- 1,193 repliesmarye
Joined:Since the existing threads along this line are more archival than current, here's a new one for discussing events in the outside world. In a civil and respectful manner please. There's a lot going on out there. Stay safe, look out for each other
- JimInMD
Joined:Re: 3rd TermWell said, valid points.
As for Obama running, what a relief it would be to have that much sanity returned to the white house. I bet Michelle might have something to say about it also. I can only imagine what that run up to the election would look like. Wow, what a juxtaposition.
I love the quote someone recently said, I forget who.. and am paraphrasing to best of my memory.
Why are we giving $20 to $40 Billion dollars to Argentina, because I have a funny feeling most of the current administration will be moving there after he leaves office.
- jonathan918@GD
Joined:3rd TermYes, that should apply to everyone!
However, this perpetrator only cars about himself. You know, humans have a hard time admitting when they are wrong. Lord knows the folks who voted him back in, are sure as hell unable to admit it!!EDIT: Also, all those other peretrators who are currently behind him in everyway (Spear Of The House, etc) are in for a rude awaking when he's gone. As no one else, IMHO, is going to be able to manipulate and get away with, what the orange turd has
Personaly, I think we will weather this storm. Even though the damage is already at a devastating amount, I'm choosing to keep the faith!!
- JimInMD
Joined:Great Googly MooglyIf he gets unpopular enough, this coup of our democracy and electoral process will not succeed. But his numbers still have to drop some.
Watch for a concerted counter offensive. A cornered rat is a dangerous rat.
Good news for now.
But this is a short-term win, this is a cancer that will either grow or be beaten.
Thought for a day, this $300M to $500M grotesque out of the blue ball room is not being built for the next president. It is being built for this president, but it's estimated completion date is not until the end of his term (same with the $1 billion retrofit of Air Force One) and apparently, he really likes his new gold and marble crapper room. He's not planning to leave.
The system, as they like to say, is being rigged, little by little, day by day. Watch this and make noise when the election process is not fair and not legal.
- 1stshow70878Joined:Power To The People!
Think globally, act locally. Locally we did a successful recall election of an idiot county commissioner who was as Trumpy as it gets. And this in a county where we have only a third of the the electorate on our side. Sweet success!
And my state voted to bring back free school lunches, Including working with local farmers to get fresh local products to the schools, pay our school cafeteria workers more, and give any monies leftover to SNAP. All from a new tax. Unfortunately all 4 local school board candidates on the Trumpy side won. But at least the board is not all bad (yet).
Democratic sweep on election night nationally. The 2 governors, NYC mayor, and CA prop. 50. Very encouraging in these trying times. We can do this thing!
Cheers - Dennis
Joined:4 Winds and Trickle DownThat's what you get when you stand under someone pissing.
These words have stuck with me for years.
There's a Vietnam vet with a cardboard sign
Sitting there by the left turn line
The flag on his wheelchair flapping in the breeze
One leg missing and both hands free
No one's paying much mind to him
The V.A. budget's just stretched so thin
And now there' s more coming back from the Mideast war
We can't make it here anymore
And that big ol' building was the textile mill
That fed our kids and it paid our bills
But they turned us out and they closed the doors
'Cause we can' t make it here anymore
You see those pallets piled up on the loading dock
They're just gonna sit there 'til they rot
'Cause there's nothing to ship, nothing to pack
Just busted concrete and rusted tracks
Empty storefronts around the square
There's a needle in the gutter and glass everywhere
You don't come down here unless you're looking to score
We can't make it here anymore
The bar's still open but man it' s slow
The tip jar's light and the register' s low
The bartender don't have much to say
The regular crowd gets thinner each day
Some have maxed out all their credit cards
Some are working two jobs and living in cars
Minimum wage won't pay for a roof, won't pay for a drink
If you gotta have proof just try it yourself, Mr. CEO
See how far $5.15 an hour will go
Take a part time job at one your stores
I bet you can't make it here anymore
There's a high school girl with a bourgeois dream
Just like the pictures in the magazine
She found on the floor of the laundromat
A woman with kids can forget all that
If she comes up pregnant what'll she do
Forget the career and forget about school
Can she live on faith? Live on hope?
