Dave's Picks 2014 - Subscription No Longer Available - Volume 9 Coming Soon
It’s that time of year, when the Dave’s Picks subscriptions for 2014 go on sale. In 2012, the series was limited to 12,000 units of each release. Last year, we increased that to 13,000. And for 2014, you guessed it, each Dave’s Pick will be limited to 14,000 units. And just as all releases in 2012 and 2013 sold out, quickly, we expect the same in 2014, particularly with the quality of music we have planned for release. The only way to ensure you’ll receive all four releases in 2014 is to subscribe.
For those of you who can't stand the suspense, news has come in about Dave's Picks Vol. 9, the first of our four releases for next year. We're very pleased to revisit the Wall Of Sound era, with a complete show that took place on May 14, 1974, at Adams Field House at the University of Montana in Missoula, the Grateful Dead's only appearance in the state of oro y plata. This monstrously hot show is the third official show of the Wall Of Sound, which had debuted in March 1974. (You can find more details about this show in the 2013 Almanac.)
Although we haven’t mapped things out too far beyond Dave’s Picks Vol. 9, further digging through a batch of tapes returned to us in 2012 revealed more than we expected, so you in turn can plan on something excellent from the 1969-1971 era, likely something you’ve never heard. We spend months working on each and every release to make sure it’ll be something that you’ll happily hear again and again, and we’ve already got some great ideas in mind for the four releases in 2014.
Show specifics aside, no matter how you slice it, Dave’s Picks subscribers get the very best deal – four spectacular limited-edition numbered releases, free domestic shipping, and a stellar bonus disc that will arrive with Volume 10, in May 2014. The last two bonus discs have proven immensely popular, so naturally we’ll have another cool, interesting, exciting and rare treat for you in 2014.
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Can anyone say Spring 1990 box vol. 2 for Spring box set release?!
We get the Family Dog show to satisfy those who like to hear something really different and novel.
Who knows what will be in store for a Spring box set that will come on the heels of DaP 9.
And more of the lost 69-71 stuff!!!
Okay, I'm done with my pep rally.
Also, the releases I felt luke warm about when announced are nice when I tire of listening to my favorite releases. They all have a welcome place in my collection.
You will have to cancel current card to order a new one early, leaving you without a card for 3-7 days.
However, if the card expires in December, you should get a new one some time in November, and you have until the 27th of November to subscribe early with discounts, etc.
Yeah, more diversity would be great, early-mid eighties, more 67-69. But, I am pleased with this release. I remember a great track from this show during last year's 30 Days of Dead, so I am excited. If I had to pick the era for DaP 9, I would probably pick something else. But I am sure this show will be a nice addition, and I will enjoy it.
I am looking forward to DaP 8, and the Family Dog, and 30 Days of Dead. This will be a great November!
So yeah I just tried to order the subscription and since my card happens to expire in December I got a message saying "card expires before the shipping date use another card." I don't have another card. Anybody know how to get around this problem? I mean I'll be sent my next card sometime in December but that's after the subscription price goes up. Can I go to my bank and get another card sooner? Sorry for the non-music related post.
Glad you'd be fine. I wouldn't. Dave and countless others also continue to say that 80's shows recordings are hit and miss (more missing), probably a combo of technology and Healy attention. The mid 80's shows delivered less frequently as well in my and a lot of Heads opinions. So a combination of the band being ON and the tape hitting are less likely to produce a Pick. Dave is a deadhead, and in charge of the vault, he is going to play favs of course, but like I said earlier, we have a 80's show coming and we just got the 90 box. Relax bro.
keep em coming! I have them all-some I like a lot, some a little and some not so much. And, my opinions change over time as to those categories. Variety? yes, always a good idea, unique performances that have historical or other value-sure, the ones that seem to resonate-yes, all eras-yes. But as others have pointed out-we have the luxury of debate because there is in fact something going on to debate. If it all stopped-I, for one, would be very disappointed.
How about uploading some preview tunes. Also we should get a notice on DV Pk #10 prior to subscription close, and bonus disc....last year it was announced in January...would be nice to get an earlier indication.
