Dave's Picks Volume 10: Thelma, Los Angeles, CA 12/12/69 - SOLD OUT
The last of a three-night run at a mysterious little club called "Thelma" found the Grateful Dead restoring glory to the Sunset Strip for what was once just a fleeting moment, now preserved for eternity with this here Dave's Picks Volume 10. Hot off the release of the highly-acclaimed Live/Dead and setting the stage for Workingman's Dead, 12/12/69 stands to represent the crux of the band's musical past, present, and future. Witness the first signs of country, folk, and Americana infiltrating an otherwise wildly experimental and anarchic period, evidenced by Pigpen-driven classics like "I'm A King Bee," "Hard To Handle," "Good Lovin'" and a whopping 30 minute+ version of "Turn On Your Lovelight," as well as over a half dozen then-new compositions which show the Garcia/Hunter songwriting duo elevating the Dead to higher ground. Thelma turns the heat up indeed!
Mastered in HDCD from the original soundboard recordings produced by Owsley Stanley, featuring the once lost, now found first reel, this is one full show you won't want to miss. Pre-order it here and now!
3 Disc set
Limited to 14,000 individually numbered copies
Mastered to HDCD specs by Jeffrey Norman
Digipak made of 100% recycled and PCW materials
Release Date: May 1, 2014
Thelma, Los Angeles, CA 12/12/69
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as a scientist. But, an interesting look into the heart of the process we all speculate about, nonetheless.
"Produce 8 releases a year with 1 or 2 box sets."
Perhaps you could share the web address of this posting?
I saw this job posting. Might be interesting :)
Manager, Grateful Dead Properties
Warner Music Group Burbank, CA
Posted: May 13, 2014
WSP - Rhino Entertainment
Detailed Job Description/ Responsibilities:
• Responsible for overall brand strategy.
• Liaise with band’s Legacy Manager, David Lemieux, on all significant decisions and developments. Run monthly Soundscan reports.
• Determine physical and digital release schedules. Work with David Lemieux to ensure pre-production deadlines are met (show selection, approved liners, photos selected, etc).
I found this video recently of a band I really love who will be around the US this Summer. I will be trying to catch them in Chicago in June, on Friday the 13th. Seems appropriate. Happy weekend!
About 10 years ago, another die cast car maker, Johnny Lightning, made a set of GD cars. They are equally as cool, and you can still find them on eBay for not much more than they originally sold for. The coolest was a diorama set with a bus, a beetle, and two plastic figurines of a hippy dude and chick with their dog, dancing by a campfire. This one fetches a bit of a higher price. They also made a Monkees diorama. They also made a 1:18 beetle (approx. 12-15" long) with dancing bears and GD decals. I was able to get one of thos while they were still around.
About a year ago, Hot Wheels had a set with 2 Who, 2 ACDC, and 2 Kiss cars. I skipped the ACDC and Kiss cars, but the Who cars are pretty cool.
There's alot of TC on this recent release, including some essentially solos during the longer suites. Not sure how Owls is missing it, or his ears or speakers have really lost treble.
Just listened to Dick's 16, from a month earlier, but in SF at Fillmore Auditorium (familiar bigger place). Very different energy and confidence.
Um, I like to refer to transitions and peaks as simple "tension and release", and no I don't know may bands who could really pull that off quite as well as the Dead. Phish can certainly pull it off - incredible musicianship there, though I'm not a Phan (not a hater - I like some of it, just not a Phan). Neil Young could do it sometimes, Pink Floyd were certainly no slouches, though these were pre-orchestrated transitions, for the most part. The Beatles Abbey Road medley doesn't count because that was a studio Frankenstein. I was extremely impressed with Furthur's transitions! They always had a way to get into the next song, and often not in a way the Dead ever did it. They actually did this much more fluidly and consistently than most late-era Dead.
RE: '69 Fillmore West and Europe '72 as "jewels in the crown" of your collection - Totally agree. Perfect recordings, perfect shows, era-defining. Maybe the '89 "Warlocks" box (or Spring '90) fits the criteria as the third "jewel" in the crown, thus representing different eras and song catalogs. Or maybe it's the one they're going to announce soon?
Love the idea of a Fall '72 box, but I think it will be a while before we see the next '72, '90, or '77 boxes given how massive those recent releases were……. An '80's box seems inevitable at some point, but I still have no clue what is in the Vault in decent enough quality to merit a box. Just please don't release a huge box that sounds like 4/6/82 Philly RT 4.4 (great show, but…) People don't want to blow $150-450 to hear hissy, muffled cassette masters.
Due to my move, Rhino had to send me a replacement copy to my new address since the old one went to the old house. It came yesterday and was in fact numbered, which raises all sorts of questions on the sold out status (which may have been discussed already below, I didn't read all the posts I missed over the last week).
