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    This arrived from Andre today and all things being equal should be in the post to Greg over the weekend Happy New Year to everyone and thanks to all involved
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    1 , andre2 , grateful-ted 3 , Greg Macfarlane 4 Seasons greetings all. Christmas day listening: Jimmy Herring - Lifeboat Highly recommended :-)
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    Thanks to the cosmicbadger, I got dancing to some clear and crispy Grateful Dead music and will pass it on to Grateful Ted. andré
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    Coming from Oroboros, this vine was passed on to me by Greg Macfarlane and is ready to move on. So if you want it, play the vine game. andré
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    Salut, Ola, G'day, howdy y'all! I mailed the venerated Eurovine #2 to LIG71 in France yesterday, back to the continent from whence it came. It ended over here in the US, and didn't have any signups for at least two months. Perhaps it can be used to reincarnate a vine in the Old Country? If somebody Stateside signs up we can always reseed. Just letting you know Cheers! MarkintheDark ********************************************* I have a sigfile! --> www.kindveggieburritos.com *********************************************
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    Posted today to André in Germany. The Burro has had a quiet few months and was happy to get on the road again.
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    1 , andre 2 ,grateful-ted 3 4 Listening to the latest Grateful Dead radio thingy.Sweet Scarlet-Fire followed by a fairly boring interview,waiting for the next bit of music.
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    Enter the Matrix Vine Volume 2 EURO version Now that Volume 2s are in fashion here are 5 more lovingly produced soundboard/audience mixes from down the years. SENT AS FLAC FILES ON ONE DVD. Would unpack to 11 CDs. ALSO AVAILABLE AS A US VINE. SEE 'NEW VINES' FORUM Happy midwinter festival to all! GRATEFUL DEAD, LEGION STADIUM, EL MONTE, CA, DECEMBER 28, 1970 SBD + AUD Matrix 2 Source Mix (60%-SBD/40%-AUD) 2 CDs gd1970-12-28.mtx.tobin.87294.sbeok.flac Set 1: Cold Rain And Snow; Truckin'; It Hurts Me Too; Me And My Uncle; Beat It On Down The Line; China Cat Sunflower ->I Know You Rider; Bass Problems; Cryptical Envelopment ->Drums ->The Other One ->Cryptical Envelopment >Sugar Magnolia; Casey Jones Set 2;Smokestack Lightning;- Big Railroad Blues; Me & Bobby McGee; Deep Elem Blues; Cumberland Blues; Morning Dew; Good Lovin' -> Drums ->Good Lovin' ->Uncle John's Band Interesting 1970/71 transition show with an element of experimentation. With a funny Bobby story hidden away in there (no not the Yellow Dog story) GRATEFUL DEAD, CAPITAL CENTRE, LANDOVER, MD, 7-29-74 Sick Bits Vol. 8: Matrix (SBD/AUD mix): 3 CDs gd74-07-29.matrix.SB8.29482.sbeok.flac16 Set I: crowd & tuning; Promised Land; Sugaree; Black Throated Wind; It Must Have Been The Roses;- Cumberland Blues Scarlet Begonias; Jack Straw; Deal; El Paso; To Lay Me Down; crowd & tuning; Weather Report Suite Prelude >Weather Report Suite Part One > Let It Grow Set II: crowd & tuning; He's Gone > Truckin' > Nobody's Fault But Mine > Other One >- Spanish Jam > Wharf Rat > Around & Around; Peggy-O; US Blues; Sugar Magnolia Encore: Casey Jones One of those wonderful rambling laid back 74 shows brought to life by the matrix treatment. For those of you who might be glad to know it (and I know there are some) Seastones between the 2 sets is missing! GRATEFUL DEAD, ORPHEUM THEATER , SAN FRANCISCO, CA. 7-17-76 gd76-07-17.95734.mtx.chappell.sb25..flac16. Sick Bits Vol. 25.Matrix: (SBD + AUD mix) 3 CDs Set 1: The Promised Land; Mississippi Half-Step; Mama