Grateful Dead

Pacific Northwest ’73-’74: The Complete Recordings Boxed Set


Digital Download

6 Complete Shows On 19 Discs
• 6/22/73 P.N.E. Coliseum, Vancouver, B.C.
• 6/24/73 Portland Memorial Coliseum, Portland, OR
• 6/26/73 Seattle Center Arena, Seattle, WA
• 5/17/74 P.N.E. Coliseum, Vancouver, B.C.
• 5/19/74 Portland Memorial Coliseum, Portland, OR
• 5/21/74 Hec Edmundson Pavilion, University of Washington, Seattle, WA
Mastered in HDCD from the original master tapes by Jeffrey Norman at Mockingbird Mastering
Masters transferred and restored by Plangent Processes
Original Art by First Nations Artist Roy Henry Vickers
Photos by Richie Pechner
Individually Numbered, Limited Edition of 15,000

Includes an immediate digital download of "Eyes Of The World (P.N.E. Coliseum, Vancouver, Canada 5/17/74)"

"We were in the Pacific Northwest...between somewhere in Washington and some other where in Oregon. The road took us to the lip on a ridge, from where we could see around us for many miles in all directions … It was breathtaking to behold, but as we watched, we had a firm realization that we were witnessing something even more beautiful than our eyes could ever take in … Life causes life. Heaven and Earth dance in this way endlessly, and their child is the forest. And so there we were, epiphanously watching that grandest and most glorious dance of life—of which we are just a tiny part—awed by a magnificence without beginning, without end..."

Bob Weir, “Sell Headwaters—Everyone Wins,” San Francisco Chronicle

The Pacific Northwest offers up a rich feast of land, sky, and water. It is ripe with influences, abundant with symbols, deep and spirited. It should, therefore, come as no surprise that the Grateful Dead played some of their most inspired shows on these fertile grounds. It does, however, sometimes take a breath for the elements to re-align years later. It seems for us, they finally have and we are able to present not just a glimpse of the band's extraordinary exploratory tour through the region, but a two-tour bounty as the PACIFIC NORTHWEST ’73-’74: THE COMPLETE RECORDINGS.

For PACIFIC NORTHWEST ’73-’74: THE COMPLETE RECORDINGS, we've paired two short runs made up of six previously unreleased shows - P.N.E. Coliseum, Vancouver, B.C. (6/22/73); Portland Memorial Coliseum, Portland, OR (6/24/73); Seattle Center Arena, Seattle, WA (6/26/73); P.N.E. Coliseum, Vancouver, Canada (5/17/74); Portland Memorial Coliseum, Portland, OR (5/19/74); and Hec Edmundson Pavilion, University of Washington, Seattle, WA (5/21/74). Each show has been mastered in HDCD from the original master tapes by Jeffrey Norman at Mockingbird Mastering. The transfers from the masters were transferred and restored by Plangent Processes, further ensuring that this is the best, most authentic that these shows have ever sounded.

PACIFIC NORTHWEST ’73-’74: THE COMPLETE RECORDINGS comes in an ornate box created by Canada’s preeminent First Nations artist Roy Henry Vickers (more on this tremendous artist soon). To complement the music, the set also includes a 64-page book with an in-depth essay by Grateful Dead scholar Nicholas G. Meriwether and photos by Richie Pechner.

Due September 7th, this release is limited to 15,000 individually numbered copies and available exclusively from You'll want to grab a copy while you can and sit back, relax, and enjoy all the exclusive content we'll be rolling out over the next few weeks.

Looking for something a little more byte-sized? The collection will also be available for HD digital download in FLAC and ALAC, exclusively at, on release day. You can pre-order it now too.

Get it while you can.