There are a number of release-worthy shows from 1987. What the year lacks in terms of jamming and exploratory detours, it pays back a bit in the way of very tight licks and energy. It reminds me a lot of how songs like Playing and Wharf Rat and others were played in 71-early 72, before they took off. Shows I'd say worth releasing on merit (and not as to production thresholds in the vault copy) are:
9-18-87 as mentioned
7-8-87 Roanoke -- Healy playing games with sound and vocals all night, which probably rules it out, but they were playing with spirit that night and the set list is fantastic. Bobby stuttering T-t-t-t-truckin.
6-20-87 Greek -- KPFA broadcast that floats around widely so probably not something likely to warrant release, big post drums, and the Watchtower breakout has to be the most scorching debut of a song the GD ever threw down. Still probably the top version they ever did or close to it. The Sugar Mags is outrageous too, Brent is abusing his keys in the jam.
There are others and I'll open it up to the group to suggest. No, it will never be confused with 74, or even 89-90, but there's good stuff out there from 1987.
Speaking of the Greek above, visited SF this week for the first time ever and went on my own personal tour of Dead venues. Saw the old Cal Expo site (in Sacto for a half day), Greek, BCT, Oakland Coliseum, Oracle/Oakland Arena, HJK, Warfield and GAMH. The Greek is just the most unbelievable setting for a venue between the hillside, location on campus, nestled in the wooded hill (a Deer was grazing behind me while on top of the hill), and views of the Bay. And tiny! I cannot fathom the shows there, but certainly now see why they leveled the place just about every time they played there from 81-89. This lifelong East Coaster who saw west coast shows, but never a Bay Area one, was blown away.
These are not even out yet. I think they should start hitting the stores this month. I don't collect Hot Wheels, my 71 year old Pops does. Anything like this, he makes sure to send me a set. He tries to make Hot Wheel Collectors out of anyone in his life. But, I definitely don't mind a set like this. This is an internet pic, but I have a set on the way. Keep a look out in your friendly neighborhood Meijer, Target, Toys R Us.
Yeah, they are neat for sure!
My wife will probably murder me if I start collecting even more cool junk. But I am envying your collection there. What year did they produce those Hot Wheels gems?
Hey, I just noticed my attempt to change my profile pic to the Hot Wheels Grateful Dead set finally came to fruition 24 hours later. Cool. Click my username to see them up close. Hint: the VW Drag Bus and VW bus will be the hardest to find and most valuable.
Apologies. I was being presumptuous about the promo stamp. The main thing leading me to believe in a lack of fakes of the FW box is the plastic CD trays used in the digipaks. Pretty much any fake I have ever seen has been a Japanese mini LP, or a regular jewel case release of a rare title. Both have little production complexity. Like Palmer said, all you have to do is a bit of printing. The main point is low production cost with easy to acquire materials. It would be helpful to be able to purchase replacement plastic trays for digipaks when the teeth break, but I have never seen these available. I don't know if I have ever seen American CD's bootlegged, either. Well, except for once. I bought a Hornsby CD from a third party seller on Amazon, and it ended up being a CDR copy with a hastily produced paper label stuck on the disc and horrible color photocopied inserts. This disc regularly sold for $2 or $3, so I am not sure why anyone would go through the trouble. Maybe like counterfeiting $5's and $10's, less likely to draw serious scrutiny.
Anyway, with the various limited , out of print, and small number pressings available in the US from Rhino, Hip-O Select, etc., I definitely would have seen fakes along the way. The US market just doesn't seem to be tapped for fakes like the import markets.
As I said before, if I was in the market, my "fake radar" would not be going off over a promo FW box set or a non numbered DaP.
Nice post matchewy. I agree with your points about non-numbered boxes, except for your denial of the "PROMO" stamp. The boxes may leave the factory un-numbered/un-stamped but oftentimes someone goes nuts with a "PROMO" stamp. I have a "PROMO" copy of the Fillmore West Box. I seriously doubt it is a "forgery". Yeah, I'm biased, but if it is a forgery it is an astonishing piece of work. Beautiful sturdy box, digipaks, booklet, and probably the best sound quality of any Dead CD's in my collection. Whatever its origins, it is the jewel of my collection, right alongside of the E72 box.
I've never heard any reports of forged box sets. Is this really a problem? If it were so easy to make masterful forgeries, then every box set on the market is suspect. I doubt it is so easy to do. And how big is the market really? How many people are left in the world that are willing to pay $300-400 for the FW69 box? Many hardcore heads who missed the boat balk at those prices. It would make more sense to forge the bonus discs. There you only need to reproduce a CD with music and artwork, and a cardboard sleeve with artwork. Those discs are selling for up to $300 on ebay, compared to the $40-50/per disc price of the FW box. I suspect that most bonus discs on the market are also genuine, but that is just my hunch.
