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Dave's Picks Volume 10: Thelma, Los Angeles, CA 12/12/69 - SOLD OUT

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The last of a three-night run at a mysterious little club called "Thelma" found the Grateful Dead restoring glory to the Sunset Strip for what was once just a fleeting moment, now preserved for eternity with this here Dave's Picks Volume 10. Hot off the release of the highly-acclaimed Live/Dead and setting the stage for Workingman's Dead, 12/12/69 stands to represent the crux of the band's musical past, present, and future. Witness the first signs of country, folk, and Americana infiltrating an otherwise wildly experimental and anarchic period, evidenced by Pigpen-driven classics like "I'm A King Bee," "Hard To Handle," "Good Lovin'" and a whopping 30 minute+ version of "Turn On Your Lovelight," as well as over a half dozen then-new compositions which show the Garcia/Hunter songwriting duo elevating the Dead to higher ground. Thelma turns the heat up indeed!

Mastered in HDCD from the original soundboard recordings produced by Owsley Stanley, featuring the once lost, now found first reel, this is one full show you won't want to miss. Pre-order it here and now!

Product Details

3 Disc set
Limited to 14,000 individually numbered copies
Mastered to HDCD specs by Jeffrey Norman
Digipak made of 100% recycled and PCW materials
Release Date: May 1, 2014

Listening Party

12/12/69, Los Angeles, CA


"Easy Wind"

"Cumberland Blues"

David Lemieux Volume 10 Seaside Chat

Tracklist

Thelma, Los Angeles, CA 12/12/69

Disc 1
1. Cold Rain And Snow (5:53)
2. Me And My Uncle (4:05)
3. Easy Wind (9:33)
4. Cumberland Blues (7:39)
5. Black Peter (12:19)
6. Next Time You See Me (5:43)
7. China Cat Sunflower (5:19)
8. I Know You Rider (5:55)

Disc 2
1. Turn On Your Lovelight (31:57)
2. Hard To Handle (4:40)
3. Casey Jones (4:55)
4. Mama Tried (2:37)
5. High Time (7:34)
6. Dire Wolf (4:51
7. Good Lovin’ (6:18)
8. I’m A King Bee (7:44)

Disc 3
1. Uncle John’s Band (8:39)
2. He Was A Friend Of Mine (4:13)
3. Alligator (4:08)
4. Drums (7:00)
5. Alligator (9:15)
6. Caution (Do Not Stop On Tracks) (22:43)
7. Feedback (7:11)
8. And We Bid You Goodnight (3:27)

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Heiliger Kuehlschrank!

Many thanks to the people on this board who were cheering me up a while ago. You probably won't believe this but I'm still waiting for Dave's Picks Vol. 10 here in Southern Germany. Yes, 10. The replacement should be on its way. The only positive thing about this is: With GarciaLive being released next week and my Vol. 10 arriving soon, the waiting for Vol. 11 shouldn't be too hard.
However, I do think that announcements should be made earlier than three weeks before the release date. I love the subscription but I don't see any point in not announcing the sets at least a month before.

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Whining

The only thing more tired than RV3's entitled, childish, whiny, anti-DL2 rants are spacebrother's childish persecution complex rants.

Spacebro gets points for grammar and spelling though.

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Wow. Germany what a performance.

Hopefully the next release won't be as awful as that game !! I'm glad I didn't pay for that ticket. And thank god all the flights were sold out from Fortaleza or I would have.

Bring on a great show and great sound quality. All good things in all good time. People no need for the hostility.

I am pulling for a Brent show. 10-23-89 is very underrated, although I would never anticipate this as an official release. I am very Grateful a friend gave me this in great quality, years ago I can enjoy over and over. Tennessee Jed and Let it Grow close a great 1st set. Check it out if you have got the time.

Daves 11 and Garcia vol. 4 will be waiting at my doorstep when I get back. Can't wait to hear and some others I didn't have time for.

Download 76' and and the 2-4-70 have been great for Road Trips in Brasil. I think an 80's show is next on my download list. Maybe 3-27-88 or 4-1-88. Although I would like the hard copy of the April fools show

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MLAVALEE

Good point!