Listening Party, 5/17/74

"Chinacat Sunflower>I Know You Rider"
"Sugar Magnolia"

Seaside Chat: David Lemieux On Vancouver 5/17/74

Listening Party, 6/26/73

"Playing In The Band"
"Here Comes Sunshine"

Seaside Chat: David Lemieux On Seattle 6/26/73

Listening Party, 6/24/73

"Looks Like Rain"
"Stella Blue"

Seaside Chat: David Lemieux On Portland 6/24/73

Listening Party, 6/22/73

"Bird Song"
"He's Gone"

Seaside Chat: David Lemieux On Vancouver 6/22/73

First Listen: "Truckin'>Jam>Not Fade" 5/19/74

Seaside Chat: David Lemieux On Pacific Northwest

Product Details

Show #1
P.N.E. Coliseum, Vancouver, B.C. (6/22/73)

Disc 1
1. Bertha [6:30]
2. Beat It On Down The Line [3:41]
3. Deal [5:00]
4. Mexicali Blues [4:02]
5. Box Of Rain [5:47]
6. Bird Song [14:29]
7. The Race Is On [3:17]
8. Sugaree [8:05]
9. Looks Like Rain[7:34]
10. Row Jimmy [9:22]
11. Jack Straw [5:01]

Disc 2
1. China Cat Sunflower> [8:39]
2. I Know You Rider [5:48]
3. Big River [5:01]
4. Tennessee Jed[8:00]
5. Playing In The Band[18:59]
6. Here Comes Sunshine [12:25]
7. Promised Land [2:58]
8. Brown-Eyed Women[5:30]
9. El Paso [4:33]

Disc 3
1. Black Peter [9:23]
2. Greatest Story Ever Told [5:00]
3. Big Railroad Blues[3:56]
4. He's Gone> [11:24]
5. Truckin'> [26:06]
6. The Other One [15:22]
7. Wharf Rat[8:05]

Disc 4
1. Sugar Magnolia [9:57]
2. Casey Jones [7:31]
3. Johnny B. Goode [3:56]

Show #2
Portland Memorial Coliseum, Portland, OR (6/24/73)

Disc 5
1. Promised Land [3:43]
2. Loser[7:09]
3. Mexicali Blues[3:53]
4. They Love Each Other [5:48]
5. Looks Like Rain[7:52]
6. Box Of Rain[5:30]
7. Big Railroad Blues[4:20]
8. Jack Straw [5:02]
9. Sugaree [7:24]
10. The Race Is On[3:27]
11. Row Jimmy [8:30]
12. Beat It On Down The Line [3:30]
13. China Cat Sunflower> [6:47]
14. I Know You Rider [5:05]

Disc 6
1. Around And Around[5:06]
2. Mississippi Half-Step Uptown Toodeloo [8:44]
3. You Ain’t Woman Enough [3:42]
4. El Paso [4:35]
5. Stella Blue[7:57]
6. Greatest Story Ever Told>[5:04]
7. Bertha[6:12]
8. Big River [4:47]

Disc 7
1. Dark Star> [27:46]
2. Eyes Of The World> [15:40]
3. China Doll [6:38]
4. Sugar Magnolia [9:40]
5. One More Saturday Night [5:16]

Show #3
Seattle Center Arena, Seattle, WA (6/26/73)

Disc 8
1. Casey Jones> [6:01]
2. Greatest Story Ever Told [5:33]
3. Brown-Eyed Women [5:47]
4. Jack Straw [5:04]
5. Box Of Rain [5:35]
6. Deal [4:23]
7. Mexicali Blues [4:08]
8. You Ain't Woman Enough [3:47]
9. Row Jimmy [9:06]
10. The Race Is On [3:34]
11. China Cat Sunflower> [8:08]
12. I Know You Rider [6:00]
13. Beat It On Down The Line [3:28]
14. Loser [6:50]

Disc 9
1. Playing In The Band [15:49]
2. Bertha [5:56]
3. Promised Land [3:27]
4. They Love Each Other [5:46]
5. El Paso [4:28]
6. Black Peter [9:18]
7. Big River [4:58]
8. Here Comes Sunshine [11:58]
9. Me And My Uncle [3:11]

Disc 10
1. He's Gone> [13:59]
2. Truckin'> [10:55]
3. The Other One> [6:33]
4. Me And Bobby McGee> [5:25]
5. The Other One> [18:06]
6. Sugar Magnolia [10:03]
7. Johnny B. Goode [3:56]

Show #4
P.N.E. Coliseum, Vancouver, Canada (5/17/74)

Disc 11
1. The Promised Land [3:33]
2. Deal [4:45]
3. The Race Is On [3:34]
4. Ramble On Rose [6:56]
5. Jack Straw [5:16]
6. Dire Wolf [5:28]
7. Beat It On Down The Line [3:53]
8. Loose Lucy [5:07]
9. Big River [5:22]
10. It Must Have Been The Roses [5:47]
11. Mexicali Blues [3:48]
12. Row Jimmy [8:59]