High on Jesus or hooked on dope
When it's way too late to just say no
You can't make it here anymore
Now I'm stocking shirts in the Wal-Mart store
Just like the ones we made before
'Cept this one came from Singapore
I guess we can't make it here anymore
Should I hate a people for the shade of their skin
Or the shape of their eyes or the shape I'm in
Should I hate 'em for having our jobs today
No, I hate the men sent the jobs away
I can see them all now, they haunt my dreams
All lily white and squeaky clean
They've never known want, they'll never know need
Their shit don't stink and their kids won't bleed
Their kids won't bleed in their damn little war
And we can't make it here anymore
Will work for food, will die for oil
Will kill for power, and to us the spoils
The billionaires get to pay less tax
The working poor get to fall through the cracks
So let 'em eat jellybeans let 'em eat cake
Let 'em eat shit, whatever it takes
They can join the Air Force or join the Corps
If they can't make it here anymore
So that's how it is, that's what we got
If the president wants to admit it or not
You can read it in the paper, read it on the wall
Hear it on the wind if you're listening at all
Get out of that limo, look us in the eye
Call us on the cell phone, tell us all why
In Dayton, Ohio or Portland, Maine
Or a cotton gin out on the great high plains
That's done closed down, along with the school
And the hospital, and the swimming pool
Dust devils dance in the noonday heat
There's rats in the alley and trash in the street
Gang graffiti on a boxcar door
We can't make it here anymorewritten by James Mc Murtry,,, we can't make it here anymore (on youtube)
- fourwindsblow
Joined:Round and Round...I don't see why we have too keep fixing things after the conservatives screw things up...70's, 80's, early 90's, 2000's, late 2010's. Here we are again!!!
Blame everyone else, but themselves whom are the ones responsible for the way this country has gone in the last 55 years.
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Trickle Down Economics...Who would vote for that??

And I would just like to say
Pessimistic
I have a feeling we're going to see ever more climate-induced disasters like in LA, Valencia and many others.
Pessimistic
I would agree with that. A lot of people feel that they have no power to change things, or that it is somebody else's responsibility. And regarding climate change, those in a position of power don't care enough to do anything significant about it. This, combined with a personal sense of entitlement decrees that people feel they have the right to do what they like irrespective of the harm it causes the environment. Add the two together and things don't look so bright. Look at the world leaders and they look worse.
Maybe it will take the suffering of those in power to make them instigate change. A terrible suggestion, but they don't seem to care enough about anything outside their own, or supposed national interests to do anything different unless they are under threat themselves.
Incidentally - I can only find this page when someone else puts an entry in. Same goes for the Daves Picks 52 section.
Right on the Mark, Daverock ...
That was very eloquently stated.
“Stop Global Warming”
On the front of Mick Jagger’s shirt at the Montreal show in December 1989.
There’s a video of that show and he’s wearing the shirt, but I don’t know if he wore it for every show on that tour.
So yeah, 1989, we were well aware of the dangers then……
Climate change becoming less important?
Here in the Netherlands, polls suggest that climate change is sinking down the list of things that people feel the government should be dealing with. In 2020 it was in the top three. By last year it had dropped to sixth place and this year it had sunk to tenth place. There could be any number of reasons for this. As the government consistently fails to get a grip of economic and social problems, the difficulties faced by people on a day-to-day basis naturally are top of their priorities. This is hardly surprising but the effects of climate change in the Netherlands are already clear and will only become more extreme in the future. Fortunately we haven't yet experienced any really major climate-induced disasters up to now but it is surely only a matter of time before something really catastrophic happens.
Who Cares…
About the climate/planet/Arctic Sea
The loss of free democracies
Genocide
Potential World and/or civil war…
“my groceries are too expensive”
Edit: 89?…stoner Bobby was trying to wake everyone the fuck up years before that. Hell they did that whole 88 MSG run for the rainforest and spoke at the UN. No offense to the boys but it’s kinda sad that they had to be one of the early voices telling the world to wake up….unfortunately, people were more interested in getting cheap fast food burgers and drive huge gas guzzling behemoths just to get one person to work etc
THINK GLOBALLY...
...ACT LOCALLY
that was the poster we
had hung on the wall
of the staircase landing wall
at our apartment
and that was 1991!
Wo-oh, what I want to know, where does the time go?
go back and read your OLD RELIX magazines,
EVERY issue in the late '80's and early '90's had articles
about what we can do about OUR WORLD!
PEACE for ALL!
uncle_tripel
Wo-oh, what I want to know is, are you kind?
Act locally
That's a good point, Uncle Tripel. I think, to be fair, a lot of people feel overawed by the sheer scale of what is going wrong in the world. It can make us feel utterly helpless, so that we can be tempted to turn our back on it all and turn on into our own private world.
