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  • #6381
    DeadVikes
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    Good to see you back in the loop. Hope all is well. New system is always exciting.
    I am willing to give Dave's 31 another try. Haven't listened to it since last year.

    Took out Good old Dave's 25, the BINGHAMTON NY 77 show. Some of these shows keep getting better with each listen.
    Oroborous, you are a wild man. What a ride!

    Be well folks. I have heard rumblings in other pages about big announcements coming. Don't know about that but we do know Dave's 35 will be announced in July. Maybe they will give Oroborous an 85 pick?

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    6.28.85 Hershey Park....

    ....another one of my first tapes. Bird Song-> Comes A Time -> Deal. A rare Garcia trifecta to end the first. Music Never Stopped-> Tom Thumbs to open the second. How do you guys keep bringing up my first loves? And why does this band keep following me?
    Here's kind of a story. I tripped balls listening to this tape in 1989. That's all I got.

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    You know it's on Dave's radar as he has played some of it on 30 Days in past years. Good show and one of my first tapes. Keep the stories coming! :-)

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    So after basically staying up for 2 days at SPAC, we finally pack it up and hit the road the next day. I believe it was a rainy, gloomy day most of the day. But that didn’t stop our idiot patrol from basically racIng at high speed through the fine but conservative state of Pennsytuckey, where they were one of the last to let go of the 55 mph laws, and back then there usually wasn’t much tolerance. So 2 cars of totally raging nutknicks, with probably enough cargo to keep us detained for decades, thought it’d be a good idea to race at speeds up to 90!, Idiots!.....yes, one car had a radar detector, but in those days smart cops would wait for some nut traveling high speed and click it on when they had ya dead nuts.
    Luckily, all was well and it was one more “miracle” as we earnestly pursued our quest for “too much of everything is just enough”, aaaa, never considered back then maybe Bob was being sarcastic? Lol
    So we roll on into Chocolate town late and all beat up. I’m guessing we grabbed some kind of drive through, but not sure and as we were hardcore vegetarian then, perhaps we thought we’d grab something there? It’s all such a blur, I do recall the lot we were in had no or little Shakedown action going on. That still wasn’t in full flight anyway, and don’t recall much there, so maybe we drank our supper? I know I scored some Carlsberg Elephant beer, and believe I may have finished it, though that is a tall order even under good conditions so perhaps not. I’m sure I put in dent in it at least! So, that and the last of one z of veggies, though the tricky part was it was mostly just powder and scraps and so no normal produce to properly gage etc, which would turn out to be a tactical error...
    So it’s late, we’re tired, but tweaked, perhaps no dinner, and of course it’s horrible out. Dark, rainy, and cold is usually not how you want to do your Dead. Eventually we get in perfect time, slip right in front of the SB and try to make the best of the situation. Well I had a shirt, a black baseball jacket, and the electric Buffalo Hyde, but even still it was damp and cold at first. Eventually, when things started to take hold and we started boogieing, we began to warm up a bit.
    Meanwhile, the set list is awesome, but the conditions, which necessitated all the stage and PA speakers being covered in plastic (there was no stage lid) thereby severely effecting the audio. It’s was such a weird show that way, loved the little “stadium” and the nice audiophile stereo set up, with surrounds, great set list, mostly good playing, yes JGs vocals are a little ruff in the first set, but you have to cut some slack as it was terrible, I mean depending on the wind/rain they were getting rained on playing electrical instruments! Weird indeed, but like so many times in adverse conditions our heroes seemed to rise to the challenge. Thus the playing was perhaps more relaxed, steady and together and not forced like the previous night. Really, besides JGs vocal issues in the first, its a top notch show!
    The second set really starts to take it higher with stellar versions of Music Never Stopped, Terrapin, Miracle and one of the best Dews I’ve ever seen! I think I saw about 14 or 15 Dews and when I think about Dews I’ve seen, this one is the one I always think of first! Rocking Stones/NFA with a spirited Day Job. I liked Day Job, but by now it was getting a tad old, and was a disappointment for this show considering how high it was at that point. A She Belongs or Baby Blue would of been a perfect Cherry on top, but perhaps that’s being greedy?
    Now since the weather was such a factor, we must discuss that and how it influenced this show. The second set starts out with their “signing in the rain” as Bob says, and it’s a good’n! Next they slowly slid into an unusual sounding Tom Thumbs which I had never heard yet, and wasn’t even sure at first what it was, but hey, it was Phil so that’s all I needed to know! Good but perhaps truncated Estimated, followed by an awesome Terrapin. So as the set started to progress, so did the weather until (I think?) around Estimated it really started to clear up and they started pulling the plastic tarps down. It was almost like you could immediately hear it get better after each one was removed. Eventually by about Terrapin, they tarps we’re gone, the moon and stars were out, and Healy started increasing the volume and tweaking the mix. I remember we were goading him to turn it up, and man eventually he sure did!
    As the night wore on it began to warm up a bit too. But as you’ve heard this scenario, or been there yourself, many times I didn’t feel quite high enough so what the hell, one more time with the powder veggie crumbles just before drums......hee-hee....you know, “I’m not feeling it?” and then...Dooah!
    So the problem with those baseball jackets is they don’t really breath and the electric Buffalo Hyde was thick plastic. We didn’t have all the nice technical outer gear we have now, or at least WE didn’t. I could barely afford the free plastic one from the old mans work.
    Well a perfect storm mounted; little or no food, Elephants, veggies etc, no sleep, excess everything and underlying exhaustion, with me starting to overheat due to the above and dancing with that plastic shell on. Things were going unbelievable well, and partly influenced by the very recent passing of my Grandfather, during Dew, things peaked musically, the sound, the night, the stars, emotionally etc etc until I had one of the most powerful musical/emotional/psychedelic peak experiences of my life. Perhaps my all time GD moment, it was that powerful. But what goes up must come down and just like that the radiator blew and that last handful of shroom dust fully kicked in and somewhere in Throwing Stones, right during ashes, ashes all fall down, well.....I say i didn’t really fall down, it was more like an immediate realization that if I don’t sit down rapidly, I’m going down! LOL, so one way or another, depending on who you believe, I end up down in the soft, cool mud until near the end of the song, but I swear just as I tried to get up I knew it wasn’t going to happen, so right on que again I go back down. My friends to this day always bring up my perfectly coreographed “Dance moves” above all else that happened on this tour..35 years later and it’s still “ashes, ashes, Pedro falls down” !
    That would of all been well and good except things were very strange and weren’t wearing off, and I was barely functioning. I never would of found the car etc If not for my homies. Honestly all I remember is them pulling into a Wendy’s or something, but I just sat in the car with my face literally stuck to the window and crackled! Zzzzttttt. I really thought I had finally fried some essential circuits and thought this time I really did it. At some point I snapped out enough to find some kids in another car staring at me with a look of concern if not fear. Luckily, the boys finished up and came out and got us outta there. Somewhere near the state line we finally grabbed a motel as we all had had more than enough rain and adversity. Plus the next day was off and the drive short. I remember they propped me up in bed and I just sat and crackled and worried. Eventually I slept and though I felt better the next day, I didn’t feel normal and don’t recall much except when we got to Merriweather and found a good spot just over the creek, right next to the path, in some trees, on the way to the big parking lots to the right of the venue. But now it was nice and I was feeling more normal so not so freaked out. I also remember going to a nearby sorta plaza with an upscale liquor store where I scored my first sixer of EKU 28 ever which was awesome!
    So now we’ve moved beyond the insanity of TOGA, the adversity and majesty of Hershey, and ready for perhaps the best overall show of the tour on 6/30/85....

