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    What's Inside:
    7 Previously Unreleased Complete Shows On 20 Discs
    Fox Theatre, St. Louis, MO 12/09/71
    Fox Theatre, St. Louis, MO 12/10/71
    Fox Theatre, St. Louis, MO 10/17/72
    Fox Theatre, St. Louis, MO 10/18/72
    Fox Theatre, St. Louis, MO 10/19/72
    Kiel Auditorium, St. Louis, MO 10/29/73
    Kiel Auditorium, St. Louis, MO 10/30/73
    Sourced from tapes recorded by Rex Jackson, Owsley "Bear" Stanley, and Kidd Candelario
    Mastered in HDCD by Jeffrey Norman
    Restoration and Speed Correction by Plangent Processes
     
    Individually Numbered, Limited Edition of 13,000

    Steamboats and BBQ, ice cream cones and Mardi Gras - are you ready to laissez les bons temps rouler with the "gateway" to the Grateful Dead? Meet us, won't you, in St. Louis for seven complete and previously unreleased Dead concerts that capture the heart of the band's affinity for the River City.
     
    LISTEN TO THE RIVER: ST. LOUIS ’71 ’72 ’73 is a 20CD set featuring five shows from the Fox Theatre - December 9 and 10, 1971; October 17-19, 1972; and two from the Kiel Auditorium - October 29 and 30, 1973. 
     
    The seven shows in the collection span slightly less than two years, but they represent some of the best shows the Grateful Dead played during some of its peak tours. The music tells the story of a band evolving, changing from one sound to another seamlessly, precipitated – in large part – by significant personnel changes in the Dead’s lineup.
     
    The two 1971 shows feature the original Grateful Dead lineup plus newcomer Keith Godchaux on piano. This version of the band would hold together for the next six months as the Dead embarked upon its Europe ’72 tour. By the time the Dead returned to the Fox Theatre less than a year later, they were without Pigpen, who’d played his final show with the Dead at the Hollywood Bowl on June 17, 1972. A year after the exceptional Fox 1972 shows, the Dead came back to St. Louis, but played the much larger Kiel Auditorium, touring behind the release of WAKE OF THE FLOOD, which came out just two weeks before.
     
    All told, the band played 60 different songs during these shows highlighted by blazing romps through “Beat It On Down The Line” and “One More Saturday Night” and wistful takes on “Row Jimmy” and “Brokedown Palace” (whose lyrics give the collection its name). Meanwhile, the copious jamming ebbed and flowed like the mighty Mississippi River on multiple voyages through “The Other One” and “Dark Star.” Naturally, the band paid tribute to one of its favorite rock and rollers and one of St. Louis’ biggest stars by playing Chuck Berry songs at every show in the collection, including Pigpen galloping through “Run Rudolph Run.”  
     
    Each show has been restored and speed corrected using Plangent Processes with mastering by Jeffrey Norman. The collection comes in a slipcase with artwork by Liane Plant and features an 84-page hardbound book as well as other Dead surprises. To set the stage for the music, the liner notes provide several essays about the shows, including one by Sam Cutler, the band’s tour manager during that era, and another by Grateful Dead scholar Nicholas G. Meriwether, among others. 
     
    Due October 1st, LISTEN TO THE RIVER: ST. LOUIS ’71 ’72 ’73, is limited to 13,000 individually numbered copies and available exclusively from Dead.net.

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  • daverock
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    More art

    One of the most stunning experiences I had going to an art gallery was when I went to see "Sunflowers" by Van Gogh a few years ago. I eventually found the room it was in, and noticed a huddle of people in front of a painting on the far side of the room. One of them moved..and there it was. It had a spotlight on it so that the yellow of the flowers shone out into the room. Amazing...but as I got closer, I realised that it didn't have a light on it at all - the light was actually coming out from within the painting. Truly extraordinary.
    It's also quite an experience going to see his work in the Rijksmuseum in Amsterdam. I just wandered in there by chance about 30 years ago. Wow.

  • Oroborous
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    per usual!
    Thanks, lol, never knew that request page existed. Goes to show, just gotta poke around!
    Those will get utilized more now for sure…Smithers, release the hounds!