Tried; Deal; New Minglewood Blues; Peggy-O; Big River; Sugaree; Johnny B. Goode. Set 2.tuning; Samson & Delilah; Comes a Time>Drumz>The Other One> Eyes of the World>The Other One> GDTRFB> OMSN Encores. Tuning; U.S. Blues;- Not Fade Away I really really like this show, To my ears Jerry in particular is on top form here, singing and playing his heart out. For those of you who might be glad to know (and I know there are some) Donna is absent during the second set! Nice theatre sound too. GRATEFUL DEAD WARFIELD THEATRE,SAN FRANCISCO, CA 10/02/80 ACOUSTIC SET MATRIX Gd1980-10-02.acoustic.mtx.sirmick. xxxxx.sbeok.flac16 1 CD Dark Hollow; Iko Iko; crowd/tuning; The Race Is On; To Lay Me Down; Cassidy; Jack A Roe; On the Road Again; Bird Song>Ripple A rare acoustic matrix from that Warfield run. None of these versions appear on Reckoning. GRATEFUL DEAD, ALPINE VALLEY MUSIC THEATRE, EAST TROY, WI. JULY 18TH, 1989 gd89-07-18.mtx.hansokolow.96231.flac16 2 CDs (if you put the encore on the end of CD1) set 1 Touch Of Grey; Jack Straw; Jack-A-Roe; Minglewood Blues; Friend Of The Devil; Memphis Blues Again; Bird Song> Promised Land. Set 2.Sugar Magnolia> Scarlet Begonias > Man Smart, Woman Smarter> Eyes Of The World> Drums> Space> China Doll> Dear Mr. Fantasy>Hey Jude Finale> Throwing Stones> Sunshine Daydream. E: Quinn The Eskimo A real treat for later Brent era fans. The other two shows in this run have also been matrixed recently. The first is on the 'Downhill from here' DVD. Maybe the last show next time round. First to PM me with their address as usual. 1. 2. 3. 4.
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A very nice compilation, if you’re into compilations :-)As per deadnet vines, add name next on list and contact the person before with address. Details: ~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Source: 99% SBD Thanks to Ed Maier for this compilation: This is an 8 disc set of all Garcia. Mixed with much love using Vegas Pro 3.0. Selections are taken from The Grateful Dead, Reconstruction, Legion of Mary, JGB & Garcia/Grisman. A week straight of late nights went into this mix and a bit of red wine. Many tracks are continuous even though they are from different shows. Thanks to JBL for the inspiration. And above and beyond thanks to Garcia for showing us the way. This is for the people. Enjoy. Disc One 1 Dancin' in the Streets > 2 Franklin's Tower 10.27.79 3 Here Comes Sunshine 2.23.74 4 Sugaree 6.15.76 5 Mystery Train 9.2.74 6 Finders Keepers 1.17.73 Disc Two 1 China Cat > 2 I Know You Rider 2.24.74 3 Bertha 8.6.71 4 Hard to Handle 8.6.71 5 The Thrill is Gone - Honeymoon Tapes '92 6 Sitting in Limbo - Honeymoon Tapes '92 7 Mountains of the Moon 2.27.69 8 Alligator > Jam > 9 GDTRFB > 10 Cold Rain and Snow 4.28.71 Disc Three 1 Bird Song 3.29.90 2 Mission in the Rain 12.3.83 3 Rhapsody in Red 12.3.83 4 Eyes > 6.18.74 5 Big River 6.18.74 6 Aiko Aiko 4.16.78 Disc Four 1 Scarlet > Fire 12.30.78 2 Stella Blue 11.17.73 3 Jam > 4 Last Train > 5 After Midnight Dicks Gifts 6 Comes a Time 6.25.91 7 Mr. Charlie 5.3.72 Disc Five 1 Help > Slip > Franklin's 9.10.91 2 Don't Let Go 3.27.82 3 Terrapin Station 9.3.77 4 Loser 5.26.72 5 Morning Dew 9.18.87 Disc Six 1 St. Stephen > 2 The Eleven 2.27.69 3 Loose Lucy 8.6.74 4 Candyman 2.24.74 5 They Love Each Other 2.21.76 6 Not Fade Away > 7 Wharf Rat 11.6.77 Disc Seven 1 Shakedown 6.30.85 2 Dear Prudence 11.26.88 3 Dark Star > 4 Cumberland 9.27.72 5 Somebody to Love 8.24.91 6 Shining Star 8.24.91 Disc Eight 1 Mississippi Half Step 11.6.77 2 The Wheel 5.7.77 3 Althea 7.19.90 4 Crazy Fingers 6.3.76 5 Foolish Heart 5.7.89 6 That's What Love 6.22.79 7 Dixie Down 12.15.74 8 Ripple 10.11.80 9 We Bid You Goodnight 4.29.71 Compiled by: Ed Maier Uploaded by: Rob Werner ~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Garcia Party Vine: 1. 2. 3. 4.
