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    "Cause it's always like that with the Dead, you know - it's always the whole thing." - News Journal

    As we close out the 2019 Dave Pick's series, we deliver on our promise to give you the "whole thing" with the complete performance from The Spectrum, Philadelphia, PA 3/24/73 and what a show it was! An upstanding "musical eulogy" to the recently departed Pigpen, the Grateful Dead conducted a potent study in contrasts on this bittersweet night. They found easy balance between tidy jams like "They Love Each Other," "Wave That Flag," "Playing In The Band," and introspective moments on "Stella Blue," "Sing Me Back Home," and a poignant "He's Gone." It was all laid down with a discipline and a polish unheard of in any of the truly exceptional shows that had come before it. Yes, you might say, they cleaned up nice to carry on the legacy as Pig would have wanted.

    Limited to 20,000 numbered copies, DAVE’S PICKS VOLUME 32: THE SPECTRUM, PHILADELPHIA, PA 3/24/73 has been mastered to HDCD specs from the 7" and 10" reels by Jeffrey Norman.

    GET IT WHILE YOU CAN

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  • JimInMD
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    You're right.. they did it at BCT too. I forgot about that.

    Brewer, I'm with you on ticket prices. It scared me away for many a show too, again, not because I can't afford it. The pricing and the way that pooped on the fan preorder = a real WTF are you guys doing factor. Couldn't they modernize GDTS or something? Perhaps Ticketmaster and LiveNation have too big a stranglehold, but the process leaves me feeling dirty.

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    AJS; sorry to “stir it up” yuck, yuck. I bet anyone who went to a decent amount of shows has some tale of regret.
    I had tix for Toga 88 but had to deal with medical shit and an upper GI that day sohad to sell tix. Probably 4 or 6 other almost/what if’s, but “goes to show....” Perhaps that’s what made the “super” shows we did get to so special.
    SHE BELONGS definetly a Bobby Dazzler. Saw a few of those and Believe it or not, which to me was like a cousin, or “Jerry” version of She Belongs. I love She belongs so much I used to play it. Also, don’t feel bad, the first night of Hampton 88 was the only time I went to a show but didn’t get in. I know Stir it up and Visions aren’t quite the same, but it still sucks. The part that really sucked was not knowing that the show was being broadcast in some (hotel?) parking lot. Dooooo! Heard the next day it was a hell of a party...
    JIM; yes, seems we were at many of the same shows...great minds think alike, lol
    Hopefully some day I’ll have the pleasure of meeting some of you nice folks at some shows! But,
    PRICES ETC; agree, tix, especially with all the bullshit charges are getting steep and the cost/benefit ratio ain’t quite what it used to be. That and/or I’m just another old bastard that wouldn’t leave the house much if I didn’t have to!
    So like many, I’ll still go as long as I’m able, it’s easy, and it’s close....very fortunate in Colorado that we have awesome venues and they come round fairly often...

    BILLYKID; that’s one hell of an opening, and I’m guessing all around show!

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    I bought my ticket that day at the box office. My seat was in the very last row. When I went up to my seat, there was a women up there with a handful of tickets, she handed me one and said "you can go down there and have a seat". I went down and sat in the second row. The Dead opened up with Box of Rain and then did Visions of Johanna. It was really cool.

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    A friend and I always say that The Eleven was the best thing the Grateful Dead ever did.

    I LOVED Futhur. I have enjoyed Dead & Co., but the size and price of their shows means I likely won't see them again. CAN I afford to attend?--yes. But at some price point it feels wrong to me.

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    i thought today was the order day for Dave's 33.

    on your marks, non-subscribers

  • JimInMD
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    Visions redux, She Belongs to Me, Furthur

    I think Further were their best from 2009 through 2012 (at least that's my take). I believe Bobby was expending extra efforts getting traction in the later years, something he seemed to address after they disbanded.

    That's right.. the played a one-off of Visions in Hampton '86. I know I was at the Break Out of Box of Rain (which in doing some research was on a Friday night). Visions was the night before and I'll be damned if I can remember if I was there or not.. I think the answer to that depends on whether or not this was during Spring Break or if we drove down Friday after the early classes??? Oroborous.. I can only hope we crossed paths at one of the apparently many shows we seem to share in common.