70's , 80's, 90's all good, patience will be rewarded.
.... hope will see light of day at some point.
PFox is a bored, hateful little troll who probably still lives in his parents' basement. He routinely paints the larger listening audience in broad strokes based on misinformed assumptions and stereotypes, as this is one of his few remaining sources of self-esteem.
Ad hominem attack or factual description? Your call. But if we simply ignored him (and others of like negativity), this forum would be a whole lot better. We can agree to disagree with civility. I'm starting as of now.
If the releases stopped, I'd be fine. We've already got more releases than any of us ever dreamed we'd have. My ongoing point, once again, is that if they're GOING to continue, and there ARE going to be so many, then all eras should be represented.
If you read between the lines of some of Dave's statements, he does imply less personal love for the mid-80's. In one of the recent films (maybe Dick's 8), he talked about some good music being played, but not really interesting music. In the Dick's 8 film, he also talked about how the '80 Bird Songs didn't yet hint at the great long versions of '89-'90. Well, no versions were greater or longer than '84-'86...in fact, those Bird Songs were more open-ended and therefore more exploratory. But Dave doesn't seem to agree. Dick was a 70's guy through and through, his "favorite decade" was often mentioned--and yet he released an '83 and an '85 because people wanted them.
If the band members have actually put a ban on mid-80's, come out and say so and we'll stop hoping. And I'll stop complaining. No, I'm not ashamed. I've been buying releases for 20 years now. I'm still here while many buying Heads have long since left (hence the limited releases). My opinion counts. (Or doesn't, but there it is.)
And I'll say again, I LOVE this '74 show. Very deep jams, there couldn't be a better pick from 1974.
(p.s. Dr Shakedown, your idea that the Spring '90 box "quenched our thirst" for the "Brent era" is simply insulting, even to the band. As if they were artistically stagnant for the whole decade, and '80, '90 and everything in between is interchangeable.)
It seems to me that folks believe Dave is the only one making decisions about releases and that the band is being disrespected because of lack of 80s material available. But from what I understand, the band, and especially Phil, has been reluctant to release music that they see as subpar. Dave still meets with the band and hears their input. I would like to see a little more diversity of eras represented, but why don't we focus on the positive? What we ARE getting are great sounding archival releases with phenomenal playing, artwork, photos, and brillian liner notes for less than $10 a CD. Shouldn't we be ashamed to complain about that? Don't want it? Don't buy it. The negativity makes me want to stay off of these boards.
No one is saying you have to love the "last 15 years of the Grateful Dead"....personally I cant understand how anyone could not like years 1980-1991 ?!?! The point is that TPTB have WAY OVERDONE, OVER SATURATED releases from the 1970s...the band was about diversity, just like their music year releases should be. 1970-1978 WERE CERTAINLY not the only years the band played....and who cares what the band may have sounded like in 1984, 1986, or 1994 even. Personally, I think most of the shows released from 1969-1978 sound thin, distant, and dull sounding - probably because they recorded 30-40 years ago on tape reels with inferior equipment vs. DAT....so we all have opinions
To see the reaction of some if this flow of music stopped. Think about it.
*Fish are risin' up like birds
*Corns a bumper crop
This is the greatest thing ever, for the greatest band and fans ever.
........and BTW, the 1990 box set should have quenched some of the thirst for Mydland era shows, not to mention DP Vol.8 we haven't received yet.
i'm jubilant about DaP9
i miss jerry
i dislike the last 15 years of the band's shows
if that bothers you, that's a you problem
take it up with your congressman
Cosmic badger, I agree - I've long enjoyed the reviews (and era breakdowns) of that site. Dave sort of makes this point in his latest video (defining eras by band member configurations).
PFox, I am one of those who is "jubilant" about this release (and RSD and the returned late sixties tapes and and and and). You wrote that those of us who are jubilant "make you sick" and that our comments are "stupid." Then when someone countered that, you pointed out that your post was "your most articulated in weeks," whereas that person was just "attacking you." So, calling people stupid is not an attack, it is being articulate?