The difference between getting early vs. late Dead at Archive.org is that there's a lot of early Dead in the Vault that you just can't get on Archive.org (like 12/12/69 and 2/2/70, aka DaP6). Also, the poor AUD sound quality of many of shows available make them unlistenable (with many famous exceptions). Like Europe '72 - a lot of these amazing shows were available, but the aud recording quality on most was weak. By contrast, the sound quality of late 60's/early 70's soundboards is usually very high!

In the 80's, aud quality is generally an improvement over the 70's auds, AND every~ show is available, making it an ideal resource for 80's lovers. Yet the '80s soundboards generally DON'T sound as good as they could because they were largely record on cassette (see RT 4.4 - 4/6/82). This is too bad because the 80's had some incredible tours, great shows, new songs. But the sound quality of the 80's boards is generally poor compared to the 70's sounboards.

So Archive is great for late-era fans because it is 1) complete catalog of the 80's/90's, 2) decent aud sound quality (and some boards, I think) and 3) FREE

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Catching up

To throw in
Beatles. Yes BobLopes. MONO is the format, even now nothing better. I was raised on it so I'm partial, but that's the way the four made it, stereo was an afterthought. Paperback Writer! In 99 I bought both mono and stereo boxes and adore spending time in their magic. The Anthologies have plenty of " out takes and bonus " stuff for me. They were my first band, and I will always love um.

Let it Be Naked. I love it too. That's what a total polish and Re remaster and remix CAN sound like.

CSNY I'm hoping to see more reviews. NEW PINK FLOYD. That may be very interesting if Rog gets an invite.

And finally, The Dead.......passion for music is always a good thing. I can't wait for 11 myself regardless of what it is. I love the scope of this band. Packing a days worth of cd's is always fun. Jumping thru the decades and sounds, WOW.

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Angry Jack Straw - dantian

Angry Jack Straw - who gives a f*ck what you said? You're selfish attitude, closed-mindedness and childish behavior towards others here is repulsive at best. Get over yourself. You'll make more friends that way.

dantian -
you asked...

"But "one of the last people?" How so? Are you implying that my opinion is somehow less valid because I only saw shows for a couple of years?"

Your opinion is no more or less valid than anybody else's. Your attitude and commentary, much like your "Jack" pals and Shakespeare's towards others here is solely to berate others whose opinions differ from yours and/or have dissatisfaction with the lack of variety offered in the Dave's Picks series.

The clique of individuals here who I've mentioned in my last couple of posts epitomize the whole "Deader than thou" attitude Blair Jackson discussed a few years back.

If you only like shows from certain eras, fine. It's your thing. Personal taste and artistic appeal are subjective. If you berate those who like the eras you don't like and gang up on them for expressing their/our dissatisfaction regarding the selection process, then you are a "Deader than thou" snob.

Personally, I get far more mileage from several '86 shows where the song selection is never the same each night, repeats are far and few between and each performance truly unique than an entire '72 tour where the set lists/ performances and sound are almost exactly the same.

I wouldn't mind it so much if the releases were more spread out through their career, but at this point, with so many similar shows from the same eras with the same song selections and similar performances, it's like they're "Milking the Turkey", literally.

I'm not such a maniacal completionist where I have to have every single version of MAMU from '72. That's why I wish they would just save most of the early to mid and mid-late '70s shows for big box releases. If enough people want everything releasable from '72, I'm sure a $700 box with the rest of the year would suffice just fine.

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FZ for Deadheads

Hot Rats
Shut and Play Yer Guitar box (3 CDs)
Imaginary Diseases
Trans-Fusion
You Can't Do That on Stage Anymore #2 (skip silly stuff--agreed)
Make A Jazz Noise Here
Zappa Wazoo (not The Grand Wazoo)
Hammersmith Odeon
One Shot Deal
Finer Moments
Road Tapes, Venue #1

Just a start in a massive supply, and skipping lots....

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Irony alert

Spacebro - Re 80's and 90s Dead, you wrote: "Lashing out towards those who don't share your narrow-mindedness only makes you look like bigger assholes than you already are." Ha!