    Yeah that RFK was probably too many units for what it was? Good example of doing say one of these a year at lower unit count along with a more traditional box release at perhaps less units?
    But I liked RFK, (hell I think they’ve done a great job with most) because that stretch from summer through the next summer is prime time for moi, and it sounds great, but they certainly weren’t the best available, once again the ole he went to a great city and street, but picked the wrong house? ? Wasn’t it relatively pricey too?
    But as we’ve all been saying, there’s a whole lot of causal heads out there who might not buy anything UNLESS it was something they were at. Perhaps explains the Giants phenomenon some what?
    That was sorta my M.O. back around turn of the century: “I have more than I need so I’m only going to get shows I was at. That worked out sorta ok at first by sheer dumb luck, but I eventually realized
    A) I’m not going to get many of those any time soon, if at all, and
    B) I’m missing out on some killer shit!
    The E72 Dark Stars are what really brought me back. Didn’t get the trunk but picked up several of the Dark Star shows Ala cart.
    So started dabbling again, but mostly just wanted the music and not more stuff. Luckily or not, my cousin used to get a lot of the releases free through their business connections with GDP etc, but when that all changed with Rhino etc, they lost those relationships. So I was able for a while to get copies of stuff he had that I wanted.
    But then I started getting back into it, hanging with you junkies etc lol, and next thing you know I’m a “collector”, just the thing I was trying to avoid lol.
    So of course the down side of only getting copies is all the great collection stuff I missed out on!
    The biggest regrets were the FW box and Winterland 73. The FW I just wasn’t very in dead land at the time and because of the repetitive set lists figured “oh hell, I have live dead already” idiot!
    Luckily I have the mini version and you know who here tightened me up with copies of the box, so at least I have the music!
    The Winterland 73, being fall 73, which even then was one of the tours I had huge interest in, I contemplated getting it, and man, wasn’t it really cheap considering, but I cheap skated out and have been regretting it ever since!
    Some of the others I regret only as a “collector” now, though I should have grabbed that summer 78, wasn’t that another bargain box?

    So yeah Daverock, the scene was relatively small until later. When I started going in late seventies there were tour heads, but not anything like what would come. I think the whole multi show run factor contributed to this. It was now much easier to just plan on a three show run or two, especially day on weekends, then to catch 5 or 6 shows, one stop at a time up and down I 90 etc.
    Now I know old timers talk of how it changed throughout the seventies, especially that huge influx of kids like me in the mid and late seventies, but I don’t think it was near as dramatic as what we saw from late seventies up too 87 when it exploded, perhaps leveled off a bit, but continued at a steady pace that unfortunately just got too big to support it properly. Fame, the kiss of death…

    ART: not a active art participant, but sometimes you get shown the light!
    We had a great Albright Knox gallery back in the tundra, and on family vaca to Europe in late seventies, went to tge Louvre etc. Don’t recall a lot of specifics, Mono Lisa etc? But it definitely impacted my thick adolescent Beavis and Butthead dumb American skull. That whole trip would of been much more awesome if I’d only been older.
    That Hopper work is cool. I’ve seen that corner diner one but wouldn’t say I was familiar. Will have to burn a fat one and check him out. Yasss great light etc. And yes, I can only imagine how much more sharp and vivid his work would be live!
    Good sheet Mon,
    Party on Wayne!

  • That Mike
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    DaveRock - Awesome idea with the email to all the folks on the mailing list. Something that perhaps itemizes what is in the vaults (no use clamouring for reels that don’t exist), and survey to see what is in high demand. I know on the Neil Young site, as an example, he has a “Letters” column where he states he answers ALL the letters himself (I’ve sent a few, and always get a reply), and the bulk of requests are folks asking him to release this show, or this tour, etc, and he tells you if the request is even doable. I don’t expect the Core Four to answer Dead Head mail, but a quick email survey is interesting. Maybe it is as easy as Ice Cream Kid says, and we just hit up the request thread, but it doesn’t tell us what tapes are in the vault, and what condition, etc.

    PS - Dave, you are right about seeing the art “in person”, but of course, work of say a DaVinci is so limited, so rare, and will not ever tour, that it would be so hard to see in person, save visiting Paris or Venice. But, should a major show make the rounds, like Picasso, or Diego Rivera/Frida Khalo, I’ve made a point to see it, and you are right - seeing a picture of these works does not do them justice! There is something about seeing The One And Only of something, knowing the artist worked on this piece. I’ll paraphrase Mr Ones al a “Music is the best”: “Art - and sports - are a close second!”

  • daverock
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    Crmcnkd - I hadn't noticed that section asking us to make recommendations, so thanks for pointing that out. Maybe, though, the only people likely to fill that out are the people who come on here-all the old faces-and we know what they (we, me) will say in advance. I like the idea of reaching people who may not come on here - maybe an email like we get telling us what is coming out- but asking us what we would like to see coming out instead. The key is, it has to be "them" wanting a survey - as much, if not more, than "us" wanting to fill one in.

    Oro - thinking of casual fans of different eras, it reminds me of the fact that Deadheads didn't actually exist in the 1960s. I can't imagine early fans travelling around the country to see them. I guess it started with the invite to "Deadfreaks" on "Skull and Roses", but I would think it took several years before the travelling circus developed.

    It's interesting watching a documentary on late 60's San Francisco bands called "Go Ride The Music-West Pole". The main bands on this are Jefferson Airplane and Quicksilver Messenger Service - but at one point an interviewer asks people queuing up outside a concert hall, who their favourite bands are. I was expecting them to say "The Dead" automatically-but they don't. They are mentioned but they were clearly perceived at that time as just being another band, along with the two mentioned, Steve Miller, Janis etc.

