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    Here and there in the forums people are expressing their enthusiasm for particular candidates in the upcoming U.S. elections, while others are saying Enough Already, We Don't Want To Hear About It. So, this is the right place to discuss your favorites (or non-favorites) and other matters relevant to the campaign. If you're not into it, skip this topic! And as for all you non-U.S. residents, if you want a similar topic for what's going on in your part of the world, speak up and I'll start it. Thanks!

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  • jerry_garcia71
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    I'm sorry that I got you in such a tizzy! First I spoke about music and the Family being my passion but you must have misunderstood that. I have been enjoying this website for ten years as jerry_garcia71 but when I speak up to people that I care about how I feel, I am somehow deemed unworthy and under attack. It is terribly sad that you have no hope that nothing will ever change and you have no affect on the world. Let me share a little nugget with you about a Deadhead I met at RFK Stadium one summer at a show: He had hope, he thought that he could help the world. He was optimistic and wasn't ready to surrender. He was elected Vice President of the United States for 8 years and later won the popular vote to be our President. He has recently won the Nobel Peace Prize because he is currently engaging world environmental policy and trying to save the health of our planet. Yes, Al Gore is driving that train that you GRTUD are content to be a passenger on.
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    If I had to vote right now, he would be my MAN. I'm not quite ready for a female president, sorry ladies. I don't feel that foreign leaders would respect a female president. I'm done with the whole republican leadership. TIME FOR A CHANGE!!!
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    ...Political Teen Spirit?
    There is an absolute difference between saying for whom someone would vote, in an election and an endorsement. Needless to say, when one hitches their wagon to a political pony, for whatever reason, that line is no longer blurred. In this instance, jerry_garcia71 seems to be here for the sole purpose of political advertisement. Furthermore, I feel the wording of the two posts I've read, by this person, insinuates by saying, "the Dead community..." that you speak for me, which you do not. Equally grating is the notion that you speak on behalf of Mr. Obama ("our support might earn us a wink and nod in the future!"). Comments such as these, won't earn any endearment from me. If you were to speak about music, ANY MUSIC, I'd at least feel some endearment to you regardless of political affiliation, which I do not. This fact, in no way makes me happy. If you really believe in your candidate as a person that will commit to changing the social stagnation, in this country, brought on by decades of partisan pissing contests and an "all you can take" buffet mentality by the duelopoly system of political sharing when it comes to tax money, why not come here and ask about the things that we care about, instead of grandstanding? I've seen my share of political climates in this country come and go, but what I haven't seen is a politician that will really listen to the working class. Tom Wolfe said he was never interested in covering American politics because no matter who gets elected, "The American political system is like a train - it stays on the same tracks, no matter who's driving." In other words, the real issues are never allowed to be talked about, in an open forum. That notion isn't complicity btw, it's reality and one needn't be an elected official to help start change along those lines, unless they haven't any other "day job". Eventually, no matter who wins an election, any election, reality will replace fantasy and then... "There's just the payment left and broken dreams."
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    They all say what they think you want to hear! Bob - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Spanish Jam
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    You made me smile at 7:30 this morning, while still groggy (am up because my son has a soccer tournament today). Has been a while since had a chuckle from reading one of your posts. Thanx!!!!!!!! ********************************** Don't part with your illusions. When they are gone, you will still exist, but you have ceased to live. Samuel Clemens
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    A few years ago I was sitting with my son in a diner having breakfast somewhere in N California. A dude from another table comes over. He is middle aged, pencil thin, black jeans, white shirt, bootlace tie 'Say you folks ain't from round here, what kind of accent is that?' 'We're from England' Pause 'You got socialists over there doncha?' 'Yep' 'You one of them?' 'I suppose I am' 'Huh. Well you folks take care now' ' Dude walks back to his table and just sits and stares continually and evilly at us. We pay the bill, run for the car and drive for the next 100 miles checking the mirrors regularly!
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    Living right across the Big River from that political hotbed of Iowa, I have already been bombarded with more TV ads and news in the local papers than I can shake a 'hanging chad' at. Wake me when it's over......On the other hand, I'm a regular dude. I work an avg of 65 hrs a week and I kick ass at a job that I enjoy more than I dread. My hard work this year made me more than I needed to make, but I am by NO means a rich guy. I'm not sure which candidate speaks to me. The righties are too preoccupied with religion for me to take seriously most of the time while the lefties want to create a system of wealth redistribution that punishes hard work and smells of socialism. This two party system leaves little room for choice. I'm into personal responsibility, good decision making and enjoying life, I'm not sure which party is for me. The funny thing is, if JFK were running for president in '08, he would probably be a republican. His job is to shed light, not to master...