Also as usual you create a straw man argument. Seems to me that many of us who are happy with the release have also, repeatedly, pointed out that we also like 80's shows. I've said many times I would love an 84 show, especially if they can matrix it. I also frequently (see current Taper's Section comments) tout my love of 82. This is not a zero sum thing - it is possible to be excited about a great 74 show and still love the 80s too...
Just being pedantic here, but I am not sure categorisation by decades tells us much. If you want to do this analysis, why not by 'eras'. I think the eras used in the following site are the most useful and relevant
Nice work here on the release breakdowns. I prefer to think of the pre-hiatus period as one long golden age. Looking at it that way, the pattern of releases has been really consistent since Dicks Picks began 20 years ago. Just looking at the release series DP, downloads, RT, DaP: out of 74 releases, about 50% are pre-hiatus, 25% post-hiatus Keith, and the remaining 25% are Brent and post-Brent. That seems pretty fair to me. I'm super happy with this Montana pick. Dave's Pick 2 was nice, but too light on jams for 74. Now we get a PITB and Dark Star. I also think something from 75 or summer 73 is long overdue. I have a suspicion that maybe these potential picks are being held back for possible box set treatment (wishful thinking?).
Jason Wilder recently put up a very nicely detailed breakdown here regarding the number of live releases by decade, but since that doesn't actually represent the amount of music on those releases, I have put together my timings for all of the officially released live material to come out of the vault. Everything from the first, One From the Vault, to the most recent, Sunshine Daydream, including all the compilations and bonus material, while excluding anything duplicated, or anything that was only available as a download, or only released as video.
1960s: 36 hours
1970s: 308 hours
1980s: 51 hours
1990s: 49 hours
Make of it what you will. Yes, I do enjoy the great stuff from the 80s, and this obviously shows things even more skewed to the 70s, but I have no complaints, since each and every one of them is a wonderfully unique experience. Bolo24 is right. Way too much music. I hate it. And I also can't wait to hear Missoula, Montana, May 14, 1974.
i can't speak for everyone, but for me its not about getting shows i attended. i couldn't care less. although, i was at the three rivers show (view volume 1), and i thought it was cool they released a partial show, recorded a few hours after i was born as a bonus disc.
for me its all about getting new songs & new sounds. many of my favorite releases are keith era shows, but i just want to hear some new stuff. its as simple as that. i really don't understand why this is so difficult for dave to understand.
There's a Dark Star for dangs sake! I'm not complaining. It would be nice to see the first show I ever heard when I was dosed released. Silva Hall in Eugene 5/8/84. Doubtful, but one can hope right? That tape that played as I was tripping balls on a road trip through the mountains of Nevada got me on the bus and kept me there. Kim Blanchard and Hoey Crain, if you guys are out there somewhere, thanks guys!! It's all your fault.
You're losing me, Zuckfun. C'mon, you can do better than that!
Every person is different, that's really my point. To say women or men usually are whatever is to discount the nature of the individual. We have fingerprints for a reason.
Well, in my experience, this is usually the case. Although there are obviously exceptions, I did say "usually". What is the last atrocity imposed on humanity that was committed by a woman, or women's orders? I apologize if you perceived my comment as an offensive generalization. But hey, it's fucken true!
Hmmm, stereotypes... well, you're obviously a Sensitive New Age type, so I'll leave it at that.
I can't believe some of the stuff I am reading.
Dave and Co....you guys just keep doing what you're doing.
I will never be disappointed with any of the releases with regard to era, quality, frequency of releases. All non-issues and I will continue to fork out $ for every one.
Many of us jumped on the bus at different times and it's only human nature to gravitate towards the shows that resonate within us.
I'll get every single one just like I would have gone to every single show if I could have. I threw my mic's up and recorded virtually every show I went to...so I have no qualms with the sound fidelity of the releases.
I just to offer my sincere thanks for all the effort you folks are putting in to offer us this labor of love and this goes down to the art, graphic design, the packaging, fulfillment. It's 'crafted' and it shows. Keep 'em coming.