    EDIT: Otis, congrats on the stereo. All that matters is if your happy with it. After all the specs and hyperbole etc, no matter how big, small, expensive etc, in the end, that’s all that counts!

  • #6385
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    Nice rec for the TDIGDH 6/28/76 show! I'd never heard that one before, and it is pretty sweet. The "Happiness is Drumming" is certainly a highlight!

    I have been out of the loop for a bit - trying to deal with some personal stuff on my end, and I just kind of lost track of things around these parts. I hope to be able to participate more going forward.

    To that end, how about a pick for tomorrow, Monday 6/29? I am thinking Dave's 31 - 12/3/79 Uptown. I feel like this pick got a short shrift on the DaP page, but I remember being very happy with it, though I haven't given it a proper listen since it first came out. What do you all think?

    One positive thing that I have accomplished since I've been away has been the set up of my first component stereo system. I don't know if it compares to all of your "big boy" systems, but it certainly feels BIG in my little row home! Looking forward to playing it LOUD tomorrow when the wife goes to work.

    Peace

  • #6386
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    Bode Miller...

    First, GOGD, I did not mean to single you out, over generalizations, which become stereotypes, which become truth etc, really bum me out. So it was more of a trigger to that, not you personally. I know you were just repeating this line.
    Actually, as I’ve dug in deeper, there are probably a significant number of shows where he often doesn’t sound so good, but to over generalize that “his voice was shot”, as in never more, to me, imho, that completely devalues and discounts all the amazing, great sounding stuff he was still able to do. 87,88,89,90,91anyone? Micro view versus macro perhaps?

    SECOND: I must humbly recant my tale of dancin in the rain. As we were diligently experiencing TOGA last night. Too things became apparent. First, perhaps JG was a tad “caffeinated” at the start of both sets. Listening close on a real system, (not the big boy, but the living room system which ain’t no slouch!), he seems a tad to fast and/or their not fully entrained. One could argue not fully so until Women Are?...so probably something to do with him totally skipping the Key Rain Storm, and Jailhouse versus, of Bertha, lol.
    Thus, while I wasn’t deceitful, I was not accurate. Sure enough, when Holmes and Watson ripped a spleef and fired up Bertha from SPAC 6/24/84, and bingo, ding, ding, ding, ding! Right venue, wrong year! 😂 Ooops, my apologies to the dear reader...but hey, it’s a fun interesting new tid bit, and it did rain, I think, lol.
    While doing this research I was listening just on the iPad and interestingly he doesn’t sound as bad? Also, I’ve been going with the HS matrixes, especially shows where I want to hear those crowd big moments. Generally they’ve been pretty good, but researching, I used a CM transfer and man, definitely a big difference. Perhaps number one being the speed/time of the Miller seemed better and more natural?
    Subjective I know, just that it’s interesting how every variable can effect perceptions.
    6/27/85: so this beast is still as much of a rocket sled ride as I’ve thought, but it’s perhaps a tad more unpolished then I would of said in the past. But that’s being picky, and you know I prefer danger dead to safe, so as at this moment, Hell in a bucket is scorching, I stick by this show for that, the cool set list, and the fact that eventually, say around Women Are on out, that part of the show stands with its lofty summer 85 neighbors. Probably have to give 6/24& perhaps 6/25? a slight advantage overall, but man I haven’t been to many shows that had the vibe, fun, and overall madness of this puppy.

    So why is 85 Dead like Bode Miller? He often was criticized for his erratic style, or lack thereof, his nonconformity, often disregard for the rules, including parting then basically going 80 MPH down an insane pitch, that was usually hosed down to make it more icy, and thus faster! So just like this era of Dead, sometimes he’d DQ, sometimes he’d slack off, sometimes it was ugly, but when he brought it, that mofo brought it!! and when he was able to be one with the force, it was fucking breathtaking! Scary, but breathtaking. No matter what, if he was racing there was an energy, an excitement, that larger than life vibe......that, to me, is 85 Dead.
    FINALLY: Ladies and Germs, May I present the Electric Buffalo Hyde! as christened by my degenerate cohort due to my resemblance of the great beast of the prairies back in the day, and this baby used to be so bright people would ask if there were batteries. But Alas, like youth itself it’s faded dramatically, and is old and bartered. It definitely gave it’s all to R&R. So many Dead shows, festivals, camping, parties, you name it! Also, it will be a part of an unfortunate situation at the next night, where I lost my shit in Hershey! So until then....