Personally, I think we all have a responsibility, and we can all effect change by making small moves in a more altruistic direction, in a way that is manageable for us and our circumstances. For example - I drive my car as little as possible. It is fuelled on petrol, so every time I take it out I am damaging the environment. I drive about a mile a week. For me this is an easy thing to achieve. I live in England, am retired and am comparatively fit. This would not be so easy if you lived in the States or were still working, for example. But that doesn't mean that there is nothing else that could be done. We are all responsible - and we can all make a difference.
And then turn on into out own little world . You don't have to turn into a saint !
Dave’s picks won’t get delivered…
Unless tptb change things.
Due to contract nonsense, UPS will no longer deliver to Post Offices so anything addressed with a PO or PO Box will be sent back!!!
Rhino has to either get physical addresses from all those effected (up to 31 million Americans) and ship directly to that address via UPS, or use USPS exclusively.
Don’t believe me, look it up!
What do you think the odds are this has been considered before 53 goes out in two weeks?
Oro
For me, and you too I think, our DaP parcels go UPS to the Denver UPS sorting facility then UPS drives it over to USPS there in Denver at the USPS sorting facility before going out USPS to smaller USPS offices. That should not affect us I don't believe. At least that's what the tracking indicates. I was puzzled by your other post regarding this subject so I did some research and that is what I found.
Cheers
Edit - Not sure about box sets though. Can't remember the tracking on those.
Thanks ISTSHOW
But do you get home delivery or PO Box only?
We can only get Mail delivered to a PO Box so it will be sent back.
If UPS sees a PO address or PO Box it will be sent back, if you get your mail normally, delivered at home, you’ll supposedly be ok as UPS will skip the handoff to USPS and just deliver to your house, instead of the mail person.
The problem is how items need to be addressed.
For those who can only get mail at PO Box etc because we cannot put any additional information on the item or it will get sent back.
So in order to get DaP, we HAVE to use only the PO Box number,
inversely to get UPS the item can only have the physical address…it’s a real hassle purchasing/dealing with vendors since when you try to order the service people don’t understand this and often cannot answer how their item will ultimately be shipped. And since most people get home mail delivery, unfortunately most of these folks don’t care, which means we have a lot of stuff addressed the wrong way that gets sent back, UGH…
In the past, most of the boxes have been sent normal UPS ground or we were given the option to use normal UPS, last year I think was different?
If we could just pick our own method, even at a premium, (like in the past) life would be easier and so much less stressful…
So for rhino to deliver our DaP via UPS only, they would have to get our physical address, which hasn’t happened. If they just go completely USPS, using our PO Box number on file, then we’ll be ok. Fingers crossed…
Oro
OK, I get it now. Well explained. This IS going to be an issue it seems. Wonder what would happen if the sender would put both P.O. box and street address? Mail Innovations needs to get this shi+ together! I get street delivery here but what a pain for our friends in the rural areas. You got a trusted nearby friend with a street address? Hmm.. maybe not the best alternative as it adds too many extra steps. Or wait, doesn't the "UPS Store" in town advertise that you can get a box with them that has their street address on it? Aha, that's their evil plan! More business for them. Good luck.
Cheers
Good Questions
If you put both addresses on it our PO will send it back…crazy, I know.
For a while they we’re allowing us to use a hybrid variation…but that’s been done away with, now, it’ll get sent back. It’s like the soup nazi I tell ya: one wrong dot and No Soup For You!
If vendors could just tell us upfront how they will be shipping beforehand like
“DaP 107 will be shipped via carrier pigeon, to a blue space shuttle, then parachuted to depot where trains will transport to regional facility where it will be taken to your local PO via hover craft, but hand delivered by low security work release inmates to your door” at least you’d know lol
But seriously if we knew, for sure, how something was coming it’s as simple as then providing the proper address…sigh.
OR..if there was regulation where both addresses COULD be used…
Of course the Real issue is money. USPS wants more money to process the increases of UPS items their handling and UPS doesn’t want to pay, or so is my understanding…money, money, money, money….. money!
P.O. and climate
I will be POed if 53 does not get delivered to my PO Box. The Whole Earth Catalog first came out in 1968, that cover shot of earth from space credited with increasing mass awareness of our fragile planet. And for some climate based concerns in lyric, check out Eskimo Blue Day on Volunteers, 1969, JA, right around the time Tuna got Hot.
climate etc
There has been an increasing awareness of our relationship with the planet, at least since the 1960's, when I was growing up - then and in the 1970's. Such concerns were often ridiculed by mainstream culture. Prince Charles, as he then was, was often mocked for his expressed concerns.
