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    In one of the other topics, one of the folks seemed not to be so sure of the reception he'd get for saying he was a youth minister at his church. In my experience, Deadheads span the full spectrum from Agnostic to Zoroastrian. I've met atheist Deadheads, Muslim Deadheads, Buddhist Deadheads, Catholic Deadheads, Jewish Deadheads, and Wiccan Deadheads. My Deadhead friends are all over the map on this stuff, and as far as I'm concerned one of the real richnesses of the scene is the ability to see how things look to other folks and, sometimes, experience it from their world. Believe it if you need it, if you don't, just pass it on. But talk about it here, and please maintain a safe respectful place to do so.

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  • cosmicbadger
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    I just think that everyone should respect and accept everyone else's opinion and just be kind and gentle with eachother and listen to the Grateful Dead.
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    Anyone else got an idea?
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    saucer of milk for Mr. Badger...
    ha ha!! i just re-read my post!!no no, i didn't mean that, you daft old coot!! what i meant to say, in my typically mangled fashion, was that i agree with your comments regarding "accept that the alternative is that there is no alternative and no need for an alternative...." in other words, what you write is a good way of looking at things; i MYSELF am looking too hard for answers and that applying that approach is quite sensible and reasonable!!! i rather stupidly linked that together and it came out in a Tower Of Babble!! i told you i write as thoughts enter the brain!!!! i never thought chinese whispers translated to the written form!! ha ha!! my apologies, CB, i quite royally fucked my response, Sir! (although i was tempted to remove that line and then castigate you for making shit up about me ha ha!!! we should've started a surreal feud where i finished the argument with that immortal showstopper, "thats what Hitler would've said!"). don't you dare turn bland on me or i'll come round to your abode with some sand for the vaseline!
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    '...but, as you wrote, maybe i'm too busy myself looking for answers ' I wrote nothing of the sort. I was merely answering your question and engaging in the debate as you invited. I was not criticising you or casting any nasturtiums (!) on how you live your life. Seems all I can do round here these days is unintenionally upset people I like. Seems I've lost my touch. Time to shut up and stick to the bland stuff.
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    thank you CB.i know i let my own confusion and disappointment spill over into incoherency. i try to type as feelings enter my mind which results in a jumble of fragments a lot of the time. i suppose it was one of the reasons why i thought better of it the first time i posted the videos; am i just contributing to criticism when i could've posted a more deeper, compassionate, emotional video? (unfortunately, some of the ones i'd like to have shared, i can't embed, including three wonderful documentaries: "We Were Here: The AIDS Years In San Francisco", "Baka: A Cry From The Rainforest" and "The Interrupters" about intervention in gang violence in amongst the youth of Chicago). maybe i'm frustrated sometimes that some who have such a sharp intelligence only use it for commentating instead of making a larger difference. but maybe that is THEIR reason for being here; to make others aware and point out wrongdoing. to get others to at least think and begin to question. i do believe that if the Church really spoke from the heart and laid themselves bare; if they apologised for some of these terrible crimes that have been perpetrated in their name, then a greater spiritual revolution and evolution would arrive. maybe this is pie in the sky. i suppose i should leave that behind too and just concentrate on looking forward, not backward. maybe it's just that sense of injustice that rankles so. i think that while i was heartened and appreciative when Fry & Hitchen said what they said, i was also slightly disappointed that they didn't engage in other ways of moving forward. but, as you wrote, maybe i'm too busy myself looking for answers instead of simply floating in this incredible pool of life as we know it and letting the current carry me wherever i'm supposed to go. i feel rather stupid now actually. but hey ho. i always regret starting these things, as i always feel i should've used my time more wisely. a rather unfortunate habit of riling against the world's ills, pissing in the wind and then explaining what i should've done instead. i get upset at the suffering some have to endure too easily i suppose. powerless in a way to help but feeling the hurt on their behalf so strongly. maybe there's an envy of others with a strong faith; to question so pointedly but offer no relief. hurt but feel helpless. maybe a self-imposed flagellation of some kind. but i do care, that's what i want to get across. fuck me, it's Therapy Thursday!! what a tremendous cock, eh?!! i need some light-hearted relief! comedy to the rescue and viewings of Michael Palin and Bruce Parry, i feel. my apologies everyone!! how embarrassing....