Disc 12
1. Playing In The Band [23:07]
2. U.S. Blues [6:09]
3. Me And My Uncle [3:17]
4. Ship Of Fools [6:27]
5. Money Money [4:45]
6. China Cat Sunflower> [8:20]
7. I Know You Rider [5:22]

Disc 13
1. Greatest Story Ever Told [5:27]
2. Sugaree [8:18]
3. Truckin’>[9:56]
4. Nobody’s Fault But Mine>[5:14]
5. Eyes Of The World> [13:19]
6. China Doll [6:01]
7. Sugar Magnolia [9:21]

Show #5
Portland Memorial Coliseum, Portland, OR (5/19/74)

Disc 14
1. Missisippi Half-Step Uptown Toodeloo[8:14]
2. Mexicali Blues[3:58]
3. Big Railroad Blues [3:57]
4. Black-Throated Wind [7:08]
5. Scarlet Begonias [5:12]
6. Beat It On Down The Line [3:47]
7. Tennessee Jed[8:27]
8. Me And Bobby Mcgee[6:02]
9. Sugaree[7:31]
10. Jack Straw [5:23]
11. It Must Have Been The Roses [5:28]
12. El Paso [4:35]
13. Loose Lucy [5:07]
14. Money Money [4:27]

Disc 15
1. China Cat Sunflower> [8:34]
2. I Know You Rider [5:40]
3. Promised Land> [3:37]
4. Bertha> [6:08]
5. Greatest Story Ever Told[6:10]
6. Ship Of Fools [6:36]
7. Weather Report Suite> [17:58]
8. Wharf Rat [10:49]
9. Big River [5:36]
10. Peggy-O [8:11]

Disc 16
1. Truckin'> [9:15]
2. Jam> [9:58]
3. Not Fade Away>[6:58]
4. Goin' Down The Road Feeling Bad [6:59]
5. One More Saturday Night [5:36]
6. U.S. Blues [5:37]

Show #6
Hec Edmundson Pavilion, University of Washington, Seattle, WA (5/21/74)

Disc 17
1. Me And My Uncle [3:25]
2. Brown-Eyed Women [5:20]
3. Beat It On Down The Line [3:47]
4. Deal [4:55]
5. Mexicali Blues [3:59]
6. It Must Have Been The Roses [5:45]
7. The Race Is On [3:34]
8. Scarlet Begonias [5:55]
9. El Paso [4:56]
10. Row Jimmy [9:25]
11. Money Money [5:01]
12. Ship Of Fools [6:18]

Disc 18
1. Weather Report Suite> [17:22]
2. China Doll[5:48]
3. Playing In The Band[46:59]
4. U.S. Blues [5:47]

Disc 19
1. Big River [5:24]
2. Stella Blue [8:40]
3. Around And Around [5:25]
4. Eyes Of The World> [13:52]
5. Wharf Rat> [9:45]
6. Sugar Magnolia [10:03]
7. Johnny B. Goode [4:08]


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chilly1214's picture
Joined: Nov 19 2010
Ebox Shipping

If I recall correctly, my Thirty Trips arrived in a few weeks and it even had tracking info which was nice. Dave's 6 arrived before U.S, subscribers received their's. Depending on the year Dave's have arrived anywhere from 2 weeks to 38 days. The last couple of years have been the longest ship times. GSTL took a month, Don't remember how long the other boxes took. Ever since they started sending items to Europe first(Swiss Post postmarks now on items) then from there they get sent here to Australia, shipping times have increased. Hopefully the Pacific Box gets sent direct, which would mean about two weeks. But you never know. One should also factor in how many Australian orders there are. I would guess at least 10-15. Now if we had several thousand orders shipping would be different. It's all about cost. International standard shipping on the Pacific box is $53.99. An oversized package. I'd gladly pay an extra $50 on my Dave's sub just to get them in two weeks time.

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Joined: Sep 21 2015

I also have discovered some cool stuff on these threads, so here's some non-dead stuff that I have discovered in the last few years (it's not all new, but it was new to me).

Ten Years After - A Space in Time, pretty cool. I was familiar with I'd Love to Change the World, but the rest of the album did it for me. Who knew there were 2 great albums from 1971 that started with a song titled One of These Days.

