Dave's Picks Volume 10: Thelma, Los Angeles, CA 12/12/69 - SOLD OUT
The last of a three-night run at a mysterious little club called "Thelma" found the Grateful Dead restoring glory to the Sunset Strip for what was once just a fleeting moment, now preserved for eternity with this here Dave's Picks Volume 10. Hot off the release of the highly-acclaimed Live/Dead and setting the stage for Workingman's Dead, 12/12/69 stands to represent the crux of the band's musical past, present, and future. Witness the first signs of country, folk, and Americana infiltrating an otherwise wildly experimental and anarchic period, evidenced by Pigpen-driven classics like "I'm A King Bee," "Hard To Handle," "Good Lovin'" and a whopping 30 minute+ version of "Turn On Your Lovelight," as well as over a half dozen then-new compositions which show the Garcia/Hunter songwriting duo elevating the Dead to higher ground. Thelma turns the heat up indeed!
Mastered in HDCD from the original soundboard recordings produced by Owsley Stanley, featuring the once lost, now found first reel, this is one full show you won't want to miss. Pre-order it here and now!
3 Disc set
Limited to 14,000 individually numbered copies
Mastered to HDCD specs by Jeffrey Norman
Digipak made of 100% recycled and PCW materials
Release Date: May 1, 2014
Thelma, Los Angeles, CA 12/12/69
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....checking out 11/1/79 Nassau...great show. Bobby and Brent were ON!! Enlightening space> Black Peter. Pass the popcorn!
.btw, my mailbox is starting to glow...hungry for some vintage '69. I tried feeling DaP 6 to it, but to no avail. I plattered DP DP 6 and 26, but it turned up its nose. Road Trips 4.1 was gnawed on, but tossed aside. Fillmore West '69 and Fillmore East 2/11/69 gained some interest...but you get the picture. Fresh Meat ahead....
The Cow Palace was a place where they had actual cattle expositions, rodeos, etc. Livestock transactions. I was never there but I heard you could smell why and how it was named even during a Dead show.
For some reason I keep thinking of a line from the movie The Rundown when the camera quickly cuts to Christopher Walken who says: "That's a lot of Cows!!!"
It's impossible for me to break down a top 5 shows list. Some of my favorite shows aren't necessarily in my favorite eras and vice versa.
Currently I'm listening to 12/31/87. An amazing triumphant show after a triumphant year. I wish they would rerelease this one in it's entirety, including the set with the Neville's on CD and DVD.
Rhino, owned by Warner Music Group, is a big enough company to pay the "guest artist" licensing fees. Any show with any guest that is of decent quality in sound and performance should be on the table for release.
Just set you a PM FYI. Thanks!
I'm going to pull that show and give it a spin. I don't remember how it came to be called the Cow Palace, I think I remember reading something about it the liner notes. Dick's Pick Vol.24 is also a Cow Palace show. I remember when it first came out, I played it a lot.
I read on the thread a few days ago with all the Bonus CD talk about the Beyond Description CD having a long jam, I decided to pull it. Man it is sweet, 31 minutes of great Grateful Dead. Starts off sort of all over the place. Reminds me of Mile's Davis Bitches Brew. After 8-9 minutes they find the grove and its on, sweet drums around 17 minutes then on with jamming. Phil's bass sounds really groovy. I got this with the box set many years ago and sort of put it to the side. I was digging all the extra stuff on the CDs it sort of fell of the grid.
Very glad I pulled it for a nice jam, on my 4th time listening to it. We should all start getting some shipping notices soon.
I love The Grateful Dead like their family and I get a little emotional at times.
Thanks for your thoughts...I wasn't sure if it was just me...I guess I was compelled to write something cuz with all the talk about how bummed peeps were that they got shutout of certain Dave's picks , which I happen to think are wonderful selections, cow palace 76 isn't sold out....thanks for your top 5 picks of all time...can't wait to check out that 73 show..73 and 74 are just so damn good...they are so patient, confident and at peace with their art form...the sound from that era puts me in the most mellow, relaxed grateful mood...?..anyone else.......?????