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    If you are too busy to listen to whole show, listen to Happiness is Drumming from set II, if you have never heard or listened to listen you will be pleasantly surprised!!! There is a Charlie Miller soundboard on Internet Archive!!!! bob t

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    Sounds like the ole SPAC '85 show will get some play today.

    Always a fun revisit. Vguy & Keithfan that was you guys?! That's funny.

    I guess I always thought this was an indoor show because of the balcony stuff and didn't know about the rain storm.

    Tell us more.

    And just for the record if I happen to say Jerry's voice is shot, what I mean to say is I love Jerry's voice, even though it's a little shot here. ;)

    I agree, it always sounds great to me.

    Enjoy party people!

  • #6389
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    We were out on the lawn so actually there were many drops, I mean it was already raining hard, and right when he sang that line, biblical!, but it just added to the madness and was one of my favorite concert/rain moments ever! I believe that’s right when folks crashed security on those balcony ramp ways and turned it into a free for all? Yeah, that was the shit, such energy all around, but that rain just took it to another level. Luckily I had my electric buffalo Hyde on! .....it was a psychedelic neon yellow long rain coat with
    BS CORP
    WORK SAFELY (from pops work) printed on back, and a Dancin skeleton sticker underneath that I added. Still have it! I should take a pic and post...fond it moving last year.

  • #6390
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    Deadheadbrewer: yeah, I’m with you, I can’t keep up with these rascals! Pant-pant 😉
    Haven’t done Riverbend, Nassau or Dane. Prolly give Nassau a spin this WE. Dane I’ve tried to stay away from cause ya gotta believe their going to give us that one someday! Bastards better! and I’d prefer it on virginal ears!
    hey, by the way, how you guys coming on that tunnel under the vault?
    So I listen to Riverbend 6/24/85 sort regularly so no biggie there except in the sense of comparing shows. Except It’s cool to go in order to see the subtle changes and how things progress. Like 6/25/85, definitely have felt a ascending arc since the first night in Alpine. Funny thing is I don’t think I’ve heard the second set of this one before? Had a tape of the first all along, but I think it was a tad too crisp so didn’t get as much love as the shows around it. Plus I think maybe I harbored some subliminal resentment for the show because of our decision to skip it to go to Toga early like we did in 84, which was awesome. Obviously if it made us skip a show that close to home, but Doooaahhh. So not sure how it’s the shows fault. LOL, but I think somehow I’ve had some weird thing about this show that has kept me away? Sorry, ramblings of a deranged lunatic!
    Anywho, finally gave this bad boy a spin yesterday, though had to do it in 2 sessions as life just keeps buttin’ in like a 3 year old when mom and dad are trying to get down! Man what a show. The only really noticeable hiccup I recall was JG at the start of Jimmy, and Bob missed a vocal, really a great set, better than I remember, though I always liked it, just the tape was lesser then the others...
    Second set was hot too, though perhaps they lost just a little near the end? Or maybe that was me as it was late, and by that time on a Friday this ole cowboy is usually not feeling much pain! I recall a couple little blemishes, but so what, you name any show, anyone, and I can find stuff wrong. And sorry, but I’m kinda over hearing about how terrible JGs voice is. Yes, sometimes it’s ruff, but sometimes I think the gravelly age worn voice ADDs to the affect of the songs, which is perhaps what he did best. And frankly, I’ll take the gravel voice singing in tune over a lot of that 1970 stuff we’re between the guitars and the vocals something is ALWAYS out of tune. That’s torturous for a musician.
    Now I’m not trying to diss anyone’s favorite Dead etc, just stating an opinion that people perhaps overdo it with the voice comments. My favorite is when people say “I can’t listen to anything after 77”....ok, we’ll that’s cool as it’s your choice and all, but I’d say really you just have made up your mind you don’t want to like anything after that, and you probably haven’t heard enough and with the right kind of ears. Seriously, I challenge anyone to pick a “perfect” “best of “ show and if I have time I will find the cracks!
    But that’s missing the point which is ITS ALL GOOD! and every era has something positive that the others don’t have. It’s all ways been yin yang folks, there is no such thing as a perfect show, except in our minds eye, which is quite A ok.
    Ok, rant over, I’m obviously biased about my beloved 85!
    Which brings us back to TOOOOOOOGGGGAAAAA!! Yo Butch, back in your seat, there’s 50 thousand people waiting for you to get back in your seat! Madness, the whole scene there was just surreal fucking madness, but in a good way.
    I’m actually going to try and call my old house/band mates at the time as we all went. 2 I think went to blossom, and Pittsburgh. That one too, like WTF basically could of stopped by on the ride home from Merriweather, idiots! Lol, actually, I’m not sure I could have done another show. I may have caused permanent damage at Hershey, and thank god for that day off that I can’t recall much about, and I did take it a tad easier after, but not much. We ate so many veggies on that run that nobody would believe it. But I know what I came with and what was left after so.....looking back, it’s all kinda scary, we’re lucky we never had any real casualties of any sort. Few close calls, but nothing major, phewwww.
    So going to call the lads, and fire up Toga tonight as We have to do a Zoom wedding this afternoon. We were supposed to be out at the Promised land for said wedding and a actual vacation, first since Seattle in ?? 2012!
    Think Homer Simpson “oohhhh, Ssstttooooopid Covid”
    Speaking of living via the net, was that not a fine show on Shakedown last night! Didn’t have the fire like the night before, but a fine well played outing, thanks so much to Dave and Co. for giving us this nice diversion. It’s getting to b3 a regular weekly thing, and gasp, the Mrs has actually been joining me and digging it! .....as long as I give her a good foot massage (usually during drums). She really digs the trippy graphics and colors which is even funnier as she’s never partaken except booze back in da day, it’s like giving a kid castor oil just getting her to have a beer, lol. So yeah, this Friday thing has been like the “ONE” in our music! Right on! and please keep em coming!
    Ok, gotta try and call the guys and reminisce before the wedding. Then.....drum rolls please..........TOOooooGa!