William Onyeabor - Who is William Onyeabor?, funky. Discovered it through the song Fantastic Man when it appeared on an iPhone or Apple commercial and got stuck in my ear to the extent that I picked up the album.

Funkadelic - Maggot Brain, the title song just does it, first time that heard it, didn't know what to expect but found myself in bliss on the couch. Yeah, something about Maggot Brain just really, really does it for me.

Tame Impala - Lonerism, the song mind mischief is the one that stands out for me, but the whole album just flows nice. Highly processed, layered sounds with a cool vibe. The more recent album Currents is also cool.

Melody Prochet - Melody's Echo Chamber, includes collaboration with the guy from Tame Impala, dig the singers voice, cool background music.

Chris Joss - Sticks, instrumental stuff, discovered it when the song Tune Down was the background music for a scene on Better Call Saul featuring Mike and the Kettleman folks.

I don't know whether or not you'll dig any of it, but there it is for what it's worth.

Joined: Apr 23 2008
Dark star

My apologies didn't realize you needed 1 syllable comic book reading to understand something. The answer is I oppose violence but also oppose the brain police deciding words are violence. Dumbed down enough for you? Here's a suggestion start reading and listening to Frank Zappa. There might be hope yet

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Joined: Nov 11 2017

Here's the other thing. There's regular shipping and there is expedited shipping if you paid the extra 4 bucks right. How much sooner the expedited people will get theirs.

Joined: Jun 19 2007

So what’s that mean for you folks across the pond,...November ; )
That has to suck having to wait, but not get biased by all our pro/con gibberish.

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Joined: Jun 7 2007
Release date...

Oroborous was correct, despite his boiled brain. My order confirmation mail states the release date as 9/7/2018.

Joined: Jun 19 2007

I want to say I heard the release is the 7th? I think I remeber that because I immediately thought “they usually come a bit early, so maybe we’d have in time for the holiday weekend”...
But I am old and “ my brain is boiled and my reason is spent” ; )

Joined: Jun 19 2007
Soul Jazz

Got way into Soul Jazz a few years back. AKA “Acid Jazz” but I don’t Cotten to that moniker...
Donald “Black” Bird, Melvin Sparks, Idris Muhammad, Deodato, the Mighty Burner, Groover Washington before he went all Kenny G, love that shit. Jazz with a back beat! Some of it can get a little syrupy, but some, pheeww, hot stuff. Always thought some of what Merl & Jer we’re throwing down fit right in with that more than being “straight Jazz”...

Joined: Jun 19 2007
Alt Country

Dam, reminds me to check out some Uncle Tupelo, haven’t in for ever. Will have to check out the Silos....

Joined: Mar 23 2009
Recomendations for mr Streng

Not doing the last 5 shuffle, but how about modern Turkish psych? If so try Baba Zula, nice double cd overview with a twist, title? :XX.


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Joined: Nov 11 2017

I didn't get a clear answer on whether you think free speech protection applies to kids who verbally abuse other kids at school. This is a yes / no question, so do not pontificate and obfuscate in your response (this clouds your message).

Joined: Apr 23 2008
Uncle sam and ignorance is bliss

Where do I begin. You equate polilital discussion/ disagreements with being anti free speech there's a safe spot at each university where you can cry softly. You call me a liar when I tell about taking physical heat in the 60's when it's pretty obvious I'm not afraid to take on the in crowd of snowflakes here. The only issue is 50+ yaers later the in crowd gangs up and be their antifa violent selves. To equate me with Trump when he is the biggest anti free speech clown out there is simply proof of your logical incompetence. I wasn't there and you know this because? As I said in an earlier post in order for you to hurt my feelings - not likely- I've got to respect you. Not in this lifetime. As far as my past posts and how it hurt your feelings, which one. The one I took on the Dr. For claiming Cuba has a wonderful medical system. Or maybe when I explained basic economics 101 as it relates to the Dead/ WB business model. Sorry I don't catalogue my differences with you. Here's a real shocker I actually don't hate or even dislike you and absolutely believe in your right to make unfounded ( since you don't know me and could possibly know what I was doing 50 years ago and what the jocks and gym teachers did to this freak) statements. Not only do I believe in that doctor's right to his views I enjoy interacting with him.

Joined: Jun 17 2008
Why do they call it the blues, if it makes people so happy?