12/31/76 is one of the top five shows of the GD's career. In my opinion.
I've always loved 12/31/76, always will.
question I don't know the answer to: how many copies can one individual purchase at a time?
I noticed a little while backs a couple of comments about the cow palace 76 new years show...I just got mine cuz I love how you can hear echoes of the greatness that was 74, and start to hear the greatness that would be 77.....somewhere in between the jazzy mind melt sonic beauty of 74 and the dreamy peaceful sweet sonic landscape of 77...was wondering what anyone though about that show? I though the vocals, ESP bobby were just fantastic, Jerry and bob and even Donna sound so nice and sweet....damn good recording as well....anyone agree? Disagree? Would love to hear your thoughts.
RSD redux. So, still off the high of last week's RSD, I went to Ameoba yesterday. Man, I found some treasures! Picked up the new complete "Old and In the Way" set. What a joy to hear!, especially in good headphones. I also snagged a Garcia/Grisman bootleg CD. It's just labelled "Garcia/Grisman Lost and Found,Warfield 1992". I'm listening to it now and it's just beautiful. I tell you friends, live Garcia/Grisman is pure gold. The lack of live Garcia/Grisman releases is practically a human rights atrocity at this point, almost 20 years after Jerry's passing. This CD has great versions of "The Fields Have Turned Brown" and "She Belongs to Me", among others. Really, every track is amazing. Please, TPTB, get your shit together and release more Garcia/Grisman.
Hampton 1979. Someone posted earlier about seeing the Dead show in Hampton and then going to the "No Nukes" rally in DC. Man, I went to that rally too! I was only 14 and not yet (quite) into the Dead. I still remember a young Bonnie Raitt singing "Angel From Montgomery". That's my earliest memory of live music and it's a good one!
I'm glad you didn't delete your account fourwindsblow, we need more people like you here
Subscribe and you get a shake on the price and shipping. Doesn't get much better than that I suppose.
And don't forget about 'The highly collectible' bonus disc.
really? perhaps one should read the sunshine daydream page and check some of the comments there. I my self had a horrible experience with customer service which left such a bad taste in my mouth I did not purchase anything from this site for 2 years. I missed out on the first 2 yrs. of Dave's Picks and after 6 was released and then 8, I had to get back on the dead bus and ponied up the bucks for year three. I was very apprehensive of the whole rhino customer service after complaining, emails, miscommunications and lies for almost a year I got restitution. But I think only because of the stink that I made, they now have a big asterisk beside my name and I get the best customer service. It goes to show, sometimes the squeakiest wheel gets the most grease. By the way, get the subscription, 4 shows for the price of 3 (if you buy early) and a bonus disc. Kind of a no brainer.
The two Mobile Fidelity "Garcia/Grisman" 2014 reissues (hybrid SACD & 2x180g LPs) have the same 9 tracks as the original Acoustic Disc 1991 release. They have been newly remastered from the original master tapes and, guess what - they are both numbered limited editions.
Is that "Garcia and Grisham" the same as (or remastered) "Grisham and Garcia"?
On Amazon, the cover images are the same...but the 2014 release has no track listing.
Another PM to you....
It's true, the subscription lasts for months and doesn't sell out, so that kind of kills the "I didn't catch it" excuse. There's always those who refuse to order because they "don't want more of XXXX" or "I won't buy something if I don't know what it is!" Those same people months later are moaning that they can't get the bonus disc or the individual releases are sold out. Like others said earlier, subscribe and sell the ones you don't like on eBay, the ridiculous prices they command will pay for the ones you keep. Either way the music will end up in the hands of someone who truly appreciates it.
