Portland Memorial Coliseum, Portland, OR, 5/19/74 (6-LP)
Portland Memorial Coliseum, Portland, OR (5/19/74)
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I would like to clarify that I absolutely believe in Plangent. When I was able to hear side by side comparisons of Dead tracks with and without Plangent, it was an obvious improvement when Plangent was used. At times you would swear it was a remix of the tracks because details that you couldn't hear before were brought forward in the mix. Plangent was able to remove the distortions that obscured these details for so long. My preference for vinyl is to be all analog, that's all.
How is this tool that much different than someone using an outboard processor to run effects?
The Plangent process playback system is a hybrid hardware/software package combining state of the art contemporary analog electronics coupled with unique digital signal processing. It begins with an ultra-wideband low-distortion custom reproduce head and subsequent associated hand-wired preamp, followed by proprietary DSP that provides total speed stabilization and wow and flutter correction. This unique combination of integrated hardware and post-processing provides the archival mastering and preservation community a level of playback quality never before possible.
I would lay my money down that all the vinyl reissues and RSD releases you mentioned used hi def digital for the final mastering (with the exception of the Mofi releases). A majority of the reissues on vinyl are using digital sources, although some are more transparent than others. The Bruce Springsteen vinyl reissues explicitly state they are mastered from digital. Even Mofi occasionally uses digital sources when the analog is not available, but they are transparent about it and release those titles on their Silver Label series. I have many of these. They sound really good.
That being said, we are not talking about simply pressing a CD master to vinyl. When digital sourcing is used, is has been sampled at higher rates to digital, and then that hi res digital source is used for the vinyl. The net of what I am saying is the vinyl pressed from hi res digital still includes more information than a CD, and it still sounds damn good if you enjoy the sound of vinyl.
I own all of the special edition live GD vinyl releases. They all sound really great, and I have no regrets about dropping the scratch for them, even the ones I already have on CD. I also own the GD re-issues of the WB albums. Again, no regrets, even though I feel pretty confident they are all mastered from a digital source.
My point is I wouldn't necessarily be too persnickety about whether or not digital sourcing has been used. If you enjoy the sound and experience of vinyl, you will be happy with releases sourced from hi res digital. I pay more attention to the pressing plant used as a few plants use better wax and have higher standards for QC than others. Also, the engineer who did the mastering is important (Chris Bell, as was mentioned, is a solid engineer).
LP1 = 22:54 & 23:27
LP2 = 22:56 & 9:39
LP3 = 14:11 & 22:11
LP4 = 18:24 & 16:12
LP5 = 6:38 & 20:50
LP6 = 18:51 & 6:10
currently the longest side is 23:27 (side B)
D (LP2,B) & E (LP3,A) combine to 23:50 and H (LP4,B) & I (LP5,A) combine to 22:50.
If the audio quality difference between a 23:27 side and a 23:50 side is as negligible as it appears, "MissingJerry" has a point.
Also, the first 3 LPs could be reconfigured to : 16:09/15:58/21:56/20:25/18:39/22:11 without altering the song order. Doesn't reduce the number of discs, but looks a little more elegant to my eye.
As it is, I hope for the audiophiles that sides D, I, & L play at 45rpm (and I hope for the stoners that they don't! "Woah, dude, what's wrong with Jjjjjeeeeerrrrrrrryyyyyyy?").
From my understanding, Plangent converts analog to digital to do its job. Therefore Any vinyl release that uses Plangent is not analog. The complete dead boxset with the orange slipcase was done by Chris Bellman analog and the MOFI Workingman's Dead and American Beauty are analog also. Its better to buy the hi rez downloads when Plangent is used. I saw a talk here in Denver by David Glasser and he explained the process so that's where I got my info. Take care.
4 records would require reordering of songs which I believe no one would want, or making some longer than optimal sound quality and audio levels
I would like more information on the process used to master the vinyl. I need to know if this is a digital recording put on vinyl or analog. I try to not buy any digital releases on vinyl because it undermines the whole rational for having the vinyl. RSD was great because all the concerts were recorded and released in analog. Neil Young Wilco The National David Bowie Lou Reed And the Dead.