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Hey Greg,How about a US branch? I sent you a PM. There are some awesome selections on this list, including my all-time favorite Aiko-Aiko - 4-16-78. I would have chosen the China-Rider from 2-22-74 but 2-24 is a close second, IMHO. Peace, Richard
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GOGD6th Jan 78 7th Jan 78 8th Jan 78 18th Jan 78 as a filler 4 shows in shn on one DVD 1.Cosmic Badger 2.Greg Macfarlane 3. Johnoxford 4. andré 5. 6. 7.
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8th April 72 Wembley14th April 72 Copenhagen 17th April 72 Copenhagen 23rd May 72 Lyceum see seperate posts for details 1. TigerLilly 2. Cosmic Badger 3 Amsterhammer 4. andré 5. 6. 7.
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1 DVD. SHN and FLAC Details P8 or 9 I have already received this from Greg and will send it to the next one, who will sign up and send me a PM. Just in case this comment shows up more than once (because I will hit the "Post comment" button for the second time after finishing this paragraph and "Preview commen"t, which ... worked well) well ... Bob and Mary will know why. And maybe it will provoke a friendly comment by Tiger Lilly, too. Who had not posted anything for long. Ich hoffe, es geht dir gut. andré
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I am sure, you will have guessed that I will not leave out this one, right. Get crazy, if you want to. I need to write some PMs now. 1. andré 2. 3. 4. 5.
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Yes, ever so slowly I am getting it. And aside of this, today my burner gave me a good 28. Tomorrow a local Deadhead Eurotrader will visit & we'll git some local tradin' goin', probably in our very own "Rhiney Esperanto". My ears will be wide open, like two huge cabbage leaves. Until the postman will have been here, several times from now on, and all these vines will have assembled at my little place. But will it be better to buy a harddrive or more and mooore blanks & slimcases ? "That's the question." (chief William Schüttelt Bier) And is the answer simple math ? just about bytes and € ?? So far, I have only found software to play shn files on my iMac. Hey now, can somebody help ??? Does anybody know some free software that can play flac files on an iMac ? All this is a groovy thing. So Thanks So Far, to all of you !!! andré
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Thanks for the info, Rick I went to both sites and downloaded at one of them. Then I could see, that it is a decoding/encoding program and does not play flac files. And that's what I am looking for. The other one is described as to take over iTunes. And that is something I am not interested in to have to deal with. But thanks again for tryin' to help. "Peace to you, too "" (roberto benigni :+) andré
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OK friends, we’ve had a taste off acoustic Dead from ’70 and ’80. Here’s a selection of acoustic sets, shows and fragments from down the years, plus a storming electric second set full of surprises from ’81.. All on one Data DVD, FLAC and SHN files which unpack to 6 or 7 CDs depending on how you arrange things. Should be something for everyone here (or everything for someone perhaps) A: GRATEFUL DEAD Acoustic show. November 17 1978 (46m 10s 1 DISC. ) Rambler Room, Loyola University, Chicago Hunger Week Benefit, billed as "Bob Weir and