    Caught one She Belongs to Me too (Richmond).. what an emotional powerhouse that was.. when I hear it to this day I stop what I am doing and the emotions become my own. ..but I'm a sucker for the Jerry Ballads..

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    Thanks for jamming me again.

    It has been well documented that I missed the Hampton Warlocks at the fault of everyone else in my group who, for some unknown reason, placed a higher importance on graduate school than a historic concert. I also spent another night in Hampton listening to Ballad of a Thin Man in the parking lot. One of only two shows where I made the trip and was not able to grab tix.

    It's all good boss.

    I'll throw in "She Belongs to Me" for my most cherished memories of shows. Lot's of wonderful music, but those two stand out for sure.

    It's funny. I bailed on the band for 15 years. Sure, I saw The Dead, The Other Ones, Phil and his collection of buddies whenever they came within a reasonable distance of town. Nothing seemed to get the juices flowing again. Then came Furthur and something just clicked when they played The Eleven. Kadlecik wailing away. It was great.

    Saw Furthur a few more times, but they were never able to capture that moment again for me. It did, however, motivate me to get to the Capitol Theatre to see a bunch of shows. Phil and his boys were the clear stars down there. Among the many highlights were Viola Lees Blues, Doin That Rag and a half hour long H>S>F encore.

    Back in 2016 a long time tour friend reached out to me with tickets for the first Dead & Co. show at Fenway. So, I went. Two things I will say, the sound itself was unbelievable and Mayer is the best fake Jerry to date. We had an unbelievably good time. First set H>S>F. St. Stephen, Dark Star, Morning Dew, Casey Jones.

    Unfortunately, these days Dead & Co. isn't getting it done for me. I realize that lots of folks here enjoy it, but the tempo is just too slow for my ears. And the tickets are way, way overpriced.

    So, I am back to the old formula of seeing them in my backyard. Bob rolled through a year or so ago with the Wolf Brothers. Again, a little slow for my liking. Got to see an acoustic Deep Elem Blues, Easy to Slip and Ripple. All were outstanding. I kinda wish he would just stick to acoustic. To me it is far more enjoyable at that pace.

    Sorry for the rant, but you got me motivated to break out some old versions of The Eleven.

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    ...."These go to Eleven" - Nigel Tufnel

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    I was with an old Korean War veteran at that time and he took the minute or so for silence. He was the same age as Willie Nelson (3 weeks younger) and smoked as much weed. He was on a B-29 in the USAF. Also interesting to note he was very much anti-war. He used to go to Grateful Dead concerts several times a year. And he was one of my all time best friends.
    I only saw the Dead perform the 11 once, 12/26/81. No words , just the cord progressions.
    As far as Dark Star, St. Stephen, Lovelight -9/19/70 was a standout. (pigpen-thank you). 1970 was a wonderful time to be a teenager going to Grateful Dead concerts.

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    Here, here, yaassss, thanks Phil for all the great “post” versions of this, Viola, Cosmic, New Potato etc. Will always have a special place in my heart for the Phil Denver Philmore shows, but man I really dug Further.
    Still think they should have had John, Warren, Jimmy, et el play parts of the Fare Thee Well shows. No disrespect to Trey, I think he did a mostly decent job, especially since they really didn’t rehearse much, but I think they would have been better shows with the guys who actually knew the tunes and had played them with the band members...but I digress....
    Have seen some good D&C versions of the 11 etc, a hot version from Boulder a few years ago stands out in my minds eye, but I think the Further ones were my favs?
    Speaking of the Philmore shows; that was a nice time in “GD” history. The Other Ones and Futhur fest were cool and kept things going, but I rember feeling like “yeah, this is more like it, this is the shit” the first few stands at Denver. Man the time they played Keep on Growing etc with a very Pregnant Tedeschi and Trucks, that whole set, phewwww, need to look that one up some time! Such a cool venue too, not big, but not too small. The venue, the band, all those great old tunes, it was definitely a great renaissance period.

