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Dave's Picks Volume 10: Thelma, Los Angeles, CA 12/12/69 - SOLD OUT

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The last of a three-night run at a mysterious little club called "Thelma" found the Grateful Dead restoring glory to the Sunset Strip for what was once just a fleeting moment, now preserved for eternity with this here Dave's Picks Volume 10. Hot off the release of the highly-acclaimed Live/Dead and setting the stage for Workingman's Dead, 12/12/69 stands to represent the crux of the band's musical past, present, and future. Witness the first signs of country, folk, and Americana infiltrating an otherwise wildly experimental and anarchic period, evidenced by Pigpen-driven classics like "I'm A King Bee," "Hard To Handle," "Good Lovin'" and a whopping 30 minute+ version of "Turn On Your Lovelight," as well as over a half dozen then-new compositions which show the Garcia/Hunter songwriting duo elevating the Dead to higher ground. Thelma turns the heat up indeed!

Mastered in HDCD from the original soundboard recordings produced by Owsley Stanley, featuring the once lost, now found first reel, this is one full show you won't want to miss. Pre-order it here and now!

Product Details

3 Disc set
Limited to 14,000 individually numbered copies
Mastered to HDCD specs by Jeffrey Norman
Digipak made of 100% recycled and PCW materials
Release Date: May 1, 2014

Listening Party

12/12/69, Los Angeles, CA


"Easy Wind"

"Cumberland Blues"

David Lemieux Volume 10 Seaside Chat

Tracklist

Thelma, Los Angeles, CA 12/12/69

Disc 1
1. Cold Rain And Snow (5:53)
2. Me And My Uncle (4:05)
3. Easy Wind (9:33)
4. Cumberland Blues (7:39)
5. Black Peter (12:19)
6. Next Time You See Me (5:43)
7. China Cat Sunflower (5:19)
8. I Know You Rider (5:55)

Disc 2
1. Turn On Your Lovelight (31:57)
2. Hard To Handle (4:40)
3. Casey Jones (4:55)
4. Mama Tried (2:37)
5. High Time (7:34)
6. Dire Wolf (4:51
7. Good Lovin’ (6:18)
8. I’m A King Bee (7:44)

Disc 3
1. Uncle John’s Band (8:39)
2. He Was A Friend Of Mine (4:13)
3. Alligator (4:08)
4. Drums (7:00)
5. Alligator (9:15)
6. Caution (Do Not Stop On Tracks) (22:43)
7. Feedback (7:11)
8. And We Bid You Goodnight (3:27)

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Seth

Surely you jest when you say, "Pity Dave never almost never releases what I really want (68-71 [72 IS great, but I have ENOUGH!], 76-85, 91-95"

By my count, seven of the eleven DaP have been from the years you mention . . .

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Boxed In

It kind of seems fitting to release something from '72 since they just did Bremen and can't release the video. That being said, regardless of the sound quality and overall performance, as a subscriber I'm looking for volume 12 to be something from outside of the box. Something un-ordinary. Meaning, I really want to be surprised. Speculation-plenty. Clues-none.

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For those who are fuming- Lighten up, folks, it's (mostly) good

Indeed it's '72. My favorite era is '69-'74, followed by the early 80's (mostly when I saw them), but I already have so many Dead.net releases from '72 that I'm a little disappointed- would have preferred another '69-'71, or '74, or '82-'85. Still, haven't really heard the show, so I expect it's a good one- I've generally been pleased by the selections.
On a larger note, though, for those upset by the choice, the "rules of the game" are clear- when you subscribe, it's a crapshoot as to show choices. Dave emphasizes in his videos and elsewhere that it's all about what's considered "good shows" (and good recordings) for release and NOT about balancing eras- caveat emptor, you've been WARNED before getting a subscription- balance or satisfaction is NOT guaranteed. I'd love love love some good shows from the early 80s (would especially like 9/21/82 or 4/17/83, check 'em out!), but given what's been said about sonically-flawed soundboards from that era, I don't expect we'll ever get much-if ANY- of that in these releases. As others have said, with tons of soundboards, great audience tapes, and even-better matrix tapes out there, the only thing lacking for those who want later shows is somewhat better fidelity and some nice packaging- not a big loss! This is not a participatory democracy we're engaging with, it's a business- and the profit and aesthetic motives here have given us some really good stuff.
I think however one feels about the gaps in the releases by era that it's worth being grateful that there have been so many good ones- y'know, if Owsley hadn't been there in the early days, or Cantor-Jackson, or the band was a bit more uptight, there might have been hardly any reels/tapes for releases, or ones that didn't sound as good, much less the quality and quantity over at archive.org and elsewhere for free. Overall, you could say that the glass is mostly full, but nothing's perfect and satisfaction is never a guarantee.