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    I am very pleased with last night’s results. I look forward to a time when I can not only stand to sit through a presidential speech, but I look forward to hearing some intellectually inspiring rhetoric. Now that I have had time to analyze what each candidate has to give, I feel kind of relieved. Hillary - Although I like Hillary overall, I have not been able to get past her abysmal voting record over the last couple of years. I am happy that if the nomination follows suit, the Republican witch hunt will be headed off before it begins. I still feel like her experience as first lady is invaluable. Her experience with healthcare reform was doomed to failure due to the short time line and unsupportive Republican Congress at the time. She has a ton of international diplomatic experience. Besides I get the warm and fuzzys when I think about Bill being back in the White House. Edwards – I like Edwards. He is the only candidate who has focused on the poor. As much as the media painted it the other way, I feel like he did an excellent job in the debates with Cheney in ’04. Obama – I have loved Obama since his speech at the Democratic Convention. He is definitely the face of change. He is black with a very young family. He is not corrupted by decades in politics. I am very curious who he would choose as his running mate should he win. Hillary is from a Blue state (No gain in votes), Edwards would be good but I don’t know if he would go second fiddle this time around, but my choice would be either Richardson or Biden or possibly a third party person like Bloomberg or McCain if he switched over (although he will probably die of old age soon) On a more serious note, a coleague at work wrote: " I was too young to vote for Jack Kennedy, but was for Bobby and was devastated when he was assassinated. When I heard Obama at the Democratic Convention, and have listened to him since then, I knew he was the right candidate at the right time. I’m pleased." This lead me to the following thoughts: "Knock on wood, Obama is inspirational enough to meet the same fate as Bobby, John and MLK. I hope I am wrong about that. Thankfully, I think we are in a different time now, although Bush and his cronies have tried their best to recreate the same tumultuous direction for our society. (I can’t help having an ominous feeling in my gut when I think of all the correlations – Vietnam – Iraq, Bush Crimes – Nixon Crimes, Assaults on our civil liberties, The speaking styles of MLK and Obama, the controlling of dissenting voices at the conventions [Free speech zones vs Miami Riots] The expiration of the assault weapons ban , etc, etc) I truly feel like the main reason there has not been civil disobedience this time around is the technology of today. People are able to express themselves and connect with other equally frustrated people enough through the internet that it is hard to let it bubble over in large gatherings where that is the only way to let your voice be heard. Anyway, I feel like our country has been in a state of Post Traumatic Stress Syndrome with the war, 9/11 and the last two presidential elections. That is part of the reason I get so outspoken some times. I want to get it all out there now so I can get beyond it in November." Peace
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    Keep at it jerry_garcia71
    Keep that spirit of positive change alive, don't let the complacent folks get to you. However I take issue with two things that you wrote. "we allowed the Bush Administration to slide into power" and "Nobody showed up to vote in 2004". Please no absolutes. I did not empower or allow the Bush Administration, I fought it and still do and I voted in 2004 just as I have every other year since I was 18. Peace. The future will be much brighter when these puppets of the the multinational corporations have been shown the back door to exit. If the doors of perception were cleansed, everything would appear to man as it is, infinite. William Blake
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    I appreciate the efforts of Marye at Dead.net to make a little room here for politics. As I was saying earlier, to me the Grateful Dead culture that I have loved being a part of for many years has historically been interested in politics and the environment. The music and the Family is my passion; but being politically active is protection of my freedom of expression. Freedom ain't free. I love to be carefree but folks we have to always keep one eye on The Man! I hear alot of negativity from Heads that choose to be complacent politically because "all politicians are crooked and nothings going to change anyway". But I feel complacency has made the world a worse place because we allowed the Bush Administration to slide into power. As Deadheads we were given a gift to make the world a better place. We spread joy. None of the candidates for president this year are perfect; but we must pick the lesser of two evils. Nobody showed up to vote in 2004 and the world is a much sadder place because of that. Turn on your love light this year and just vote for who you feel is best. Right now I feel Barack Obama is our best choice to make the world a better place. I often think about how I can help make the world a better place. I'm not pretending to know all the answers but I'm just doing my best. Last year I started an internet group "Deadheads for Obama" located at: DeadheadsForObama@groups.barackobama.com I'm trying to show Barack that the Dead Community is interested in peace, logic, and compassion like he is. Who knows, our support might earn us a wink and nod in the future! Thanks again and may you have a safe and happy new year.