Friends": Weir, Garcia, Hart, Lesh, Hart 01. Whinin' Boy Blues 02. Tom Dooley 03. This Time Forever 04. Deep Elem Blues 05. KC Moan 06. Knockin' On Heaven's Door 07. Big Boy Pete 08. Jack-a-roe 09. Dark Hollow 10. Oh Boy B: GRATEFUL DEAD October 16.1981 (2 DISCS) Melk Weg, Amsterdam, Netherlands Show full of surprises from the legendary Amsterdam club. Bob's 34th birthday. Final Ripple until 9.3.88 [459],only Hully Gully, first Gloria since '65, First Lovelight since 72 Source: SBD:MCASS>CASS>DAT>CDR Disc 1 - Acoustic Set 1. Happy b-day bob 2. On the road again 3. Dire wolf 4. Monkey and engineer 5. Bird song 6. Cassidy 7. Oh babe it ain't no lie 8. Race is on 9. Ripple Disc 2 - electric set 1. Playing in the band> 2. Hully gully> 3. The Wheel> 4. Samson & Delilah 5. Gloria> 6. Lovelight> 7. GDTRFB> 8. Playing in the band > 9. Black Peter> 10. Sugar magnolia C: JERRY GARCIA AND JOHN KAHN October 16, 1985 (2 DISCS) The Catalyst, Santa Cruz, CA Disc 1 - early show – 43m:22s 01 tune up & crowd before first song 02 Deep Elem Blues 03 Friend of The Devil 04 Little Sadie 05 She Belongs To Me 06 Jack-a-roe 07 Babe It Ain't No Lie 08 Reuben & Cherise 09 final thanks & crowd Disc 2 - late show – 38m:44s 01 tune up & crowd before first song 02 When I Paint My Masterpiece 03 I've Been All Around This World 04 Run For The Roses 05 Bird Song 06 Gomorrah 07 Ripple 08 final thanks & crowd D: PHIL AND FRIENDS (GRATEFUL DEAD UNPLUGGED) September 9 1994 (1 DISC) Jerry Garcia, Phil Lesh, Bob Weir, Vince Welnick. First show billed as ‘Phil and Friends’. Berkeley Community Theater, Berkeley, CA. A Benefit for Berkeley Music Program Source: SBD > DAT(s) > CDR via Michael Zelner 01. Tuning & Bob Weir intro 02. Walking Blues 03. Lazy River Road 04. K.C. Moan 05. Dupree's Diamond Blues 06. Childhood's End 07. When I Paint My Masterpiece 08. Attics Of My Life 09. Cassidy > 10. Bird Song > 11. Throwing Stones ACOUSTIC ODDMENTS (E and F fit on one disc or could be appended to various other discs, see timings) E: JERRY GARCIA, BOB WEIR & DUANE ALLMAN. November 20 1970 (33m 53s) WBCN Studios, Boston. Acoustic live FM broadcast remastered One of the collectors: Very poor sound quality but stick with it as it gets good enough to enjoy. 1. advertisement 2. El Paso 3. banter 4. Big River 5. I Know You Rider 6. banter 7. Jam 8. banter 9. Dark Hollow 10.banter 11.Angie 12.Let Me In. F: JERRY GARCA AND BOB WEIR March 2, 1983 (14m 10s) San Francisco Civic Auditorium, SF, CA. Bay Area Music Awards (Bammies) 01. Introduction 02. Wake Up Little Susie> 03. Deep Elem Blues 04. Mexicali Blues 05. Oh Boy!
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1 DATA DVD SHN and FLAC unpacks to 6 or 7 CDs A: GRATEFUL DEAD Acoustic Show November 17 1978 (46m 10s 1 DISC. ) Rambler Room, Loyola University, Chicago B: GRATEFUL DEAD October 16.1981 (2 DISCS, 1 Acoustic, 1 Electric) Melk Weg, Amsterdam, Netherlands C: JERRY GARCIA AND JOHN KAHN October 16, 1985 (2 DISCS) The Catalyst, Santa Cruz, CA D: PHIL AND FRIENDS (GRATEFUL DEAD UNPLUGGED) September 9 1994 (1 DISC) Jerry Garcia, Phil Lesh, Bob Weir, Vince Welnick. First show billed as ‘Phil and Friends’. Berkeley Community Theater, Berkeley, CA E: JERRY GARCIA, BOB WEIR & DUANE ALLMAN. November 20 1970 (33m 53s) WBCN Studios, Boston. Acoustic live FM broadcast remastered F: JERRY GARCA AND BOB WEIR March 2, 1983 (14m 10s) San Francisco Civic Auditorium, SF, CA. Bay Area Music Awards (Bammies) Sign up here 1. 2. 3. 4.