Several other things that have become more mainstream now, were mocked or side lined when I was growing up. Meditation, Eastern religion and vegetarianism come to mind. None of those things existed within my parents circle of relationships, and comedians of the day had a field day with them.
The Environmental Godmother?
Don’t forget Rachel Carson!
Perhaps the progenitor of it all?
Back in the fifties and the impact her famous book Silent Spring had.
Many have tried, but when the self absorbed public won’t change simple behaviors nothing improves….actually, it gets worse : (
Oro & the Environment
You mentioned "small changes".
I think it was Obama's science guy who said something to the effect that if we painted every roof white this would reflect light back into space and reduce greenhouse gases. He said but you can't even get people to do this!
I know in Plano, most have dark color roofs. I think the shingle people know dark color shingles dry out faster than the silverish ones I grew up with in Jersey. House I grew up in had same silver roof over 30 years.
Solar panels on your roof
Not only do they generate electricity but they also cast a shadow on your roof which helps keep the attic and house cooler. Good for hot locations.
Though in a cold, snowy location the dark shingles absorb heat and warm up the attic.
A house down the street from me has roof panels, but they’ve been covered in snow and not generating electricity.
My neighbor looked into getting panels but the batteries to store the electricity were too expensive. You can also ‘rent’ your roof to a company that installs panels and you get electricity from them during the day but there are no batteries to store the electricity for at night.
Solar Ice Cream
One of the more recent things I saw, was instead of "batteries", they used the electric from the day to run a compressor, at night the compressor blew a small wind generator.
I thought, great idea.
Like dropping cable solar panels are always on the list of things to do. Right after I replace the chimney cap on my highest roof! The cap is made, just need to drag it up 30ft and drop on chimney!
Dennis
The compressor is a good idea, but does it run continuously or only when there is demand?
It’s unfortunate for the fire situation in L.A., but it’s also an opportunity to put solar panels on every new house built.
There may already be a CA law that solar panels have to be included in any new construction.
There should also be solar, wind, and geothermal powered desalination plants on the CA coast. The coast shouldn’t be reliant on the Sierras for water.
The desalinated seawater could also be piped to Vegas to waste on worthless fountains.
Ice Cream Compressor
I would think that would depend on use and size of storage tank for the air.
One can only imagine the size of the storage tank needed to run a generator for 12 hours!
I still like the concept,,,,, batteries aren't really earth friendly.
Ceasefire in Gaza
The reported ceasefire and hostage - prisoner exchange sounds promising. We can but hope, pray or whatever we do.
Huh. Lots of familiar faces on this side of the site....
....Colin Gould led the way.
Watching from across the pond.
I'll be watching with interest as America transitions from democracy to oligarchy. Unfortunately I suspect no part of the world will remain unaffected by what's to come.
Not good
A deeply shameful day in American history. It's a shame no one can explain to this man that America has never been great. Simply a work in progress, like everywhere else. I can't help thinking that this tragedy could have been averted by sentencing to a spell in prison. An opportunity to put things right that wasn't taken.
Watching from Denmark..
..Soon to be state 51..
Unfortunate.
It's unfortunate that the orange one is a businessman, not a politician. As a result he is only concerned with the accumulation of wealth and has no idea how the world works, not that he cares. As a result, his isolationist masterplan to make America great again is almost certainly doomed to cause worldwide mayhem.
America, love it or leave it.
To quote Pink Floyd
Big man, pig man
Ha ha, charade you are
It's time to play my new national anthem by the Exploited:
Look up ___ ___ USA
A very unfortunate day in this nation
Instigate an attack on the US Capitol? You, too, can be President!
Be a convicted felon? You, too, can be President!
Using a nation's military to round up specific groups of people? Sound familiar?
Ugh. Just despicable.
GOP = Gang Of Pigs
Swine.
Wendy O. Williams: a pig is a pig, and that's that
Can't Watch
We'll be avoiding any of the hoopla today on TV. I'll wait for the political pundits to lambaste him on the late night shows. Besides, I spent all day yesterday watching two great football (American) games. Time to play some Dead. Loud.
Cheers
Abraham Lincoln
He is alleged to have said "You can fool some of the people all of the time and all of the people some of the time but you can't fool all of the people all of the time". Jus' sayin'.