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"Cause it's always like that with the Dead, you know - it's always the whole thing." - News Journal

As we close out the 2019 Dave Pick's series, we deliver on our promise to give you the "whole thing" with the complete performance from The Spectrum, Philadelphia, PA 3/24/73 and what a show it was! An upstanding "musical eulogy" to the recently departed Pigpen, the Grateful Dead conducted a potent study in contrasts on this bittersweet night. They found easy balance between tidy jams like "They Love Each Other," "Wave That Flag," "Playing In The Band," and introspective moments on "Stella Blue," "Sing Me Back Home," and a poignant "He's Gone." It was all laid down with a discipline and a polish unheard of in any of the truly exceptional shows that had come before it. Yes, you might say, they cleaned up nice to carry on the legacy as Pig would have wanted.

Limited to 20,000 numbered copies, DAVE’S PICKS VOLUME 32: THE SPECTRUM, PHILADELPHIA, PA 3/24/73 has been mastered to HDCD specs from the 7" and 10" reels by Jeffrey Norman.

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As I sit here listening, smiling--midway thru Disc 1 Jack Straw--I'm thinking to myself, "Ya know, I'd order a five-year Dave's Pick subscription if they offered it tomorrow"....then I thought to myself "ya know...shit, I'd order a life-time Dave's Pick subscription if they offered it tomorrow!!" Time for another beer.....

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Vinyl arrived today and already spun through once...this is an instant classic for me and will get multiple spins...all 3 discs are excellent, but highlights for me are Lay Lady Lay, Mountain Dew, and Don’t Think Twice it’s Alright/Understand Your Man outtakes.... but this whole set is one that I could listen to over and over!

#32 arrives tomorrow!

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Would love to hear more about how the sound quality is. Will not have mine in MN until Tuesday ☹️. For some reason, all year on the Dave's Picks for me have been 5 to 6 days past release date. I was lucky with the Giants Box, it arrived on the release date.

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Don't know how they do it time after time. This is possibly especially nice. I just finished it. It was great

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Got mine yesterday, at first, I thought it was another LP as it was a very small package for 3 pieces of vinyl, the format package reminds me of the gatefold covers of olde. Argent's "Ring Of Hands" and Johnny Winters " Live "
It is a great set of vinyl, even 'ere indoors ' commented on the Johnny Cash, my favorite part of the set are Sides 1 and 2 at the present time. DaP 32 may not arrive for another 3 weeks, so there is plenty of time to revisit this.

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To these rock-n-roll damaged ears, I thought the sound quality was outstanding....side note: my delivery order notice says/ and still says, "Monday-by the end of the day".......maybe I'll get two??....LOL

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My DP32 arrived today but only one of the two copies I pre-ordered was included. Prior to the warehouse transition I've always got what I ordered on time. Now nothing but delays and missing or damaged goods.

Now I play the waiting game, will they respond to customer service ticket?
I've already had several other tickets for orders go with no response yet in two weeks...

I guess I will hope for the best that I will still get what I paid for but they will probably be out of stock by the time they even read my customer service ticket. Someone needs to fix this mess..

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Am I the ONLY one, or is anyone else SICK and TIRED of the goddamn yellow box on the side telling you to get on the LIST???!!!

I'm on the fuckin' list already!

One fuckin line of code,,,, Is customer on list? Don't post yellow box! Seems like simple coding!!!

Good day all,,, time to rip in Bob for work tonight.

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Thanks for feedback gents. Can't wait to get it next week.

In the meantime Winterland 73 has been getting a workout. Enough said on how great this box is. If any of you have missed this one, you can still get a used one on eBay or Discogs for under $150, which is well worth it.

Looking for some assistance with digital downloads. I have three from nugs.net, Download series 1, which is the 77 Palladium show from 4/30, this show kicks ass by the way, Download series 9 and 6.
All in ALAC loaded to iTunes and played through my Sonos system. All the songs have a 10 second audio out at the end of the songs, super annoying. Does anyone know how to get rid of that 10 second pause?
Much appreciated.

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Had a tape of this show, then a digital SBD copy from Archive (before SBD downloads were verboten). The sound on Dave's 32 is an improvement. What a GREAT show!