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I'll go for "everything for someone", that'll be me, perhaps :-)Look forward to pass on "something for everyone" Thanks, I'll PM addy. 1. Greg Macfarlane 2. 3. 4.
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USTO EUROVINE E - APRIL/MAY 1977 + 04/16/78 and 02/22/742 DVDs SHN/FLAC DETAILS P8 or 9 Is this still on the go? Particularly interested in 'Richards Pick's' - a disc of some of Richard’s favourite shows. (Thanks Richard from Texas for sending a sizeable package, of which this is part, across the pond) 1 sunshine-Daydream 2 TigerLilly 3 Greg Macfarlane 4
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Dear Mr. Macfarlane, On page 20 of this topic (in the third of my five comments) I signed in on Eurovine E. But because of the sheer mass of comments of mine you might have overlooked it. And I don't mind, if you wil get them first. So the list for this vine is as posted in my next one. andré What about TigerLilly ? I hope she is alright, have sent her a PM three days ago and no reply yet.
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El burro se pierde en las colinas entre Las Alpujarras y Sevilla.Él debe pensar Él Lleva la ‘Road Trips’ CD. Imagino que la vid está cerrado. I think the above might say 'the donkey is lost so I imagine the vine is now closed'. Greg.
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it might not be i think i might not have sent it, because |Rene was having problems. the dates seem familiar. I put all i had from that vine in a package to Andre Let's see what arrives in Germany Bob Ps your Spanish is better than mine - - - - - - - - - - - - - - http://spanishsunshinedaydream.blogspot.com/ http://www.facebook.com/photos.php?id=633338979 Spanish Jam
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Die verlorenen Vine Vielleicht wird es in Deutschland mit André PS It's not my Spanish/ German. That came from googling. Too much time on my hands today. Greg
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I can reseed this vine if needed. Not a problem, just let me know.I believe it included these shows: May 1977 : (May 5,7,8,9 1977 (1 DVD)) Richards Picks. (2-22-74; 4-23-77;5-25-77;4-16-78 (1 DVD)) Peace, Richard
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Great schtuff, dood compilation ! For details please see page 21, Greg's post from January 27, 2008 - 6:40am In case you're interested, sign in and send me a PM with your mailing address. 1. andré 2. 3. 4. 5.
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see what happens, when I do not preview my comment. dood - good andré
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I have already downloaded the show. (btw: nice typo. that third "t", right in the middle, gives perfect balance :+) andré
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has arrived todayand is ready to lift off. For details see page 22. Thanks again, Greg. andré 1. Greg Macfarlane 2. obviously andré 3. 4. 5.
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Eurovines A, C, D and E arrived today. Thanks a lot, Bob !!! And well, the DVDs are ready to leave. Content is as follows : Eurovine A 1 DVD Grateful Dead + New Riders Of The Purple Sage gd-nrps.1970-11-08 gd1970-05-15 Eurovine C – Winterland 1973 1 DVD gd73-11-09 gd73-11-10 gd73-11-11 gd73-12-08 Eurovine D – Winterland 1974 2 DVDs gd74-10-16 gd74-10-17 gd74-10-18 gd74-10-18 gd74-10-19 gd74-10-20 Eurovine E 1 DVD gd1977-05-05 gd1977-05-07 gd1977-05-08 gd1977-05-09 This one is supposed to go out to Greg, but I don't have his mailing address. Can someone please send it to me via PM. ( He seems to be away from his pc, has not replied to two emails I sent, regarding other things, several days ago. ) Thanks, andré
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He is the one, Cosmicbadger sent Eurvine #1 to, on Dec. 21st, 2007. After I signed in, I sent a PM with my mailing address to Amsterhammer on Jan. 28th. And because I have neither gotten a reply nor the DVD, I am wondering. who knows ... something ? andré
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He was out in the Scottish Highlands. Eurovine E will leave my happy home tomorrow. After those 300 slim cases have been delivered, I definitely need to get back my kitchen table :+))) andré