Last 5:

B B King-Live At The Regal (needs no explanation)
Smokin' Joe Kubek-Texas Cadillac (some hot sh*t blues guitar)
Cash Box Kings-I94 Blues (nicely carrying on the Chicago blues tradition)
Muddy Waters-Paris 1964 (beautiful live recording)
T Bone Walker-The Complete Imperial Recordings (the master)

Don't shed a tear, rock on!


Joined: Sep 1 2014
The Fuzztones are alright, too

They started in the early 80s, and although I wasn't so keen at the time-they seemed a touch derivative of the garage bands featured on compilations like "Nuggets"- they sound fine to me now. There's a handy little box set of their material out called "Psychorama", which has got all their main albums, a live dvd and a vinyl EP of a set they played backing Screaming Jay Hawkins. Still going, too.

Joined: Nov 9 2011
Seth Hollander

Thanks for bringing the topic and discussions back to music.

Anyone else have any recommendations for bands/artists, past or present, obscure or little known? I find the best way to hear of/about new music or artists (or new to me anyway) is to ask others who listen as well. I've always thought the GD community had interesting and varied tastes.

Last 5:
Aretha Franklin - Live At Fillmore West 3/5/71-3/7/71.
The Who - Fillmore '68 / East - 4/6/68.
The Shins - Heartworms.
Dr. Feelgood - Down By The Jetty.
GD - DaP 21 4/2/73 Boston, Ma.

Joined: Mar 23 2009
Game Theory

Good call, but also Thin White Rope (something affected me down in the desert), Naked Prey, Giant Sand, True West (the Davis bands had a connection with the SF ballroom scene of the late 60s, Ethan something ?) True Wests producer was involved with Oxford Circle and was a member of the best iteration -imho- of Blue Cheer-oh Pleasant Hope), and the one band not mentioned of the Paisley Underground, Clay Allison, later Opal, and even later, Mazzy Star.And not to forget, 11th Dream Day.
Phew.Ive got a hankering to listen to some of this stuff again....

Joined: Jun 19 2007
DD; devil made me......

Too funny ; )

Joined: Nov 9 2011
Obscure 80s Bands?

Game Theory (Davis, Ca. > SF)? Volcano Suns (Boston)? Fetchin' Bones (N.C.)? There always seems to be a wealth of music to be discovered, then and now!

Joined: Nov 9 2011
Paisley Underground

I'm happy to see The Paisley Underground mentioned. The Dream Syndicate's debut, 'Days Of Wine And Roses', is another great one.

How about the 79-80 L.A. punk scene? Of which Los Lobos were a part/associated? As well as X and The Blasters et al. And no I certainly wouldn't call Los Lobos punk, they just happened to be on the club/bar front with the others. When JGB/GD cover/borrow one of your songs ('Evangeline') you know you've arrived.

Joined: Nov 9 2011
The Silos

The Silos were led by Walter Salas-Humara, although I don't know if the band is still active. I always thought they were an undiscovered treasure, unfortunately for them. They were one of the 1st bands to mine the Alt-Country genre in the late 80s, and for some reason reminded me of The Band. I actually think Alt-Country is more 'Country' than half the music played on Country stations.

An undiscovered recent gem, for me anyway, is a band called 'Hiss Golden Messenger' whose 5th album, titled 'Haw' was played everyday by me for a month; it's been a long time since an album took me completely by surprise as this did. They're an acoustic based quintet from N.C. (according to Wiki). I implore my fellow Deadheads to please check them out, I don't think you'll be disappointed.

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Joined: Jul 15 2010

Same old, same old. I just came here for the first time in months to see when this box would ship. Anyone know? I usually think it's in the info at the top of the page, but can't seem to find it.