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    Hmm Actually I find the Hitchens' rant you posted not one of his best moments ...impressive and shocking in its way, but rather one dimensional too. Have you read his book 'God is not Great'; it is a much more balanced account, full of polemic (his dismantling of the mother Theresa myth is masterful), but also very witty, erudite and actually full of humanity too. You ask what alternative Hitchens offers. Well the trick is to accept that the alternative is that there is no alternative and no need for an alternative. We are what we are, here and now, we come from nothing and we go to nothing and if we all spent more effort making the most of that amazing situation we find ourselves in, the world would likely be a better place. Actually, for me at least, it is a form of letting go and liberation that perhaps a Buddhist would recognise (an irony that I am sure did not escape Mr Hitchens). In God Is Not Great he explains his vision 'Above all, we are in need of a renewed Enlightenment, which will base itself on the proposition that the proper study of mankind is man and woman [referencing Alexander Pope]. This Enlightenment will not need to depend, like its predecessors, on the heroic breakthroughs of a few gifted and exceptionally courageous people. It is within the compass of the average person. The study of literature and poetry, both for its own sake and for the eternal ethical questions with which it deals, can now easily depose the scrutiny of sacred texts that have been found to be corrupt and confected. The pursuit of unfettered scientific inquiry, and the availability of new findings to masses of people by electronic means, will revolutionize our concepts of research and development. Very importantly, the divorce between the sexual life and fear, and the sexual life and disease, and the sexual life and tyranny, can now at last be attempted, on the sole condition that we banish all religions from the discourse. And all this and more is, for the first time in our history, within the reach if not the grasp of everyone.'
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    a further musing, if i may...i'd be interested to hear from fellow Hitch admirers, their opinion on this trend of condemnation and negative association as opposed to offering alternatives and a dedication to them. there seems in my mind, an almost pathological obsession with nay-saying and critique; these issues must be addressed of course, but why relegate one's self to a sideline of commentary rather than pro-activity? i greatly admire Hitchens on many levels, and Stephen Fry's comments are also close to my heart. but, like Zappa was wont to do, it seems that a constant, almost obsessive buffeting of where others are going wrong; an intellectual wallowing in quicksand, that ultimately, offers forth no possible road map to a more agreeable state, is the preferred option. wouldn't time have been better spent positing a more agreeable course? this may well read like a mighty contradiction, and a frankly hypocritical idea from someone who has ranted and rained down scorn in the past; i hold up my hands. but, by passionately arguing for the removal of religious intrusion into the lives of the nonplussed, surely a debate equivalent to a literary roundabout is the only outcome. why not concentrate on something positive? why not dedicate one's life to a "better choice"? handsomely paid intellectual discussion, the equivalent of a Linus blanket; an enveloping warmth of fire-side safety-chat that is a lot easier to indulge in than a hoisting of the sleeves. the comfortable refuge of the "educated"? i'm not sure. i AM a fan. but i get tired of the apparent absolving of the commentator. a verbal jerk-off. maybe i commit the same "crime". maybe it's all healthy. maybe i'm still wrestling. anyone the patience to comment out there?