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Thanks Chris Grand

Your point about first WRSPrelude is the first help I've gotten in getting excited for my 28th '72 show.
Yes, I bought the initial edition of the E72 Box because GDM scared me into thinking it was my only chance to get the E72 shows I wanted. Just like I will purchase another DaP sub out of fear of missing some shows I really want.
Pity Dave never almost never releases what I really want (68-71 [72 IS great, but I have ENOUGH!], 76-85, 91-95 [yes, there is enough 89/90 out now]. The only DaPs that I've been excited by (I have almost 300 Dead shows) have been 3,6, and 10. I wish there was a way the next DaP sub offer could actually inform us information on what our $100 will be buying.
I don't want GDM to stop releasing 72-74 & 89/90. I just want them to balance the historical record as represented by releases first. After we have a full representation of the band's history, then they should concentrate on the rest of the best.
I am much happier that I have bought 28 '72s than I would be if I bought 28 '86s, but I would like 1 '86 for my shelf (just 1 is fine, 2 might be too many!)
Hope DaP12 will be exciting for me. For all of you who are excited by this one: Enjoy!

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Great choice, Dave

LaRussa will be happy.

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Dave's Picks Volume 11 setlist from archive.org

Promised Land, Sugaree, Me & My Uncle, Tennessee Jed, B.T. Wind, Birdsong, Jack Straw, Box of Rain, Don't Ease Me In, Beat It On Down The Line, Brown Eyed Women, Big River, China Cat Sunflower-> I Know You Rider, Around & Around, Casey Jones Cumberland Blues, El Paso, Uncle John's Band, He's Gone-> Truckin'-> The Other One, Brokedown Palace, Sugar Magnolia, Uncle John's Band, E: Johnny B. Goode

The other list I posted is from dead.net

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Sorry, but it is...

...kind of BS as jpreston said. Latvala had a much more thorough respect and appreciation for the Grateful Dead's whole body of work. You can't argue against the evidence.

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Email confirm! Received 1:32 PM EST

HEY NOW! It seems I was following the same track, BOLO! LOL! More importantly, I was glad to have just called again, a few minutes back, and have been assured they will ship to my new addy. According to 'sweet' Marilyn, on the phone "They've already been re-stickered." Grateful to have been RESTICKERED!

GRATEFUL to: Mike Lai for putting it out there!

https://archive.org/details/gd1972-11-17.sbd.lai.1185.shnf

This is a rare release as.....does anyone have the complete set list? Were there only 500 people at the show. I mean, I did read that? That, is hard to believe.

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Outstanding!

As a head with a substantial "pre-hiatus bias" - and a native Kansan - I am absolutely thrilled with this release!

Killer show.

Soundboard has a cut in the line "Jack Straw from Wichita cut his buddy down". I always thought that sucked.

Bring-on the restored show!

Thanks DL!

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Dave's Picks Volume 11 Setlist

Beat it on Down the Line
Brown Eyed Women
Big River
China Cat Sunflower
I Know You Rider
Around and Around
Casey Jones

Cumberland Blues
El Paso
Uncle John's Band
He's Gone
Truckin'
The Other One
Brokedown Palace
Sugar Magnolia
Uncle John's Band

Johnny B. Goode

Waiting with baited breath for the
Seaside Chat With Dave
Re: DaP 11
Bring back the outro stealie cup

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@gusmozart

I think you might have missed my sarcasm :-)

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"Double post"

Right after posting I read that all over the world people received the same mail. Probably no spam then...

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1972 (bingo!)

Can't wait to hear it.

Yes they've released a ton of '72, but they are concentrated - and there's a 5 month gap between the 9/27/72 and 2/26/73 releases. The Dead turned a major corner in that time period from blues/ragtime rock band to jazzy rock band. This show is the first release in that 5-month transition period - no PigPen songs - just the remaining 5 (+ Donna) soldiering on at a time where it probably seemed like he would;t be back

3 months after this show they would blow minds by breaking out HC Sunshine and Eyes o/t World. I'm sure Pig's health was on their minds, as was the thought that 'if he ain't coming back we need to figure out direction that'll be". Listening to 11/19/72 now, the music certainly seems thoughtful - like they have a lot on their minds.. a little sexier than Europe 72 - kinda slinky. We know what direction they went, but this'll be a good look into that transition.

Contains the earliest official release of Box of Rain, which had just debuted 10/9. Interesting that it debuted so long after the album came out...

