?
That's not a business model. It's also borderline insane to think it is a business model. It's also not sustainable. For example, if I started selling...oh, I dunno...burritos that weren't very good and gave people terrible gastroenteritis, eventually people would stop buying my terrible burritos and go to the stand next door (ie archive.org) that was giving away supposedly better burritos for free. You certainly wouldn't expect my burritos to sell out every day to the point where I was having to work longer and longer hours every day just to get the burritos out there.
And yet, all of the releases sell out...and the subscriptions increase every year.
I've had this conversation with others here before. No one cares if you really love 1986 Jerry and can't stand 1970. That's wonderful for you. Also, no one is saying that no one has the right to express an opinion. The problem is when people erroneously assume that Rhino/DL2/TBTB have some weird agenda to mess with Deadheads or release inferior product.
But anyways, this argument is old, tired, and boring. I think I'm going to start resisting the urge to engage. Some people might like that anyway.
(The Smiley face means nothing.)
unkle sam wrote: "So Dick wrote a note about the 11-17 show being off the hook, if it was so good, why was it not released before now? I'll tell you why, cause it's just not that good."
According to that logic, 3/29/90 is an even worse show, since it is being released *after** 11/17/72.
just listened to the bird song from 3-29-90, beautiful. Then I listened to the bird song from 11-17-72, not bad but really no comparison. Then I listened to the Dark Star from 3-29, wow. Then I listened to the other one from 11-17, once again, no comparison.
The 11-17 show has Donna singing that mussel shoals sound and I can't stand it, Sorry Donna but for me you did not fit in. So just go and listen to the two and you can hear the difference, one is a great show, almost perfect, the other is just ok, barely.
So Dick wrote a note about the 11-17 show being off the hook, if it was so good, why was it not released before now? I'll tell you why, cause it's just not that good. Think about it, 500 people in attendance, very laid back crowd and this is what you get, the dead sounding like they were just going thru the motions and trying to get thru another show. Once again it's just an opinion and my opinion is 3-29-90 is head over heels a better show.
What I see here is a total lack of respect for the later years the band performed, even when they themselves stated that after 25 years, it was like opening a bottle of fine wine. So I stand by my last post, 11-17-72, yawn, nothing here to really shout about, move along now.
There were a lot of great shows in the 80's and 90's, I saw a few myself, and the total dismissal of these shows says to me that rhino is in it for the money. They sold these subscriptions for dave's picks and they all but sold out this time, so they can release what ever they please, even if it ain't that good, it's a captive audience and I for one feel let down again by the powers that be.
After taking in a few of these recent comments, I've been compelled to quit lurking.
Why is it that anyone who disagrees with the majority here is branded either a "troll" or "too stupid to realize that the '70s were the Dead's peak years?" The counterargument seems pretty straightforward: other years are underrepresented, even given the quality differential. So why all the mob-like foot stomping?
There was really no need for the line "I realize that I likely just fed the troll" I love The Dead and would not waste my time here starting trouble.
I read a lot of comments here but hardly ever comment myself, and when I do I get your rude replies?
Look, I understand there are going to be more releases from certain years and era's than others, but the amount of official live material from the 80's (apart from '80 & '89) is very thin to the point of being ridiculous. Correct me if I am wrong but isn't there just one cd release from 1987? None from 1986 and 1984 and just one from 1985?
Releases from the prime Dead years will always form the bulk, and that is fine. Just do not like the fact that an era of Dead has been ignored for decades. Dick's Picks and Road Trips both went through all 4 decades the Dead were in and I hope David will do the same. D.P 17 (9.25.91) and D.P 27 (12.16.92) are also a taste of how great the 90's could be.
That's like complaining about eating or breathing. There is no way we'll ever get everything we want from these releases. The way I see it, these releases are shows I've neglected and should pay attention to. I didn't want a '78 Pick but got it. And you know what? I like it! Enjoy this stuff as it comes out. You could be a Doors fan who was promised a 10 CD set of outtakes from the band's last album only to have the release quietly cancelled, never to be heard from again. Trust me, it could be worse!
Everyone should head on over to the Archive for some 11/19/72 listening. Phil is especially prominent on this recording. And the little WRS jam after DS is a treat. Should prep you all nicely for DP 11.
Just saw CSN at Ravinia in Highland Park Il. Great concert!!! If they show up in your town, see them. OUTSTANDING!!!
