Dave's Picks Volume 10: Thelma, Los Angeles, CA 12/12/69 - SOLD OUT
The last of a three-night run at a mysterious little club called "Thelma" found the Grateful Dead restoring glory to the Sunset Strip for what was once just a fleeting moment, now preserved for eternity with this here Dave's Picks Volume 10. Hot off the release of the highly-acclaimed Live/Dead and setting the stage for Workingman's Dead, 12/12/69 stands to represent the crux of the band's musical past, present, and future. Witness the first signs of country, folk, and Americana infiltrating an otherwise wildly experimental and anarchic period, evidenced by Pigpen-driven classics like "I'm A King Bee," "Hard To Handle," "Good Lovin'" and a whopping 30 minute+ version of "Turn On Your Lovelight," as well as over a half dozen then-new compositions which show the Garcia/Hunter songwriting duo elevating the Dead to higher ground. Thelma turns the heat up indeed!
Mastered in HDCD from the original soundboard recordings produced by Owsley Stanley, featuring the once lost, now found first reel, this is one full show you won't want to miss. Pre-order it here and now!
3 Disc set
Limited to 14,000 individually numbered copies
Mastered to HDCD specs by Jeffrey Norman
Digipak made of 100% recycled and PCW materials
Release Date: May 1, 2014
Thelma, Los Angeles, CA 12/12/69
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the oct 72 stuff is outrageous, and there's pieces of 1980 gainesville(!!!) and 1987 ventura. something for everyone
speaking of phish, i never did try
the only tunes ive heard are on XM jam on station, none of which i liked
where would one start?
I think Dave said the band members won't allow Rhino to release shows from 93-95. Too painful for them I suppose. I don't see that changing anytime soon.
You pretty much concisely summed it all up. Thank you.
My tenure following the band extended quite a bit longer than yours, but the outcome is the same. The shows were a blast, but the music simply does not compare.
Spacebro, next time you are intent on spewing your nonsensical gibberish, again, please re-read dantanian's post first. Any backlash you receive for posting anyway, is self-induced.
Lastly, Phish just doesn't get it done. I went to school with those boys and they were not even the best band on campus. They just hung around longer.
Have another piece of pie.
In the great debate about releases from the 70s and 80s I'm usually in the 69-78 camp. I only ever saw the Brent incarnation - from 1981 and 1990 when they came to London and Paris - and for a long time listened mainly to music from this era, but nowadays my listening and appreciation of the band's music is from the 70s. Considering the availability of releasable good quality shows, I don't think that, overall, any era has been too badly under-represented. For the 80s and 90s we've had numerous Views from the Vaults, Downloads, Road Trips and Dicks Picks not to mention a big Spring 1990 box and Formerly the Warlocks. There has been a tendency to ignore the period from 1993 when all the later, great songs such as So Many Roads came out and I'd be disappointed if the spring of 1993 didn't get a little more love some time. It wasn't all bad, honest!
However, we are talking about the Dave's Picks series and just one pick from 10 which has strayed into the 80s seems a little tough. I wouldn't want to see a quota system because the criteria for releases should always about quality rather than chronology, but I would expect a few more release, a bit more regularly, from outside the golden era.
I got into Phish in late 1990 and saw my first show in 1991. After 1994 I kind of lost interest for whatever reasons and stopped listening and going to shows. A kid I worked with a couple years ago was into them and after talking with him and hearing his enthusiasm started me listening again. I'm forever grateful to him and realize that I missed many years of awesome music. Thank god for live recordings. Last Fall was my first show in 19 years and It was a blast. Opening night of summer tour in Mansfield was a very tight show. Their new album is very good. I recommend to any ex-pats or newbies to get on the sub! Peace.