Are ladies usually more sensitive and well mannered? Any more stereotypes to share with us this evening, or is two enough?
I assume you are a gentleman, as ladies are usually more sensitive and well-mannered than you present yourself with your various posts.
But, I agree: I wish the boys were still touring... I miss Jerry.
And yes, I'm grateful for these sixties/seventies releases, too.
Let's hope for plenty more.
you should see a charge in late january before the first volume of the year ships.
one more point i'd like to make:
whole shows are nice, but i'd rather have all meat than filler. if a show doesn't completely kick ass there is no shame in splicing it up, and adding it to other partials in order to create a great release.
you could make the argument dick's picks 12 is the best release of that series, and its not a whole show.
This will be my first year of a DP subscription, I understand that there will be a pre-authorization on my card when I order, but when is the actual 99.99 charged to me? when the first set ships on Feb? or right away? any help?
...sure makes me long for the good old days. When we were blessed to get a new GD release every year or so. Or, in the 80's, every 6 years. It might be a live compilation of good tunes from a few concerts, or a mediocre to decent studio effort. I loved driving to the record store to buy my copy.
Now there's just too much. This year alone - 4 DP's , the epic Veneta concert, 5 great May shows, some nice Jerry stuff, a rare acoustic show coming, free music every day in November. All delivered to our mailboxes or computers.
Way too much music. I hate it.
...I wish this had been Dave's 2, and Dave's 9 was mid-80's (THREE releases EVER between 1983->1987. Not three Dick's, not three Road Trips. Three RELEASES....EVER.)
This '74 show is sweet enough that it might entice me, even with my great soundboard of the meat of it. Well worthy of release. But, man, the original advert for the Dave's series showed a '75, an '84, and an '87. It really is starting to feel as if that "sky's the limit" promise was false advertising. You can accuse some of us of "negative vibes," but the fact is, this buying community is very small now--hence the limited releases. Many of us keep hoping every year--like the Great Pumpkin--for that mid-80's release just around the corner. Year in and year out, Road Trips subscriptions, Dave's subscriptions...it just doesn't come.
Hoping the next lost-stash release is that '69 with the crazy-Phil Dark Star Dave's been telling us about, over a '71. Yes, of course I love the old stuff...who doesn't? Would really like to see a '68,and I second an early '73 (Dick's 28,the only non-Fall'73 ever released, is one of my count-on-one-hand favorite releases ever).
I can also appreciate the basic point Fox made. Wonder who would've said to Jerry or Billy after an '85 or '87 show, "alright show, man, but you guys haven't played any shows worth recording since 12 years ago. And, really, nothing even good since five years ago." I think, nobody. And not just because it would've been rude--but because it's simply untrue. They were still creating vital music.
...and thats what? about 125 or so official releases. and the band played about 2300 shows, right?
I know there are plenty of shows missing from the vault but we've got plenty more coming...from each decade. I know Ill be patient as long as I have PFox to keep it interesting along the way.
To anyone else or whoever. Dave has stated multiple times that a lot of what is missing from the vault are 80's shows and the ones they do have don't sound very good (low bass, or no bobby, etc.) And we probably won't be seeing anything from 93-95 anytime soon. The band played a lot of good shows in the 70's and those old tapes sound friggin great...at least to my ears.
I find it quite amazing how much negativity and rambling is taking place on this board. Although I'm a new Head and my collection at this moment is laughable I will gladly open my wallet, my arms and my ears to what Dave and Round Records offers to me. This is a discussion board I believe about the creative genius that is the Grateful dead and how it has affected our lives similarly yet with different experiences. It has not been 12 hours and most of the comments have turned elementary, with severe lack of frontal lobe development. Be grateful, these releases I'm sure don't have to happen. I hope I haven't stepped on anyone's feet.