Very happy about this pick! Great set list, playing, and era for recordings - what more could you ask for? I do hope in the future we get an 80s pick with some of the early versions of In The Dark tunes (early 80s) - but for now I am content to wait, especially with plenty of Brent being provided with the TOO box.
I think Dave has been very adventurous with his picks and the only pick that isn't as solid as I would like is the '78 pick but its true to the year and I think I will just have to go back and try it again.
Getting into the 90's is risky for me- I really like some of it but there are a lot of pitfalls - thin bass sound, guitars sounding too metal, midi (some is good, others not so much), electronic drums, calypso keys, bad vocals, missed lyrics - some of these negatives are in a lot of the eras but sometimes the later era playing could not make up for it.
Just my opinion to each his own- but is the call for more '90s based more on nostalgia or is it really for the playing - playing wise I just don't see how that version of the band could hold a candle to fall '72-'74.
Hoping for another '73 box in 2015 - Utica, Nassau, Boston run...
Before the belief is paraded that pre 80's is "the best" Dead, perhaps it's worth remembering the entire Spring '90 tour is now released. The best Grateful Dead? Any night they are on is the best Grateful Dead, IMO.
...if it doesn't have a Wizard of Oz or Superman/Smallville reference, I'll be surprised.
Methinks a tornado is in order....
Sometimes they go over the line but in general we should welcome them. I doubt Dave is offended, but, it will make him stronger eventually.
'Not to be a downer, but please folks. We hear ya that you want more 80's, more 90's and that you are subjected to way too much 70's and 60's. But Holy SHIT if you don't get the fact that these were the years that the Dead were in their peak you simply don't get it. Someone has to say it, but wake up. I get the fact that many caught their first show in the last half and want more releases from that era, but compared to the pre 80's this was lacking in so so many ways. Bobby likes to point out that the later years were tight, but it's simply not the case musically.
The releases are way too many for complainers and to see the 90's box release after the 90 a spring would make most thank their lucky stars the the PTB have heard you, bent over backwards and fulfilled your wildest dreams. But still the complaints continue. Thank God Dave is in charge, we have person who's first Dead experience is late Dead, has access to the entire history and as much as he would love to push his era, still gets the fact that pre 80's is the best of the best.
Love for all to be fulfilled, but if anything the Dead have done right, it's providing a proper history lesson of what they were and the material that represented their best efforts. Yes they had larger crowds in the later years, but those numbers never represented the best music they produced. For a clearer picture of that fact just check out the top selling albums in Rolling Stone each month, great #ers,rating, etc, pure garbage.
Give Dave Break and take what you like and avoid not your taste, not that hard.
Funny, the crowd at Archive may be older - and sometimes grumpier, though certainly not more factionalized - but they damn well know their Dead. Your post is hyperbolic to the point of fiction: "even though 68-77 is prime dead" and/or "the famous years", Dave has allegedly "taken the safe option most times" by selecting shows from this self-admittedly peak era. Oi vey. I realize that I likely just fed the troll, but c'mon.../K
Aussie Dead fan here. Anyone else not excited about the new Dave's Picks release? I just feel like he has taken the safe option most times. The man even started the series with a show from May '77.
1990 is my favourite year and even though 68-77 is prime Dead I would love to see some 80's releases. Dick's Picks 21 (11.1.85) kicks major ass. Awesome Dead.
Daves's Picks 7 & 8 were nice changes of pace (78 & 80) and I always welcome a 1969 album but I think he needs to lay off the famous years for a few releases. Road Trips Vol.2 No.4 Cal Expo '93 is sooo much fun to hear. Great release!
Some mid 80's Dead (not the safe 1989 option) or even some post 1990 Dead would be a nice change of pace. The Dick's Picks releases were great because chances were taken (just like the band)
Imagine this place go off if a 1994 release was coming...
Back in stock in the store.
Neb - wow, that sounds fantastic, can't wait to hear it. I'll be sending you something in return soon... Right you are about the PM, I basically never check that (not sure why). But I do check my email a lot - so that email address I sent you is a good way... Hopefully A/F will tour soon.. would love to see them (going to see White Denim in September, actually at a pretty small club in Western Mass, so pretty thrilled about that).