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Here and there in the forums people are expressing their enthusiasm for particular candidates in the upcoming U.S. elections, while others are saying Enough Already, We Don't Want To Hear About It. So, this is the right place to discuss your favorites (or non-favorites) and other matters relevant to the campaign. If you're not into it, skip this topic! And as for all you non-U.S. residents, if you want a similar topic for what's going on in your part of the world, speak up and I'll start it. Thanks!
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particularly cracks me up in this context because, its many fine qualities aside, we read the darn thing sophomore year in Catholic high school in 1962. Say what you will about Catholic school, particularly in that era--lord knows I do--but they generally encouraged you to read, say, Huckleberry Finn. I guess they never even got The Three Musketeers in Wasilla, or it would have been on the list too. Apparently they had Lysistrata (good for them!) but not the Metamorphoses? Weird. Maybe we should send them some books.
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The Deadheads for Wasilla Book Drive! Bet we could collect multiple copies of most of those books. I'm in!
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Not. It's out of print again and going for a "low" price on Amazon of $125.
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marye said :>the prophet Jeremiah. The prophet Elijah. And a whole lot of other revered >Old Testament types : interestinger and interestinger. for those not familiar with jeremiah: Jer17:7 Blessed is the man that trusteth in the Lord, and whose hope the Lord is. Jer17:8 For he shall be as a tree planted by the waters, and that spreadeth out her roots by the river, and shall not see when heat cometh, but her leaf shall be green; and shall not be careful in the year of drought, neither shall cease from yielding fruit. Jer17:10 I the Lord search the heart, I try the reins, even to give every man according to his ways, and according to the fruit of his doings. Jer17:12 A glorious high throne from the beginning is the place of our sanctuary. any typos are mine. old jer, new jer, whatevah, i like it. f.i. -listen to the river sing sweet songs to rock my soul- r.hunter
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Out of print? But you can have it for the low price of? Sounds like more subliminal control, and there's nothing more controling than subliminal control. Kinda like monitoring you behind the scenes, rather than the "your bags will be checked at the door, you must have a ticket to enter". Used to feel that when you got in, you were free ( unless you infringed on someones freedom). Thats the bgp thing that was very cool.
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it goes into the collector market and all bets are off. Unfortunately.
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Do you mean this? If so it is still there on Amazon, maybe you are looking at the hardcoverGarcia: A Signpost To New Space by Jerry Garcia, Charles Reich, and Jann Wenner (Paperback - Jul 29, 2003) Buy new: $16.00 $10.8832 Used & new from $6.94 If the doors of perception were cleansed, everything would appear to man as it is, infinite. William Blake
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that actually didn't come up when I searched. That's really good news, as, with all due respect to my book-writing friends, if you have to have one book on the desert island, that's the one. I lucked into a hardback copy in a used bookstore for really cheap when I was a new Deadhead in 1981, and have never found another. I've periodically found paperbacks and usually given them away again, though I have one now. thank you!
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I have to applogize. A buddy that I sent that list to said that the list is an 'urban legend' on Sarah Palin. While she did request info on how to ban books at the library, and she did get into a power struggle with the librarian, he contends that this list of books that she proposed banning is not accurate. So mea culpa with that list and I will try to be more skeptical before I pass on info from the internet.
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Never heard of this, got to get a copy. Sounds like a must have.Thanks marye and HalR.
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I haven't heard of this book "Sign Post..." but it's going on my Christmas List along with the Egypt package. Thanks everyone! "The need for mystery is greater than the need for an answer." - Ken Kesey
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thanks for the correction. I'm kinda glad; not that I'm planning to vote for her, but that really was over the top. Thanks for checking the facts.
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is a real stunner. It was out of print for eons. I was just talking about it to the Store folks because it's not there at the moment and they're all Whoa! we gotta get this in stock. So stay tuned on that front, but get it from Amazon if you just can't wait! Single paragraphs used to keep me up all night with an exploding brain. And then there's the photos by Annie Leibovitz. One in particular of Jer and MG and Sunshine and baby Annabelle, who has her daddy's eyes bigtime.
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from the Workingman's/Beauty period, and is a bit replete with hippie-isms of the time. But, persevere. One of the things that's great about Reich as an interviewer in this context is that unlike so many interviewers, he's not afraid to look like a dork and be out of his depth, and as a result he elicits some amazing stuff. After all, how many book-length Jer interviews are there...