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Here’s a newbie’s suggestion regarding this topic/forum. As a consequence of my vining experiences so far. Most of all because of my endless scrolling and clicking to find „things“ (but this seems to be not only my problem). The idea behind my proposal is to make things more easy, less time consuming and non confusing for everybody. So I not only invite you to read, but then and first of all to speak your mind, discuss, make suggestions to modify/improve my proposal. Not only, because you all are into his, way longer than I am. But because more dead heads are better than one. And in case you want to share a few jokes about Germans+Organizing, after you have read this post, please feel free to do so. I like good jokes. And working prejudices, too. - - - - - What about two new topics ? 1. The Eurovines – About Vining & The Vines In The Old World This should start with basic information about vining. For example with a copy of Oroboros modified copy of Robert Hunter’s vining instructions. Maybe a few more things, also. Followed by the posts with the vines themselves. Name, content and the usual list to copy and sign in. 2. The Eurovines – Talk & Stuff which is for everything else. Including proposals for and talk about new vines. - - - - - In case you think this is a good idea, please step up and make suggestions to make this „next version“ as simple and clear as possible. For both newbies and people with another native tongue than (US) English. So we can come up with something real clear, simple, easy to handle and then introduce it to izzie, the mod in charge, and get into something else than „beta“ (no insult intended). And I Bid You Good Night → Have A Nice Day (sunshine & daydream) encore: ............. (your very choice) andré
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wearing a paper bag with "Derek & Dominos" written on it, is also here and ready to go. Eurovine F 1 DVD Grateful Dead gd74-02-22 gd77-05-25 gd1977-04-23 gd1978-04-16 andré
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Couldn't access the site for months. I'm in touch with Andre and Eurovine 1 is alive, well, and on its way to him!
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The Hunter who hangs out in these parts and launched the vining topic is not the same person as Robert Hunter. Excellent people, both of them, but not the same person. And now back to vining...
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1 DVD - Grateful Dead gd74-02-22 gd77-05-25 gd1977-04-23 gd1978-04-16 Aha... André, this is the one I've been after. It had appeared in an earlier post as Eurovine E (disc 2) it's the one referred to as "Richard's Picks". 1. Greg Macfarlane 2. 3.
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Greg, I will send this F I have to you tomorrow. andré
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Mary, thanks for clearing up the Hunters. And I like the new design of the comments. Will go surfing now and see what else has changed. Also good that the site seems to have recovered from being way beta for quite a few days (knocking on wood several times). And to all the viners here : What about my idea (see previous page) to make things a bit easier ? andré
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Thanks André, I look forward to F. "E" arrived today and is now ready to move on :-) Thanks again, I'll offer up something new soon, probably the Stella Blue project. Eurovine E is 1 DVD contains the following: gd1977-05-05 gd1977-05-07 gd1977-05-08 gd1977-05-09 "E" it is ready to go. Sign up below:
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A mule train will depart from France on Monday with the following Dead.Net Vines on their way to Andre >EUROVINE#2 (reseed): 4 shows from Jan 78 >EUROVINE#3: 4 shows from Sept 73 >EUROVINE#4: 8 shows from 68 >EUROVINE#5: 4 shows from 89 >EUROVINE#6. 12/29/69; 12/30/69;12/06/71;12/31/83 >USTO EUROVINE: Summer 82 >AUTUMN72VINE PART 1:Rearranged on 4 Discs as follows Disc 1: Sept 3,9,10,16 Disc 2: Sept 17,19,24 Disc 3 Sept 26, 28, 30 (Filler 1978/04/11) Disc 4 Sept 15(aud), 15 (partial SBD), 23. Filler Aug 24 and 27 1972 (plus 1970 Vine requested from Eurotraders and to be reoffered thru the ET site) I am now no longer custodian of any vines! good luck Andre!
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Thanks to Cosmicbadger and everybody involved ! "Busy" ain't the problem, Bob, as I am unemployed and I always enjoy being busy with good things. But well, that's another 100+ blanks. And both, my dictionary and my wallet, tell me, that I will be "fasting" soon. Except one of them poor burros will fall dead when arriving ... I do like Salami. Anyway thanks to karma, I will get what I deserve. And probably mix up the whip cracking with jingle bells gladly ;+)) andré