Sanfran - holy crap, really, you live in the Berkshires? Agreed about last March (and much of April for that matter) - especially since we were starting a farm. (Been a freaking gorgeous summer though). I'll send you a PM with my email (for reason stated above!)
Check your PM.
I bought 2 Dave's Picks subscriptions (one for my friend) and I always get the notice for each one at different times. You can ways log into the site and check on your order for reassurance, but if they sent them to you before you should be good.
Ok, so it's not Dave's 10, it's RT 1.3 (summer '71) & "24 of Hank Williams' Greatest Hits" --what could be better road music than that?
Yeah, I hadn't heard that 4/28 Dark Star in a long time, I remembered it being kind of short--was really delighted how rich it is.
Ok, I'm really running away from the 'puter now..... (anybody remember Deathlok?)
4/28 Dark Star is love!
A Box of 4/71 Fillmore East complete shows would get nothing but love from me! Probably impossible due to guest artists issues, but maybe it will be part of the 50th Year releases?
Heading out to an overnight musical jamboree in the forest. For driving soundtrack, will replace Ladies & Gentlemen (its Dark Star jam being perhaps TC's finest moment--perhaps tied with Caution jam from Dave's 10) with Dick's 36 (released 9 years ago, as opposed to Sunshine Daydream, released 1 year ago)...which itself boasts a fine He's Gone > Other One from 9-03-72 in anticipation of Dave's 11.
Maybe I'll pack Dave's 10 also, and Eric Dolphy's Out to Lunch.
Happy Saturday all...!
I can see the point of more variety. I can also see the point of being completely STOKED for fall 72!! :)
Any other subscribers not receive the e-mail about vol.11?
Another great week in DeadLand. Excited for the folks who are lovin the 90's Box. Personally it does nothing for me, but that's a stash of cash still in the BAccount, good for me. Dave 72 right up my ally, but still hear the folks wanting more from Dave in Diversity. Kick myself for not hearing about DAP's till about a year and 1/2 ago. Missed out on some great shows, especially Pauley P from 73. That year really amuses the S..... out of me. Let's be a Jazz band for a year, Brillant.
I've always been of the opinion that if the Dead had figured out a way to have gotten a lot of these releases in the Day they would have exploded. That might have been a bad thing, who knows. But remember Europe 72 3 record blowing people away that only casually liked the Dead.
We are so lucky that the dead spent the extra cash ( something they were very good at) to record a ton of stuff. They didn't fly the Grateful Dead Jet and surely didn't make much cash for most of their careers, had way too many on the payroll which for all intents kept them from caving to the record industry and kept going on their own path.
Claney, I also live in the Berks and am lucky to do so, except for this past March. Heading to Gathering in a couple weeks? If so give me a shout, I'll buy you a clean crisp Rollin Rock.
Yes...very well done, Zuckfun. Being the first to guess 11/17/72 was very impressive.
bolo24: I would also enjoy your breakdown of the clues, when you get a chance. The obvious hints were Sugaree, Box of Rain, Brokedown Palace Casey Jones and Johnny B Goode.
I know about the torrent option. I have have a few reasons why i haven't gotten into that world, but If I ever buy a new laptop I will.
There are some very kind people out there who make a practice of pulling torrent posts and then making that content available as D/Ls from free-access storage sites. I rely on these people's kindness for more than half the music I accrue each month. One of these people is currently engaged in posting every non-released Dead show from '69, but he is in the middle of relocating and so his internet access and time for this project has been extremely limited. He is still working through February (2/7 is a super-high quality sdbd of hot music!). My policy is to buy what is commercially released and happily D/L whatever I see that isn't commercially available.
Thanks for the suggestion. I hope other folks take your advice. Almost every concert you can think of was recorded by somebody (or the sdbd has slipped into fans' hands) and can be found as a torrent! You need plenty of free Hard Drive space and a willingness to allow remote access to your HD. If that is no problem for you, you are able to access 1000s of shows, Dead and otherwise!
My Dick Latvala signed Dick's Picks cd just arrived.. I could cry.
I wonder how many of the Spring 90 Too sets have sold. If there's any left in a couple weeks I may have to take the plunge. I would think if they were down significantly they would show it on the site. Tempting I must say. Reassuring knowing there will be digital format although still no word on individual shows.
Google "Bittorrent" and "etree.org"
I want more 80s/90s releases (God, I am SUCH a troll!). 70s releases are great too.