Reminds me of the Austin Powers line "There's only two things I hate: People who are intolerant of other cultures, and the Dutch!"

Not sure if you meant this to be ironic and funny (as Mike Myers did) or if it was meant seriously, in which case it's even funnier! I/we simply state we prefer earlier Dead, and you call us "assholes" who have "lashed out" at you? Wow… OK. We now know how seriously to take your posts.

Re Spring '73 - I believe that number is actually "zero" - the 2/26-26/73 (DP28) release was Winter tour. So NO Spring '73, NO summer '73, and more than half the Fall '73 tour (10+ shows) HAS been released. So I guess that means it's time to release some Spring/Summer '73!!! :D

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stoltzfus, I went to my first Burning Man a few years ago. Ticket was $300 and I left after a couple days. Not my scene, more for extroverted, flamboyant, outgoing types, I think. I'm the opposite. I never overheard a note of Dead music the whole time- just electronic music. Then again, I didn't feel like I "fit in" at last weeks Ratdog concert either. Too many people yelling their inane conversations over "Mission in the Rain", "Friend of the Devil" and even the "Playin in the Band" jam. I gave up and left after the PITB. I thought the "Hardly Strictly Bluegrass" festival in Golden Gate Park a few years ago had a nice welcoming Dead-like vibe, but the crowds are really overwhelming. I guess I sound like an old grouch.

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Re: Thin

"To those who are clamoring for more 80's and 90's - be aware that all these shows are ALL available at archive.org."

Oh, you mean the same place all the 60s-70s shows are, guess they can just stop releasing stuff altogether. :)

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Spacebrother

You said:

"dantian - regardless if you came from my generation or not, that you only attended shows in '87 and '88 and that shows from those years don't do it for you, you are likely one of the last people who should complain about potential releases from that era as almost every release over the last few years have been specifically from the '70s. The embarrassment of wealth is really making a few people here greedy..."

I wasn't complaining, I was responding to your post (your post was full of complaints, by the way).

But "one of the last people?" How so? Are you implying that my opinion is somehow less valid because I only saw shows for a couple of years?

Gosh, that seems rather elitist of you. Aren't you the one always railing against the "elitist snobs" here?

Practice what you preach, Spacebrother.

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it's like this all the time!

but right now it would qualify as P-GD-RS (pre-GD-release syndrome).

does this tie-dye shirt make me look fat?

YOU JUST DON'T CARE! AAAGH! :_(

don't you look at me...

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I read the censored version

I didn't know about the scroll version until researching OTR after reading it.

Gotta search that one out. It makes sense that he would submit it scroll-like.

Dharma Bums: to be read someday soon.

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went to OCF in 90

during a...scattered time for me. OCF was sensory overload, and I had to leave after about an hour.

I've always wanted to go back, though.

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is it always like this.........

......right before a new release ?

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Almost there...

Folks we are almost there...DaP11 announcement should be coming within a week or so I'd hope. Meet Up next week, sun is shining, etc. Let's keep it light.

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spacebro

Like I said . . .

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Music Vault

Hopefully here's something for everyone:

Google's YouTube is getting thousands of new videos featuring historic live concert footage courtesy of a new deal with Music Vault. The live music archive is adding more than 12,000 new clips to a collection that was already at about 1,600 videos. According to YouTube, that all adds up to 2,000 hours of exclusive footage that includes performances by The Rolling Stones, Van Morrison, The Sex Pistols, The Who, and others. More will be added in daily shows, curated playlists, and what Google is promising will be original content.

http://www.theverge.com/2014/7/8/5878991/thousands-of-rare-videos-of-legendary-rock-bands-are-now-on-youtube

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voice-overs in my head......

From here on out when I read someone's angry or desperate rants on here,whatever the subject,the voice that I hear will be like the martians from Mars Attacks. Anything to lighten the vibes.....

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Thank you For B-DAY Wishes

From one Dead Head to MANY.
Let us all be GRATEFUL!!!!

mbarilla, good luck to your boys at 4!

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@stoltzfus

You mentioned the Oregon Country Fair. What's it like these days? I haven't been since the 70's.