San Fran and Oakland started a Bay area baseball series last night through Wed. Dave might be tied up until then. I have been a huge fan of the dead since the mid 80's when my counsin had shoeboxes full of Dead tapes. Like a person starting to drink wine, it takes year's for his palate to fully appreciate the depth, body, and soul of a fine wine. I started enjoying the sound of the Dead by conventional methods, Started with Skeletons, and a few other standard studio cd's. A few days ago someone posted that they had been at the 89' RFK show in the rain. I was in college in 89 in Virginia and a few fellas asked me if I wanted to go to the show. I was not big buddies with these guys, so I declined. I just remember when they came back all they talked about was how it began to rain at the beginning of the second set and the Dead began to play LLR. I transfered to UGA the next year and continued my appreciation of TGD. In 90' I purchased Without a Net. I gave that cd a spin many o time waxing nostalgic when listining to LLR. As the years passed by, I always regretted not going to the 89 RFK show. Never saw the Dead live. However, as i have matured, but never grown old, my love affair with the TGD has grown to epic proprtions. I do not claim to be a Deadhead as that would be an insult to all those faithfull followers spanning 4 decades. I hear people complaining about not getting 80's releases. I myself always loved the 70-72 time frame, then about ten years ago my Dead groove expanded to 67-69. A few years later, I began to fully appreciate and enjoy 73-74. And just recently have started to expand my horrizons to 76-77. (I know shocking it has taken me 25 years to get into 77'Dead). I actually think i prefer Donna singing 2nd in LLR. Gives the song a tad more depth.
I will be 45 tomorrow and believe my appreciation and understanding, much like life, will continue to grow for TGD. I find it funny that many of the kinder more thoughtful posters have seen far more Dead shows throughout all decades than the bitchers and moaners. Whatever Dave puts out in the future how dare I compain. If it is not your cup of tea, don't buy it. As for the subscription, again much like life, there r no guarantees for any particular shows to be released. So let us all enjoy the ride!!!!
On another note, I have noticed some sites have DP cd's listed at (decent) prices; however, they r being shipped from Japan. Has anyone purchased a cd from Japan and were u satisfied.
Bring on number 11 Dave!!!!!!!
Maybe it's the fact that I am on vacation, drinking a good cup of coffee with no plans for the day, but this morning's batch of comments has been particularly entertaining. Breaking them down into set list format:
Breakouts: dissident 1980's link was outstanding and I may never think of Queen Elizabeth the same way.
Fun but often heard first set stuff about release dates and expectations.
Points that really hit home. Right there with you Dantian re: 87. Had the time of my life at a couple dozen shows, but the music, for the most part, has not held up very well.
Thee Amazing Ace provides us with a prolonged jam that drifts a bit, but is ultimately well played and satisfying with a couple of great reprises to pull us back in again
RV 3's always intense, potentially unhinged bursts remind me of some of Brent's best and/or most bizarre moments. Did anyone else catch the Blow Away when he stood up behind his keys and spewed profanely for a couple of bars? I think it was in Albany.
Space Bro continues his Victim or the Crime riff. I can take it once in a while, but not every show.
The Jack Straws provide well, Jack Straw-like interplay and tension as Jerry rides off to Tulsa to settle up.
Looking back, the emotions of the whole process, getting tickets, traveling, hanging out and going to the shows were similar. So here we are... One big cranky, fun, eccentric family, waiting for the next announcement. I need to hear Eileen Law say: "Thank you for calling and stay in touch"
Dave's Picks 11 will be shipping in a three and a half weeks. Plus, don't they often make announcements on Tuesdays?
Regarding Phish, it seems like the Fuego title track was inspired by Django Django...
I remember a friend having a cassette of the sound the coins made as they dropped into the pay phone, and playing that sound (via Walkman + headphones) back into the pay phone receiver and it registering as money being put into the phone.
Is that what you're talking about? If so, damn, what a blast from the past, dude. I had forgotten all about that.
'87 just doesn't do it for me. It's funny though, I only saw the Dead in 87-88, as I am likely from the same generation as you and was coming of age at that time, and had an amazing time going to those shows, but much rather see more 70's releases.
As great as it was to be at those '87 shows in person, when I listen to them on the archive they really can't compare to the 70's stuff I listen to and marvel at.
The performances from the Ventura '87 clips from the "Taper's Section" over the last couple of weeks really shows that the Grateful Dead, and particularly Jerry were out doing themselves in every possible way. THAT is the stuff they should be releasing.