    Mike - one of the great things about going to art galleries is how much more alive the originals are compared to the prints and posters you can see anywhere. I would say that going to an art gallery to look at paintings is a bit like going out to hear live music. If you go to any gallery, look at the originals, and then go in the gift shop and look at a book reproducing the originals you have just seen, the difference between the two is shocking.

  • icecrmcnkd
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    Don’t forget that several people, including myself, have previously told stories about talking to other deadheads who are completely clueless or disinterested in the official releases.

    The RFK Box is 15,000 copies and not sold out, although the banner says “less than 750 left”.
    My Boxes are packed away so I can’t check what the production numbers are, but 15,000 seems to be the limit except for a few releases that need an AME.
    I think that the last few Boxes were in the 10,000-12,000 range.

    Dave’s Picks can sell 25,000 due to people buying more than one subscription and resellers.
    And if you subscribe early bird you get 13 or 14 CD’s for $100, which is a pretty good deal.

    For those wanting to take a survey, there is a page on this site called ‘Requests - Box Sets’.
    I posted on it this morning, so use the ‘recent posts’ button to get to it, or use the search box.

  • That Mike
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    I am enjoying the discussion, because I’m hoping the marketing folks, or even the interns working at Rhino, see that this is a very passionate group of dedicated fans. Oro, I really think you have made some great points, and it is hard to please everyone (personally I have never been a hardcore 60s Dead fan, because that was before they came along with jewels like Wake of The Flood, Mars Hotel, etc, and all the outstanding concert material those albums brought forth), but so much work goes into the sourcing and mixing of the music in these boxes, and the art work, and the history to the scene happening at the time, that most, if not all, are home runs.
    Oro, you definitely hit the mark on many points, as did others, but collectively, as a group of fans, our mantra is “Keep ‘Em Coming!”

    DR - I love a wide range of art, and even doodle a bit myself, but Hopper is definitely an artist I have held in the highest esteem, for his amazing use of light and open space to paradoxically create figures of loneliness and solitude. If I can ever get my butt to NYC, the Whitney Museum of American Art is where I plan to sleep; the guy was an American master, and really nice to hear you too see his immense talent.

    Last listen - McLaughlin/Corea - Five Peace Band Live
    On Deck - Ry Cooder - The UFO Has Landed

  • 1stshow70878
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    Great Discussion

    I think I fall into the category y'all are citing here. Not quite into it as much as the die-hards but wanting it all anyway. The LTTR box was more money than I was willing to put out at the time so I chose the LIA vinyl instead. A trade off decided by my having already pre-ordered Dave's #1 vinyl and simply wanting to get more vinyl. Interestingly, all the fantastic comments have me alternately regretting my choice and being satisfied with a taste of '72. DR said recently the chunk I have on Light Into Ashes is the crux of the biscuit of the box so today I feel satisfied. My collecting took a hiatus around the time the big Europe '72 trunk came out but kindly folks here are helping me fill that void. Thanks to all for keeping the fire alive. It's so nice to have reliable information from everyone here in our disinformation shrouded world.
    Cheers all!

  • Oroborous
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    Mike, the 60s vibe, that’s a good example of what I’m saying. To “US”, the hardcore lunatics at deadnet, there appears to be an overwhelming unified consensus demanding a 60s box, but perhaps if you did a survey like DR suggests, our sample might be quite small comparatively? Just talking out me arse, but worth a thought?
    You’d think they’d be doing marketing , but maybe not? Maybe they have been so fortunate to have enough of a loyal, reliable, bankable demand that they could just go with whatever they felt was good?

    Personally, I think it’s good when things don’t sell out immediately. Gives some folks like P.T. etc a chance to decide or what not if they want to buy it. Or maybe you didn’t hear about it right a way, and as the bastard Murphy would have it, your busted after getting yet another of your kids braces, while the other kid smashed the car, and your washing machine broke. Like “Whaaaa???, you want $300 tomorrow morning, Dooaahh”
    But these are singular micro type scenarios and we’re talking macro level.
    Maybe DR is right and the nostalgia factor is bigger then I think, in that logistically, because of age, there are more casual fans from the later years than the early ones. Hell statistically, comparatively there weren’t that many causal fans in the early years. Let’s face it, for good or for ill, as time advanced there were way more causal “lets just go party and check it out folks” going to shows.
    So maybe that’s part of it, when/if something that this larger population feels more akin to comes round, their more likely to buy it, then yet another older moldy from a time they don’t know or care about because they’ve never been in that deep?
    I guess it’s probably a perfect storm of all the things we’ve been discussing? All these factors add up and the amount of units we’re talking about isn’t really that large, so…
    But!….that’s all the more reason to deliver more, but smaller batches of certain eras!