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hoo boy

Can we not do this again?

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Tours

There are certain tours within eras that we have plenty of representation from in the official catalog, but others that are sorely underrepresented. Of course, you have to balance that with the quality of playing. So while Spring '86 has no release and Fall '72 has 3, I'd still say the '72 Tour is still more underrepresented, based on the sheer volume of amazing shows there. On the other hand, Fall '73 is a great one, but we have 10 shows from that tour. Same goes for Spring '69 and Summer '74.

Here are the tours that I would like to see more representation from. Just my opinion, of course, and surely to differ from everyone else.

1. Summer and Fall 1970 (not in the Vault, not gonna happen)
2. Spring '73 (just one release, and a PRIME tour)
3. Summer '73 (nothing yet from this goldmine)
4. Fall '67 (formative time for the band with some big jams)
5. Fall '72 (so much going on in October and November)
6. Summer '85 (June and July have some great shows for the period)
7. Spring '74 (We just got DaP 9, but what about February?)

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Addressing the Clique

Geesh, where to start?

dantian - regardless if you came from my generation or not, that you only attended shows in '87 and '88 and that shows from those years don't do it for you, you are likely one of the last people who should complain about potential releases from that era as almost every release over the last few years have been specifically from the '70s. The embarrassment of wealth is really making a few people here greedy.

oxford 88 - interesting that you mention Victim or the Crime at every show. Fortunately by that time in the Dead's touring career, they had amassed such a large volume of material that they didn't perform it at every show. Not even every 3rd or 4th show. '72 on the other hand, almost the entire set list is repeated at every single show. Most every song was performed similarly with barely any deviation in performance making the vast majority of the year a constant source of repetition and rehashing. All great shows but not enough variation for my taste. That's why it feels like every time a '71 or '72 show is released, it's like buying the same album over and over and over again. Your namesake shows from Oxford '88 on the other hand are at or near the top of my official release wish list.

Angry Jack Straw - where to begin with you... Backlash about what I post huh? You are obviously a troll and a douchebag so I will waste few words on you other than to say that you act like a spoiled child who gets everything you want, but act like a complete dickhead towards others who want something you don't like. If Dantian summed it ALL up for you, fine, that's your problem. He didn't sum it up all for me, RV3 and everybody else here who has aired the same concerns with which we have, and there have been many by many people. If you and your asshole clique contingent have nothing better to do than be those idiots who thrive on conflict on internet forums, then you obviously live a sad pathetic existence and need to find other hobbies to occupy your time. You and your couple of other snob pals act like spoiled children and that's how I'm going to treat you and your clique for now on.

The anti-'80/'90ss chump contingency - musical taste is subjective to ones personal taste. It's a sad state of affairs for those here who have such a close-minded attitude regarding their selective era tastes that they have to gang up and bully those around who don't share the exact same views that they do on personal taste. You act like selfish snobs and spoiled children. Lashing out towards those who don't share your narrow-mindedness only makes you look like bigger assholes than you already are.

For the rest of the people here who tend to gravitate towards the first half of the Dead's career as their preference, but are respectful regarding era discussions and debates, thanks for not acting like and joining the ranks among the selfish spoiled child snob clique brigade. Thanks for not being snobbish "Jack" asses of Shakespearian dantian-assed proportions.

I will repeat this as it always gets lost in the conversation shuffle with the above mentioned snobbish chump clique - I like ALL eras of the Dead, the '60s, '70s, '80s and '90s. There are great shows and recordings from every single year and line-up.

Thanks for the support TheeAmazingAce333! The header of your post sums it up perfectly!

ALL GRATEFUL-GODDAMN-DEAD IS GOOD!!!!!!!.....indeed!