Sorry for the rant, I guess I'm a little defensive about my beloved "PROMO" Fillmore West box.
SanFran makes a good point re noticing/appreciating the Dead's unique way of transitioning between songs...sometimes only a tease...but these musical connections of serene seamlessness are what "art" is. They should not be taken for granted, even though, (per their subtle nature) it's natural to not notice!
Some of my favorite transitions occur before Morning Dews. I don't want to get dirty...but I sense a similarity between a good Dead segue moment and (dare I say) the anticipatory moment directly before sexual climax... Of course the grandaddy of all transitions, the classic everybody knows, is China Cat to I Know You Rider. Does anybody do this as well as the Dead? I don't know...the Polythene Pam section on Beatles' Abbey Road, maybe...
I got my copy here in the Netherlands today. The other Nederlander who regularly posts here, Roland Bruynesteyn, got his on Tuesday and assured me I would get mine the same day. Didn't happen like that but I am glad that it has arrived in time for the weekend.
Still, I got #6273 and he got #12492. Sometimes we get copies with near-identical numbers, suggesting that they were packaged and shipped at the same time, other times (like now) we get copies with completely different numbers.
All weekend activities have been put on hold...
Still nothing here in the northern part of Germany (Isle Of Fehmarn).
Got my shipping note on 4/29 so I hopefully receice the disc next week.
dropped off son at high school. driving to freeway down hill. 11/6/70 Casey Jones "watch your speed". I am going 42 in a 35 zone. i slow down. 1/4 mile later there is a motorcylce cop with radar. No ticket for me. Thank you, GD!!!
three things are certain in life: death, taxes, and me and my uncle
Please contact me about Vol 10 I have for you.
....Fall 72 Box, Fall 72 Box ,Fall 72 Box!!!.......
Promo copies and non-numbered copies are synonymous. The Fillmore boxes and DaP releases will not say promo; they will simply not be numbered. I am sure they print some extras just to have them and possibly give out for marketing reasons (NPR, other media reviews, etc.) They probably even print a few extras in case of lost and damaged shipments. The fact that someone can sell a numbered copy for more than a non-numbered copy is completely arbitrary and a matter of aesthetics. They are identical products with the only difference being the numbers printed. It is the same in the case of low or high numbers. What does it really matter if you have 159/14,000 vs. 13,789/14,000. I feel the only instance that would matter would be numbers from 1-10, because these are usually the copies given to band members or people directly involved in the production. Therefore, you could likely trace your copy to who it was initially presented to (i.e., Phil's or Bob's copy).
I imagine WEA/Rhino uses some sort of hologram on the disc matrices on the playing side of the CD surface. If this is the case, bootlegs would be easy to identify. As a Japanese mini LP collector, I have seen my share of fakes. But, I do not think this set would be easy to make due to the booklet and the nature of the CD covers/cases. If the non-numbered copies were fakes, I would expect them to be listed by sellers from China or one of several former Soviet countries (Georgia, Estonia, etc.) And, if you identify the item as a fake, eBay is good about making it right. If I were looking for a Fillmore box, and I found a reasonably priced non-numbered set on eBay, I would not hesitate to give it a shot. No, I am not selling any non-numbered sets on eBay.
As far as the "Dead Letter Office" edition goes, that was one DaP release, Vol. 3. It actually had 'Dead Letter Office Edition" printed on the cover, and there were 500 printed. This edition was the result of a major shipping issue for that release where many shipments were lost in the mail.
Hope this helps clear things up for those with confusion. Have a great weekend out there in Deadland!
Now here's an idea! Unfortunately, I don't believe 11/19 is in the vault. There are also some good shows right before this run in the Midwest. I don't have a DeadBase in front of me, but Oklahoma, I think, and either Missouri or Kansas.
You could also do another mini-box packaging together the excellent Waterbury shows with the 9/28/72 everyone's been talking about.
In any case, in an ideal world, 11/19, 9/28, and the Jersey City gig from that Summer are among my top wishes for release.
...but then I never thought I'd see 8/27 on CD, much less DVD.
Arrived in Croatia, Australia, Scotland and and and ... but me still waiting and weeping in Franconia. Somebody got it already in Germany?
I get it.Just gave it a listen and Bobby is AGRESSIVE to say the least. The boys are just pushing his buttons in overdrive behind him. Whew... :)
"...everybody move back"
rippin cumberland blues
Hey Stoltzfus -- I agree with you on the 6/23/74 show (Miami Jai Alai Fronton). That is one of my all time favorite shows. Jerry is doing something weird with the sound of his guitar that night and I just love it. Check out Mississippi Half Step and To Lay Me Down to see what I mean.
Great post, SanFranWanabee, a great release and certainly historically important as well as enjoyable.