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Bolo24 says: An Idea, Perhaps? Since we're all going to have a fair amount of spare time on our hands for the foreseeable future, what about starting another thread where we all listen to the same show/release on a given day and then share impressions afterward? Folks can submit suggestions and one person (not me) picks what we'll all listen to - call it Deadnet Picks or something. Anyway, if this idea is deemed to have merit, I'd suggest one of the loyal regular posters take the lead and do the picking - y'all can decide who. Might be fun. If it does go forward, I nominate Dick's Picks 18 for the first listen. Been talked about here lately, and, had it been a single show rather than a compilation, we'd probably be talking about it in the same conversation as Cornell, Veneta, etc. Or perhaps even Gainesville?? Stay safe and healthy, friends - this planet needs as many Deadheads as possible.
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Yes, Rider is slow and steady-I like it as they really seem to dig in and locate the meaning of the song. If it had cropped up too often in this format it may have worn out its welcome. But as this approach didn't last, it works really well for me when I hear it.
I like the way the acoustic set provides a sort of historical framework for the approach and songs on Working Mans Dead. The newer songs fit in well with the covers, taking them as a source, but moving on into their own identity.

The electric sets are stellar - very powerful r'n'b roots showing through. I prefer the Good Lovin's of this year compared to the ones in 71 and 72. In 1970 emphasis was more on the guitars and not so much on the rapping - but I accept that I am in the minority there.
Another thing I noticed was Bob's high profile in the mix. I found myself focussing on his playing during Lovelight-truly one of the most original rhythm guitarists, and for me, he really shines on these two shows.

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As I was 16 this concert was like going to a carnival with two bands. Even though the Fillmore had seats great moments in music would have people dancing. This concert was liberating for me in that I was way more lively then my first Dead show a few months earlier. This time i was up dancing when the music lended itself., that was a good portion of the early show. Joshua Light Show was other worldly. For the Dead they mainly used the overhead projector with the pulsating ameba effect. During the acoustic set and NRPS the light show used 16mm footage from upstate NY & VT of old farms and meadows , mountains, and had a travelogue footage driving on back dirt roads, horses grazing. Also an old locomotive coming around a curve headed straight for the viewer. And then the more psychedelic light show for electric set. All super tripped out but low tech by any modern standard. The music has a fresh sound to this day.

I attended this concert with three different friends, Mikey D, Dickie Z, and B. White. Fifty years ago, Eee-ho-lay ! Listening today is a mind bender of time , and space.

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Submitted by Gollum on Fri, 05/15/2020 - 17:45

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This show has some of my favorite acoustic Dead.

* The Ballad of Casey Jones. I've always loved old-timey country and bluegrass, like Hank Williams and Jimmie Rodgers. For me, Garcia's vocal here stands head and shoulders with those two greats. I remember when I first heard it on an old low quality cassette. It was like discovering an ancient scratchy Jimmie Rodgers recording. Now, luckily we have it in great quality. Garcia said he had deeply conservative and traditional musical instincts that he tried to fight against. I think his traditional instincts won the day for much of this early acoustic stuff.

* Silver Threads and Golden Needles. This performance sounds to me almost like a duet between Garcia's guitar and Weir's vocal. Garcia follows Weir's vocal line so closely, it's like a "call and response". Brilliant Garcia picking on this tune.

Thanks for sharing your memories of this show Strider.

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Submitted by JimInMD on Fri, 05/15/2020 - 19:04

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I had grand plans for this show, but everything conspired against me. Instead of plowing through it.. I am rain checking it until I can give it the attention it deserves.

By grand plans.. well. If you know me you know what I have in mind. All day, no phone, no email and more than a little extra to keep my attention. Today would have been a distracted listen at best.

I will be sure to write. I will say.. adding to Gollum's comments, I think it's either the best recorded or the best remastered 1970 acoustic dead to be released, and I for one am thankful for that.

I promise to fit this in, it is a show that deserves some careful attention.

When are we working towards valentines day, 11/8 and February / March 69 again? hehe.

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Submitted by Vguy72 on Fri, 05/15/2020 - 21:23

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....I Hear A Voice Calling is so lilting. So smooth. So glorious. Some songs have been known to make my eyes moist, and this is on the list. The narrow way indeed. I love these shows.

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Submitted by Gollum on Fri, 05/15/2020 - 22:17

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Yes, I may also need a rain check on this one. I couldn't give it the attention it deserves today. Nice point Daverock about the historical framework for the Workingman's Dead material. I hadn't thought about that before. Also agreed on Weir's guitar in Lovelight. He's really in a groove. Not to mention his vocals! Those primal scream howls near the end really work for me.

rain check- I didn't even get to the Dark Star today.

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Submitted by daverock on Sat, 05/16/2020 - 03:55

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I forgot to say.. the fact that the Dead wrote a song called Casey Jones, and then revived a song called The Ballad of Casey Jones, which is apparently a traditional song, also seemed to underline their desire to reconnect with American roots music. Both played on 5/15.

I saved the Dark Star till late at night, when I felt I would be a bit more receptive to its charms. And then fell asleep about 5 minutes in. Oh well, I've not got much planned for today.

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Submitted by Vguy72 on Sat, 05/16/2020 - 12:48

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....to quote Bobby at the start of Greatest Story Ever Told, "Whoooo!!".
Took the family out to eat last night for the first time in nine weeks. BBQ. It was glorious. I got my baby back, baby back, baby back ribs. Double "Whoooo!!

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Submitted by Gollum on Sat, 05/16/2020 - 13:12

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You are correct Sir!