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ALL GRATEFUL-GODDAMN-DEAD IS GOOD!!!!!!!

yea, unfortunately only one 92 release...
really dig that show, thought...
and THAT shows how UNBIASED Dick was!!
even from the grave (R.I.P, my brother)
(5.21.92 would be awesome!)
RV3 & SPACEBROTHER have the frigin right, especially HERE ON THIS THREAD, to voice their respective opinions, no matter if any of us agree or not...
so stop telling them to stop...
skip their posts, for christsake...
there are plenty folks posts here i&i pass on...
usually the 'Jack Straw Enforcers' "mr. & angry" how ironic, those names...
and for those CLEARLY uninformed, there are PLENTY awesome shows btwn 92-95...
& speaking of 1994:
3.24.94, 3.27.94 (set:2 post-space!!) 3.28.94 (crazy unique setlist) 3.30.94 (duh!) 7.20.94, 7.31.94, 8.1.94 (the boyz were havin a blast on stage that evening!) 10.5.94, (9.29.94 set:2 IS EPIC!!!) as is ALL OF 10.1.94... my vote for 'Best Show of 1994'
must admit, i&i find most of the 6/94 stuff overrated... balance...
most of that fall 94 MSG run is super solid, go back a few months on the Tapers Section to hear lotsa proof of this... 10.14 (MASSIVE, 23+ min, legendary Fire on the Mountain) 10.15, 10.19 (KILLER set:1) 12.19...
to name a few...
all killer...
saw 31 shows in 1994, so i&i think my views are as valid, if not more so, then those of y'all Vince haters who saw one or two or more likely NO shows then...
no Dave's Pick will probably ever be released from 94, clearly...
although, 10.1.94 could & should make the grade...
always appreciated over the years, how UNBIASED David GANS is...
he plays EVERY era & seems to really dig it all as well...
like right now he has up (#383) bits of 5.21.95...
arguably thee finest performance of Unbroken Chain...
and a dope Spanish Jam>Other One>Days Between...
PLEASE PEOPLE, go give some of this stuff a listen & see what you've been missing... and hopefully some of you will stop dissing...
please,PM me, i'm more than happy to burn any of this stuff for anyone...
...hey 'OTHER' David, you listening????????
and, Chingers were these old school phone-#-dialers (about the size of a cell phone) but, with a quick removal on a component inside, it turned into a 'coin-sound-producing' lil gadget, ie free long distance calls...
aaaaaahhh, the good ol'days...
i'm a Vinny Kid (55 shows!!!) & proud of it, especially knowing many folks on this very thread never got to see even one show... feel for y'all...
ps, just got done with my remastering 7.2.88, filler(s) officially in place, still deciding on giving 7.3.88 the same (meticulous!!) treatment, but that setlist REALLY doesn't do it for me...
jonny361 lemme know if you want me to mail out your copies asap, or if you wanna wait & see what comes of my 7.3 decision...
Comes A Time when the blind man takes your hand...
...says "don't ya see???" ♤

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CSNY

Phil, would love to hear your thoughts and musings, and anyone else's, on the new CSNY release. Is this a must have?

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Waiting?

I really thought we would have had a few hints by now about DP11 and this years box set. Hopefully we will hear something soon.

My copy of the Crosby, Stills, Nash, Young 1974 Tour arrived in the mail today. This will keep me busy listening until DP 11 arrives. I just read some folks talking about Phish. I'm a Phan and love the music, it's an acquired taste. They don't jam like they did in the past, but are still smoking to see live.

Keep cool

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Beatles Mono Release worth checking out

I've always been a Beatles fan. Know almost all the songs by heart. More of a John fan - sang more of the tragic side of things, like the dead...

Point I am trying to make was how different it was listening to the songs in Mono as George Martin and the boys originally mastered it before Capitol Records in the US made them stereo.

Ringo was front and center in the mix, not off to the side like my lp's or initially released cds.

Very Different, very cool, worth checking out...

Gave me a much better appreciation of the silly Beatle...

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Thanks...

Will do. Although not a huge fan I do like 'Tis the season to be jelly-Stockholm 1967. Big Leg Emma, etc. I do have a bunch of Beat the Boots and Roxy. Maybe it's time to try again. Nobody likes a quitter, right?

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90s dead

I myself would really love for them to release a show with so many roads and lazey river road both songs to me are very good dead songs especially smr

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WharfratWhitey - FZ

Check out "You Can't Do That On Stage Anymore, Volume 2" - The Helsinki show. You can skip over the silly parts.