    Though I understand why a Giants type box would sell so fast, I still, do not understand fully how this box, by now, has not? Shifting market demographics and saturation is my guess though?
    Just goes to show…

  • daverock
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    ThatMike - my eyes lit up when you mentioned Edward Hopper. I really like his work too. About 20 years ago there was great exhibition on in London, and it was a real treat to be able to go from room to room and get drawn into his world. You can see his influence sometimes in films -"Deep Red" by Dario Argento features a scene that is clearly modelled on "The Nighthawks". And although I can't think of specific examples at the moment, Alfred Hitchcock and David Lynch feature scenes in some of their films that look to me to have been influenced by Hopper's way of seeing things.

  • PT Barnum
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    format? sound quality? putting great shows with good shows?

    IMO there seems to be lots of reasons why this has not sold out. I did not buy it and I buy them all. After the so so patch jobs on the PNW box which I did not care for, I passed on this box. These are all good shows, with great shows mixed in. Call me a snob but I want all great shows with no cuts or patches. If that's not possible then I will just keep what I got from the archive or from etree, why spend that kind of scratch for shows I already have that only sound a bit better?
    The format could be the reason, some only want from the era they were a part of, mostly 80's from what I gather here. I like the progression of the band from psychedelic juggernaut to what they became, but not everyone's cup of tea.
    Perhaps it's the ploy of putting out most requested shows with shows that are not up to the great show that they are centered around? The original great box was a tough act to follow, seeings how the E72 tour was their best tour and it was the first one released with a massive 73 discs. With that great price. How to follow that? It's been what tptb have been asking themselves since.
    The spring 90 boxes are a good example of that also, a great tour with consistently great shows released at a great price, which sold out quickly.
    But what do I know? just the ramblings of an old deadhead on the first day of Spring.

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What's Inside:
7 Previously Unreleased Complete Shows On 20 Discs
Fox Theatre, St. Louis, MO 12/09/71
Fox Theatre, St. Louis, MO 12/10/71
Fox Theatre, St. Louis, MO 10/17/72
Fox Theatre, St. Louis, MO 10/18/72
Fox Theatre, St. Louis, MO 10/19/72
Kiel Auditorium, St. Louis, MO 10/29/73
Kiel Auditorium, St. Louis, MO 10/30/73
Sourced from tapes recorded by Rex Jackson, Owsley "Bear" Stanley, and Kidd Candelario
Mastered in HDCD by Jeffrey Norman
Restoration and Speed Correction by Plangent Processes
 
Individually Numbered, Limited Edition of 13,000

Steamboats and BBQ, ice cream cones and Mardi Gras - are you ready to laissez les bons temps rouler with the "gateway" to the Grateful Dead? Meet us, won't you, in St. Louis for seven complete and previously unreleased Dead concerts that capture the heart of the band's affinity for the River City.
 
LISTEN TO THE RIVER: ST. LOUIS ’71 ’72 ’73 is a 20CD set featuring five shows from the Fox Theatre - December 9 and 10, 1971; October 17-19, 1972; and two from the Kiel Auditorium - October 29 and 30, 1973. 
 
The seven shows in the collection span slightly less than two years, but they represent some of the best shows the Grateful Dead played during some of its peak tours. The music tells the story of a band evolving, changing from one sound to another seamlessly, precipitated – in large part – by significant personnel changes in the Dead’s lineup.
 
The two 1971 shows feature the original Grateful Dead lineup plus newcomer Keith Godchaux on piano. This version of the band would hold together for the next six months as the Dead embarked upon its Europe ’72 tour. By the time the Dead returned to the Fox Theatre less than a year later, they were without Pigpen, who’d played his final show with the Dead at the Hollywood Bowl on June 17, 1972. A year after the exceptional Fox 1972 shows, the Dead came back to St. Louis, but played the much larger Kiel Auditorium, touring behind the release of WAKE OF THE FLOOD, which came out just two weeks before.
 
All told, the band played 60 different songs during these shows highlighted by blazing romps through “Beat It On Down The Line” and “One More Saturday Night” and wistful takes on “Row Jimmy” and “Brokedown Palace” (whose lyrics give the collection its name). Meanwhile, the copious jamming ebbed and flowed like the mighty Mississippi River on multiple voyages through “The Other One” and “Dark Star.” Naturally, the band paid tribute to one of its favorite rock and rollers and one of St. Louis’ biggest stars by playing Chuck Berry songs at every show in the collection, including Pigpen galloping through “Run Rudolph Run.”  
 
Each show has been restored and speed corrected using Plangent Processes with mastering by Jeffrey Norman. The collection comes in a slipcase with artwork by Liane Plant and features an 84-page hardbound book as well as other Dead surprises. To set the stage for the music, the liner notes provide several essays about the shows, including one by Sam Cutler, the band’s tour manager during that era, and another by Grateful Dead scholar Nicholas G. Meriwether, among others. 
 
Due October 1st, LISTEN TO THE RIVER: ST. LOUIS ’71 ’72 ’73, is limited to 13,000 individually numbered copies and available exclusively from Dead.net.