How's that for justifying the 30th~ show from '72? ;)

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UJB THROUGH ENCORE

I have also listened to part of the show from archive.org. UJB through the encore of JBG is some strong stuff. I think I can handle it though!

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DaP 11 11/17/72?

Although I have a subscription, I received this email:

Dear Valued Customer,

Thank you for your recent order from the Dead.net Store. We appreciate your business!

You are receiving this message becasue we want to confirm that you are at the same address entered at checkout for your preorder of Dave's Picks Volume 11: Century II Convention Hall, Wichita, KS 11/17/72. If you are at the same address, please disregard this message. If you have moved, please reply to this email with your new address information no later than Friday, July 25. Thank you!

Kind regards,

Dead.net Store Customer Care Team

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"Dave's Pick from Wichitaaaah"

Sing it now!

Weird that we get the official notification from an email, and nothing on the site. I guess pushing the Spring 1990 Other box is the priority (I'm not biting)!

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again

Really another 70s show this is BS I ordered this subscription thinking it would span the deads 30 year career not only the first 8 years I don't mind more 70 shows but why can't they just mix it up a little I will definitely not get next years subscription what's the point its all going to be the same thing boo Dave

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Really another 70s show this is BS I ordered this subscription thinking it would span the deads 30 year career not only the first 8 years I don't mind more 70 shows but why can't they just mix it up a little I will definitely not get next years subscription what's the point its all going to be the same thing boo Dave

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1981-1987

Their "BEST" years? I don't think so.

There are some great shows in that time span, but they were very hit-and-miss back then. I basically stopped going to see the Dead during this period...I think I only saw them 5 times in that entire 6 years (mostly Greek shows).

Still, I agree, they should release something from that era!

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11/17/72

It's official 11/17/72

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WRS

The WRS topic came up before. Pretty cool. I don't remember what official release it is from 1969, dicks or roadtrips? but I remember hearing Bobby tuning up and playing a few chords that sounded like WRS.

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first WRS "prelude" in 11/17/72

giggity

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Let me save RV3 some trouble...

Surprise, surprise, ANOTHER pick from 1972 same 'ol same ol' NOT what I fkn wanted!! We all know that DL2 loves this era but how about a bone for those of us who appreciate ALL of the Dead's 30 year career 1965-1995 not JUST FKN 1969-1978. I know i know, we just got a 1990's box set big deal...what about all those years from 1981-1987, you know the Dead's BEST years. Now we get another stale sounding '72 recording with another. YAWN. I subscribed, but I don't know what I'll do with this show, use it as a coaster maybe. Time to give the 80s the recognition they deserve with DaP12!!!!

There ya go, RV3. Did I miss anything?

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Bolo is Legit

Who is Bolo? Some insider I am guessing, being new to the forum and all... but good clues

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DaP11

Very much looking forward to hearing the Box of Rain!

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11/17/72

Yea...11/17/72! Good job to those that guessed correctly (included me). I can't recall who first guessed 11/17/72, but nicely done to whoever it was.

I can't wait to receive this show. Maybe Dave is skipping the seaside chat?

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Confirmed!

Indeed 11/17/72....man, you guys and girls are very good with bolo's clues, very impressive!

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Yeap it is in my inbox

I took a listen to this show when it was rumored... sounded pretty good on the archive...
so the official release should be nice!

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11/17/72 confirmed

Just got email confirmation from dead.net that the show is 11/17/72. It's the standard "confirming your address" email, but they named the show. The wait is almost over!

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Bolo is Legit

11/17/72 is on its way...

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Yup Wichita 11/17/72

Great Pick Dave!

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Wichita

Just received:

Dear Valued Customer,

Thank you for your recent order from the Dead.net Store. We appreciate your business!

You are receiving this message becasue we want to confirm that you are at the same address entered at checkout for your preorder of Dave's Picks Volume 11: Century II Convention Hall, Wichita, KS 11/17/72. If you are at the same address, please disregard this message. If you have moved, please reply to this email with your new address information no later than Friday, July 25. Thank you!

Kind regards,

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Wichita, KS 11/17/72 !!!

confirmed

Such a beaut of a show to replace my sad old treasure of a tape.

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11/17/72

Just got the e-mail checking if my address had changed. It says we'll all be getting this show soon. I can't wait. I secretly hope they release every note from 1972 before they do anything else! ;)

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Wichita 72 it is

Wichita 72 it is

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Last night...plus

Last night was awesome! It's always nice to watch some quality footage of the band. The sound was excellent as well. I went to the same place I did last year. Much smaller crowd than showed up for SSDD. Less obnoxious too! Can't wait to go back and listen to the show. Billy was on fire in that short drums. Anybody grabbed a copy of Rolling Stone Garcia special that's on new stands? Is it the same old same old rolling stone regurgitation? Those are pretty pricey, usually $12 or so.