Dave's Picks are not enough!
Last year I suggested a series focussing on releasing the Charlie Miller remasters. I suggest it again. There are hundreds of well mastered soundboards that Charlie miller has worked on. GDM has blocked the downloading of these works from LMA. How about you and Charlie get together and make some money! The masters are ready, so that cost is eliminated.
Dave's Picks are not enough!
Disclaimer: I say this everytime I listen to a new Dead or Jerry release.
This GarciaLive Volume 4 might be my favorite so far. Great fat sound, great recording, nice vocals. How sweet it is indeed.
Writing you here since I know you don't often see PMs.... Just wanted you to know that I didn't make the P.O. here in my small town before they closed today, so your package will go out on Monday. Sorry for the delay, but it will be worth the wait! I'll be mailing you a treasure trove of live & rare AKAK -- a "freak-folk" soundtrack for psychedelic travels.
PS - ANYONE reading this who is interested in an Akron/Family sampler can PM me & I'll be happy to turn you on.
Great candid interview with Hunter!!! I'm excited for the Spring 90 and DaP 11. All good for me. May need to pick up disc only Europe 72 at some point. If only they'd release Fillmore 69 box I'd have every official release, which prob qualifies me for a diagnosis of some sort. I'm visiting beautiful Whidbey Island across the pond from Vancouver Island. I got the binoculars out but no DL sightings for the seaside chat!!!
these are high times indeed for the tribe
Bremen the other night blew my mind
a crispy fall 72 release on the way
spring 90 for those so inclined
the Branford show in all it's glory
bob, Phil, Mickey and bill still fanning the flame
And the 50th of dead on the horizon
I find all of this extraordinarily fortuitous and choose to let all of it make me happy
If you can't do that yourselves than I truly am sorry for you
PSA the fall 77 road trips still available is shipping with the bonus disc
Anyone wanting my extra copy of the main release hit me up on PM and I'll send it out to you
I got really bored so I just decided to rip up a 20 dollar bill.
Thank you for the inspiration.
Not one, but two posts about destroying something of value.
Yeah, we get it, you're a troller...congratulations.
Out of town for a wedding. I'll do a recap when I get back for those who care. I don't remember everything I said, so I'll have to go back and look at my posts.
By the way, kudos to Zuckfun - he's the first one to go on record with the correct guess.
Agree with the comment above that this was a great show. I was there, I loved it.
DL2 has been very transparent about the entire process. The stated mission is to release shows that
a. are well-played
b. sound great
c. are complete
d. not from 1994 and 1995, as the band has squashed those.
He has never stated that the archival series was meant to be representative of their career. It's to bring us the best shows that sound the best.
With those stated criteria, there should be no surprise that the majority of releases are from 1968-1978 (as they have always been; more than 70% of Dick's Picks and Road Trips are also from this time period). DL2 has been very clear that the sound quality of tapes drops off precipitously once you get in to the early 80s. This is also reflected by the shows that have been released. DP13, DP32, DP6, and DP21, while good shows, are amongst the worst-sounding releases in the catalog (The 82 RT is a bit better). Sometimes the quality of the performance can overcome the poor recording quality, sometimes it cannot. I think the fact that 1979, 1980, 1989, and 1990 are well-represented shows that DL2 doesn't have an anti-Brent bias. Rather, there happen to be well-recorded shows from these years, and they've been released. 1990 in particular, is more represented than any other GD year excepting 1972.
Prior to 1980, there just happen to be a higher proportion of well-played shows and a higher proportion of well-recorded shows. That's all.
Aside from the special releases (SSDD and E72 - and can you really complain about those releases?) no show from 72 has seen the light of day since Dicks Picks 36 back in 2005. It was not represented in the Road Trips Series nor in Dave's so far. In terms of subscriptions and regular programming, we haven't seen 72 for nine years. Considering the level of play and the quality of these recordings, where's the beef? Since RT started, we've seen as much 93 as 72.
And at the risk of poking a bear with a stick, we've been over saturated with the 80s in the last ten years. That and all that terrible 69 and 74. It's so frustrating as a fan that they were so well recorded, so creative and consistently on fire during those years.
So please no more 80s and 90s unless it is a great show with great playing and recorded well. And I hope I don't have to wait another 9 years for another 72 show in the series (please sometime before DaP 47!)