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    One of the shortest-lived iterations of the Grateful Dead was the band that existed December 1971 through March 1972. Jerry, Bob, Phil, Bill, Pigpen, and Keith formed a formidable version of the Dead that only played a few shows together before Donna Jean joined as vocalist, and before Pigpen would depart the stage for good in June 1972. What this sextet lacked in quantity of shows it made up for with creativeness, power, and inspiration. 

    When Pigpen rejoined the Dead on December 1, 1971, after a few months off during which Keith had joined as piano player, the band was now an unstoppably powerful live juggernaut it hadn’t been since the height of the Primal Dead era in late 1968-1969. Widely considered one of the best shows from the Pigpen-Keith era of the Grateful Dead, December 10, 1971 in St. Louis has it all: Pigpen singing lead on four songs including an 18-minute version of Good Lovin’ and a very rare performance of Run Rudolph Run; a deep dive into the Dead’s psychedelic recent past with a monster version of The Other One; plus plenty of the new material from earlier in 1971 like Bertha, Loser, Sugaree, and Playing In The Band. 

    They also hit upon much of the music that would appear the following year on Europe ‘72, such as Jack Straw, Tennessee Jed, Mr. Charlie, and One More Saturday Night. And no Dead show of this vintage would be complete without the “hits”: Truckin’, Sugar Magnolia, and Casey Jones all make appearances. This is truly one of the deepest, most dynamic, exciting, and accessible live shows in the entire Grateful Dead canon.

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  • September 8, 2021 - 11:11am
    daverock
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    Vinyl Fox 1971

    I have been buying more Dead vinyl over the last few years too , but I am not so sure about this one. I think if I don't get it, I won't miss it, but if I do get it I wouldn't be without it.

    I have bought the October 1972 offering on vinyl, though. The music on that one is out of this world.

  • August 28, 2021 - 8:32am
    boblopes
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    Is this show live up to the hype, worthy of vinyl release?

    I have the boxset on order. Been enjoying the recent vinyl releases either in conjunction with RSD or a major release.

    Is this statement "This is truly one of the deepest, most dynamic, exciting, and accessible live shows in the entire Grateful Dead canon." typical Dave excitement or Covid Lockdown hyperbole? Don't get me wrong, I will have it on CD via the boxset. I don't want to preview an archive version, want full onslaught when I spin the disc. Was just thinking of the multiplay factor compared to the vinyl recently released.

  • August 23, 2021 - 7:01pm
    KeithFan2112
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    Truly all kinds

    Met a DeadHead over the weekend at a friend's house I was staying at. Guy loves the Dead, so much so that his wife is constantly complaining that he needs to stop playing it around the house, because it's pretty much nonstop. He listens to a lot of Sirius Satellite Grateful Dead. He digs Dave Lemieux's commentary......but he doesn't like Pigpen or Dark Star. I had to clarify that it wasn't just the meltdown sections where they go into complete cacophony mode that he disliked about Dark Star, so I asked if he enjoys the melodic Dark Stars,, where Jerry is just noodling away on top of a nice melody, even the main Dark Star theme Melody. No, he doesn't even like that. Doesn't think the main song is that good. He loves the the focused jamming of a good '72 Playing in the Band or Eyes of the World after that. I guess one man's Dark Star is another person's Looks Like Rain (although he did get up out of his chair to turn off Looks Like Rain when it came on). I couldn't possibly say he's not a Deadhead; he had them on the whole weekend, subscribes to Dave's Picks and goes to Dead and Co shows. I don't know.....Weird scenes inside the goldmine.

  • August 2, 2021 - 8:30pm
    Ziffle
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    Analog or digital sources

    You can safely assume that these are mastered from digital copies. Very few LPs are mastered with a complete analog chain, and those that are state clearly "cut from the original analog masters" (e.g. Grateful Dead first album mono from record store day 2011; Captain Beefheart Sun Zoom Spark set) or "all analog mastering" (Hendrix first three albums on CBS Legacy/Experience Hendrix), Mobile Fidelity releases marked "original master recordings" etc.

    Absent an explicit statement as above, digital sources are always used. For example, the Abbey Road Studios "half speed mastered" series, which are all cut from digital copies of the analog tapes, but which are deceptively marketed to appear as if from analog masters, and many other "audiophile" LPs which frequently are ambiguously identified as "from the original master tapes", which says nothing about the mastering process.

    Another issue is the extent to which compression is applied, relevant to the digital versions as well as souvenir LPs sets, something which should also be disclosed.

  • July 27, 2021 - 9:07pm
    Easywind54
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    Do we know if these LP's are…

    Do we know if these LP's are recorded from the original Analogue Tapes? I can't find that info. Thank you.

  • July 21, 2021 - 10:54am
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    7100 of these would make…

    7100 of these would make sense.

  • July 21, 2021 - 10:54am
    sean hemmerle
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    This show is a smoker

    One of the first tapes I was ever given. This 6 piece version of the Dead has always been one of my favorite time periods- they combine the country folk of the A.B./Workingmans stuff with their turn towards the psychedelic jazz that ‘73-‘74 would bring. Keith is, ironically, in peak form given that he’d only been with the band for a short while by then.
    So stoked they made this an official release on vinyl. Worth every penny knowing that I’ll have this show at my fingertips forever- December ‘71 was a criminally underrated time for the band.