If you just want to hear instrumentals, check out "Shut Up 'N Play Yer Guitar" - the three records are now on a single 3-cd set.

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Saint Jack

Stoltzfus: You just read On The Road. Question: Did you read the original scroll, which is one unbroken uncensored paragraph from cover to cover...with the original names (i.e., Neal Cassady, not Dean Moriarty; Allen Ginsberg, not Carlo Marx, etc.) or did you read the 1957 publisher (Viking)'s "company-style" edited & censored version? It's not bad, but the original scroll is what Jack submitted. Also, if you like On The Road, you should (in my humble opinion) read The Dharma Bums without delay. It's my favorite of his many wonderful works.

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Beat-les...

To each their own I guess. I recognize that they are the most important and well known rock n roll band of all time but...yeaaahhh, it's their music so they can do what they want. As a fan I just personally don't see any reason to buy the reissues again. Because I have most of them already. Same songs, same artwork and arguably better or worse sound. And not cheap either.

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Sam

Happy birthday for tomorrow!

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Re: Beatles Bonus Tracks

WharfratWhitey: I too enjoy bonus tracks on reissues...but when it comes to the Beatles, well, those albums are so infinitely iconic...it almost seems like vandalism to add bonus tracks, sort of like painting new jewelry on the Mona Lisa. There are plenty of really great Beatles bootlegs out there; but as for the original releases, well, maybe they're just too monumentally historic to change (other than remastering original tracks).

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DaP has been cancelled!

http://www.avoidadultresponsiblities.com./et9,s0ek;IBamanchild.

total BS, of course.

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Phish: good; don't listen to them much (too cutesy at times)

Zappa: took me until I was 30 to "get" him. I enjoy a select few of his releases, not "all of it".

Just read "On the Road" for the first time. Gets the wanderlust up. Let's all go to Eugene, and do a make-believe ballroom in the woods!

Isn't the Oregon Country Fair coming up? I won't be able to go to go to go to that until I am a widower (as well as Burning Man...any of y'all been to Burning Man? Again, when I am a widower, retired, and can tolerate desert-like conditions for a week. Actually, I might never go. I hate the hot.)

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Dead End...

The party element that came to the Dead in the 90's was definitely present at most Phish shows on or around 92 and after. I was told by a friend a few years back that when Phish returned from their hiatus many of the hangers on/partiers failed to return. My experience (two shows, one indoors one outdoors) in the last year or so is that he may be right in a way. The crowd seems different. Less abrasive. The atmosphere seems more about fun than it did in the early to mid 90's at least to me. Not all the shows are selling out. People that really want to be there are there. And heck, I got two tix through the lottery and all total it was a $300 plus night for one show with gas, brews, food, etc. Not sure how many working folks can pull it off on a regular basis. Anyhow, concert scenes were never unicorns and rainbows. I know it's only rock n roll but I like it.

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I really enjoy Let It Be

I really enjoy Let It Be Naked. To me it seems an out of character release for the band as well. The Beatles along with Stones reissue the original albums with no bonus tracks or B-Sides. Strange for these times as most people are looking for a little more bang for their buck as well as obscurities and oddities. And obviously arguments can be made for what sounds better, earlier releases on disc or the remastered ones.

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phish

I will wade into the Phish conversation. I gave them a bit of a try after Jerry died, caught two shows (Madison and Alpine). Madison was great and fun, Alpine a bit dragging. At the time in the 1995-97 period, I felt like an old man (only 25-27 y.o. at the time) among kids who were trying to create the Grateful Dead scene with their own generation's band. It just did not seem very genuine and the kids were on the shady side-- not that there wasn't a seedy element to the Dead scene, but somehow this seemed worse. More 14-year old con artists present.

Didn't go back until last year. My brother-in-law is a big Phish-head and has wanted to take me to a show, so I went to one of the summer Chicago shows (3-set Saturday night show). Musically, they are four fine musicians, but their music still leaves me cold. It is emotionless-- at least the GD threw in some blues and standards to go with their jams. The scene also leaves me cold. One quibble-- three set show on a tough lawn and these people never sat down, not even during set breaks! I tried during a set break and almost got trampled.