I am so embarrassed for this country....
....buckle up friends. This roller-coaster is going to be a rough ride.
Today feels like JGB day.
Judgment at Nuremberg
There is a line in the movie, I think Richard Widmark says it. Every witness before the court claims they weren't a Nazi. Widmark leans into his co-council and says, "to hear them tell it there wasn't a Nazi in Germany"
That's what you'll hear in four years when things go to shit,,,,, "I didn't vote for him".
No one did!
I not saying everyone that voted for his orange-ness was stupid, but all stupid voted for him,,,, along with white supremacist.
We'll see, but I doubt things will be better in 4 years.
Fooling everyone
Simon Rob
‘I’ll let you be in my dream if I can be in yours’. I think Bob Dylan said that.
On a positive note, having a convicted felon as president shows the country is committed to rehabilitation. It would be better if they had showed some contrition but you can’t have everything.
I hope you enjoy your ‘national emergency’ on your southern border.
As BD also said. ‘Don’t follow leaders, watch your parking meters’.
Bezos, Musk and Zuckerberg....
.....seated with the trump family. They even got better seats than cabinet members. Bought and paid for. Dark times.
Did he just say "expand our territory"??
He did...
As the great Stevie Wonder sang
Heaven help us all
Forward
Or, as the grate Bobby Weir sang....
....Heaven Help The Fool.
At least The Kremlin is…
At least The Kremlin is having fun
Or as I posted before but got censored…
MAGA is not about what some think, it’s about a return to a gilded age of robber barons and oligarchs. (Look up Robber Barons, great u tube: Robber Barons to Bezos) Canada and Greenland will make more sense…
So not looking to return to 1940s and 50s but to the late 1800/early 1900s when Crooks were kings! Toss in a little 1930s fascism and yeah, good times! I can hardly wait, this is gonna be greaattt!
Cue up Morning Dew, just in case…
Onward! Through the nuclear fog!
But hey, my groceries are too expensive…
Names.
Once the Gulf of Mexico has been renamed the Gulf of America, presumably the state of New Mexico will also have to be renamed. Also, after Greenland has been invaded and annexed, it will most likely be renamed Orangeland.
It already feels great
Oh wait, that’s only because I just took a giant dump.
The official election results are that Trump got 49.9% of the popular vote.
Didn’t even get 50% of the vote.
I don’t belong to either party and am wishing for a legitimate 3rd party. You’re often told that it’s red or blue, but in fact this country is majority purple. The problem is that the parties that make up the duopoly constantly file lawsuits to block third party candidates from getting on ballots.
Not just earth either
He's going to invade Mars next.
Musk just gave a heil salute....
....at least they have stopped faking it.
well now....
Born and raised in Los Angeles 1950...my parents were born here, my maternal grandparents lived close to Tombstone AZ in the early 1900's...my grandfather (who had Yaqui blood) would say "We didn't cross the border, the border crossed us"...my paternal grand parents were from Chihuahua Mexico and came to the States around 1895...I survived Viet Nam, the Civil Rights Movement and ensuing civil unrest and Nixon & Kissinger...BUT...this is the first time I will feel compelled to have to carry a copy of my birth certificate along with my original Social Security card I was issued in 1967...May you live in interesting times indeed....
The Kremlin...
...and Putin, saw fit to invade Georgia in August 2008 when George W. Bush was president, then Russia invaded and annexed Crimea in February 2014 when Barrack Obama was president (after Obama had promised then Russian president Medvedev that he would have more flexibility after the 2012 elections), and then Russia invaded Ukraine in February 2022 when Joe Biden was president (after Biden stated he might not respond to a "minor incursion"). Russia did not invade any of its neighbors when Trump was president. But yeah, somehow Trump is who Putin wants in office.
Cool Putin story....
....breaking news. By executive order, the US is withdrawing from the World Health Organization.
Awesome 👌. Also out of the Paris Accords.
And to everyone who thought Project2025 "was just a joke bro", yeah. About that.
We're screwed. And I'm white.
Pigs on the wing
Keep your umbrellas of steel up
If pigs could fly...
Bacon would go up. 🐷
Anything goes.
I noticed this morning that he's also given a pardon to those people he encouraged to riot 4 years ago after having falsely claimed to have won that election. Worrying where this approach could go - if you can break the law, encourage others to do the same, and then change the law to legitimise what you and they have done.
He has also said that there will now only be two genders. I know which part of which gender Trump could be described as.