  • July 21, 2021 - 9:36am
    Dennis
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    Limited

    Though I can't find it here, Amazon says they are limited to 12,000.

    Will they go fast? No word on what the 10th side etching will be.

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One of the shortest-lived iterations of the Grateful Dead was the band that existed December 1971 through March 1972. Jerry, Bob, Phil, Bill, Pigpen, and Keith formed a formidable version of the Dead that only played a few shows together before Donna Jean joined as vocalist, and before Pigpen would depart the stage for good in June 1972. What this sextet lacked in quantity of shows it made up for with creativeness, power, and inspiration. 

When Pigpen rejoined the Dead on December 1, 1971, after a few months off during which Keith had joined as piano player, the band was now an unstoppably powerful live juggernaut it hadn’t been since the height of the Primal Dead era in late 1968-1969. Widely considered one of the best shows from the Pigpen-Keith era of the Grateful Dead, December 10, 1971 in St. Louis has it all: Pigpen singing lead on four songs including an 18-minute version of Good Lovin’ and a very rare performance of Run Rudolph Run; a deep dive into the Dead’s psychedelic recent past with a monster version of The Other One; plus plenty of the new material from earlier in 1971 like Bertha, Loser, Sugaree, and Playing In The Band. 

They also hit upon much of the music that would appear the following year on Europe ‘72, such as Jack Straw, Tennessee Jed, Mr. Charlie, and One More Saturday Night. And no Dead show of this vintage would be complete without the “hits”: Truckin’, Sugar Magnolia, and Casey Jones all make appearances. This is truly one of the deepest, most dynamic, exciting, and accessible live shows in the entire Grateful Dead canon.

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Though I can't find it here, Amazon says they are limited to 12,000.

Will they go fast? No word on what the 10th side etching will be.

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One of the first tapes I was ever given. This 6 piece version of the Dead has always been one of my favorite time periods- they combine the country folk of the A.B./Workingmans stuff with their turn towards the psychedelic jazz that ‘73-‘74 would bring. Keith is, ironically, in peak form given that he’d only been with the band for a short while by then.
So stoked they made this an official release on vinyl. Worth every penny knowing that I’ll have this show at my fingertips forever- December ‘71 was a criminally underrated time for the band.

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Do we know if these LP's are recorded from the original Analogue Tapes? I can't find that info. Thank you.

You can safely assume that these are mastered from digital copies. Very few LPs are mastered with a complete analog chain, and those that are state clearly "cut from the original analog masters" (e.g. Grateful Dead first album mono from record store day 2011; Captain Beefheart Sun Zoom Spark set) or "all analog mastering" (Hendrix first three albums on CBS Legacy/Experience Hendrix), Mobile Fidelity releases marked "original master recordings" etc.

Absent an explicit statement as above, digital sources are always used. For example, the Abbey Road Studios "half speed mastered" series, which are all cut from digital copies of the analog tapes, but which are deceptively marketed to appear as if from analog masters, and many other "audiophile" LPs which frequently are ambiguously identified as "from the original master tapes", which says nothing about the mastering process.

Another issue is the extent to which compression is applied, relevant to the digital versions as well as souvenir LPs sets, something which should also be disclosed.

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Met a DeadHead over the weekend at a friend's house I was staying at. Guy loves the Dead, so much so that his wife is constantly complaining that he needs to stop playing it around the house, because it's pretty much nonstop. He listens to a lot of Sirius Satellite Grateful Dead. He digs Dave Lemieux's commentary......but he doesn't like Pigpen or Dark Star. I had to clarify that it wasn't just the meltdown sections where they go into complete cacophony mode that he disliked about Dark Star, so I asked if he enjoys the melodic Dark Stars,, where Jerry is just noodling away on top of a nice melody, even the main Dark Star theme Melody. No, he doesn't even like that. Doesn't think the main song is that good. He loves the the focused jamming of a good '72 Playing in the Band or Eyes of the World after that. I guess one man's Dark Star is another person's Looks Like Rain (although he did get up out of his chair to turn off Looks Like Rain when it came on). I couldn't possibly say he's not a Deadhead; he had them on the whole weekend, subscribes to Dave's Picks and goes to Dead and Co shows. I don't know.....Weird scenes inside the goldmine.

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I have the boxset on order. Been enjoying the recent vinyl releases either in conjunction with RSD or a major release.

Is this statement "This is truly one of the deepest, most dynamic, exciting, and accessible live shows in the entire Grateful Dead canon." typical Dave excitement or Covid Lockdown hyperbole? Don't get me wrong, I will have it on CD via the boxset. I don't want to preview an archive version, want full onslaught when I spin the disc. Was just thinking of the multiplay factor compared to the vinyl recently released.

I have been buying more Dead vinyl over the last few years too , but I am not so sure about this one. I think if I don't get it, I won't miss it, but if I do get it I wouldn't be without it.

I have bought the October 1972 offering on vinyl, though. The music on that one is out of this world.

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