I've only got these three albums on vinyl, and I got them down from the attic a few hours ago. I haven't listened to any of them yet, but I am struck by the covers. You can really appreciate them in this larger format. The one for Rolling Thunder-as can be seen by your avator, VGuy - is beautiful.

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Submitted by Strider 808808 on Sat, 05/16/2020 - 14:16

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Garcia, Ace and Rolling Thunder are all three by far my favorite solo records by said artists.
Only listened to early show yesterday of 5/15/70 . Late show today. Maybe Garcia later. So I will Garcia later on the (72 alligator)

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Submitted by bluecrow on Sat, 05/16/2020 - 15:09

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"Garcia" is a favorite album. LP Side 1 introducing 4 classic Hunter-Garcia songs. LP Side 2 is a brilliant, sublime suite of music and sonic weirdness. One of the songs at the core of my GD "universe" is The Wheel, and Jerry's pedal steel here is out-of-this world beautiful!

Not sure if everyone here knows it - there was an expanded version of the album released by Garcia Family/Rhino ca. 2005. 1 CD, OOP, pricey nowadays on the secondary market but to my mind very much worth tracking down. Very cool liner notes by Hunter, he was in the studio - he describes lyrics for The Wheel coming together as he listened to Jerry's pedal steel. A fascinating bonus track is the Late for Supper/Spidergawd/Eep Hour alternate take. Jerry begins by playing a series of crashing chords on the piano, letting them hang and fade to nothing. I love listening to each banging chord in its fullness. At the start of the track, Jerry's telling Billy K. what he's about to do re the chords, and then he says - "I'll do some weirdness - it'll be weirdness, weirdness, weirdness." Ha!

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Submitted by Gollum on Sat, 05/16/2020 - 15:16

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First impressions. What a gem. I can't believe I'm just hearing it for the first time now. Thanks to Wiki for the album notes and credits.
* Two jams with Jerry, Mickey and Zakir Hussein! I love Zakir and have been lucky to see him live a few times. I knew he worked with the Dead and Mickey before but didn't realize they went all the way back to 71/72. Top shelf stuff.
*"Deep Wide and Frequent" - a major highlight. A guitar blizzard with Jerry, Cippolina, and two other cats I haven't heard of before. The guitars are all great here, but the only one I can recognize for sure is Jerry (maybe Cippolina)
*David Freiberg does some nice vocals. Freiberg seems to get lost in the shuffle of fine San Francisco musicians and it's nice to hear him here. "Fletcher Carnaby" is an oddity- a menacing song with Hunter lyrics.
*The arrangements of Playin' in the Band ("Main Ten") and Greatest Story ("Pump Song") are interesting and the expert horns are a nice touch. Garcia playing "Insect Fear"? Well I don't know what Garcia is playing exactly, but it's unmistakably Jerry.

[Vguy- yes, alas, "Walk in the Sunshine", the poor thing. at least the Dead identified it as a turkey early on]

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I know it's not released but it will be something different, and I could go for the Scarlet>Touch>Fire second set opener and was as Dark Star encore.... bob t

....that show will be a Daves at some point. Just biding our time. And yes. And it was released. 36 years ago.
Rolling Thunder is the shit. My neighbors are firing off fireworks in celebration!

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Submitted by Vguy72 on Sat, 05/16/2020 - 20:33

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....Main Ten = PITB.
That's how things work. Eep Hour.
Dead Horns are under represented.

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Submitted by The Good Ole G… on Sun, 05/17/2020 - 09:26

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Presented in three segments, an evening with the Grateful Dead featuring the New Riders Of The Purple Sage falls more into the category of a music experience than a concert. - Jeff from Variety May 27 1970

I spent the weekend having that music experience, Friday for the Early Show & Saturday for the late show. And it all lined up on the 50th anniversary.

It was an epic revisit of some beloved shows. Throughout this revisit, I couldn’t help thinking as I listened to the amazing quality & completeness of this material that I would’ve killed to have these tapes in high school. It was unattainable for me then. But I used to dream of it…
Well, we’ve got them now!

These two shows represent the first “an Evening with the Grateful Dead” at the Fillmore East and the last time they did Early and Late Shows there. By this point the NY heads had learned that the early shows were kept short & the true magic happened in the late shows.

There’s magic in both of these shows, but the “true” magic definitely happens in the late show.

I decided to do the full meal deal on these two and grabbed the NRPS sets as well, which are both nicely recorded by the patched in Fillmore East crew, I believe.

Early Show -
Acoustic 9 songs = 46 minutes
NRPS 8 songs = 30 minutes
Electric 7 songs = 1 hour
Over 2 hours of music

Late Show -
Acoustic 10 songs = 51 minutes
NRPS 13 songs = 1 hour 13 minutes
Electric 14 songs = 2 hours
Over 4 hours of music!

TOTAL BOTH SHOWS = Over 6 hours of music!

The Acoustic set for the Late Show is one of the best ever, as previously mentioned here on this thread. Pigpen teases Good Lovin’ in the early show a couple of times, and throughout both shows, they didn’t play it until like 5 hours later and boy when they did, it is Hot. The Dark Star > St. Stephen, incredible! Throughout it all you can feel the Fillmore East vibe, especially apparent during the closing Turn On Your Lovelight rave up after about 6 hours of melting minds.

What it must’ve been like in the Fillmore East that night! The Dead lit that place on FIRE. While listening, I sat there shaking my head so many times, amazing amazing stuff here folks, just amazing.

The only real flaw in the music we have here is the omission of the late show Candyman*, which suffers from a reel flip on the FE crew tapes & was left off the official Vault release. That makes me curious to compare the uncirculated Vault version of the Bob Matthews recording to the FE crew version and see if there’s some patch material. It is an amazing version of Candyman! Very similar to Calebration version from 8/30/70, but earlier and more intimate, somehow. Jerry’s voice is just amazing on both of these shows and in 1970 in general.