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Good first set with unusualness
Then china rider is good
The rest of the show deflates like a N2O balloon, despite a brief Spanish Jam.

My thoughts...

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Caught both nights in Portland, both in Hartford and the middle night in Providence (the no encore show). Schoolin got in the way of the other nights. Saw lots of rare songs, but remember coming away somewhat unimpressed. Even more so after the summer tour.

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I expected an '80s pick, but sort of figured '80/'81. That said, Dave's been leaning into '83/'84 and I'm looking forward to this one. Show immediately rang a bell - as I checked it out this past April - listening to the two Shakedown openers from 4/26 ('83 and '84). Actually dig the '84, more. Nevertheless!

Just went through most of the Spring 83 tour recently, the rest I’d heard, including 4/12 and 4/15 live in the front row!
I’ve been partial to 4/12, and not just cause first time hanging with Lee Esdee at a show...; )
But 4/26 really surprised me, definitely one of the better shows of the tour!
Version I heard was a recent Healy mix that sounded good!
Very interested in how this one will sound?
Hopefully it will surprise some disappointed Heads...

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I've never heard this one. My plan is to avoid looking at the setlist and to just go at it not knowing what to expect. You know, kind of like going to the show. I mean, yeah, I checked my Deadbase, but I've already forgotten. What were we talking about?

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Hendrixfreak - surely you aren't getting rid of your guitars ! I think it was Billy Gibbons who said you can't have too many guitars or pairs of sunglasses. I sometimes think I could do with less bottlenecks - they are all over the place.

The presence of "Help-Slipknot-Franklins" is the biggest draw for me with Dave's 39. I've also never heard of the song "Maybe You Know". One of the most important songs in their entire canon, for all I know.

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I guess i shouldn't be surprised that it was an 80s pick (Dave has certainly been releasing a fair number of 80s shows over the last few years, including 3 of the last 5 picks i think).

I would like to call out that this represents yet another in a long line of Philadelphia shows that have been officially released. It's my hometown and the city where i've seen the most shows. They clearly loved playing here and the fans were always more than happy to match their energy. hope everyone is well

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Having trouble posting so I had to shorten the content. I was also on the rail, directly in front of Garcia, for that show

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I'm giving an old, not-very-good Alvarez to the local music school. Otherwise, the Strat, SG, '64 Gretsch, newish Guild Starfire, Martin D-35 (my baby), '75 Mossman, Taylor electric-acoustic and el-cheapo Martin (for backcountry) all remain in place.

The unsettling news: I did heave a box of GD cassettes, some 2nd gen auds. But I saved Aug. 13, 1979, and the tapes I made at the Rainbow Music Hall of two Jerry shows and one Roy Buchanan show, both circa 1981. And I threw out hundreds of my old "clips" from articles I wrote a zillion years ago.

There is a shred of glee in de-cluttering. Hope I don't get carried away any further from shore....

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Between Phil and Bob for us., I think?
Crazy how many of us were at many of the same shows and sometimes hanging out nearby.
Makes ya wonder...

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Based on your previous posts over the years, I estimate that we have been to at least 20+ of the same shows. Probably quite a few more than that.

4/15 was my first show up front. I know this is odd, but the thing I remember most was that by the third song, Garcia was sweating profusely. I recall thinking to myself, "Wow. This guy is really into the music."

And of course the Bob Star. Rochester seemed to bring out the crooner in Bob.

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That reminds me, we were definitely between Phil and Bob as I remember vivdky looking up at him and wondering what the hell he was doing lol. Maybe you know was a bit of a head scratcher at the time too.
Many of those shows all rolll into one, but especially 82 and 83 Chrotchfester.

Lol about JG sweats. It’s funny what we do and don’t remember.
All our bodies piled up down there along with the lights make it pretty damn hot up there!

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What an odd little song. I caught one and have great memories but alas only audience recordings exist of that show.

I get the feeling a lot of us were at a lot of the same shows together. I did not make it in the NE often in 83 and 84 but gradually my territory expanded as the years went by. Lots of fun moving down memory lane, thanks for the stories guys.

Edit: I cannot seem to post shit today either. If I put two periods in a row it blocks me. Damned you Vladimir!!

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I was thinking it would be cool to receive DaP39 without knowing what was in the mailbox, but oh, well.

Looking through my notes, we have had no releases from the first half of 1983 (indeed, no releases from summer '82 through fall '83), and I LOVE the shows from Fall '83 (and the summer '82 releases are Grate!), so this should be dy-no-MITE!

Guess I had better finish up Vol. 38 today; just haven't had the time.

Now, maybe a 1991 two-fer for Vol. 40? Maybe 6/24-25/91? Then next year's box can be everything useable from 1967-1968.

Be kind, rewind.

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Who'd you write for back in the day, Hendrixfreak?