I don't know if it's the luck of the draw, but I've had few problems with my orders over the decades. A few bad discs, that were promptly replaced. I don't gamble, but perhaps I should try my luck in Vegas (kidding, all the flashing lights in casinos spook me).

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Arrived today, ahead of schedule, spinning Cumberland on disc 1 now. Sounds great, it's the Dead, it's from '73 - what more could I ask for?

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..Has landed! Great show, sounds awesome! ;)

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....that's how they attract. Like moths to a flame. Will never find a clock in a casino either.
Good to see Moses Quasar is still here.
Also, good to see Cumberland representing. My ears definitely perk up when that comes on.

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I can usually eliminate any long pauses in GD shows by doing the following, keep in mind I have an older iTunes program.

1. Highlight the 1st song - unfortunately you'll have to do this individually for each song.
2. File > Get Info OR Right Click > Get Info OR Command/ 'I' All info for that song should appear.
3. There are 6 tabs at the top; choose 'Options'
4. The 'STOP' box with the song length should be there.
6. Check the small box to the left and adjust until it's exactly perfect.
7. Check the small box for 'Remember Playback Position' to the right of 'PLAYBACK'.
8. OK

Hope this helps, but like I said it's an older program.

DaP 32 has arrived today, and #991 to boot! Glad to have this one hassle free and really looking forward to spinning it as Spring 73 is the band's absolute pinnacle in my opinion. Shaping up to be a perfect autumn Saturday, cheers!

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Ho boy!! Now the weekend is complete. Ok, beer, check. Cigars, check. Dap 32, check. Pretzels, check. Good times.

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Everything that you think that is going to be good listening to this is!!! Here Comes Sunshine, Playing in the Band, China>Rider, the stand alone Stella, He's Gone>(all of Disc 3).... Loser, Me and Bobby McGee, and Row Jimmy sort of stand out also!!!

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BobT is right. Finished a first listen and there is a lot of good stuff here, and that whole disc 3 smokes.

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Hooray!!!

Heres 2 fasst delivery 4 everyone

Thank you for the info on this Dave, I appreciate it.
Gave it a shot, unfortunately no change.
It is 10 seconds of dead air, no audio at all at the end of the songs. We always want to hear the transitions to the next song, very important. Maybe this is why the download series was short lived?

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I was thinking last week that you were probably the last guy to change his profile pic. And look at you now. Aren't you afraid that it might change your luck by getting rid of the lucky 7. If your going to play craps this week put me down for a two two on the hard four. $100 bet.

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I downloaded all the Download series releases as they came out. I cannot remember precisely what I did but they were certainly downloaded to a Windows computer and burned to CD using EAC or Nero (I cannot remember which). Tracks are contiguous i.e. no 2 second gaps or 10 second gaps between tracks. I did not use iTunes or anything Apple at any stage of the process. The Apple part could be what is causing you problems.

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Anyone else in the US that was a subscriber not receive a shipping notice for 32 yet?

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Here trying to re-rip some of my GD collection and I'm noticing disc 1 of Rocking the Cradle is not ripping for me. I looked at it and noticed incredible scratching on the disc surface. Funny thing is I took a glance at the rest of the set and they look relatively pristine! Help! :-)

P.S. Buses

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Is the one skipping most badly. I've scoured some of my backups and most of my archived copies seem fine except track 8. Anyone have that one track in FLAC?

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....notice would say Monday, so I’d stroll on down to the ole PO, and usually on Saturday there’d be a key in our box for one of those package boxes, and there it’d be, a new Dave’s or whatnot, in all its glory......last several releases, the torturous bastards haven’t been doing that, just the slip in the box, which one of us now has to try and get down there during their banker hours (when we’re supposed to be at work), and then stand in line for usually between 10-20 minutes and wait. Plus instead of having alllll day today to enjoy, I already know I’m not going to have enough time to sit down and actually LISTEN to the whole thing until next weekend, uugghh!.....really like to do that at least the first time, ahem, sorry, I’m whining like a little beeaatch, and yes I’m am jealous of all y’all that have or are going to wallow in the Golden yummy splendor of this magnificent gift from yee ole GD Gods!! Fuggin 73 Mates!, 73! Well, cheers to all you lucky Chil-rens that got yours, Enjoy!