What makes this whole experience unique is the level of investment from the Heads over the years. Whether financial, emotional or through time commitment, we all have a sense of ownership. With ownership comes a need for understanding and responsibility. By their own admission, the Dead ran a bloated and unsustainable business right up until Jerry's passing. Once they signed with Rhino, there were howls of complaint about customer service, poor quality, chopped up shows (Road Trips) and loss of personal contact. Here we are now with four complete shows plus one box give or take per year, weekly streaming, RSD releases. The customer service and product quality for the most part have greatly improved. We even have personal contact with Mary E and Dave if need be. This is an exciting time to be into the Dead.
This model is lean and successful. Adding 1000's of discs/quarter or setting up some kind of sign-up>build to order model would add many layers of logistics and perhaps take us back to the bad old days of the Rhino partnership. As investors we should understand this. This conservative model benefits everyone.
For each of us who love and cherish the official releases, there are 20 Heads who prefer streaming or torrenting the amazing collection of recordings that the Dead have encouraged and supported. If it is truly about the music, the music is there for all of us in formats unfathomable just 10 years ago. Rhino is a business doing what it needs to do to ensure the value of the partnership. The Dead have been the most generous and meticulous band in history with their music.
There is no reason anyone with a computer and an email address should miss out. I agree with the previous posts that subscription is the safest way to go.
Guit30, DaP subscriptions have never sold out. They are available from sometime in Nov. until mid-Jan. Then, when a shipping date is nearing, individual copies are put up for sale. Yes, those sell out pretty quickly. Anywhere from 2 days to 2 weeks. But NO subscription has ever sold out so it is real easy to se that anyone who wants the DaP offerings only has to subscribe to be guaranteed delivery of all 4 releases for that year plus the bonus disc. It is that simple.
thanks for the link simonrob. Really look forward to seeing that one.
According to the site, the Dave's Picks always sell out, like the new one just this week sold out, are you talking about the subscription? , yeh they sell out.
I just got Acoustic Disc's latest release on SaCD from MoFI,"Garcia and Grisham" , It is excellent,not really straight bluegrass, but more like ACOUSTIC JAZZ.
Thanks for the link simonrob. A certain relative of mine, that used to endure my cranking of the first five Byrds albums on their stereo, was recently in a London hotel room and the Gene Clark documentary was on. They tuned in and reported back to me that it was very good! Peace.
WharfratWhitey and others who seek the Gene Clark documentary DVD, you can find it here...
This new Bobby movie looks neat but may become a member of my white whale pod. Documentaries and independents are sometimes very elusive. I'm on the hunt for a copy of the new Gene Clark documentary 'The Byrd Who Flew Alone' as well.
Well put my man! DaP"s are on sale for a long time. Check the site or do e-mail it will help.
Not to give you a hard time Stoltzfus, but each November the DaP subscription goes on sale. It runs until mid-January, so that is over two months. In the first 3 years, NONE of them has ever sold out. The folks that are complaining here seem to be a bit out of place. And I have seen others complain that they missed the announcement. For 2.5 months? If you sign up for emails from Dead.net, you get announcements sent to your individual email address without ever looking at Dead.net even once. I too want everyone who wants the music to get it, but I think some folks just like to complain to hear the sound of their voice or to see their words here. If a subscription ever sells out, then you have a valid point. But until that actually happens, I think some folks here are crying wolf. And some have argued that they do not want to buy a subscription because they do not know if they will like all 4 releases. I think this site has proven, that if you get a release you do not want, someone will gladly take it off your hands and you will get your full value paid, probably more if you want to profit.
Sing me back home a song I used to hear. Make my old memories come alive.
Sing me away and turn back the year. Sing me back home before I die.
Looked through that window(pane) lately?
I'm no expert or authority but If these guys can't sell 3,000-5,000 more copies of each release every three months worldwide I would be very surprised. And boo hoo, if the warehouse starts getting too full, and the employees are drinking out of DaP coffee mugs and wearing SYF Hawaiian shirts I'm sure there are record chains that would take the excess sets. Heck release them at the next years RSD. Won't have any problem getting rid of them then!