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Joined: Oct 3 2008
free speech, sorry folks, I just have to

It's ironic that a person who has, in the past, insulted, belittled and tried to intimidate others on this site for their opinions could possibly think that he knows anything about free speech or has the knowledge to lecture anyone about it. This is the same person who has insulted many here for thinking for themselves. He took punches in the 60's? Sure, right, let me use a term that he and his type are all so familiar with "fake news". If he was there, which I highly doubt, I don't believe he would have the guts to take it to the street. To sum it all up, or as Groucho said and he alluded to no one wants him as a member of this club, he invited himself, pushed his way into many conversations and bullied the poster for having an opposite opinion of his. His childish remarks and insults only affirm my conclusions. This is what 45 has fostered in this country, lost souls who have nothing but hate inside who think they can bully and lie about everything to twist it into their own little my, me, mine world. Who hurt him? I suggest some time in the psychiatric ward, get those feeling of hate and distrust out, maybe it might help. When he passes by the junkies and drunks, does he spit on them too? Or does he say stuff like "get a job and a haircut"? I don't agree with anything that he says, but I will defend his right to say it, that's free speech. Now, call me some names or talk bad about my mother, which of course you would never say to my face. The reign of hate fostered by 45 will end and the pendulum will swing back to a more progressive, loving, peaceful way of thinking, I can only hope.

Joined: Sep 1 2014
Emergency Third Rail Power Trip... The Rain Parade-a great album-one of the best of the 80s, in my opinion. Their live album "Beyond the Sunset" is also worth checking out. I heard Green on Red and The Long Ryders- and The Bangles, but not the other so called Paisley Underground bands. I used to think REM were one of these groups-their first two albums Murmur and Reckoning seemed full of mid 60s mannerisms to me. Like an updated version of The Byrds or Love.

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Joined: Aug 27 2009
While we're at it...

This guy had a band called The Silos (started in the 80s in Florida) that was always making albums full of good songs well-performed with heart and soul, but bland in that Tom Petty-sorta way. Lately he's doing a lot of small albums that are very pleasant on the ear.
This song mentions "Dead tapes'...

Enough outta me.

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Joined: Aug 27 2009
The Bangles

Ah, Vguy, you ain't alone. Different Light and Manic Monday were my introduction to them. But later I grew to prefer the more pure 60s sounds of All Over the Place.
If you don't have the recent 81-83 compilation called Ladies And Geltlemen... The Bangles!, you should. Covers their garage/punk beginnings nicely. Even their 90s/00s re-union albums are pretty good.
They were part of an L.A. early-80s scene nicknamed The Paisley Underground. I discovered most of the other PU bands a few years later (The Rain Parade, The Three O'Clock, The Dream Syndicate, and the more proto-Americana stylings of Green On Red and The Long Ryders). If you don't know them, get thee to YouTube or Spotify whatever!

My fave bangles tune:

Joined: Apr 23 2008

That would depend (as so much does) on your definition of bullying. Nothing I said supports physical attacks as does by inference the person who suggested policing trolls. But if you're suggesting that someone be put in charge of hurtful words I think you already know the answer. It would quickly decend to what it already has as I've already mentioned. Safe spaces puppies jack booted thugs imposing their anti speech views on others are unacceptable. There are already about 190 countries that do it that way vs.1 that doesn't. This isn't my position but if I want to blockade Russia for its actions in the Crimea, eastern Ukraine or Georgia in the US it is my right to say it and because someone gets butthurt because they don't like it too bad.
As you might imagine way back when I was young took a lot of real bullying. Over the war race the issues we are currently debating paraphrasing Tom Petty hitting me didn't make me back down. My only regret in this discussion is I let myself get caught up in the moment and said things in a way that wins no one to my side. I have had no regrets nor have I currently in supporting true free speech
Without free speech the tiny minority who spoke up against slavery wouldn't finally be heard after 40 years of extreme violence. The working man wouldn't have attained some modicum of rights Civil rights wouldn't have moved the ball even further closer to what will hopefully become true racial equality. Gays wouldn't have advanced from Stonewall to marriage equality. While what the goof ball whose actions started this off is by no means the moral equivalent of the above without protecting his speech, no, more importantly believing in his right to say it the above might not have happened at the least taken a lot longer. I am proud of the punches I took 50 years ago in the name of free speech. In order for someones words to hurt me I've got to care what they think. I don't

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Joined: Jun 29 2007
Hey fourwindsblow!....

....I know that band. Did I win something?

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Joined: Oct 13 2008
It's Not GOGD
Vguy72's picture
Joined: Jun 29 2007
I love last fives. That reminds me....

Bangles - All Over The Place
The Band - Rock Of Ages
GOGD - Anthem Of The Sun
The Clash - The Clash
Jerry Garcia/David Grisman - Not For Kids Only

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Joined: Aug 25 2008
The WORST that could happen...

...would be if the operators of this site - - would pull the plug on ALL the comments.