I’ve always had some issues with this release due to the tracking of the songs being cut up and spread out on various CDs. I’ve had them in the right order for years in my music player, but the in’s & out’s weren’t working for me, causing my completist OCD to flair every time I listened and therefore avoid repeated plays. I understand the reasoning behind these edits and am not complaining, just saying. But this weekend I found myself with the time and finally re-tracked the songs, especially the late show, added the NRPS and was able to fully immerse myself in the music in it’s original order at this high level of quality.

At the time of these shows, Workingman’s Dead was done and pressed and would be released shortly after this show (the exact date seems to be in question, but in my research it drops about 10 days later.) This show represents the new material as good as any shows from this time. You get every song that would be on Workingman’s Dead except High Time (played quite well the night before) and you get the three songs that they’d already written and were performing from American Beauty: FOTD, Attics & Candyman.

Cool point of interest.. Robert Hunter would be writing 3 more new tunes very soon after this, all in one day, when the band headed to England for the Hollywood Music Festival on 5/24/70: Ripple, To Lay Me Down, Brokedown Palace.

* The Late Show Acoustic set group of Black Peter, FOTD, Uncle John’s Band, Candyman is a must hear in it’s original order, even with the reel flip. It’s some of the finest representations of these songs at this point in the Dead’s recorded history. Also of note the missing banter after Candyman leading up to Pigpen’s performance is fun and worth a listen. Jerry announces that they’ll finish off the Wooden Section with a gospel tune with some NRPS, Pigpen says wait a minute don’t I get to play a song before you do that fuckin’ religious song? And Bob hops on the mic asking the crowd if they wanna hear Pigpen, and does his Dog Suckin-ist man in showbiz rap. Then you get to hear the rare set up & crowd situation of Fillmore East, somebody does a Tarzan Yell, and Pigpen says “Heard You’re Fired!” (Sonny Heard), another Tarzan Yell, “You’re fired twice” and then a female audience member does it too, it just makes you feel like you’re there. And then you get Pig’s two fine acoustic tunes from the release.

That brings me to wonder if David Lemieux has ever posted the 5/15/70 late show Candyman from the Vault anywhere? I’d sure love to see if we can patch this FE crew Candyman with the Vault version. It’s worth an ask as the version is sublime.

David Lemieux may we request a 5/15/70 Late Show Candyman please? Thank you very much!

Well if you made it this far… thank you very much!

I wonder how many people actually saw both shows from that night and lived to tell about it.. if you’re out there, I would love to hear your stories.

To wrap it up, when I first heard “rumors” of these legendary shows the Dead would do in 1970, with an Acoustic Set, the NRPS and The Electric Dead and they’d call them An Evening with the Grateful Dead, I would drift off and think how amazing it would be to hear that!

Well some 35 years later, it’s as amazing as I’d always dreamed it would be.

PS - Yesterday’s pick of Garcia, Bob Weir “Ace” & Mickey Hart “Rolling Thunder” was the perfect music to come down from this here wild trip through 5/15/70.

Thanks Bolo!

PPS - Strider88: Thanks for that great story!
Everyone Else Here: Thanks for picking shows to listen to everyday and for your wonderful input and insights.
BobT: 7/13/84 you say, I’ll listen to that.

Be Well

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Submitted by Thats_Otis on Sun, 05/17/2020 - 12:45

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I've been out for a bit - just needed to take a bit of a break from the computer, as that is now all that I do during the work-week. That being said, I grilled some brats and veggies on Friday, which was hot and sunny here in Bmore, and listened to all three discs of 5/15/70 - what a release. I was planning on skipping it, as I had listened to it quite recently, but I am glad that I thought better of it and dug in. I agree with all here - those acoustic tracks may be the best acoustic 70 released. Love it!

I didn't do the solo albums yesterday, as I was away from the house and I do listen to them on a regular basis - well, Garcia a lot, Weir a bunch, and Rolling Thunder here-and there... I will at least try to give Rolling Thunder a relisten soon.

Yesterday and today I've listened to Greek 8/13/83, and today I have gone through 8/14 and 8/15... loving it!

I think that today is 7/13/84? Perhaps I will put that on if I ever get out of this Greek Theater 83 groove. Talk about a box set that is crying to be let out!

Peace

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Submitted by bolo24 on Sun, 05/17/2020 - 13:39

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Ace: "Playing In The Band" is my pick for a studio recording that most closely resembles a quality live performance. Just splendid! Jerry's nothing less than a savant on this one.

Garcia: "The Wheel" is sublime, my favorite version across any spectrum. The way that frantic opening just dissolves into a vat of honey-dripping pedal steel goodness is soul-cleansing. And Eep Hour - wish it went on for another 20 minutes. So calming and transportive, then handing the baton off to that ethereal "To Lay Me Down." Just what I needed yesterday.

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Submitted by Gollum on Sun, 05/17/2020 - 22:19

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The solo album triple header was a great idea. Thanks to all. I don't know why I've ignored those albums before, but now all 3 are going to be getting plenty of love from me.

Thanks for the excellent 5/15/70 write-up GOGD. Spreading the listening out over a few days is definitely the way to go with such an epic show. Anyways, several of us now have a rain-check for the show. To be continued!

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Submitted by Vguy72 on Sun, 05/17/2020 - 23:16

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....go by so fast. General consensus that The Garcia Wheel is certainly special. It's cool that what I think is cool is pretty much cool with y'all.

This was the one I was least familiar with, out of the three, so this was the one I played last night. And I remembered why its the least played. I don't like it very much. I didn't then, and I'm afraid I don't now. With one shining exception...who plays that blinding guitar solo on Deep Wide and Frequent? Looking at the guitarists who feature, I assume its Jerry, but I wouldn't have identified him if I had been played the track without knowing who was on it. Sounds like John McLaughlin to me.

I don't know if I'll get round to the other two-but I remember them as stone classics.

Studio Album Double stretched into a Triple

Ace - I agree with Bolo24 the band nailed that Playing In The Band, that’s about as close to their live sound as I’ve heard them jam on record. I can’t even think of any contenders off the top of my pointy head. Anybody?