I did some clips / notebooks / tapes pruning about a year ago. Two months later, a documentary-maker reached out and asked if I had any of my old source material on one of the stories I'd covered for a year or so. :-/

I always liked seeing shows there. Even in the later years with the JGB.

My favorite was probably 85. Two short, but impactful shows. Not to mention I successfully hitchhiked from Burlington VT to Rochester on the day of the show. A feat still unmatched in my hitching lore. A 6 1/2 hour drive straight through.

By the way, I was the one in the tie-dye back in 83.

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Yeah, good ole Chrotchfester, one of my all time favs. Place was pretty beat up but the layout was perfect.
Not too big, no seats behind the stage, always GA, and the band always played well there.
Saw 4.5 outta 6 up front, by the board for the rest...
The 85s were definitely the best of the 6 I saw there (80, 82, 83, 84, 85x2), and many of my older friends who were at 76 and 77 say those were the best shows they ever saw...my old buddy BOO469 has pretty wild up front stories from 77 I believe? I believe Mike Bellman, Wild Knights guitarist extraordinaire, always swore by the 76 show?
Yeah, those JGB shows were pretty hot too, both literally and figuratively as they were way oversold.

There’s a place out here in Broomfield that is a nice, new clean version of that type of hall that we saw a bunch of great Furthur shows back around 2011, 2012 etc, brought back sweet memories of Rochester. (Great shows too! I loved Furthur)
Ra cha cha, There’s a good box there, or the Great Dane, could be another cool multi year box.
I really like Giants Box partially because of that format and think I’m going to dig that aspect, among other things, about St Louey!
So many possibilities with that format...

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6 20 83

Oh how I wish that show could be released

My trip through 86 continues with 6 29 86.

Mississippi > Franklins > Dancin' should be a bundle of jamming and energy. But it's

On the day rio grandeo tower harvest wind summer's here

and thats that.

A few nice moments, but overall...very poor show. A "public rehearsal". We all know Garcia was approaching coma time. But wow...laaaaackluster.

Anyway....new Dave's on the way

Just a few more 86s....6 30 86, 7 2 86, 5 11 86. Then 12 15 86.

What if Jerry had been a fitness freak like Bobby...

summer after 10th grade, my 3rd show, "muddyweather 83", on the lawn in the squall, intense lightning, three short power outages with no lights or PA but the drummers kept going, an Other One tease after a brilliant he's gone which became truckin that prompted my dead mentor to shout "you idiot" at the band, then the Other One after space and bobby star rap, confusion during the encore cuz i wasnt familar with baby blue yet, a drive around the beltway twice looking for a room before returning to parking lot for the night, no sleep between that and 6/21/83, easily the most intense life changing experience ever

I finally, recently hit up the 86 shows I was at, the “lost shows” as we were in too much of everything mode in those daze, or in this case shrooms. Think I like 3/19 and 3/24 best from the six we saw in spring?
6/29 was first time at Alpine, remember not much except the awesome scene/spot we had. (Near the trees in the adjacent field/lot).
Revisiting all these years later, I think the first night was good for the time, but didn’t think 6/29 was as good, though I don’t recall feeling quite as down on it as you. I’m sure bias probably applies...
6/30 back then, was a top fav. All these years later i still love it, but not sure I could give it top status?
7/2 I used to think was one of the worst shows we saw, but now it’s not so bad, listenable anyway. Think my experience there clouded my thoughts on that one. And 7/4/86 isnt quite as good as I remember, but it had some great moments and sure was a lot of fun!
I remember being worried though that I might run into my folks there as they were known from time to time to go to the stadium late, get in for free, head up to the cheap seats as far away from the animals as they could lol, and try and see what all this R&R fuss was about. I was so high in those days that would of been too weird...talk about the fear! Lol
Luckily that year they didn’t, but other times said they really enjoyed it, except ma freaked when some very congenial freak offered her “something” (she was too scarred to look!)
Pops used to smooze his way in all the time when we were younger and needed a ride, including our first Rochester speaking of...
He was a big Sugar Magnolia fan!
Can’t believe how much I miss them...

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On the telly last night there was a coiple episodes of a series on photography in rock. A few GD items showed, including a nice shot of Jerry, Phil, and Pete Townshend backstage at 10 9 or 10 76.

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I mentioned I received some email yesterday from “Dave’s Picks Priority Service”, and it asked if I had any questions (!!). I asked simply when my copy of 39 will be coming down the line, and they responded in approximately one hour!!! What black magic is this!? Usually, if they answered, it was ten days or more. The turnaround is impressive. Unfortunately, they didn’t exactly answer the question, more a form answer, but definitely some positive strides at trying to turn the Customer Service side of things around. Kudos, Dead.net

PF, hit 6/20 and 21 so far after you advised. Dug 6/20, 21 was decent, but like 20 better, need to sneak in the last one too.

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Perhaps my most fun GD show.. an amazing night, the light show provided via divine intervention.
Goodness.. just thinking of this night brings back a big smile and dare I say goosebumps. The fungus didn't hurt in my perception, but man was that a fun, scary and special night.