Then we would be back in the days of the original Grateful Dead Mercantile Co. from the 1980's and in the early 1990's or whenever began. I don't believe there was any room for fan comments, except for DeadNetCentral, and that was another entity in itself but associated with Does that still exist? Is it still liive? When did it stop being active?

If I recall correctly, when MusicToday took over, they added fan (DeadHead) input with the ability to rate the music and video releases and, I think add some comments.

Now we have WarnerMusicGroup/Rhino powered which I think is excellent.

It was only in the last few years that I have noticed a change for the odd/weird/worse in fan (DeadHead) comments. Try finding the comment pages for Dave's Picks Volumes 17 thru 24 here on I cant.

I think the primary core mission of is to sell the recorded music (mostly live recordings) of the Grateful Dead and other merchandise. It's a nice money maker to say the least.
I think the secondary core mission of is to foster community.
That is done successfully 99.8% of the time. Now with these odd/weird/damn strange posts, I'd say only 96.2% of the time.

Let's clean up and don't post off topic subjects, such as politics, porn and religion, etc.
And police the trolls.

Last, but NOT LEAST, marye does a fine job as moderator.
The moderators here at do a great job, and its hard.

Joined: Sep 15 2009
For LedDed
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Joined: Feb 16 2017
Dream Police

I have found that this site polices itself. You can't legislate stupidity. There's plenty here I'm not interested in - some guy going on and on about sonic details, for instance. I just love the music and appreciate it sounding good.

Then there's all the side discussions about other bands, what 5 albums you last listened to, etc. Usually interesting topics pick up a little interest. I have been turned onto things here I would not have known of otherwise.

It is difficult to stay completely on topic - focused on whatever release this thread is based on, for very long. The conversation exhausts itself. The cool thing is so many here have many interesting things to discuss, and one thing leads to another, etc. This is by and large a really good forum.

Certainly, this is not an appropriate place for hardcore porn, promotion of violence/prejudice, or hate speech of any kind. Politics turns people off real quick. I would imagine 75% or more here are like-minded, politically, but we don't come here for that noise, we come here to get away from it.

As far as dumb random stuff, if I don't want to check out, say, a Barbra Streisand clip, I'll just pass on by. Live and let live (Live and let die?).


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Joined: Oct 5 2017

Should kids be allowed to bully other kids at school, as an expression of free speech, or should the schools shut that shit down?

Joined: Nov 21 2007
Changing the subject... ripping Dick's Picks

Sober, I have to say the color choice on The Rochester 11/5/77 and the Oklahoma City 10/19/73 are really cool..... that is all... Bob t

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Joined: Jun 29 2007
I don't recall seeing anyone post porn....

....did i miss something?

Joined: Jun 17 2008
Hope is independent of the apparatus of logic.......

Yo! Rockers!!!

Any debate surrounding free speech---or any of our other rights---is a worthwhile debate.

However, given the specific underlying issues, perhaps this question should be addressed:

Should these threads be limited to Dead only, or should there be no limits?

If Dead only, fine.
If anything goes, then we end up here.

I've been of the opinion for some time that these threads need rational and reasonable moderation AND rules. But given the nature of the Dead themselves, it's unlikely that will happen.......

Roll on,


Joined: Apr 23 2008

I feel like I'm in a 6th grade class. Hee hee are you fucking kidding me. Straw men lying about what I said. Keith fan don't have any response to that idiocy. Anyone interested in the truth can read the posts all of them. Bottom line. The circle jerkers believe in censorship private and I suspect public and keeping this their own little club and the uncool ie.those who unapologetically support free speech whithout their neuroses stomping on it need not apply. And I know you're incapable of logic but one more time Skokie showed that a civil rights organization believed ugly speech protected by private citizens...THE ACLU is more important than some genuinely aggrieved people getting their feelings hurt. So foad snowflakes and your hurt feelings. There's a reason why the 1st amendment is 1st. And the 2nd is right behind. I still think you prove Groucho corredt

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Joined: Sep 15 2009
Skokie 1977

The Supreme Court ruled that Skokie city administrators (the government) could not deny a "march permit" purely based on a group's message.

I don't see the connection.

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Joined: Nov 11 2017
LOL snafu

Got his pants whooped off him in an argument and resorted to obfuscation and name calling (not to mention prejudice with the snowflakes remark). Mind-Left-Body 2, snafu 0.