And it’s recorded really well by Bob & Betty.

The band & Jerry in particular sound pretty comfortable at Wally Heider’s by this point.

The ole “What If?” Scenario comes to mind.
What if they’d recorded the other new songs there at this time…

It struck me that part of the reason they played at such a high level during the Europe ’72 tour could’ve been directly related to this extra Studio time that Weir booked.

It would seem that when the band got together and worked on stuff, it usually showed on tour.

This wouldn’t be the only factor, but just an additional factor to why they played so good on that tour / year. Just speculation, but damn ’72 is a good year!

and I like to think about the reasons why…

Garcia’s album is timeless.. I love his playing, his choice of what to play never ceases to please. His tasty organ fills especially stuck out to me upon this listen, check out Bird Song. The Wheel that’s some good jams.

Mickey’s Album was a fun listen.. filled with oddness and seems to represent Mickey quite well. I hadn’t really listened to that one other than the Main Ten & Pump Song, and was curious. It’s different, just like Mickey!

Alright, what’s on the haps today? I saw some mention of May ’83 & July ’84 Greek Theatre shows.

Taper’s Section made me want to listen to the first Acoustic set from 12/19/69

Picks, picks anybody got some Pick’s of the Day?

RE:GOLLUM - that’s a good rain check to have my friend!
Enjoy that when it’s the right time, I’m still recovering, it’s definitely a music experience to be savored.

RE:VGUY72 - What you’re saying here is pretty much cool with me ;)

RE:DENNIS - PM received, Thank you!

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Submitted by billy the kid on Mon, 05/18/2020 - 10:45

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I went to this show, it was alot of fun. Most all the shows I went to were fun. This show certainly could be a Dave's Picks, or part of Greek box set.

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Submitted by The Good Ole G… on Mon, 05/18/2020 - 10:54

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You got any 7/13/84 stories?

Did you see all 3 nights of that Greek Run?

You saw a lot of shows!

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Submitted by bolo24 on Mon, 05/18/2020 - 11:49

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Was fortunate to attend all of 'em.

Billy the Kid usually sat/stood right behind me with a beer in each hand and a supermodel on each arm.

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Submitted by Strider 808808 on Mon, 05/18/2020 - 12:03

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Had a party when the album Garcia came out in early 72.. As I remember I played the record several times in a row. The clarity was a rush. Eep Hour is truly a
masterpiece. All tracks are excellent .
Ace was also a major release that year. We had the 8-track version of Ace as part of driving w friends from CT. to CA. in June 72. The portable 8-track player would make the chachunk sound when tracks changed. Ace’s “Playing”was defiantly the closest to a live recording of any studio album GD or solo records. Rolling Thunder was the most avant-garde album start to finish . I still have a very holy original Rolling Thunder t-shirt made by Mouse around mid 70s that I bought at the old long gone Postermat in North Beach , San Francisco. Ben Friedman who had the Postermat was a legend in his own league.
Will check out Greek 84, seems like I had a cassette copy.

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Submitted by The Good Ole G… on Mon, 05/18/2020 - 12:53

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BOLO24: Nice! Billy The Kid just gained more status..
I'll limit myself to 2 questions, you can answer none, 1 or 2, or do whatever you want.. that's how we roll, I'll be happy with whatever you decide.

1. Did you have a favorite from those 3 nights?
2. Did you see the shooting star during Dark Star?

Also any great stories or anecdotes you wish to share are totally welcomed, jsyk ;)
(BTW Someday you must share the Human Be-In tale, but I digress)

Always loved these Greek shows and hearing about them from people who were there is fun.

STRIDER88 - Ben Friedman sounds like someone I should learn more about. At first I thought you were talking about Glen E. Friedman, another legendary figure. But I'll do some research now that my curiosity is peaked. Dig the flashback on the Studio Albums.

VGUY72: It sounds like BTK didn't stop.. but maybe he just stopped listing them. BOLO24 says BTK used to stand behind him with supermodels.. there's more to this story I believe.

Keep em coming you all, this is a nice distraction to doing anything productive.
Plus I'm on chat hold.. forever.

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Submitted by billy the kid on Mon, 05/18/2020 - 13:45

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I kept going to shows after 1983, it's just a pain in the ass to list them all . 7/13/84 was a great show, Garcia's voice sounds nice and strong , some of my favorite songs, Dire Wolf, Duprees, Stella Blue, the Dark Star was a real treat to end a fun show. The Greek was a cool place to see the Dead, my favorite Greek show was 9/11/81, the set list doesn't do the show justice, you kind of had to be there. The place was electric as was I. When Garcia sang" I guess it doesn't matter anyways" during Morning Dew, you could hear a pin drop in that place. That was such a powerful moment, and the absolute truth, that me trying to write about it doesn't do it justice. Yeah Bolo, that was me, two big cold cups of Sierra Nevada Pale Ale, I'd graduated from the Fallstaff I was drinking outside of Winterland, waiting for the show.

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Submitted by The Good Ole G… on Mon, 05/18/2020 - 14:25

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RE: Billy The Kid

I say Well done!

Great pictures of Jerry and the band by Ed Perlstein from that September '81 run.
Super Dope Tie-Dye backdrop via Courtenay (assuming).
Jerry in particular looks stoked in all the pics, like he's enjoying the vibe.
But the whole band looks pumped - https://www.gettyimages.com/photos/grateful-dead-berkeley-1981

That was one of "the" venues we always talked about wanting to see a show at..

Based on the nod, the story and the pics, I think I'll try and give Mickey's B-Day show from 9/11/81, a spin real soon.

Definitely looks and sounds like it was one hell of a good time!

Thanks for sharing.