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I've been a reporter, mag writer, author for a loooong time. Of interest here might be Univibes, a Hendrix-focused publication by a Dutchman who used to live in Ireland, now Italy. (I think both countries do not extract income tax for writers and artists.) So for decades we (small community worldwide) were searching out previously unknown audio and video of Jimi, then documenting the discovery and contents. So I unearthed the only known footage of the Experience at the Denver Pop Festival from '69, with a friend we tracked down and circulated an aud tape of Jimi in St Paul, MN (3 May '70), etc. Wrote a bio of Roy Buchanan after following him around from 1974 til his death in '88. Etc. I've done other work in history and natural history.

The clips I tossed were most of my early stuff up to the years of book publishing because the clips were topical and dated and of zero interest to me or anyone else at this point. But I'm preserving the notes and supporting materials for the books, because ... I spend about 5-6 years per book still can't let go!!

Also winnowing hundreds of books in my personal library that might be of more use to someone else and our local library has a donation and sale program. Other stuff to Goodwill. You know, the usual routine.

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Was a three-nighter, 6-8 Sept '83 and the setlists look good but I never heard tapes. Probably some good shows, I only recall a couple of whiffs in their entire run at RR, 1978-1987.

One night, not sure which year, Jer came out alone after the break and noodled alone for what seemed quite a while, just enjoying hearing his guitar bouncing around the rocks. Unfortunately, and I cannot recall the year, having seen Jer quite a bit from 1972 onward, I noticed in the early '80s that something was amiss with Jer. Couldn't put my finger on it at the time, but looking back I think I noticed a change in body language and energy and, belatedly, we all found out why.

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Fun times. Poor shows. And it was hot.

We hit the last leg of the tour 7/2 - 7/7

The funny thing is, I rarely listen to any of the shows I attended other than those officially released and a few here and there, like Rochester 85.

7/2 - My recollection - it was a very poor show. No energy. The highlights were the low flying planes overhead landing at the adjacent airstrip and the two guys next to us dosed on Gooney Birds trying to get the wave started during Stella Blue.

7/3 - No show, so off to Canadaland. Very cool time. Probably the highlight of the trip. Found a park up-river from the falls before crossing, so we got to clean up. Spent the day in town asking bewildered folks where to find the "barrel rides." At night found a really cool spot at the precipice of the falls and watched the fireworks. Camped in a nice park with no hassles.

7/4 - The bands switched it up, so the GD went on first. Short, mediocre show. At that point we altered the plan. Left after the Dead and drove home to get some rest rather than heading straight to Washington. Very good move.

7/6 - Insufferably hot. Decent show, but nothing extraordinary.

7/7 - One of the worst we ever saw along with 7/4 of the next year.

My apologies for the honest assessment.

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Pretty sure 6/18 isn't in the vault. Not sure about the rest of the month. Those MPP shows are great. My faves are 6/27 and 6/28 from Hofman Estates outside Chicago... amazing shows.

Thanks for all that awesome detective work, Hendrixfreak (special place in the heart for Hendrix, living in the Northwest). Relentless uncovering of potentially lost gems is what folks on this board are here for.

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a bunch of June 83 arent in the vault. I dream, though

6 29 86 blows mule
6 30 86 is much better. You can really hear the contrast

6 22 86....very nice. I really like it.

AJS...I didnt have high (huh huh) expectations for July 86. I will still listen to 7 2; I have never heard 7 4; my memory says 7 6 is odd (5 song first set?!?); I had set 2 of 7 7 years ago and like it for the Box of Rain and Satisfaction. Everything else is WTF.

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The seattle times this past sunday ran a photo of Sir Jimi playing at Sicks Stadium in July 1970. I think it was his last US gig.

Talk about a loss. Jimi dying at age 27. The definition of tragedy _not_ narrowly averted.

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I was 7/6 and 7/7. That is an honest assessment. We were babysitting newbies from the restaurant I was working at the time.. It took some creative back peddling to explain our love for the band the next day at work. After this outing, I tried to avoid taking newbies to shows for a while..

DC was a tough place to see shows. RFK was bad and then there were the militant cops on horseback at the Crapitol Centre. ..well, at least we had Merriweather.

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The Satisfaction from 7/7/86 was indeed a monster. Clearly the highlight of the tour that we saw.

Militant cops, huh?

Before the 7/6 show we were hanging out in the parking lot waiting to go in because Petty and Dylan were up first. It was hot. Really hot and we wanted to stay hydrated. So we are hanging out under what seemed like the only tree near the damn place. The folks we met were drinking vodka and lemonade out of a gallon milk jug, had just taken their gooney birds and were selling off their extras. After about an hour some folks come up to make a purchase. They hang out for a while. We offer them water. "Is it sealed?" Being naïve we respond, "Of course." They drink it down. Then the badges come out. They didn't arrest us because we weren't selling anything, but they made the poor bastards we just met drive to the police station. Will never forget it. Probably got them for DUI as well.

85 and 87 were much better.

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So it's June 9, 1973, outside RFK for the GD/ABB two day-er. Me and my buddy got a ride down with my brother's friends (2 years older), so they dumped us at the show and took off. We're both at least two months shy of our 16th birthdays. We're sparking up a doob with new friends near one of those giant grates that could lock down the ingress/egress paths into the stadium. Black cop, inside the locked gate, calls us over. "Hey, are you going to share that or just bogart it?" he says. We see that there's no risk: he's locked inside. So we pass the doob through the grate and we all share a smoke with a uniformed cop. Part of my broader education in the subject area of "You Don't Ever Know" and "Appearances Can Be Deceiving." That said, in other times and places, I've been manhandled and mistreated and painfully batoned. Lessons in the same, foregoing categories!

Oh yeah, as most of you know, I had to go home Sunday morning and missed the shows on 10 June '73.

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Gonna reserve judgement on this one until I hear them. I will say, I am generally not a big fan of the choices Dave makes regarding Brent shows. I have no issue with picking Brent shows. I just generally do not think he picks particularly good ones. I have no idea what is or is not in the vault, nor the quality issues of what is there.

Seems a decent set list. I think the first Maybe You Know to be officially released. Some tunes that don't get released much (West LA, Esau). A Nobody's Jam. Morning Dew. Help > Slip > Franks. Shakedown. Set list looks pretty good.

But on reputation I'd take 3-4 other shows, from April, over 4-26. The Steven Stills shows (including the Bob Star show) come to mind immediately. Though there could be issues with releasing those.

I think it will be decent, but Dave seems willing to release classic 70's shows on DaPicks but not so much with 80's shows. Still, not every release can be a tent pole type of show. And finding hidden gems is always nice.

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I was not impressed. Petty was easily the best band of the night. I did not catch the bug until Alpine.

So far the recording of 7 2 86 sounds good. I say that sitting in the shade on my deck with an angelic breeze caressing my middle-aged skin, party favors close by, and my own restroom. I would probably feel differently if I were standing in a huge crowd in direct July Ohio sun for hours...

I love finding hidden gems. I bet you will find the new Daves to be one. Just be sure to give it your full attention and have plenty of volume.

Holy cow! Dylan's playing with the Boys!

Addendum several hours later...

As a whole
The Rubber Bowl
Show of 7 2 86
Is decent

Not the worst I have heard

Real turkeyz to me are
8 28 88
6 29 86
2 16 88

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My 2nd and 3rd shows, the first being 7/1/84. I was becoming acquainted with the full scope and history of the band. It was still a couple of years before my first concert tapes, which happened to be right when so many famous board recordings began making the rounds. It was a couple of years before I even picked up on the taping scene at the shows.

My memories of 6/28 & 29 are sparce aside from the absorbing the atmosphere. When I did finally get tapes a couple years later I thought the first show was pretty good. Admittedly it's been a few years since I've revisited those shows, but if I remember correctly the 1st set of the first show was actually really good.

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Along with 7 4 and 7 6

5 11 86 and hidden gems...a gem of an encore. The rest of the show has a decent setlist with a very laidback performance.

The Frost looks like someones backyard compared to the stadia they played

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Not trying to top sharing a jib with a cop but how about buying vitamin L from a Denver Federal District Court judge! He was at least 20 years our senior ('76-'77 era) but had a thing for a twenty something sweetie in our college group that had beautiful eyes (Jenna?). No idea where she met Gene but we would drive from Ft. Collins to Denver to party fairly often and stop by Gene's place. He always had quality L and weed but I could not help thinking this was a bad idea! He would cruise with us to parties and always enjoyed his own wares so I was somewhat comfortable with doing deals in his condo complex parking lot. Still made me nervous so I moved away from that group's Denver trips after a few. Statute of limitations has passed and so has he probably so these are real names. Hard to believe how casual we were back in the day. No concept of the penalties or consequences. Always carried a pipe, film can, lighter, Visine, and Altoids. Ready for anything! Cheers to all!

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Dusty Hill, ZZ Top bassist.

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Sorry to read that.

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Fandango and El Loco playing.

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I had to bite on this one. Those set lists were too good - and that final disc #20? Thats about as choice as it gets for my taste! Thanks again for taking my money but filling my soul...

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Got Fandango and El Loco on used vinyl for $5 each a few years ago.

Glass raised to Dusty.

On a funny note, the Feds sold Pharma Bro Shkreli’s Wu-Tang Clan album to pay back the investors that Shkreli swindled.
And slightly related to that, in the early 2000’s I lived in an apartment complex in Atlanta and the property manager claimed that at a previous job as manager at a complex in Buckhead (part of Atlanta) he evicted Wu-Tang Clan and had the Fulton County Sheriff throw all the Clan’s stuff to the curb.

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