Years ago, many of my Deadhead peers raved about how great the the '87 Ventura run was and among some of the best shows they ever saw and/or heard, and many of those folks had been going to shows since the early '70s and went on almost every tour.
Rediscovering them after many years of not listening to the '87 Ventura recordings has been somewhat of an epiphany for me. Though at the time, I had been going to shows since '84, and a couple in '86, it was the '87 shows I saw that made me a lifer Dead fan. The Ventura clips brought that back for me. Hook set and reeled in.
Regarding some of the commentary expressed on these boards towards others who share their concerns, opinions, gripes, requests for releases from certain eras outside of the so-called "status quo"...it's too bad that there are a clique of a few individuals here who have the tendency to gang-up on other people posting here. It's childish schoolyard mentality bully tactic activity. It goes against the very communal spirit of the Grateful Dead and is reflective of very snobbish behavior.
If somebody chooses to express their dissatisfaction with what is being released, there's no need or reason to belittle or disrespect them. In doing so, all you people are doing is making yourselves look like dicks.
One more point for the soap box.
The initial announcement and unveiling of the Dave's Picks series with it's list of prime choice concert dates from throughout the bands career left the notion that the series would cover a wide variety of ground from different eras. Fast forward to 2.5 years and 10 releases into the series, and it's predominantly one era with a couple of teasers from the Pigpen and Brent eras.
Now I don't know what the process of choices and elimination entails in it's entirety by Dave and tptb, but to me it feels like the most crucial step of objectivity is missing. This model works perfectly fine if you are among those who only like the era that has been the primary focus of the series so far, but not so much for those who either like all eras or those who only like eras outside of this focal point so far.
I consider myself to be in the camp that likes all eras, but has a preference for the second half of a 30 year window.
I'm sure that once the card carrying members of the above mentioned clique reads this post, they will pounce at the opportunity to make themselves look like jerks.
they move me deeply nowadays...
so, yea my phishy days are long over...
and that's okay...
saw 25 or so shows back then...
saw a few of what phishfolks consider their best shows they ever did...
(12.30/31.95 MSG come to mind...)
they are all killer musicians...
so it's no surprise they're killin it right now...
good on 'em...
...but, they just ain't my cup-a meat (stick, TERRIBLE TUNE!!!)
btw, love all the John Peel intro's in between songs during the Floyd 9.30.71 BBC show... classic shite... the whole show... ♤
....you "used to dig 'em"....did I get that right?! Well, maybe you should "get 'em again". The Wheel is turning...and that applies to most music....catch that spoke when you can....
.agreed on Echoes...check out Water's Amused to Death disc. Esp. track 4....
as far as chingers go....no, not really. Was usually sitting, tripping balls in the hotel room with friends. Sleeping bag monsters!! Listening to last nights show...
mad, crazy lines @ the payphone areas of Days Inns, Holiday Inns, Motel 6s, etc just to call your people about setlists/breakouts, where to meet @ the next show and/or city... madness, those lil electronic phone-call-stealers they were... it was always funny towards the end when the operator would come on & say (all bitchy) "are you going to enter any ACTUAL money??"
hehehe... miss those shady, sketchy dayz...
PINK FLOYD~live~9.30.71~London/BBC/John Peel: ECHOES!!!!!!!!!!!
some of thee finest music you will ever listen to... especially between minutes 9 & 13... put on headphones for that, then get them off!
y'all been warned...
and as for the phish... eh...
fun band, ZERO depth...
used to dig 'em 92-95...
after that, not so much...
btw, Mt. Jack Straw, stop acting like your the 'voice' of this thread...
you only post to say "hey, you stop that!"
YOU need to get over yourself...
ps...THANK YOU BROTHER BRIAN HAHNE FOR MY MINT CONDITION Dave's #1... ♤
Long Distance Run-naaaa, Whatchoo Standin' There Fo...
Get Up, Get On, Get Outta the Door!!
.....Happy Birthday Ringo!!! You lucky muther-f**Ker....