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    i take my bows, TL!!! you're very kind!i do think the points raised in the speeches are incredibly pertinent; they are things that must be addressed, i feel, by anyone claiming to be a "Catholic". i believe that many people would be horrified if it was their boss or mother or father that behaved in a particular way and spoke loudly and with self-justification and took it upon themselves to claim they were speaking on your behalf; people wouldn't stand for it and rightly so. but it seems that the Church, as an organisation, is allowed to behave in this manner. how come? that isn't a self-righteous remark, it's what happens, isn't it? i do believe that any religion should have the same warnings and restrictions that hallucinogenic plants endure. and natural let us not forget, these are NATURAL plants; if everything on earth was placed here by God, then they were put here for a reason also. both are dangerous, both can be abused, both can lead to enlightenment and comfort and safety and compassion and love. but they are the same. a quick mention of Terence McKenna's wonderful "Food Of The God's" book is important here. me personally? i'm only interested in whether people are Kynd or not. that is only what concerns me. i don't lay the blame for systematic torture, abuse and death at the feet of every Christian folk. something as futile and pathetic as treating every German as a fully paid up member of the nazi party and complicit in the holocaust. utter nonsense i think you'd agree. i encourage as many world views and opinions and beliefs and faiths as possible. none of us know what the answers are. so it means we're the same. i hope both sides of the argument take note. and yes, Mr. Pid, a topic for philosophical discussion would be a good addition. possible suggestions for a title could be: Islam or Isn'tlam? Our Führer, who art in Heaven McDonalds or Burka King? "I can't believe it's not Buddha!" Jeezy-Chreezy Lemon-Squeezy Allah Rama Ding Dong Choirboys have a centre parting because... Sikh And Destroy Sokka Cack-eye Ate My Hamster "I'm just not that Hindu you" "The Pope, a Black and a Jew walk into a Bar..." Christ Christ Baby, doo doo doo doo-do-do-doo-doo "He's not the Messiah, he's a VERY NAUGHTY BOY!" or Philosophy. whatever gets us through this complicated and sometimes scary life, i say. peace to all.
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    well, far be it from me to be a tease...your wishes are my command. however, contrary to posts that've been misinterpreted before, this video (in my opinion) is not intended to denounce religion or claim there is no God. i do believe there is a God, but not necessarily in the popular form so worshipped today. there is no doubt that many working in various religions around the world are selfless, honest and do more for humankind that either i, or very possibly, you, the good people on the forums. i do feel that if the Catholic Church were to really listen to what Mr. Fry & Mr. Hitchens had to say, and offer the kind of apologies that we would be so quick to give, then the world would be a better place. this is in no way intended to poke fun or belittle people's faith. these videos deal with facts that desperately need addressing. i think any moral, right-minded person would agree. i'm not an atheist and never will be. i'm not an "anything".
    The Intelligence² Debate - Christopher Hitchens... by Xrunner17
    The Intelligence² Debate - Stephen Fry (Unedited) by Xrunner17 please everyone think clearly before ripping it apart. i can see no reason why science and spirituality aren't the very best of bedfellows. let us remember that by only focusing on "intelligence" , one can be just as guilty and blinkered as another party.
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In one of the other topics, one of the folks seemed not to be so sure of the reception he'd get for saying he was a youth minister at his church. In my experience, Deadheads span the full spectrum from Agnostic to Zoroastrian. I've met atheist Deadheads, Muslim Deadheads, Buddhist Deadheads, Catholic Deadheads, Jewish Deadheads, and Wiccan Deadheads. My Deadhead friends are all over the map on this stuff, and as far as I'm concerned one of the real richnesses of the scene is the ability to see how things look to other folks and, sometimes, experience it from their world. Believe it if you need it, if you don't, just pass it on. But talk about it here, and please maintain a safe respectful place to do so.