Having just checked with the Taping Compendium and my copy of Deadbase-10 from 1995- this show looks very special indeed. All the shorter songs get praised, with Greatest Story being singled out as one of the best versions. The jam following Truckin' sounds great too, with its inclusion of the Mind Left Body jam.
My copy of Deadbase has this show as the 4th best of the year-with only 28th June, 18th June and 19th October ahead of it. 19th October was considered the best show of the year, which I am not sure I would agree with.But it was a list complied 23 years ago.
The positive is that it presents the music in the way it was played on the night. The downside is that this means we are being presented with 4 albums worth of music on 6 albums. So, I am not sure about buying this one. I've bought the cd box set. You can't judge a show by its set list-but to basically buy a show twice-it has to have something extra special-and I'm not sure this one has. I am normally drawn by Dark Star, Playin' and The Other One-which are all conspicuously absent on this set.
I guess I'll give it some more thought-check what the Taping Compendium says about it, and go one way or the other.
Ok I'm sorry no need to get snappy...why did you quote me with a "huh"? Feels like that is implying a request for an explanation and I have no idea your age or experience with records, it's the internet...Im guessing here. The timing doesn't seem like it would work out even with your extra 1-2 minutes.
I love vinyl but I may have to hold out for the variant color version in 2019. I'm still waiting for the Veneta vinyl re release. I won't chase an original Veneta one like I did in trying to obtain the Cornell LP. Re release them all, let them flow
I like Jeffrey Norman's mastering work a lot. However, the moment he put 'Plangent Process' into the mastering chain when cutting from his lathe was the moment I cut bait. Not sure who made the call (Jeffrey? Members of the Grateful Dead? David Lemieux?), but why put a 'historical document' that is already on analog tape which is destined to be on an analog format like vinyl through the digital domain when mastering? It just makes no sense.
And before anybody tells me about 'tape flutter noise', all tape has always had tape flutter noise since the dawn of mastering. For the CDs (which I happily purchase), sure, the tape is bound for a digital format so why not use something like 'Plantent Process'? Have at it.
But for the analog purists like myself (when I listen to analog), I dont need somebody throwing the master through the digital tunnel and then selling it to me as 'analog'. I'll just buy the CDs for that.
MESSAGE TO JEFFREY NORMAN, DAVID LEMIEUX, and MEMBERS OF THE GRATEFUL DEAD: Please abandon Plangent Process in the mastering chain for your vinyl releases
We get that, we're not idiots here. And it's more like 23-24 minutes per side. Cheers
You listen from side A to side B, then side C to side D etc. If they used the full time on each side to reduce the total number of LP's in the set that is 22 minutes per side they would have to re-organize the song sequence from the show to utilize all the appropriate space (now limited to save LP pressings). That would require the listener to catch one song here then go find the next song and so on. Either song sequences or jams would have to be altered or cut in the middle to reduce the total number of LPs in the set. And that for most of us is tantamount to sacrilege.
"require listeners to find the sides and put them in order"......huh?
I would assume it is to not interrupt the flipping and require listeners to find the sides and put them in order as they were enjoying the show. I'm all for it! Keep the flow and my cash :)
I'm really looking forward to this release; however, did it really need to be a 6-LP set? With Side D under 10 minutes, and Sides I & L at under 7 minutes each, seems like we could have saved some cost by fitting this on 5, or maybe even 4 records.
… that it meant just that, only 7500 copies will be pressed. I ordered and will put on the side and hope my kid can sell someday for profit. I really need to set my stereo back up so I can do side by side sound test of vinyl and cd. Seems like these would be the combo to test with, completely remaster by all the magic processes available and from 500 track tapes (where every note gets it's own track!).
It is exciting. I will get this one. I will add here, with all due respect, that I have absolutely no idea in the world what this statement means:
Limited to 7,500 copies
more Dead vinyl on the way!