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Finished this one up in the wee hours of the morning and man is it good. Sound quality is pristine. There are so many great shows in this series now that it gets tough to rank them, but this one jumps immediately into my top 5!

Highlights for me:

Disc One:
Cumberland
Box of Rain
Row Jimmy
Wave that Flag (fun to see the early workings & development of this one)
Disc 2:
Here Comes Sunshine
Me & Bobby McGee
China Rider
Stella Blue
Disc 3:
The whole damn thing fucking smokes.....gonna have to put it on again right now!!!

Enjoy this one dead peoples.....it really is something special...we are a super lucky group of robots!

Happy Sunday Funday!!!

KCJ

Oh and for those interested, here are the timing sequences for the songs on Disc 3:

He's Gone> (13:52)
Truckin> (10:04)
Jam> (22:30)
Dark Star> (4:10)
Sing Me Back Home (10:03)......(I really love this version)
Sugar Mags (9:43)
JBG (3:55)

I have the Download Series but no 10 sec. gap during any songs on any of the releases - anyone else have/don't have gaps with the Download Series? I'm using a MacBook Pro and just the usual time between songs with audience noise/clapping.

Well that's encouraging news. Thanks KCJ.

I think the next show (3/26, Baltimore) flows nicely after listening to this one. If it were me, I would release them back to back (or at the same time somehow). Fond memories of these two, so glad half the duo finally got the Full Norman.

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Got mine yesterday even though the tracking info said end of day Monday. Pleased to get it on the weekend, but like many of my fellow adult Deadheads, not enough free time to listen to it all yet.
First impressions from giving it a test drive while running errands around town:
Bertha - Fair to middling opener with funny blown "cue" by Jerry; average version.
Beat It On Down The Line - Oof. This is rough. The off-key Donna vocals are in full force. Hoping for better from Bobby on later tracks.
Don't Ease Me In - God, I love this song. Not a great version, but so nice to hear a young Jerry singing this.
The Race Is On - Pretty solid '73 version, nothing remarkable.
Cumberland Blues - Surprised to read so many positive comments about this version; didn't make an impression.
Box Of Rain - Quote from headyversion.com: "Seriously, this is awful. The only listenable versions are Sep 17 1970, and the two "breakout" versions in March 1986 (20 and 24)." Sounds about right.
Row Jimmy - Okay version. Doesn't have the shimmering quality of some of the Winterland '73 performances, but pretty good. Donna damages it, of course.
Jack Straw - Quality drop-off from the '72 versions, but not bad. Unremarkable.
They Love Each Other - First big highlight of the show. I love the bouncy versions of TLEO, and anything slower than the studio version on Reflections sounds like a dirge to me. This is a pretty great one with no notable fuckups.
Mexicali Blues - Better than the other Bobby performances so far; good version.
Tennessee Jed - Decent but, again, unremarkable.
Looks Like Rain - Jerry seems to have found a way to replace the lap steel from Europe '72 with a weepy guitar sound; unfortunately, this version is marred by Bob's vocals ranging from too quiet to too loud, and I had to adjust my volume up and down multiple times; background vocals predictably off-key.
Wave That Flag - Another pretty good version, as this develops toward becoming U.S. Blues.
El Paso - Okay version to end disc 1 on a bit of a thud (unless you're a HUGE El Paso fanatic); overall impression of this first disc: I might pop it in to hear the TLEO again some time, but that's about it.
CD 2
Here Comes Sunshine - Really nice, tight version; under 9 minutes, so it leaves me wanting more; some of the guitar work toward the end sounds distorted, but I can't tell if that's Jerry or the tape.
Me and Bobby McGee - Second surprise highlight after TLEO. A very solid version (although the drums at the beginning are surprisingly weak and plodding...weird); Jerry's bg vocals are priceless, and make me wish for more bg vocals from him and less from Phil and Donna.
Loser - Man, who doesn't love Loser? A very solid version. Jumped over to headyversion to look for comments on it, and there are none! Someone who posts there should give this bad boy a vote.
Playing In The Band - This is where my listening had to end. What I've heard so far sounds pretty good, but only made it a few minutes in before I had to bail.
Looking forward to the rest, but hoping for fewer (or lower-in-the-mix) Donna & Phil harmonies. The high ratings for Sing Me Back Home lead me to believe she may have actually hit a few on-key notes during the course of the show.
Will try to post more later in the week when I get a chance.