...Phish's Fuego release is something to behold. If Devotion to a Dream isn't Phish covering a Dead tune then count me out. Halfway To The Moon is also spectacular. Did I mention 555? Even my wife was bobbing her head to to that one...and that's saying a lot. Here's hoping they make their way to Vegas in the fall. Fellow posters, listen to this release and check in. Phish eased the pain in '95-'96. I can't deny it. And they responded in spades. Late '90's Phish was epic.....you can't ignore a solid Weekapaugh......
As most things in life are cyclical the DaPs threads are no different. Must be getting near to DaP announcement time, the natives are getting restless. Maybe it was the long winter we had or all the speculation, but I'm going to put the announcement for DaP10 on the top of my list of most excruciatingly painful waits for announcement. We will all be smiling soon I'm sure.
They've been promising us the Roxy video for 15 or 16 years now if not more.
"I cannot bring myself to go to dead.net's forums. First, because they're impossible to find; and second, nothing can be released/announced/rumored over there without releasing the Kraken that is: the 80's Truther. Unearth a trove from the late-60's? 80's Truther wants to know why you're keeping 1983's glories under wraps."
... and other gems
and he's crumbling, with only a week or so to a DP announcement. Is it okay that I'm laughing?! This guy will go berserk no matter what is released, unless Dave personally takes a DAT from the '80s and inserts it where RV3's sun don't shine.
And since when is another box a given? Yeah, it'll probably happen. But we're on Dave's schedule and he rarely fails to produce well-curated releases with amazing music.
You. Just. Have. To. Wait...................
The Zappa Family Trust comment was funny...and true. I think they really do not want FZ' stuff to become popular or known---then the cachet of being into FZ would be lost.
Bob Was back in the saddle last night so all must be well. If you havent seen Ratdog yet just go. Well worth it.
I see Winterland June 1977 box must have sold out in the past couple weeks or so, as it's no longer listed on the site.
And using Star Dark's add to cart method, looks like there are fewer than 40 copies of Winterland 1973 boxes left.
Glad I picked both of them up when I did.
Grab the Winterland 1973 box now if you still don't have it...
RV3 - I just cracked my jaw yawning over your post! Now I'm bummed out too.
"They are the slowest, most tedious group with getting anything out"
I take it you're not familiar with the ZFT.
Why on earth do you continue to post here? You do nothing but whine and complain about how you don't like anything that has been released?
No one here wants to hear it.
So again, why must this continue?
if everyone had your attitude, and i was the "TPTB", i'd tell you to take your whining entitlement home and shut the vault for good. good lord i am glad i don't have to deal with the general public any more...
have a nice day
i recommend a nice 73 2nd set and a tall glass of self-awareness
They are the slowest, most tedious group with getting anything out...maybe they are waiting until the night at the movies for the box set news, I bet it isn't even Spring'90 #2...I bet they put out yet another box set release from 1971-1973...no need to fight it or argue my opinion, TPTB DON'T LIKE THE 1980s...DP#11 is probably that Fall 1972 show, that's what DL likes...
The most annoying painfully slow wait with dead.net is the lame home page STIL featuring: Spring 1990 box set, Road Trips digital, Sunshine Daydream, and Europe '72 box set..as the featured releases. Most of these have been sold out for a year, and all of them were released over a year ago....they really need to update & release new material, I guess it's their world...but damn guess who's paying for all this shit. YOU WOULD THINK they would recognize fans that are eager for new material
These are in my top 50% of Dead originals. Both music and words. LLR=cheesy? Never had your heart broken? BTW=beautiful images and wise line after wise line.
Words by Barlow, by the way.
My recollection is the announcement comes about 4 weeks before they start to ship which in this case I believe to be July 14-15 announcement and shipping starting around August 6th. It's always nice to have something in pipeline!
Edit: I received my DaP7 shipping Notification on 7/31/13. Usually arrives in a few days after. Excited for something new!
I agree with your theory about the date of the announcement for Dave's Pick 11. July 11 2014, if not that's OK, nothing held against you. Anything is possible.
Were those Betty Boards returned? I thought there was just the idea that they might negotiate?
Just find this interesting and there is a fellow on here lobbying for the release of Gainesville 1980, with which I fully agree. The logic of not releasing has been that the original reels were not in the vault. In the Taper's Section this week is the latter half of the first set from that great 11-29-80 show. It sounds quite nice.