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What is POTUS please??********************************** I am not young enough to know everything. Oscar Wilde
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President Of The United States And the road goes on forever.... BobbaLee
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DUH! Silly me! thanks BobbaLee********************************** I am not young enough to know everything. Oscar Wilde
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I found this entire thread interesting, entertaining, and inspirational. My own spiritual beliefs have changed over time. I used to belive that heaven and hell were places beyond the earth that we would all arrive at sometime after we passed on depending on how we lived our lives. I have come to believe that the ideas of heaven and hell are metaphors for what we feel or become as a result of our actions while we live here on earth together. Entheogens gave me a new perspective; I felt a palpable "kinship" to everything around me. My mind told me that I was connected to everything else because I and most everything around me was composed of mostly carbon and water, that all of the atoms I was made of came from something or someone before me, that all I was made of would pass on to someone or something else eventually, atomic soup. My first mind-blowing ego-busting experience with entheogens carried me into another realm of awareness which I can't put into words, though I try. I believe that beyond the physical being, somewhere between dreams and hope, there is a pure light inside of all of us. I miss the joyful glorious Grateful Dead Shows! Thanks to all those who have shared their experiences and beliefs. -sludj
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Artist: The Beatles Lyrics to Fixing A Hole: I'm fixing a hole where the rain gets in And stops my mind from wandering Where it will go I'm filling the cracks that ran through the door And kept my mind from wandering Where it will go And it really doesn't matter if I'm wrong I'm right Where I belong I'm right Where I belong See the people standing there who disagre and never win And wonder why they don't get in my door I'm painting my room in a colourful way And when my mind is wandering There I will go And it really doesn't matter if I'm wrong I'm right Where I belong I'm right Where I belong Silly people run around, they worry me And never ask me why they don't get past my door I'm taking the time for a number of things That weren't important yesterday And I still go Fixing a hole where the rain gets in Stops my mind from wandering Where it will go **************************************** And after fixing this whole, nothing lies in between! I'm taking the time for a number of things...
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I don't know how many millions Harold Camping spent on billboards advertising today as "judgement" day but I know it would have been much better if he had just donated the money to soup kitchens. See you tomorrow.
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just the occurrence of the "Rapture". Actual judgement day comes later, after the Apocalypse....of course, nothing has happened yet, and only He knows when it will, but yeah, dude shoulda made better use of his money..
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From a Christian perspective Jesus said that no one, not even him, knows the time except God the Father. That's why I don't get Christians who predict the end of the world! Whatever you believe you should be spending your time loving yourself and your fellow human beings "as yourself". That way it doesn't really matter! I plan to be checking back in tomorrow!
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And Ahnult is rather busy right now with his five kids, nanny & Maria Ave, Ave, Ave Mariiiiia! Been chipping up rocks from dawn till doom While my rider hides my bible in the other room
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and I just lost my temper. But I don't feel it's right to belittle anyone's spiritual or religious views.....this forum should be for honest discussion and sharing, so please excuse my response..
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groundrules pretty clear in this topic, please don't do this stuff here. Thanks. In current events, have at it, within reason.
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Now I remember why I don't go to church. Equate religiosity with being grim if you want. Banning others from doing so is just fascist and adds to your own ego. Been chipping up rocks from dawn till doom While my rider hides my clown mask in the other room
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I love a good joke as well as the next person, but humor at the expense of other's beliefs just feels wrong to me. My apology came from the heart, I'm sorry you can't accept it in the spirit it was given, please excuse me.
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I can vouch for Johnman enjoying a GOOD joke! :) Here's a cooky.********************************** I am not young enough to know everything. Oscar Wilde
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I'm not a facist, and my ego is too small to bother feeding...and I AM sorry. Forgive me, please, Anna??
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The point is that due to the difficulty of this thread topic, we have done a good job thus far (mostly) with keeping it interesting, civil, and kind. Perhaps Johnman was nerveous that if we start making cracks in here, all hell could break loose. This is really about the most delicate thread on this site. Crack all you want-but it would be wiser to do so in other threads :) As our mod marye said, the news and current events thread would be the better place for Arnold comments. The spiritual thing to do would be to accept Johnman's apology! :) ********************************** I am not young enough to know everything. Oscar Wilde
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it would've been a pretty hysterical post. But context is everything. Hey, it doesn't belong in tape traders either.