I was standing in my driveway yesterday when the USPS truck pulled up and the guy handed me a DaP 32. I told him that tracking said delivery on 11/5. He said that it did in fact arrive on 11/5 but he thought that I should have a weekend to enjoy it so he borrowed Jim’s John Deere and brought it to me on 11/2.
So, thanks Jim.

Made it through the whole thing yesterday and didn’t notice any skips or defects.
Listened to CD3 again last night once I was nicely marinated and holy smokes!! Smokin’ playing there and sound quality is amazing. The Jam has bits and pieces of just about everything you would expect from that era and then the quick Dark Star proper and a smooth slide right into Sing Me Back Home.
Pretty sure I listened to CD3 at least twice, but that’s where it gets a little fuzzy......
.......woke up at 11 am today, took the dog out, started making coffee, then realized that it was only 10 am.
Crap, forgot about the time change, could have slept in longer. Oh well, coffee is already brewing (super dark roast Columbian that I roasted myself - another thanks to Jim for convincing me to buy a roaster a few years ago) Might As Well take advantage of this extra hour and get started on a second listen to DaP 32.

Yes, an excellent choice Dave. Mighty fine mastering Norman.
Quality playing (currently on Row Jimmy) and excellent sound. Lots of Phil, had the house rattling yesterday. Drums seem at an appropriate level, no excessive kick drum like in 74.

Oh yeah, just remembered that last night after a Donna wail I concluded that I would take any Donna wail/scream over Wave To The Wind any day.

Credits:
Recorded by Rex and Kidd.
10” tapes provided through the assistance of ABCD Enterprises.

Thanks again ABCD!!

Here’s the story on ABCD for anyone who doesn’t know.

http://www.legalnews.com/detroit/1457673

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We must be listening to different shows because I didn’t detect any of the negativity that he seemed to find.
Probably because I went into this with an open mind and open ears. Wasn’t trying to compare it to other 73 releases, and I don’t pay attention to what is written on heady version.
We’ll have to wait for Vguy to give his verdict on Cumberland since he’s a big fan of that song.

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Thanks for helping! :-)

Hilariously Deader-than-thou response. Did I really just read a post implying that I don't go into a release with an open mind and open ears? Did this smug person read my post with an open mind?
The irony is so thick, you could cut it with a knife.
Yeah, man, we must be listening to different releases. Hooooo... (eye roll).

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Can't be sure what show arrived for Mr. Heartbreak, because we listened last night to the first set, Bertha thru Playing, and to our ears, this show (3-24-73, right?) is outstanding! The playing was so engaging and the sound quality so amazing, this is rated top shelf in my world. No work to listen, the band was in the zone and the well-articulated parts meshed perfectly. This show is in that top tier where there's no call for ranking anything. It's in the pool of those shows where it sounds effortless and that attracts the ear. As I said, no work on the listener's part to enjoy.

If any of this show sounds "meh" to you, may the gods have mercy on your soul.

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Would reeeeeeeeally like 3/21/73 to join this March/April constellation.

No complaints from me at all.

Following up 3 24 73 with 7 7 78, an O.T. show. Original Tape from the early 80s.

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Don't have mine yet. Is Donna having an exceptionally bad night, or is she on par with her usual sound?

I was thinking Dark Star would be the defining track on this set...but looking at the timings, its only just over 4 minutes long! I notice the jam leading up to it clocks in at over 22 minutes though. I think of Dark Star as being a jam more than a song anyway, so maybe its not so clear when the so called jam ends and Star begins.

Looking forward to getting it however the dice falls.

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....I don't play craps anymore. But when I did, it was 6 & 8 all day. Hardways are a sucker bet.
....edit. just as I posted this, daverock posts a comment of letting the dice fall. Amazing!!

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