I really dig 74, pretty excited
Hoping for a release with bruce somewhere in the mix
Sorry to read the negative vibes here. I'm happy with this release, because there aren't enough full shows from '74 out there, and I find myself listening to complete shows more than partial ones. I'd like to see more late Brent era released, since that's when I started going to shows and the band had a fiery, fully-developed sound, but I listen to early Brent era less than any other. Bob's slide just seriously grates on my eardrums. It's all personal taste, of course. If we were fans of just about any other band, we'd be thrilled at all of the archival releases. Problem is, this isn't any other band. Keep on rockin' -- I placed my subscription and Family Dog orders!
even though i'm not a big fan of the "limited edition" aspect. we got 5 good shows, including a partial show and one full show that had never been heard, in 2013. then in 2014, we'll get 5 more with a hint of possibly more unheard music. and of course, there's the early bird discount & free shipping.
seems like an easy decision... ordered.
just like i said wilfredt, can't buy it if they don't sell it ;)
Look, I'm a relative youngster, so I couldn't see any live Dead in the 1970's, too young. But I think an objective person would have to admit there is FAR more great material in the 1970's than in the 1980s. And of the 1980's stuff, 1989 is the best year, and the releases reflect that. Some very good stuff in 1980, some in 1985 and again in 1988. I think 1987 gets shafted the most, but I agree a full release from 1984 would be friggin' nice. '84 and '87 need represented, though 87 does have a full video release.
Having said that, I think there as got to be some good 1987, 1984, or 1988 stuff we can mine. Kudos for the 1980 show in Dave Pick's #8, haven't got it yet but it looks hot.
FWIW, my count of the LIVE releases, not including bonus discs, counting the main course of the release (Live albums, Vaults, Dicks and Daves, RT, DDlds, etc)
Live Albums (13 counting Anthem)
1960s: 4 (Anthem + Live/Dead, Vintage Dead, Historic Dead)
1970s: 4 (Skull & Roses, Europe, Bear's Choice, Steal Your Face)
1980s: 4 (Reckoing, Dead Set, Dylan & The Dead, half of W/out a Net and Infrared)
1990s: 1 (Half of Without a Net and Infrared)
1960s: 1 (Two From)
1970s: 2 (One From, Three From)
1980s: 1 (View 4)
1990s: 3 (Views 1-3)
1960s: 3 (16, 22, 26)
1970s: 26 (1-5, 7-8, 10-12, 14-15, 18-20, 23-25, 28-31, 33-36)
1980s: 4 (6, 13, 21, 32)
1990s: 3 (9, 17, 27)
Digital D's (15)
1960s: 2 (6, 12)
1970s: 9 (1-4, 8, Family Dog GH, 10, + both RT Full Shows)
1980s: 3 (5, 7, 9)
1990s: 1 (11)
Road Trips (17)
1960s: 2 (Vol 2 #2, Vol 4 #1)
1970s: 10 (Vol 1 #1-4, Vol 2 #3, Vol 3 #1-3, Vol 4 #3 & #5)
1980s: 3 (Vol 3 #4, Vol 4 #2 & #4)
1990s: 2 (Vol 2 #1 & #4)
1960s: 0.5 (half of 6)
1970s: 7.5 (1-5, half of 6, 7, 9)
1980s: 1 (8)
Everything Else (28)
1960s: 4 (Fillmore E 69, Birth, Rare Cuts, Fillmore W Complete Rec)
1970s: 16 (Hundred Year, L&G tGD, Steppin Out/England, Closing W'land, Rhine, GD MoveStrack, -----------Cow Palace, Winterland '73, Cradle, Harford '77, Winterland '77, Europe '72, -----------Winterland '71, May '77, SSDD, Family Dog)
1980s: 4 (Nighfall of Ds, Truckin' Buffalo, Crimson White & Indigo, Warlocks,
1990s: 4 (Dozin, Terrapin Ltd, Nassau, Spring '90)
Totals so far (excluding stand alone videos and releases with a lot of years on them - Fallout, So Many Roads, Grayfolded, Postcards):
I think the overall distribution is pretty spot on.
I promised not to mention this again, but anyways. The sound of Spring 1990 irritates me. That warm fatiguing sound of this box set. The two-track tapes were used when each show was recorded on a superior medium. I say this not to try and change the past, but because Spring of 1990 part 2 will come. Please use the multi-track tapes next time.