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Submitted by bolo24 on Mon, 05/18/2020 - 14:27

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Did not attend the 67 and 68 Greek shows, just 1981 on

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Submitted by bob t on Mon, 05/18/2020 - 23:18

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Shall we listen for today... Great quality Dick's Picks release with a very unique opening for Uncle John's Band?? Bob t

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Submitted by JimInMD on Tue, 05/19/2020 - 07:53

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One of my favorite t-shirts back in the day.. then one day I couldn't find it. Gone somehow..

I only made it there one year. Beautiful venue, perhaps my favorite. I was standing behind Bolo and Billy the Kid all three shows. I was hoping Billy would share one of his supermodels.. as for Bolo, he looked exactly like the picture in his Avatar.

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Submitted by The Good Ole G… on Tue, 05/19/2020 - 08:48

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First off, it shouldn't surprise me, that JIMINMD, BILLY THE KID & BOLO24 were all hanging out at the Greek in '84.
The supermodels.. I'm not so sure?
Mighta been, but you can't believe everything you read on the internet kids!

After talking about it, I wanted to hit up all 3 shows.
Night 1 & 3 are GREAT.
I'm thinking 7/15/84 is still my favorite, the Bird Song rivals the Dark Star and if Dark Star wasn't more than a song, and had they played it more than once in the 8 years between 1981 & 1989, it might be more talked about, but shit who cares, they're both great to listen too.

John Dwork's story in the Taping Compendium about finding out they were going to play Dark Star the night before and making his way to the show at the last possible minute, is just a great read and I highly recommend seeking it out. I didn't look for it online, but it should be out there somewhere. Great reviews of all 3 nights.

Slap that together with the 3 Great Quality SBDs & some of the pictures floating around on the web that are out there.. and presto-chango you got yourself a little unofficial box set, you can dig in and enjoy. It makes for a nice little trip back to the Greek '84. Recommended for any and all.

The 7/15/84 tape is one of those tapes = you know every note and nuance because they were your best sounding tapes that you played in every cassette deck you got in front of.

The Set 1 Opening Dancin' > Bird Song, Cumberland, Esau, Ramble On all great '84 versions. Set 2 is just one great jam! The WDWDIITR > China > Rider > PITB > UJB > Don't Need Love > Drums > Space > China Doll is so ingrained in my memory, it's like an old friend you've been partying with for years.

There's a cool interview I remember hearing with Phil where he talks about how excited he was to play Dark Star on 7/13/84 and how he wanted to go places after and Jerry shook him off and they wrapped it. Ah well... nothing left to do but smile, smile, smile.

And listen!

BobT: 5/19/77 you say? I'll listen to that..

Gonna still try and spin 9/11/81 too, looks like I got the Joani Walker recording, she made some sweet tapes!

Alright, be well

Not 84. 87 was the only time I made it to the Greeks. I would have gone in '88 and '89 too, but I could not find any supermodels to go with me, and after my last embarrassment there (my girlfriend at the time was a looker, but in the mere mortal way).. I just couldn't live up to the expectations.

I wish I hade it to the Frost. That's my one venue regret.

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Submitted by The Good Ole G… on Tue, 05/19/2020 - 10:05

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Dang, hate it when I get my dates wrong.
Okay, you were all there together at some time and there may have been models, and it was fun.
Good 'nuff for me.

Being a broke Mid-Western kid, I had some serious West Coast envy BITD.

The Greek was up there on my wish list.

Frost looks dope, Love them Frost '82 tapes!

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Submitted by Strider 808808 on Tue, 05/19/2020 - 10:10

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Stand alone, symmetrical, legendary . Was at Red Rocks my first time a month earlier. Two weeks before Red Rocks saw Robert Hunter my one time perform with the Dinosaurs at the Line Camp in Poaque , N.M.
1984. George Orwell would roll over in his crypt if he saw the world now.

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Submitted by JimInMD on Tue, 05/19/2020 - 10:31

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The summer before I worked in a crappy warehouse.. the job was so bad I decided to save every penny and never do that again. With my savings, and a little more earned in a restaurant during the school year the next summer I Crisscrossed the country several times in my blue 1980 corolla hatchback. Gas was around a dollar a gallon that year (I think).. slept a lot in my bullfrog tent. I was accompanied by the lovely Terry K. Long brown hair, pretty smile, looked great in a tie dye.

Caught Veneta, Greeks, Red Rocks, Telluride, Alpine, a few more closer shows and a couple stadium shows with just enough money left to make it to New Years. I was given two strict rules, I had to be back for my sisters wedding in August and I had to get my hair cut before the wedding. Made it back with minutes to spare...

Good fun, miss those days.

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Submitted by The Good Ole G… on Tue, 05/19/2020 - 10:38

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STRIDER88: Ha ha, George Orwell would totally flip out!!! That's funny, thanks for that.

Red Rocks 6/14/84 was the shizzle-lit! Nice and another legendary Venue to see this band play.

I remembered which Phil interview it was that he was talking about the 1984 Dark Star..
It was because of "The Face On Mars" Nasa photos.
Phil got the idea we have to play Dark Star as an Encore and show these photos.

BOLO & BTK you all remember the slide show playing?

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Submitted by Vguy72 on Tue, 05/19/2020 - 10:40

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....very nice Althea and a smoking Deal. There's a Cumberland, so of course I'm loving that. Like the outro from Truckin' into Drumz. The Rhythm Devils are presently laying down some good beats.
Let's mix thing up? How about one of these days, we pick a show that is kinda bad. They are out there.

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Submitted by The Good Ole G… on Tue, 05/19/2020 - 10:44

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Summer '87 baby!!

Those were some good times..

Nice story, that was a flash.

Sounded like you were doing it up in a bit more style then me and my teenage buddies.

I ended up with that crappy warehouse job after the following summer..

I guess my big question, did you get the Haircut?

Good times!

Yo! I've been meaning to listen to 8/24/85 to see if it's as bad as everyone says, but keep finding other things to do.

Maybe during a plague is the time... hmmm.

Can't decide if I should start with 9/11/81 or 5/19/77.. You're kicking it with 9/11 huh? Well, well, well.

I gotta get off the computer and do this..