The reverse of this coin though is I do recommend those 3,000-5,000 prospective buyers subscribe.
what if tptb took orders for a week or two for the newest release. Then, they created that many copies of said release. They know how many to make. Guaranteed sell out. fewer people missing the window(pane) of opportunity.
Make a few extra copies, such as rounding up to the nearest thousand. people who didn't go on home when mama was calling them can still get a copy.
"we have DaP #55!" over the next two weeks, 16,129 people order. tptb print 17,000. sold out!! johnny come latelys still have hope, too.
What I do is just check this site daily. "you gotta be quicker than that!" (old man with the fishing pole and dollar)
Syracuse78 - I got a copy of the Hampton vinyl. There is much i love about this release - but the sound is a bit murky / muddy. On the other hand, to me it is well balanced, and in particular Phil and the drummers come across well and man Phil is FRISKy on this.
My biggest issue is that there are some pops and static in the brand new vinyl, and in particular the Estimated>Eyes side has a visible flaw, like a long smeary discoloration in the vinyl which appears to cause a small pop every time the needle crosses it. At first i was so jazzed about the music I tired to look past it, but now I'm thinking I need to contact the Good Ole Customer Service. Kinda feels likely to be futile though...
So in short, I like the mix and love the music (especially Estimated>Eyes, Stella). But I'm concerned about the vinyl quality control - I recently bought a Beachwood Sparks "Tarnished Gold" vinyl, and it sounds absolutely flawless...
@musicabove, check PM!! QUICK!
To be honest, I've passed as much advice on as I can, to those that have been left out or disappointed, by telling them to subscribe. Subscribing is the best deal going unless you are so enthralled by 80's & 90's Dead and unfortunately haven't been rewarded. I've also advocated ad nauseum, in both the DaPs and box set threads, for upping the production of these releases. Guys, I'm running out of steam with it though, believe it or not. Im flustered and flummoxed that people can't access the music. Seriously, in 2014? I don't want to miss out on any good music but it sure as heck doesn't make me feel special or elite because I got a numbered CD and someone else didn't. The music matters most. The DaP coffee mugs cost .98 cents less than the DaP sets. How many of those mugs are selling and how many are taking up space in a warehouse? Some folks are really concerned with TPTB getting stuck with excess stock if too much is produced. Wow. Make less mugs and Hawaiian shirts.
I'm really looking forward to hearing DaP10, which I've never heard before, and offering something about music to this thread. And don't be disappointed again SK. Once bitten twice shy. Be vigilant if you want the music. They designed this game-now you know the rules. Go Bruins! Peace kind of.
Just FYI... whoever STARTED the white whale topic, KUDOS.
In the past 24 hours I have personally been able to help out a fellow friendly bud in the Netherlands, and have his white whale out to him with a tracking number already!
And I got another PM about another..
So, I still have some bonus cd's... and LOTS of disc I'm selling..
Spirit of 76, More of the Best of Jerry, etc..
Got it. Emailed you back + gave you my direct contact. Let's talk.
I would buy it in a heartbeat! In fact I would buy any box set they release. '71 or '72 box bring it on!! Even an '87 box I would buy.
Well, that '79 set would be fine by me. Of course people being what they are there'd be endless complaining either way. I've always been on the opinion that there are no bad Grateful Dead shows, just some that are much better than others. Even the most off-nights still had moments that took my breath away.
Re: Limited editions. I agree, make them more available, I hate thinking that if I space out for a day or two I could potentially lose out on something that would be cherished like gold. I suppose they know what they're doing and how big their audience is more than we do though. They are a business first and foremost and if there were more money to be made by having a larger print run I'd think they'd go that way. Maybe 14000 seems small, but has anyone seen what the albums topping the Bilboard charts sell these days? No matter what size the print run there'll always be someone napping that misses out, doesn't mean there's another several thousand just like him/her though. Something to consider.
A guy I work with, old time Head, first show was Hollywood Bowl back in '71 was it? I let him know ASAP when these things are announced for sale and he always hesitates and they sell out, then a week or two later he's bidding on eBay for 2X the original price, crazy. What's that have to do with anything? Nothing! My mind just wanders...