I'm happy to have the opportunity to get these musical time capsules sent back to us in a cd bottle for replay. Hopefully, 2014 will offer a nice variety to satisfy us all.
As for the Free Shipping on the Dave's Picks Subscription: as evgraham posted, the shipping charge is listed, but is then subtracted from your final cost at checkout. At least that's how it worked for my order. No worries. But I did discover that if you call Customer Service to place your order, they will charge $5.95 or $6.95 shipping. !!! So, no thanks. I took my chances on-line & it worked wonderfully. No shipping charge through Dead.net...> $99.98 Total Cost charged.
Looking forward to the music.
I saw the Dead 3 times; the 3 nights in London in 1990. Truly wonderful and mind blowing.
However, CDs at home have to go up against Thelonious Monk, Haydn, Beethoven and The Fall. There is no way that multiple '80s and '90s releases from the Vault can compete on those grounds. '68 - '74 releases on the other hand hold up repeatedly and very nicely :-)In fact, the Dead in that era hold up against any music I've ever heard.
Release the 90s Wembley shows? Lovely for me, but no where near as essential as just about anything from '69 - '74.
Someone mentioned that our cards won't be charged until Feb. when the first pick ships, is that right? Can't remember how it worked the last couple years but it would be nice not to have to explain to my wife about the money I just spent on CDs after all the good releases I've bought already this year :)
Somebody used the word "jubilated" to describe how many of us feel about DaP9 and right on, that's a good way to describe it. Really happy to know this is coming in a few months. I understand the desire for more 80s, I don't agree, but I understand. Still, there's a good chance that another Brent era show will be among DaP2014. It makes sense to try to lure subscribers with a show from the Dead's most popular era, mention that a rarity is coming also (69-71)and then release a show from a less popular era later in the year like they did this year.
I'm looking forward to another show from the newly found 1969 to 1971 stash. I vote for a 1971 show. 1971 is one of my favorite years, especially the Pigpen ones. Something from the February Port Chester run would be awesome!!
Butte-tiful pick, Dave!
The Montana wall show !!!!!!
funny, that last post is probably the most articulated statement i've made in weeks.
i guess if you can't debate... attack!
PF: he's rooting for a Brent show, ok there were some good ones. Enough said. I think all of us here love the band, no matter what we want to come out of the vault. But may I say from a bunch of us at least: thanks for the putdown! You're the best. At something, I guess. May you get up and fly away.
Hey all, long time listener, first time caller..... Just curious, I missed several years of Dave's Picks. Anyone know if there's been any buzz of them being available on iTunes someday? I know they state never again released on compact disc, so I'm hoping it means other formats later. Thoughts? I'm bummed I missed the Spring box set as well. I don't use the computer much and missed so many release here. I'm still stuck on Dicks Picks and tapes.
If anyone wants to sell any of these please let me know.
i really didn't want to stir the pot, but its hard to read some of the comments, and stay silent.
its bad enough we're going right back to the '70s after one '80s release, but when i read how jubilated some fans are to be getting more of the same, it really makes me sick. these are the same people who post crap like: "wish the boys were still on tour", "i miss jerry!", or some other equally stupid comment.
the truth is; if you don't like the last 15 years of the grateful dead, you don't like the band, so stop crying over the fact that jerry isn't alive, or the band isn't touring, because it really doesn't matter. you wouldn't be supporting them today anyway. you'd just be an older more bitter head, telling all of us who didn't get to see the band in the '70s, how much we missed out.
There is a reason that the 70s is the most represented decade. I, for one, am thrilled that this is the case. That said, I just think the 1974 soundboards sound "tinny"/thin - and for that reason I'm a BIT bummed about the DaP 9 announcement. However, I can't wait for the "lost tapes" to be released next year.
I got my subscription ordered. It deducted the shipping charge on the last screen (where you confirm your order).
And the Family Dog acoustic show from 1970 on Record Store Day - are you kidding me? There has never been a better time to be a Head (at least not since July 1995).
Why not a boxset with Greek Shows or Chinese New Years from the 80s
I am tired of the 70s stuff !!