Okay, Dave's Pick announcement. Soon please!

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Bands choosing what to release

Interesting posts today. I've enjoyed reading all of it.
One thing I do think of on this topic, The Beatles STILL have refused to re-release Let it Be (film). That goes back to 1970! The film has been updated and is superb from what I've heard, but Paul and Ringo have made promises to George and his family to not release it. Again all from hearsay.
Point is, that puppy may not come out til Paul is down the Long and Winding Road.
Have a great day DeadLand....

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Sam

Hey, we all started somewhere. Feel free to call yourself a Dead Head if you want! (I think it's largely about self-definition anyway.)

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Later Era Releases

I don't think it's necessarily a question of quality. I just don't think they were breaking any new ground in music or performance art in the 80's or 90's. That reduces the demand for releases from those decades. Were the concerts fun? Sure. Was the band playing well? Sometimes. Were the new songs OK? Depends on your taste.

Was it cutting edge art and something worth collecting as more than a keepsake? No.

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DaP11

Just a random thought...

DaP11 will be from 78-80. I can feel the warmth of the show. It was either a blistering hot day or it was boiling hot inside the venue. Just a hunch.

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...oooOOO

With Phish I stopped thinking so much about it, the sometimes silly lyrics, sometimes abrasive fans, how I used to see them in smaller venues at a tiny fraction of the current cost and just started enjoying the music again. To each his own I guess, I've tried on several occasions to submerse myself in Zappa and I just cant really do it. Doesn't mean I don't respect his music.

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93-95

The Dead "won't allow Rhino to release shows from 93-95. Too painful for them I suppose"

It's been 20 years… I doubt they're overcome with emotion about releasing this era - I think they realize these shows are not worth releasing, per my previous post. Yes, there were some OK shows (i caught 3 decent shows at the Knick in '93 - 3/27 was fun), but seriously… who wants to anticipate and shadowbox potential future releases only to find out the next show is from 1994 and already available as a good AUD?

To those who are clamoring for more 80's and 90's - be aware that all these shows are ALL available at archive.org. Although these are usually AUD recordings, often these recordings are really good. I'm not saying Dave shouldn't pick any in the future, just that if you feel overlooked, you can scratch that 80's/90's itch at archive.org (and the iPhone app that ties to it - check it out.)

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Re: Ventura '87

My first shows were the Irvine run in April '87, it was such a good year for a young Deadhead (I was 14), somehow I managed to catch 12 shows that year. April 19th Irvine is a killer show with an unusual setlist, great stuff by the way. My memories are very foggy of those Ventura shows but I really loved them at the time and when I had them on DAT they surely lived up to my high expectations. Things may not have been as jammed out as in the 70s but the band was tight and really building towards the big peak that was '89-'90.

But then what do I know, I'm a huge fan of the Vince era. :)

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Ain't my cup o' meat

Phish - Huge respect for these guys - amazing musicians. I too had a Phish phase when Jerry died, but I just can't go there anymore - can't even get into the new album. To my ears the songs lack any meaningful lyrics/themes/depth, and Trey's guitar tone lacks a certain amount of gravitas/weight - just kind of a fuzzy hologram instead of a solid guitar tone you can hang your hat on. Great band, great scene - just not my bag.

RE: Later-era releases - I listened to the Dick's Picks from 1992 yesterday in my car. I spent more time holding my breath hoping Jerry could make it through the next hook without any guitar/vocal flubs than I did relaxing and enjoying it, which is exhausting. Jerry seems like he's struggling to keep up with the band rather than leading them. It landed in my back seat after <20 minutes. I don't mind the occasional late-era release, but it has to be something very special…

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Oooooo....

Not trying to turn this into a Phish forum folks. Just getting that out there now. The Dead is Tops for me and this thread typically touches on multiple topics. A good starting point IMO would be any live releases from '97 forward. I enjoy a few studio albums now and then like Junta, Lawn Boy and Farmhouse. The new album Fuego is really good. Phish is still Phresh and playing great music. The beauty is they are happening now, still. I'm truly glad I dove back in. Peace.

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93-95

Thanks Fennario - I didn't know that!