Oh, and half the guys in this band we all love were into booze and drugs, but here he is celebrating them (that makes him a hypocrite too hee hee).

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Joined: Sep 28 2009

Joined: Apr 23 2008
@ mhammond

Suggest you google Skokie il 1977. That was when the ACLU actually believed in free speech. As far as private club no it isn't legally and besides I take Groucho Marx's view on club

Joined: Apr 23 2008

Absolutely which is what I said in my post. The trouble with the censors here is most people who actually believe in freedom tend to incorporate the bigger picture. No? Guess you've missed the football conrtoversy over the last 4 years. Or my differentiating between private schools who can goose step and public that are covered by the constitution. Straw men rarely works with intelligent people
I never thought I'd have to explain the benefits to all of us in protecting unpopular speech here. What next Miranda

Joined: Sep 15 2009
This Is A Private Club

Members agree to play by the rules. The rules are set by the site administrators. Piss enough members off and you get kicked out of the club. Let's not turn punk trollers into free speech martyrs. They are not.

Joined: Apr 23 2008

Actually outside of child pornography and even there they are very limited in what laws on porn they can have. Essentially there are no laws the government can pass to limit the freedom of speech/press. My fringe beliefs? Damn right baby. As for manning up try it, it feels good standing up for freedom. Unfortunately the snowflakes of the millennial generation may win this in the long run with their safe spaces shouting down those they disagree with trigger points and all the other fascist tools used to shut people up. And here's the nut while I admit to not seeing every post ( you see big boys and girls ignore stupidity) the posts we are discussing are about Charles Manson not sex which is what porn is. Don't bother trying to twist the kings English to incorporate Chucky's wierdness into some definition of porn, too transparent.As far as copyright my point was simple read slowly and it's ok to move your lips. You brought up copyright infringement and put words in my mouth claiming I was ok with it when my point easily understood by anyone with a 10 year old's reading comprehension I simply said you got your pants in a twist with something that happens here all day long and you click on them. Your problem is you have to go by some you don't like. Too bad that's the cost of freedom as someone sang long long ago. I don't like walking by the junkies boozeheads and other losers that's life

Joined: Apr 1 2008
The constitution ....

... is meant to protect citizens from government action such as censorship.

Private citizens (yes, corporations count) cannot violate your constitutional rights.

On the other hand, scroll the troll is great advice and ...

... so what indeed about Gainesville Bolo!!!

David Duryea's picture
Joined: Sep 28 2009
the devil made me do it

bolo24's picture
Joined: Nov 25 2009
Desperate measures for desperate times...sorry I had to do this

What about Gainesville?

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Joined: Oct 5 2017

There actually are laws that define pornography. And If you host a website with a message board such as this, and you allow pornography to be accessed through it, you are also hosting pornography and therefore are responsible to abide by the laws and regulations that govern the distribution of pornography (such as posting a message that identifies the site as having adult content).

Yes there are laws that apply to copywrite protection. You're admitting in your argument that it's okay to break that law because you see it regularly. Why don't YOU man up and stand up for a law that is actually being violated. No, I don't personally use youtube to listen to music I didn't pay for. And yes, I think if someone is being obnoxious with their postings, better to snuff it out than call it free speech.

What shirdeep posts a new link every 30 seconds, so that you have to scroll through a mile of his postings just to use the message board for what it was intended to be used for? Is that okay? Not even you can defend that as free speech, but you're going to decide what constitutes the degree of obnoxiousness that will be tolerated? (you know it when you see it, right? shoe's on the other foot). Shirdeep's postings serve no purpose for this site as it was intended to be used, a lot of people have asked him to stop, and he keeps posting more. That's not free speech. It's great that you seem to be some kind of free speech / civil rights activist, however, you're defense of this particular issue is fanatical. For all you know, shirdeep is in bot mode.

You sound like a good guy, but this ain't about free speech in any shape way or form. Not a judge in town that would agree with you. I take offense to your telling people to "man-up" because they're not fighting your fringe free speech argument. Your assignment for the day is to go to youtube and find 10 videos that are posted in violation of copywrite laws, and report them to youtube (hint - I'll know if you didn't do your homework by your daily report to me, which I'll be accepting no later than 5pm Pacific).

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