Perhaps they were in the Betty Boards that were returned? Maybe Red Rocks 1978 also made it home? Merely speculation on my part, but interesting.
DaP10 was announced on the 10th; DaP8 was announced on the 8th....not sure if it holds up, but my guess is it will be announced on the 11th!
Didn't Bob have an illness around this time last year -- fell off his chair while playing a show? Hope all is well for him.
Y'all be cool.
Wow that is bad to hear. Talking with a buddy just the other day about the fact that a lot of our favs are now in the 70 yo range. Fact is they won't be with us a whole lot longer. Very Sad.
Hope BW pulls through whatever is troubling him.
Hard to believe our 60's icons are as old now as they are.
Last night Bob Weir was scheduled to perform with RatDog at The Palms casino and hotel in Las Vegas, but fans attending the show were in for a shock when the show went on without the Grateful Dead guitarist. Weir was "under the weather" according to a tweet from the venue, which also offered refunds to all ticketholders.
According to fan reports, the audience was told Weir was ill and advised not to perform. No further information on Bobby's condition has been announced via Weir or the band's social media accounts. Weir and RatDog are scheduled to play Humphrey's Concerts By The Bay in San Diego, CA this evening.
Was that a serious question? I have no idea - check for yourself. I've got better things to do than flip 40 copies of something on eBay!
Not a big fan of flippers, on RSD a guy was trying to get everything from GD to today current pop music. Just to make an easy dollar. A few people in line behind me missed out on their favorite bands at retail price because Flipper McGhee had been camping out all night. I know the owner of the record store a little , so the white vinyl Garcia did not go to him because the flippers list was so random. And that's all I was out for. Hopefully RSD can put out more copies of stuff, so their is more access and less jacked up prices
There's such a treasury of astounding Grateful Dead shows (from all eras) available on YouTube & other archival sources; still, I get irreplaceable value from owning the (officially released) discs I do...my own library on a shelf...of magical GD wealth.
Sort of like books...I like to actually have them, physically, on a shelf, rather than read them on a flat screen and then delete.
I tried the same "cart trick" with a few other things. Less than 50 "Road Trip 1.4"... less than 40 "Road Trip 4.1"... etc. etc.
Unless I'm doing something wrong, it appears that quite a few official releases will soon be sold out. eBay scalpers are gonna have a field day.
Show smokes! Get it!
Somehow I think we'll hear after the Meet up at the Movies event. Just a guess. And next box set? I'm hoping the Ark shows from 1969.
Wow, Star Dark, great work. If anyone has long been considering purchasing Terrapin Limited I guess now is the time. I don't often reach for my 80s/90s releases but this one gets the most play out of them all at my house. Great show, great release.
Thin, thanks for the link to the DeKalb show; hadn't heard that in quite awhile and it's awfully good. I'll get around to your 85 suggestion eventually.
Bobaloo, I don't dislike Row Jimmy but somehow I gather that I don't enjoy it nearly as much as many others do...not quite sure why. I do really dig the versions with Donna, though.
While we're waiting... got bored and thought I'd see how many copies of Terrapin Limited could be stuffed in a Dead.net shopping cart. 75 "exceeded available inventory..." so did 73... and 71... but 70 worked. Unbelievably, it appears the Dead crew is down to its last 70 copies or so of this "limited edition" released a gazillion years ago(!)
Fantastic, REALLY great show. Get 'em while they're hot! :o)
My opinion is this announcement will come sometime in the two week period of July 7th (Monday) thru July 18th (Friday). What show: I don't know, but I'll like it without any complaints. I bought the 2014 Subscription, at the Early Bird Price, so I'm happy.
What I'd like to see officially released, now in 2014 or in 2015, is 7/27-28/73 Watkins Glen, just the Dead's part. The 3rd set / encore of Not Fade Away, Mountain Jam, Johnny B. Goode with members of Allman Bros. Band & The Band would be too much to ask, but look what happened with Sunshine Daydream, 8/27/72. Anything is possible.
My 7/27/73 is a patchwork of a variety of sources, that's my reason for this public request.