...Any day now, any day now, Dave's shall be released!

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Re: Beat Club

Unfortunately I couldn't make it last night, congrats to those who could! I was there in spirit!

I don't see it as a huge cash cow to release so I can understand why it's not coming out if they're asking a ridiculous amount for the footage. Glad King Crimson were able to work something out since it's the only filmed footage of the Larks' Tongues In Aspic lineup and seeing Jamie Muir's insanity is well worth it. Leaves me wondering, since The Dead and KC performed much more than what was broadcast, what else is sitting in those German vaults? Jethro Tull have released their one song from Beat Club, is there more dying to be heard? I could drive myself crazy wondering!

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Bremen show

So I now have a ticket stub from a 1972 show in my pocket, and I only paid $12.50 for it! Sweet.

The Bremen MUAM show was great - some thoughts:
- Clearly an odd experience with false starts and an empty TV studio with just a handful of people in the room, though gives you "fly on the wall" perspective.
- Jerry's guitar strap is very cool, though seeing Jerry play a Strat is odd.
- Donna has a lot of eye contact with someone off camera who, by her body language, seems to be encouraging Donna to dance more or be more animated for the TV crowd??? - just a sense...
- It really struck me how Garcia and to a lesser extent Lesh were the main forces directing the ebbs and flows of the jams in both Playin's and The Other One. It's clearly Jerry's band as his every change is mirrored by the band.
- I love how Jerry has placed himself seemingly at the back of the stage, seemingly behind everyone including Billy! It's almost like he's begging the others to step up and take the wheel so it's not always just him leading the charge, a sentiment echoed by Trey with Phish at times.
- My god they are young! Bobby has not a single line on his face. Phil looks like Bill Gates nerdier cousin. Jerry is in his absolute prime. The one exception is Pigpen who looks horrible - not surprising since he would pass away within a year.
- Pigpen has a hat on the looks old and weathered like it was cut from the remains of an old couch, but it has on the front a tiny metal pin of Snoopy/Red Baron. Funny juxtaposition.
- This is TV from pre-HD, so the closeups on faces get REALLY CLOSE! This creates som funny shots.
- While this a good show and interesting, clearly nowhere near as good as the other shows on the tour

If ONLY they had filmed some of the monster shows of Europe '72 in this manner - Wow. As I've mentioned before, if the TV station in Germany is still asking big bucks for this to be release, it just doesn't make financial sense. Even if they only ask $250k for the rights, at 10,000 DVD copies that's still $25/disc just for the rights, (before any other costs!), and no one wants to pay $50 for a DVD - heck I don't know if I'd pay $25 for it - I already own the audio! Someone wrote "they should just throw it in as an extra on another release", but that's an incredibly expensive "extra" and not realistic.

And before anyone again chastises the TV station for "holding the GD's footage hostage" let's remember it's their TV show, GD were their guests, it's their film, and they stored it for 42 years. They can do whatever they want with it, and if the economics work, someday it'll come out. As far as I'm concerned the ship has sailed - I'm not aching for this video to be released.

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Jerry's Guitar Strap E72 Bremen

That's my take-away mainly, really awesome guitar strap. Jerry's incandescent cool. The less he moves, the bigger and juicier the jams. He seemed healthy, alert, interested and experimental given the circumstances (lights, no audience and Bob Weir's skinny jeans). Pigpen evoked cool confidence as well. A nod to him for sure. Everyone else seemed dated: Phil's goofiness, Bob's open mouth, Donna's not-so-attractive teeth and barbaric yawps, tie-dyed speakers clashing with tie-dyed green screen, etc). Jerry was universally cool. The post-Other One jam faded into feedback then sprung forth as a precursor to Sugar Magnolia (maybe?) then the showed faded to black. An apt metaphor really for the splendor that we all already know 72 was all about.

If DaP11 is 72, I'll know Lemieux is somewhere on Vancouver Island smiling for this sort of set up.

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per Peakshead's preference

Yessir, that 8 July 1978 Red Rocks show was indeed a hot one.

At that time, we were leery of the first few rows, as that was the meltdown zone where the crowd's lysergic buzz was nearly audible and many were gaga and not much more. (That's not to say we didn't imbibe more than our share of the Purple Dragon...)