Thanks for the cool little story about the 84 Carrier Dome Jack Straw, AJS, it's always great to get some insight into what a happened at a show most of us didn't attend but can listen to on the archive. For the record, I'm a Blackhawks fan, not that it matters much here.
I agree that The Big Chill is the kind of movie that can piss a person off. Somewhere in the movie one of the characters says (I'm paraphrasing), "Was it all just a fad?" when talking about the peace and love stuff. The answer is obviously yes for most of those characters, yes it was just a fad. These are the "hippies" who grew up and voted for "W". A bunch of assholes. Well, except for William Hurt's character.
Had my mid 7000 copy for a little over a week. Was concerned when everyone here had theirs in the Northeast and was get ting a little nervous that my copy had entered the no delivery zone and needed to make some calls. And then it arrived. Loved the whole package, loved the artwork, loved the articles and side stories that Dave included. More importantly, have loved the release. Didn't really have as high expectation as many here, but am simply blown away with this release. Dave is my new winner as smartest man in the universe and beyond the fact that this release is so special, that there are still so many shows in the vault that are so unlike others that you are again reconsider the bands abilities.
This release is so unique it is almost a time machine of a time that few knew existed. I'm fully aware of the dramatic changes that music was going thru at this time, but the Dead were a major player in creating change. The segue from Uncle J. To Friend is what truly separates the Dead from the rest. For most bands this time span would be a gap between songs but the Dead created a transition that in this case and many others was almost the best part of the music and the Dead at their best. This was the Jazz Dead transition where the band took off the training wheels of defining or playing a song and wandered into the never to be rehearsed or repeated zone of lets make up shit and challenge everyone present and ourselves to what was going to happen next. Making up shit is a challenging endeavor and at this time few had the ability or the balls to take it on.
Thanks Dave for the history lesson that this release is.
#12852 has landed in Adelaide! Time to sit back and listen.
Supertroopers "Where'd ya learn that Rabbit,Dead tour?"
Y'all are missing the best. It is in the director's cut of Walk Hard: The Dewey Cox Story during "middle Dewey's" hippie phase. I think it's also in the deleted scenes. Couldn't find it on YouTube, but it's probably there.
The reason tc's playing doesn't stand out to your ears is because he doesn't really contribute much to the overall sound in general......let's face it folks, his organ sounds like a kids carnival ride over and over again......his runs are all the same and very simple...it just didn't work...I'll take pigs organ any day cuz at least he had some soul andactually created some original hooks...the original organ hook on dark star is pigs... Yes everyone, that darkstar...tc just kinda sucked and I think the band knew it which is why they didn't give a shit when he said he was leaving the band.....the reality is everyone, that when he left and then Mickey in the following year, finally allowed the dead to become the tight, jazzy smoking hot rockCountry, LSD band that we all know and loved for the next 30 years...I actually wish Mickey didnt come back until the early to mid 80s....I would have loved to hear them with one drummer all the way thru the 70s.....
you cited a box o' fun.
those texas shows are GRRRRREAT!
I recall DaL saying that 11/19/72 isn't in the vault (tears, tears, tears!)
the chinese restaurant scene in "nice dreams"
One of my least favorite Dead references in movies: the overweight Jerry Garcia portrayal in the stoner movie, "Half-Baked."
One of my favorite GD references in a movie is from "Mask"- the scene where Rocky Dennis is listening to Ripple. It seemed the filmmakers got it right with this one. I remember seeing "Pulp Fiction" and thinking "C'est La Vie" was a coincidence. That's until I saw "Death Proof" and heard the song "Staggolee."
There were almost 50 promo copies made. Dave L confirmed that to me by email some years back.
just thought of racing...
I'd buy that box...
11/26 san antonio
My understanding is that most "promo" copies (not just for the Dead) are forgeries/bootlegs. It's a way to get around the numbering problem. There are lots of "promos" for the Fillmore West box, I wouldn't pay anything for those - gotta be fakes (IMO). Given what those sell for, it would be worth the investment to mock up some look-alikes and print "promo" on them.
the other day I watched the movie Romancing the Stone yea pretty cheesy. Anyway There was a stereotipical dead reference along with a guy wearing a dead shirt on which If remember correctly it was a Radio city music hall 1980 shirt which was pretty unexpected and cool at the same time. Point is Weir everwhere !
@ beatingthelilies. these unnumbered copies you refer to are often called dead.net letter copies issued to customers whos original copies had gotten lost in shipping. also its possible that it could be a promo copy hope this clears things up for you.
p.s. be kind to the lilies lol :- )
This does not pertain to DP 10 but figured it was the best place to ask. I have purchased every copy of Dave's Picks off of dead.net except for vol. 1. About a year ago, I came across a reasonably priced copy being sold at a well-respected music store. After buying it, I noticed that it wasn't numbered! Does anyone know how/why this could have happened?
the music was great...