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What we need to do is to wrtite out what you're thinking, and then go explain what you meant by each and everyone of those words. Because even if you just want to keep the train rolling,and are doing it with a loving and egoless heart, or just trying to be funny, some people are just going to look for the worst in everything. If I thought about all the possible meanings people would come up with for everything I post before I posted it I'd never post anything. Forgive and forget,tomorrow's another day,
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I should have said, sometimes people are just..., instead of "some" people... happens when you have a lack of communication, I've done it too.
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about the moving along and tomorrow being another day.
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Too bad Dead,net can't, don't ever remember religion being a big topic at Grateful Dead shows, thank God.,But if you ever want to divide people,great forum.
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read the title piece.....we come in all beliefs, or none....and that's the point...believe it if you need it, if you don't jus' pass it on...makes perfect sense to me..........
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next!
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True Religion Jeans OutletOn June 12th, 2011 livfc1314 said: True Religion Outlet's founder and designer Jeffery Lubell, who in 2002 was elected as the best men's jeans Designer, he and his wife Kym expectations for True Religion Jeans Outlet, is hoping to establish a balance between Visual and sensory denim brand, and reveals in real wear sexy, is that they give the cowboy costume expression, Cameron Diaz, Jessica from the list of loyal customers with Discount True Religion Jeans Simpson, George Clooney SB And so on, is not difficult to see the many Hollywood artists also take practical action to support Lubell couple cowboy dreams. Regardless is walking down the red carpet or the sunny beach of the Avenue of stars, you can wear jeans, Cheap True Religion Jeans is to put author self-personality of the show you want to pass.
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spam post! I will go and seek it out. Meanwhile I will see if it generates any interesting riffs here.
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am also curious. Find the idea of Jeans for Jesus to be absolutely bizarre!!!!!!!********************************** I am not young enough to know everything. Oscar Wilde
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that I can think of several jokes about this company's name. Jeans so tight you see God when you wear them? Also the spam is very poorly written-maybe while they were designing True Religion jeans they forgot their English? ********************************** I am not young enough to know everything. Oscar Wilde
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that was not the idea, but I am not exactly hip to these fashion trends.
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that one cannot be concurrently into fashion and Jesus, but it hardly seems respectful, as others have pointed out, to go around wearing one's preferred sacred symbol on one's butt.
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guess I am not hip either, cuz never heard of this brand before today!********************************** I am not young enough to know everything. Oscar Wilde
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Hello to johnman, tigetlilly, maryeI miss my extended GD family here. Peace and love is the answer no matter what the clothing of belief system they wear. Still Missing Jerry. Furthur coming to Missoula in Sept., got tickets. How rare for any form of the Dead to appear around here. But they are. Hope nobody throws a beer bottle at them, which is what happened the only time the Grateful Dead came to Missoula. Well those plastic cups don't make very good missles, so they should be safe If the doors of perception were cleansed, everything would appear to man as it is, infinite. William Blake
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Nice to see yer still kickin'.....are you still on the dry side of Washington?.....and, again, God Bless All Here....even the spam faced spammers..
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Am smiling from ear to ear to see you posting!! Enjoy Further! ********************************** I am not young enough to know everything. Oscar Wilde
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Man I'd sure like to make it to Missoula... whoops, this is the religion thread... "It's got no signs or dividing line and very few rules to guide"
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Bless my stupid keyboard..
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I religiously hope I can make it to Missoula ... heehee "It's got no signs or dividing line and very few rules to guide"
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Music is spiritual, so you aren't off topic JackStraw and yes Johnman, I am still here on the other side of the Cascade Curtain. If the doors of perception were cleansed, everything would appear to man as it is, infinite. William Blake
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is that it didn't show up yesterday, when I deleted the spammer and several of his other posts!
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in "my web site", and "cosmic connections"...at that point I stopped looking, but I'll wager it's in "gainful employment" and a few others....including the vines.......
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sucker probably just went down the list....
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okay, I'll take a look.