About two-thirds the way through the show, my buddy, Pete, nudged me in the ribs with his elbow and pointed to the front row. No one there! Everyone in the first two rows had jumped down into the space between the front row and the railing in front of the stage to dance. So we scampered down and caught much of The Other One and Eyes from the front row and, of course, had nothing but loving smiles from the folks dancing before us. We could see Bill Walton and Ken Kesey backstage yucking it up. The scuttlebutt was that Kesey had asked for The Other One. He got a goodie and so did we!

People did regroup in their seats and we happily returned to our friends a dozen rows back. A truly great two-nighter and the GD's debut at the Rocks....

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How I agree!!!

12/12/69 is a gem. And yes, disc three rocks the house! I also would gladly take some Fall 70' over just about anything. However, if it is the 11/17/72 Wichita show, I do believe it will be smokin'! Will it be better than Veneta? Hard one to beat, but I have a feeling the show is right up there with the best of the Fall 72' tour.

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Fall 1970

Any of these would be sweet. I have really been bingeing on this time frame the last few weeks.

As I stated earlier, the signs are pointing to a Mountain Girl return for DaP11 (or, less likely, a secretly negotiated Betty Board). I'm glad I subscribed, because I want to have a copy of 7-8-78 if/when that ever surfaces. Same goes with any official release of a '66, '67, or '68. This box set will surely satisfy people's need for Brent shows (although it is still not what I was waiting for in terms of years), so that makes me think DaP 11 definitely will be something primal or maybe Donna/Keith.

This is my second subscription, and the wait before the Thelma announcement was so far the most excruciating. This time around has been easy, because the bonus disc and especially Thelma disc three are just gifts that keep on giving. Dave truly scored on that one. Enjoy the move tonight for those lucky enough to attend.

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Not Philly Palestra

Rochester, NY Palestra

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beat club

the powers that be probably wanted alot more money for the deads beat club performance than the crimson one. crimson great band with passionate fanbase but not as large

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Speaking of lost tapes

Has anyone mentioned the possibility of this being the 11/20/70 Palestra show where Jorma Kaukonen played a set with the band?

If the soundboards from that were in Jerry's stash that MG returned it would fit a lot of the clues. Including "that guy what was his name Gary or Gerry"? The wise guy tone. Just passing through (Jorma was in Philly overnight on their way to a gig in Canada I think). "Breakfast of Champions" (special K). And it would explain the travels of bolo24's avatar.

Who knows? I'm sure it will be a good show.

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I Find Myself Hoping...

...it's circa 1971 Mountain Girl material.

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@Nebulorb

Don't try to reason with the troll. RV3's posts are like broken records with excessive cussing, spelling errors, caps-lock, and whining. They take one of two forms:

1. OMG YOU KNOW TPTB ARE GONNA GO WITH A 70S SHOW AGAIN. The FKN GD played for 30 years but oh no....gotta stay with the 70s because thats what DL2 likes. THERE ARE SOME OF US WHO LIKE ALL ERAS OF DEAD AND WANNA SEE AN 80s SHOW but noooo, DL2 isn't interested in that. It's probably gonna be another terribly sounding '72 show or sumthin boring like that.

or

2. I KNOW ITS GONNA BE AN 80S BOX SET SOMETHIN' GREAT from the FKN 80s. 1985 thats where its at! All you people gotta hate on that but I KNOW FOR A FACT DL2 wont go with the 70s again because 15 out of the first 10 releases were from the 1970s!!!! COME ON PEOPLE 80s BOX SET. WE DESERVE THE INFO RIGHT NOW WHEN ARE THEY GONNA UPDATE THE WEBSITE!?!?!? FNK CRAZY....

There...I saved RV3 two posts.

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@RV3

"DL has put the first 9 of 10 releases from his series from that couple year window ('72-'77)...."

Unless I have misunderstood you, your statement is simply untrue. The first nine releases range from 12/20/69 through 11/30/80. We are not even three years into this series and the "window" so far is a span of 11 years!

Now, looking at the list of all 10 of Dave’s Picks thus far, there are only two years that have been repeated. 1969 & 1974. (And one of the 1969 shows was packaged with the 1970 show.) I would guess that Dave would fill in some gaps sooner than later.

So while I would expect some more repeats from eras where primo tapes are more readily available, I would also reasonably expect releases from 1972, 1979, and 1981 within the next year or so.

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I think the clues that convinced many it was Wichita were: it was a Fall show, it was one of the shows already guessed, it was a 25 song show with seven songs having something in common. Of course, these are the interpretations of the clues; the actual clues may, in fact, mean something entirely different.

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@ Rv3

I'm thinking I could 'stakehorse' you in a betting pool. . .. You're better at reading the tea leaves than me. I'm out of my depth with this shit.