You have a PM. Thanks!
A couple things on this rainy Saturday. Well maybe three. 1st two don't need elaboration. 1) Lets go Bruins! Lets go! 2) The Beatles Circa 65-68. 3) Giving smallking the benefit of the doubt about being a legit post, perfect example of why the limited or what I would consider 'severely' limited edition thing is stale three years later. I shared his same sentiments on DaP4 when I started paying attention! We are going on DaP10! The word is still getting out to people! Do TPTB think they are catering to such a small demographic third year into this thing? Are they trying be cool by thinking they're playing within the confines of some sort of Deadhead playbook? Listen man I'd give up my arbitrarily numbered disc set for a mass produced set if it means people aren't being left out. One release l get is #500, the next one I get is #10,000. Come on man. Happy Saturday!
And don't be disappointed again SK. Once bitten twice shy.
Check your PM please.
FWIW, you don't have to pay $100 a pop for it.
Go back a bit, the limited edition discussion has played out quite a bit.... It probably needs to stay limited unless someone else distributes them.
You will find many extras for nowhere near $100.
I will have at least one extra I'm selling for nowhere near that.
Folks: Is there an explanation form anyone at dead.net as to why there are only 14,000 copies of this show to be sold? I would like to purchase this as I have wanted to purchase previous releases(Missoula, MT...UCLA, etc..), only to be told SOLD OUT. I mean, the thing hasn't even been released yet and it's already sold out. The only way I can get releases like this is to buy them for $100 a pop on Amazon, which is completely insane. With all due respect management and the band, please reconsider limiting these releases and only selling these to folks that can afford a yearly subscription. Thanks for listening.
Is there a place on dead.net to discuss this release? I have heard nothing but bad things about sound quality and wanted to see if there was a discussion about it.
Who knows how to start one of these?
We need a movement. I've been hearing this guy's story for YEARS. I mean, justice is NOT being served here.
I guess my 'white whale' might be the complete Dick's Picks- all 36. I've got 1-10 but am waiting to see if they ever offer them again as a complete set like they did a few years back for $450. I know Real Gone Music is offering them piecemeal but that's a bit out of my reach price-wise. I'd gladly take a stripped-down version like they did with the 'All the Years Combine' video set.
I saw a picture once of Lennon's cupboard or refrigerator where he reportedly kept his vitamin A... he had a sticker on the door that read 'safe as milk'.
I'm excited for the Box Set news too! My inner vibe tells me it's going to be a 1971 box. Whatever year it is though, if it crests $200, I'll wince and may hesitate. The May '77 box can be found reasonably priced. That box was perfect in my mind as far as physical packaging, sound, price and number of discs! Either way any news about a new release is welcome news.
I feel that the next box set will feature the following 5 shows:
The reason I feel this is because 3 out of the last 4 weeks either the tapers section & this weeks JOTW feature selections from either 12/3 or 12/4. All 5 of those shows deserve to be released just like 10/27 & 10/28/79 so does 9/4 & 9/5/79. How about an October 72 box set? I have put aside $400.00 for this years box set whatever it is. So I'm predicting that as soon as DP 10 ships we'll soon get the official announcement regarding Dead Box set 2014 if you remember last year May 1977 was announced May 7th last year.
Also I'm a little disappointed that Hampton 1979 wasn't available on CD I am aware that it was released for Record Store Day however it would have been kind of cool to have the CD & perhaps maybe a t-shirt featuring the cover art available online at dead.net. Just some random thoughts on a Saturday morning. Well the wife & I have errands to run so have a GRATEFUL DAY, DEADLAND!!!!!
More than a mutual admiration. Los Lobos opened shows for the Dead, several in 1989...
Los Lobos appeared on Deadicated doing Bertha.
They also were on the Move Me Brightly - 70th Birthday DVD and part of that celebration and discussion.
enjoy some David Hidalgo w/ Bob and Jerry: