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    What's Inside:
    7 Previously Unreleased Complete Shows On 20 Discs
    Fox Theatre, St. Louis, MO 12/09/71
    Fox Theatre, St. Louis, MO 12/10/71
    Fox Theatre, St. Louis, MO 10/17/72
    Fox Theatre, St. Louis, MO 10/18/72
    Fox Theatre, St. Louis, MO 10/19/72
    Kiel Auditorium, St. Louis, MO 10/29/73
    Kiel Auditorium, St. Louis, MO 10/30/73
    Sourced from tapes recorded by Rex Jackson, Owsley "Bear" Stanley, and Kidd Candelario
    Mastered in HDCD by Jeffrey Norman
    Restoration and Speed Correction by Plangent Processes
     
    Individually Numbered, Limited Edition of 13,000

    Steamboats and BBQ, ice cream cones and Mardi Gras - are you ready to laissez les bons temps rouler with the "gateway" to the Grateful Dead? Meet us, won't you, in St. Louis for seven complete and previously unreleased Dead concerts that capture the heart of the band's affinity for the River City.
     
    LISTEN TO THE RIVER: ST. LOUIS ’71 ’72 ’73 is a 20CD set featuring five shows from the Fox Theatre - December 9 and 10, 1971; October 17-19, 1972; and two from the Kiel Auditorium - October 29 and 30, 1973. 
     
    The seven shows in the collection span slightly less than two years, but they represent some of the best shows the Grateful Dead played during some of its peak tours. The music tells the story of a band evolving, changing from one sound to another seamlessly, precipitated – in large part – by significant personnel changes in the Dead’s lineup.
     
    The two 1971 shows feature the original Grateful Dead lineup plus newcomer Keith Godchaux on piano. This version of the band would hold together for the next six months as the Dead embarked upon its Europe ’72 tour. By the time the Dead returned to the Fox Theatre less than a year later, they were without Pigpen, who’d played his final show with the Dead at the Hollywood Bowl on June 17, 1972. A year after the exceptional Fox 1972 shows, the Dead came back to St. Louis, but played the much larger Kiel Auditorium, touring behind the release of WAKE OF THE FLOOD, which came out just two weeks before.
     
    All told, the band played 60 different songs during these shows highlighted by blazing romps through “Beat It On Down The Line” and “One More Saturday Night” and wistful takes on “Row Jimmy” and “Brokedown Palace” (whose lyrics give the collection its name). Meanwhile, the copious jamming ebbed and flowed like the mighty Mississippi River on multiple voyages through “The Other One” and “Dark Star.” Naturally, the band paid tribute to one of its favorite rock and rollers and one of St. Louis’ biggest stars by playing Chuck Berry songs at every show in the collection, including Pigpen galloping through “Run Rudolph Run.”  
     
    Each show has been restored and speed corrected using Plangent Processes with mastering by Jeffrey Norman. The collection comes in a slipcase with artwork by Liane Plant and features an 84-page hardbound book as well as other Dead surprises. To set the stage for the music, the liner notes provide several essays about the shows, including one by Sam Cutler, the band’s tour manager during that era, and another by Grateful Dead scholar Nicholas G. Meriwether, among others. 
     
    Due October 1st, LISTEN TO THE RIVER: ST. LOUIS ’71 ’72 ’73, is limited to 13,000 individually numbered copies and available exclusively from Dead.net.

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  • daverock
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    More art

    One of the most stunning experiences I had going to an art gallery was when I went to see "Sunflowers" by Van Gogh a few years ago. I eventually found the room it was in, and noticed a huddle of people in front of a painting on the far side of the room. One of them moved..and there it was. It had a spotlight on it so that the yellow of the flowers shone out into the room. Amazing...but as I got closer, I realised that it didn't have a light on it at all - the light was actually coming out from within the painting. Truly extraordinary.
    It's also quite an experience going to see his work in the Rijksmuseum in Amsterdam. I just wandered in there by chance about 30 years ago. Wow.

  • Oroborous
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    per usual!
    Thanks, lol, never knew that request page existed. Goes to show, just gotta poke around!
    Those will get utilized more now for sure…Smithers, release the hounds!

    Yeah that RFK was probably too many units for what it was? Good example of doing say one of these a year at lower unit count along with a more traditional box release at perhaps less units?
    But I liked RFK, (hell I think they’ve done a great job with most) because that stretch from summer through the next summer is prime time for moi, and it sounds great, but they certainly weren’t the best available, once again the ole he went to a great city and street, but picked the wrong house? ? Wasn’t it relatively pricey too?
    But as we’ve all been saying, there’s a whole lot of causal heads out there who might not buy anything UNLESS it was something they were at. Perhaps explains the Giants phenomenon some what?
    That was sorta my M.O. back around turn of the century: “I have more than I need so I’m only going to get shows I was at. That worked out sorta ok at first by sheer dumb luck, but I eventually realized
    A) I’m not going to get many of those any time soon, if at all, and
    B) I’m missing out on some killer shit!
    The E72 Dark Stars are what really brought me back. Didn’t get the trunk but picked up several of the Dark Star shows Ala cart.
    So started dabbling again, but mostly just wanted the music and not more stuff. Luckily or not, my cousin used to get a lot of the releases free through their business connections with GDP etc, but when that all changed with Rhino etc, they lost those relationships. So I was able for a while to get copies of stuff he had that I wanted.
    But then I started getting back into it, hanging with you junkies etc lol, and next thing you know I’m a “collector”, just the thing I was trying to avoid lol.
    So of course the down side of only getting copies is all the great collection stuff I missed out on!
    The biggest regrets were the FW box and Winterland 73. The FW I just wasn’t very in dead land at the time and because of the repetitive set lists figured “oh hell, I have live dead already” idiot!
    Luckily I have the mini version and you know who here tightened me up with copies of the box, so at least I have the music!
    The Winterland 73, being fall 73, which even then was one of the tours I had huge interest in, I contemplated getting it, and man, wasn’t it really cheap considering, but I cheap skated out and have been regretting it ever since!
    Some of the others I regret only as a “collector” now, though I should have grabbed that summer 78, wasn’t that another bargain box?

    So yeah Daverock, the scene was relatively small until later. When I started going in late seventies there were tour heads, but not anything like what would come. I think the whole multi show run factor contributed to this. It was now much easier to just plan on a three show run or two, especially day on weekends, then to catch 5 or 6 shows, one stop at a time up and down I 90 etc.
    Now I know old timers talk of how it changed throughout the seventies, especially that huge influx of kids like me in the mid and late seventies, but I don’t think it was near as dramatic as what we saw from late seventies up too 87 when it exploded, perhaps leveled off a bit, but continued at a steady pace that unfortunately just got too big to support it properly. Fame, the kiss of death…

    ART: not a active art participant, but sometimes you get shown the light!
    We had a great Albright Knox gallery back in the tundra, and on family vaca to Europe in late seventies, went to tge Louvre etc. Don’t recall a lot of specifics, Mono Lisa etc? But it definitely impacted my thick adolescent Beavis and Butthead dumb American skull. That whole trip would of been much more awesome if I’d only been older.
    That Hopper work is cool. I’ve seen that corner diner one but wouldn’t say I was familiar. Will have to burn a fat one and check him out. Yasss great light etc. And yes, I can only imagine how much more sharp and vivid his work would be live!
    Good sheet Mon,
    Party on Wayne!

  • That Mike
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    DaveRock - Awesome idea with the email to all the folks on the mailing list. Something that perhaps itemizes what is in the vaults (no use clamouring for reels that don’t exist), and survey to see what is in high demand. I know on the Neil Young site, as an example, he has a “Letters” column where he states he answers ALL the letters himself (I’ve sent a few, and always get a reply), and the bulk of requests are folks asking him to release this show, or this tour, etc, and he tells you if the request is even doable. I don’t expect the Core Four to answer Dead Head mail, but a quick email survey is interesting. Maybe it is as easy as Ice Cream Kid says, and we just hit up the request thread, but it doesn’t tell us what tapes are in the vault, and what condition, etc.

    PS - Dave, you are right about seeing the art “in person”, but of course, work of say a DaVinci is so limited, so rare, and will not ever tour, that it would be so hard to see in person, save visiting Paris or Venice. But, should a major show make the rounds, like Picasso, or Diego Rivera/Frida Khalo, I’ve made a point to see it, and you are right - seeing a picture of these works does not do them justice! There is something about seeing The One And Only of something, knowing the artist worked on this piece. I’ll paraphrase Mr Ones al a “Music is the best”: “Art - and sports - are a close second!”

  • daverock
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    Crmcnkd - I hadn't noticed that section asking us to make recommendations, so thanks for pointing that out. Maybe, though, the only people likely to fill that out are the people who come on here-all the old faces-and we know what they (we, me) will say in advance. I like the idea of reaching people who may not come on here - maybe an email like we get telling us what is coming out- but asking us what we would like to see coming out instead. The key is, it has to be "them" wanting a survey - as much, if not more, than "us" wanting to fill one in.

    Oro - thinking of casual fans of different eras, it reminds me of the fact that Deadheads didn't actually exist in the 1960s. I can't imagine early fans travelling around the country to see them. I guess it started with the invite to "Deadfreaks" on "Skull and Roses", but I would think it took several years before the travelling circus developed.

    It's interesting watching a documentary on late 60's San Francisco bands called "Go Ride The Music-West Pole". The main bands on this are Jefferson Airplane and Quicksilver Messenger Service - but at one point an interviewer asks people queuing up outside a concert hall, who their favourite bands are. I was expecting them to say "The Dead" automatically-but they don't. They are mentioned but they were clearly perceived at that time as just being another band, along with the two mentioned, Steve Miller, Janis etc.

    Mike - one of the great things about going to art galleries is how much more alive the originals are compared to the prints and posters you can see anywhere. I would say that going to an art gallery to look at paintings is a bit like going out to hear live music. If you go to any gallery, look at the originals, and then go in the gift shop and look at a book reproducing the originals you have just seen, the difference between the two is shocking.

  • icecrmcnkd
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    Don’t forget that several people, including myself, have previously told stories about talking to other deadheads who are completely clueless or disinterested in the official releases.

    The RFK Box is 15,000 copies and not sold out, although the banner says “less than 750 left”.
    My Boxes are packed away so I can’t check what the production numbers are, but 15,000 seems to be the limit except for a few releases that need an AME.
    I think that the last few Boxes were in the 10,000-12,000 range.

    Dave’s Picks can sell 25,000 due to people buying more than one subscription and resellers.
    And if you subscribe early bird you get 13 or 14 CD’s for $100, which is a pretty good deal.

    For those wanting to take a survey, there is a page on this site called ‘Requests - Box Sets’.
    I posted on it this morning, so use the ‘recent posts’ button to get to it, or use the search box.

  • That Mike
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    I am enjoying the discussion, because I’m hoping the marketing folks, or even the interns working at Rhino, see that this is a very passionate group of dedicated fans. Oro, I really think you have made some great points, and it is hard to please everyone (personally I have never been a hardcore 60s Dead fan, because that was before they came along with jewels like Wake of The Flood, Mars Hotel, etc, and all the outstanding concert material those albums brought forth), but so much work goes into the sourcing and mixing of the music in these boxes, and the art work, and the history to the scene happening at the time, that most, if not all, are home runs.
    Oro, you definitely hit the mark on many points, as did others, but collectively, as a group of fans, our mantra is “Keep ‘Em Coming!”

    DR - I love a wide range of art, and even doodle a bit myself, but Hopper is definitely an artist I have held in the highest esteem, for his amazing use of light and open space to paradoxically create figures of loneliness and solitude. If I can ever get my butt to NYC, the Whitney Museum of American Art is where I plan to sleep; the guy was an American master, and really nice to hear you too see his immense talent.

    Last listen - McLaughlin/Corea - Five Peace Band Live
    On Deck - Ry Cooder - The UFO Has Landed

  • 1stshow70878
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    Great Discussion

    I think I fall into the category y'all are citing here. Not quite into it as much as the die-hards but wanting it all anyway. The LTTR box was more money than I was willing to put out at the time so I chose the LIA vinyl instead. A trade off decided by my having already pre-ordered Dave's #1 vinyl and simply wanting to get more vinyl. Interestingly, all the fantastic comments have me alternately regretting my choice and being satisfied with a taste of '72. DR said recently the chunk I have on Light Into Ashes is the crux of the biscuit of the box so today I feel satisfied. My collecting took a hiatus around the time the big Europe '72 trunk came out but kindly folks here are helping me fill that void. Thanks to all for keeping the fire alive. It's so nice to have reliable information from everyone here in our disinformation shrouded world.
    Cheers all!

  • Oroborous
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    Mike, the 60s vibe, that’s a good example of what I’m saying. To “US”, the hardcore lunatics at deadnet, there appears to be an overwhelming unified consensus demanding a 60s box, but perhaps if you did a survey like DR suggests, our sample might be quite small comparatively? Just talking out me arse, but worth a thought?
    You’d think they’d be doing marketing , but maybe not? Maybe they have been so fortunate to have enough of a loyal, reliable, bankable demand that they could just go with whatever they felt was good?

    Personally, I think it’s good when things don’t sell out immediately. Gives some folks like P.T. etc a chance to decide or what not if they want to buy it. Or maybe you didn’t hear about it right a way, and as the bastard Murphy would have it, your busted after getting yet another of your kids braces, while the other kid smashed the car, and your washing machine broke. Like “Whaaaa???, you want $300 tomorrow morning, Dooaahh”
    But these are singular micro type scenarios and we’re talking macro level.
    Maybe DR is right and the nostalgia factor is bigger then I think, in that logistically, because of age, there are more casual fans from the later years than the early ones. Hell statistically, comparatively there weren’t that many causal fans in the early years. Let’s face it, for good or for ill, as time advanced there were way more causal “lets just go party and check it out folks” going to shows.
    So maybe that’s part of it, when/if something that this larger population feels more akin to comes round, their more likely to buy it, then yet another older moldy from a time they don’t know or care about because they’ve never been in that deep?
    I guess it’s probably a perfect storm of all the things we’ve been discussing? All these factors add up and the amount of units we’re talking about isn’t really that large, so…
    But!….that’s all the more reason to deliver more, but smaller batches of certain eras!

    Though I understand why a Giants type box would sell so fast, I still, do not understand fully how this box, by now, has not? Shifting market demographics and saturation is my guess though?
    Just goes to show…

  • daverock
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    ThatMike - my eyes lit up when you mentioned Edward Hopper. I really like his work too. About 20 years ago there was great exhibition on in London, and it was a real treat to be able to go from room to room and get drawn into his world. You can see his influence sometimes in films -"Deep Red" by Dario Argento features a scene that is clearly modelled on "The Nighthawks". And although I can't think of specific examples at the moment, Alfred Hitchcock and David Lynch feature scenes in some of their films that look to me to have been influenced by Hopper's way of seeing things.

  • PT Barnum
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    format? sound quality? putting great shows with good shows?

    IMO there seems to be lots of reasons why this has not sold out. I did not buy it and I buy them all. After the so so patch jobs on the PNW box which I did not care for, I passed on this box. These are all good shows, with great shows mixed in. Call me a snob but I want all great shows with no cuts or patches. If that's not possible then I will just keep what I got from the archive or from etree, why spend that kind of scratch for shows I already have that only sound a bit better?
    The format could be the reason, some only want from the era they were a part of, mostly 80's from what I gather here. I like the progression of the band from psychedelic juggernaut to what they became, but not everyone's cup of tea.
    Perhaps it's the ploy of putting out most requested shows with shows that are not up to the great show that they are centered around? The original great box was a tough act to follow, seeings how the E72 tour was their best tour and it was the first one released with a massive 73 discs. With that great price. How to follow that? It's been what tptb have been asking themselves since.
    The spring 90 boxes are a good example of that also, a great tour with consistently great shows released at a great price, which sold out quickly.
    But what do I know? just the ramblings of an old deadhead on the first day of Spring.

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What's Inside:
7 Previously Unreleased Complete Shows On 20 Discs
Fox Theatre, St. Louis, MO 12/09/71
Fox Theatre, St. Louis, MO 12/10/71
Fox Theatre, St. Louis, MO 10/17/72
Fox Theatre, St. Louis, MO 10/18/72
Fox Theatre, St. Louis, MO 10/19/72
Kiel Auditorium, St. Louis, MO 10/29/73
Kiel Auditorium, St. Louis, MO 10/30/73
Sourced from tapes recorded by Rex Jackson, Owsley "Bear" Stanley, and Kidd Candelario
Mastered in HDCD by Jeffrey Norman
Restoration and Speed Correction by Plangent Processes
 
Individually Numbered, Limited Edition of 13,000

Steamboats and BBQ, ice cream cones and Mardi Gras - are you ready to laissez les bons temps rouler with the "gateway" to the Grateful Dead? Meet us, won't you, in St. Louis for seven complete and previously unreleased Dead concerts that capture the heart of the band's affinity for the River City.
 
LISTEN TO THE RIVER: ST. LOUIS ’71 ’72 ’73 is a 20CD set featuring five shows from the Fox Theatre - December 9 and 10, 1971; October 17-19, 1972; and two from the Kiel Auditorium - October 29 and 30, 1973. 
 
The seven shows in the collection span slightly less than two years, but they represent some of the best shows the Grateful Dead played during some of its peak tours. The music tells the story of a band evolving, changing from one sound to another seamlessly, precipitated – in large part – by significant personnel changes in the Dead’s lineup.
 
The two 1971 shows feature the original Grateful Dead lineup plus newcomer Keith Godchaux on piano. This version of the band would hold together for the next six months as the Dead embarked upon its Europe ’72 tour. By the time the Dead returned to the Fox Theatre less than a year later, they were without Pigpen, who’d played his final show with the Dead at the Hollywood Bowl on June 17, 1972. A year after the exceptional Fox 1972 shows, the Dead came back to St. Louis, but played the much larger Kiel Auditorium, touring behind the release of WAKE OF THE FLOOD, which came out just two weeks before.
 
All told, the band played 60 different songs during these shows highlighted by blazing romps through “Beat It On Down The Line” and “One More Saturday Night” and wistful takes on “Row Jimmy” and “Brokedown Palace” (whose lyrics give the collection its name). Meanwhile, the copious jamming ebbed and flowed like the mighty Mississippi River on multiple voyages through “The Other One” and “Dark Star.” Naturally, the band paid tribute to one of its favorite rock and rollers and one of St. Louis’ biggest stars by playing Chuck Berry songs at every show in the collection, including Pigpen galloping through “Run Rudolph Run.”  
 
Each show has been restored and speed corrected using Plangent Processes with mastering by Jeffrey Norman. The collection comes in a slipcase with artwork by Liane Plant and features an 84-page hardbound book as well as other Dead surprises. To set the stage for the music, the liner notes provide several essays about the shows, including one by Sam Cutler, the band’s tour manager during that era, and another by Grateful Dead scholar Nicholas G. Meriwether, among others. 
 
Due October 1st, LISTEN TO THE RIVER: ST. LOUIS ’71 ’72 ’73, is limited to 13,000 individually numbered copies and available exclusively from Dead.net.

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I guess it’s finally the “top of the week.” UPS just sent me a shipping notice, with no further info about what it is or when it’ll be delivered, and even though Dead.net still just shows “processing” and “not shipped,” I’m thinking this is probably the StL box. So, if past experiences are any indication, it’ll take another 3-4 days for this one to leave the warehouse, and then 4-5 days to get to me. So the unboxing ceremony is probably 7-10 days out.

Which is fine. I was really hoping it’d be here this weekend, because my brother in law, a serious Head, will be visiting, and I was looking forward to being able listen to this set on a couple of longish drives we’re going to take. Oh well. It’s not like I don’t have lots of other shows we can listen to. We will get by.

Meanwhile, checking out some Kneebody, Bill Evans Live at Hilversium, the Meters Gettin' Funkier All the Time. I will survive.

Right now it looks like i'm scheduled to get the box saturday evening. Man, i can't think of a better time for that to arrive. Will have some beers on ice in preparation.

Also, i know it's not everyone's cup of tea but i also just confirmation about my Phish tickets for the MSG run at the end of the year! This week is off to a good start...

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Just got a UPS shipping notice. It said it shipped out Oct 5th (although I just received the email a moment ago) & estimates it'll be delivered Oct 12th by 7pm.

For what it's worth, I'm in the Midwest. Well, finally seems like some movement based on other posts & my shipping notice.

Best of luck to all out there waiting for their Fox Box!

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Due to arrive on Saturday! Wooo Hooo!

Today I received a box from Dead.net, thought perhaps it was an early box, but noooooo, it was my Garden Bear growing mushrooms. Sooo Cute!

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Check the comments on the page for the downloads.
As expected, Rhino screwed that up too, as usual.

It’s pretty dumbfounding that Rhino consistently fails at downloads. Definitely amateur hour in the Rhino IT department.

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Just in time for for a big weekend bbq,, I wIll have to pick up a case of Pliny the Elders to celebrate.

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shipwrecked?

Billy.. I'll be by around 5:30. Pulled Chicken you say? I'll bring the Pliny, ayahuasca and some wine.

As for the digital downloads not working exactly perfect.. well.... Was anyone really surprised? They will make good Friday (give or take), my memory is not great but I don't recall them ever getting this right on the first try... , then again I could be wrong.

Either way, resist the temptation to take it out on Jebadiah. He's new.. a little bit shy but a super nice guy.

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I thought you would have some kind of priority with the box since your an important person in Vegas. I think you should send an email to rhino saying "do you know who I am?"

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I feel like Flounder. Oh boy, is this great!

It's only up to "created label" and not yet out for delivery, but the ball is moving upfield....

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Jim, I'll be cooking ribeye steaks on the bbq, I usually crack my first beer in the morning. Cracking a beer at 9am and starting a bbq, is so much better then getting into my truck and driving off to work.

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Anyone know how large the box is for the 20-CD set? Picture or dimensions? trying to figure out if it will fit in my somewhat smaller mailbox.

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I finally got a shipped email. I don't how UPS will deliver on Sunday, October 10 by 7:00 P.M. I didn't think they worked on the weekend.

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After years of getting things weeks after others (including most Dave's Picks), my box is here ahead of schedule.

I'm happy to report that she's a beaut. The shipping box is as thoughtful as always, and the actual box set packaging is stunning: the design is cool but still functional, and some very cool surprise goodies are tucked in as well.

As for size, it's like a smaller version of the Spring '90 box with the CDs loaded into the side of the box's inner shell. You guys are going to be very pleased.

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Here in the Twin Cities we are fortunate to have a dedicated jazz radio station (KBEM--88.5 on your FM dial--streaming, too!), which is member-supported (yes, I donate). They have a bluegrass show and a jammy show (that DJ usually plays one Phish song each time), but mostly just play straight-up jazz. I listen a lot in the car when I am not making longer drives that warrant a 20-minute Playin' or some such treat.

Anyway, the other day I'm cruising around running errands, when suddenly, that beloved and familiar riff comes sneaking out of my car speakers: "Duh duh duh duhn . . . duh duh duh duhn . . . " Dark Star! The station was playing the new release by Dave McMurray, and at midday, nonetheless.

Yesterday's bike ride tunes: Schubert String Quartet No. 14 by the Juilliard Quartet, followed by disc two of DP 11 (9/27/72), the latter to prepare for the River box.

Also--started listening to my fourth show, 9/5/91, and the first set just kills it! I was lucky to have seen some of the summer and fall 1991 shows, as they really rocked my world. Is 1991 > 1990? :-O

p.s. Alan--glad to hear you got your box! Enjoy!

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Great show! I was there. My 22nd Dead show I believe. The first night was great as well but that third show was epic. A very "jammy" night.

Unless it arrives a day early looks like this should arrive Saturday.

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Still no shipping notice from Dead.net, but according to UPS, my 5.6 pound bundle of joy from Gnarlywood is a-rambling its way up north, having departed La Mirada, then paused overnight in the bustling metropolis of Visalia (because who wouldn't?) and is now supposedly destined to arrive here on Saturday. (Woohoo!) Although I will be hiking most of the day out at Pt. Reyes, so it's kind of less than ideal to have that package sitting on the porch for a few hours waiting for my return (d'oh!). But package pirates haven''t been much of an issue in my neighborhood (yet), so it's probably all good.

And to think I almost went for the download this time just so I could avoid all the shipping hassles, but now it appears I will have my seedies before our downloading brethren get their full measure of FLACS. Talk about your plenty, talk about your ills. Etc.

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Will it be a tie? Now it looks like both the T-shirt and the Fox Box are arriving at my doorstep tomorrow.
Los Lobos concert tomorrow night...what a day!

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I just received a notice that the delivery for my box is delayed. Anyone else getting the same message?

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There was some discussion early in this thread about how much would be charged to get the box into the UK. I think it was IANM who calculated it would be a little over 40 GBP. I’ve just had a request to pay around 63 GBP. Anyone else over here seen that charge yet? I’d like to hope it means they’ve used an expensive shipping route and the box will turn up quickly. Currently it is still in California. Well you have to pay for the music I suppose.

Edit: Interestingly I’ve just paid the requested fee and the UPS site tells me it will be delivered today by 2pm! I doubt that is correct but I hope to be proved wrong. Time will tell.

Edit 2: UPS have changed their mind. They are still saying by the end of today, but I think they’re just playing with me.

Colin-yes, I have just paid around £63.00 to UPS, too. The last email I had from them, yesterday I think, said it would be delivered today between 10.45am and 2.45pm.
I got "Light Into Ashes" delivered by regular mail yesterday, and wasn't asked to pay anything extra, which was a nice surprise. Haven't played it yet, as I was called out to lunch unexpectedly and didnt get back till late. Today looks like the day!

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Was 10/10
Then 10/12
Now back to 10/10

USPS does in fact deliver packages on Sunday, they just don’t deliver letters.
USPS, UPS, FedEx, and Amazon all deliver on my street pretty much every Sunday. I attribute it to Amazon Prime, and people buying more online.

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Just paid UPS 868 sek( Swedish kronor), though as far as I can see, last tracking still puts it in California.

Colin/Dave,

UPS have a reputation for charging random costs on imports to the UK. The UK governments Import Duty calculator comes up with a cost of UKP31.67 VAT and UKP0.00 Import Duty based on the selling price of $215.97 and today's exchange rate. Add the UKP11.50 UPS Brokerage fee and you should have been charged UKP43.17 not 63.15. I have no issue paying the correct fees but a near 50% overcharge is completely unacceptable.

I've not received a demand yet but my box is still in La Mirada, CA waiting to be sent by UPS Worldwide Saver which has a 2 day delivery estimate.

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er, the fox landed in Eagle, around 4:20 yesterday...
Ripped first three, listened to first show 12/9/71. The show is just good status quo 71 (in a good way), but nothing spectacular stands out, except for the hasty ending.
The sound is awesome though! Haven’t had time to do comparative analysis with earlier 71 multi track releases, but so far, this first show sounds great!

Ok, onto 12/10/71,
ROLLING!

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I got the same message. First it was shipped, then it was delivered. Except it wasn't. Then it was backordered, and as of this am its being delivered again.

Somehow, everything i've ordered from dead.net has found its way to my front step, by hook or crook, eventually, so I hold some faith that this box will be no different.

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Just wondering if any other Canadians that bought this box paid the taxes, when they purchased from this website and now have to pay the taxes again when UPS is taking across the border. Both times it has said taxes not duties or brokerage etc.

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gimme a Fee!
gimme a dUty!
gimme a Charge!
gimme a taKx!

what's that spell?! what's that spell?! what's that spell?!

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Received the box yesterday. It's a bit bigger than "get shown the light" box. It's interesting how the CDs/book are slot into the side of the inner box instead of the usual "open" style. Interesting goodies and book. Still on 12/9/71 and it sounds amazing! Individual show artwork could have been better though! Hope everyone will receive it soon!

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Yes, I received an invoice from UPS this morning in my email regarding “Import Fees”. I think the last time I was charged this was for the 30 Trips box back in 2015, it’s always hit or miss. Anyways, I paid them - $43 - but no idea on where exactly the package is, or estimated delivery date.

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Are the Fox shows multi track or two track?

Domo arigato.

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We ordered our Box Set the morning it was available to order, and we still haven’t gotten a shipping Email yet. Apparently when you order, it has no impact on when you get the product which seems odd when dealing with a numbered limited edition release.

Granted, this is a rather petty issue when you put it in context with the grand scheme of things, but I just wanted to get it off my chest.

Thanks for listening.

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and the t-shirt, too. I feel like a little kid on Christmas morning.

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Ianm - that's annoying. I am also reconciled to paying postage/duty/customs/whatever-at the correct rate. But to have the amount I have to pay randomley increased, by so much, is not on.

I also had my nose pushed out of joint today by the email from UPS to say the box would be delivered today between specific times. I dutifully waited in - and it didn't turn up. No update of the original message either. The next time I will be in all day will be next Tuesday, so here's hoping I can connect with them at some point.

On the good side - I know its not the forum for it, but while I'm here - " Light Into Ashes" vinyl is incredible! On every level - sound, playing, material. I wonder if this is the epicenter of the whole box-the moments that the shows from 1971 are moving towards and the ones from 1973 are drawing away from. It will be great to hear this music in the context of the show-and in the context of the box as a whole.

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Jaysspacedhead - I indeed got hit again for the duties, taxes, etc. I just paid $49 to UPS because I don't know how import duties work and I just want this joyful noise so badly. But since ordering I moved from Alberta (where taxes don't exist) to Quebec (where tax is pretty steep), so I wasn't sure if this got factored into the equation.

Anyway, it seems to be "On the way" but I have no idea what that really means.

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After briefly saying I would have the box set by the end of the day UPS changed back to saying it would arrive today between 09:45 and 12:45. It still says this despite it being 20:00 now. I really didn’t expect it to turn up since it was only shipped from California yesterday but why is the UPS info so wrong? They don’t usually deliver at the weekend but who knows. Let it arrive and let the discs work.

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Love the show! First time caller. Long time listener. I see here in dead.net that my order has shipped (status since Monday eve), but no tracking info. No shipping email. Just a little nervous that my box fell behind a filing cabinet (do they have those anymore?). But hey it wouldn't be the first time an order showed up without a shipping notice.

I am just uber jealous of those who have received theirs is all. FOMO! Guess I have to stream 12/10......again!

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I have $43.99 charge from UPS as well in Ontario, Canada. Also paid tax on the original purchase.

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They have this all f'd up. The light into ashes showed up in record time pardon the pun because ups delivered it. I think it is time the dead rhino figure out a way to allow us to choose shipping method. this ups surepost is garbage and way cheaper. I would gladly pay for expedited shipping!

Got my email notification last Tuesday I believe it was and it showed up today!!! Time to start ripping...cool little extras too...

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Hey Twoswans,

I hear you and I am in the exact same boat. Order all releases on the first day available and never receive them on time. Still waiting for a shipping notification. You can't blame the carriers if it doesn't leave the warehouse.

Hope you all enjoy the box.
I am not sure if it is multi track, but I would be surprised if it was. They typically only brought that out for specific purposes.
For those that have the box, maybe they could shed some light on it.

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