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We are all very fortunate to live in her era. Don't judge who she takes photos of or who she takes photos for, she is a unique, insightful, and very induvidualistist person with a gift that will live on throughout the centuries. She is an artist whom I respect for her no boundries aproach. Takes on many different subjects and makes you see something in them you would never expect, and alway's deeper and more meaningful than any way you have seen that subject before. The purist definition of what a photography artist should do. Thank you Annie. You have shaped our world. peace,pk
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Well with that urban legend about Sarah Palin you were the dragon that got caught swallowing his own tale. If the doors of perception were cleansed, everything would appear to man as it is, infinite. William Blake
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brilliant! Agree re Annie L., PK.
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what about the cartoon with the head up it's a__.........about the same as the dragon, I'd say.....xoxoxo Gypsy Cowgirl
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I'm just hoping we make it to election and inauguration day. Don't like what I'm seeing. Peace!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Good ol GD Oro, thanks to for the update. After reading that I was wowwed. This can't be true. I read how to eat fried worms in like 8th grade Lit or something. Some of the others seemed to me to just be not believable. Anyway whatever. For all though complancency let 9-11 happen, and freedom is not free, believe me I have first hand experience on this one. I've had music never stopped playing in my head all day. Maybe I should re-arrange to the madness never stops. I think there is way to much drama in this election. Maybe the only reason I'm writing this or having any input is cause of it's deadland relation, which for some reason is just my favorite place to be. I kinda think that of course musicians are quite influential. Rock n Roll should be nuetral. Obama seems more of a celebrity than a presidential candidate. Hmm is there a difference. Both have something benificial to bring to the table. Though it may directly affect my well being. I'll still be here and should get an all expense paid trip to asscrackistan within the next year. I just glad the boys and bros are playing. I came across a child of god he was walking along the road and asked him where are you going? this he told me.
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Good ol GDStand back, stand back Stand back, stand back Stand back, stand back Stand back, stand back Doot do do do do doot doot Living in the u.s.a. Doot do do do do doot doot Living in the u.s.a. Where are you goin’ to What are you gonna do Do you think that it will be easy Do you think that it will be pleasin’, hey Stand back, what’d you say Stand back, I won’t pay Stand back, I’d rather play Stand back It’s my freedom Ah, don’t worry ’bout me, babe I got to be free, babe Hey Doot do do do do doot doot Living in the u.s.a. Doot do do do do doot doot Living in the u.s.a. Stand back, dietician Stand back, television Stand back, politician Stand back, mortician Oh, we got to get away Living in the u.s.a. Come on baby, owwww I see a yellow man, a brown man A white man, a red man Lookin’ for uncle sam To give you a helpin’ hand But everybody’s kickin’ sand Even politicians We’re living in a plastic land Somebody give me a hand, yeah Oh, we’re gonna make it, baby Oh, we’re going to shake it, baby Oh, don’t break it Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah Come on baby, hey Hey, hey In the u.s.a., babe yeah Doot do do do do doot doot Living in the u.s.a. Don’t worry ’bout me, babe Doot do do do do doot doot Living in the u.s.a. Living in the u.s.a. Doot do do do do doot doot Living in the u.s.a. I got to be free Doot do do do do doot doot Living in the u.s.a. Come on try it, you can buy it, you can leave it next week, yeah Somebody give me a cheeseburger
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The good old Steve Miller, back in the day.
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I saw Steve Miller Band a couple of times in the 70'sDoot do do do do doot doot.....ahh the memories with my high school friends :) such fun!
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I am just so tired of the rah rah rah coming from both sides in this and every campaign in recent memory. We act like we are at a football game and our team must win at all costs. Any serious discussion of the issues leads to the sad conclusion that we have two lousy candidates for the most important job in the world. McCain might have been the right guy 8 years ago but now?? And Palin???? Beyond scary. Obama - his hypocrisy regarding the state of the economy and what brought us here is close to criminal and his naivete regarding foreign affairs is just as scary as Palin. Heaven Help the Fool - because it's going to be us. ------------------ Once in awhile you can get shown the light in the strangest of places if you look at it right....
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indeed this is the scariest election in all my years! I'm not sure if I even want to vote this year. I will probably write someone in! Like my husband..... Ken Asroff for president!
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Good ol GD Too bad Zappa is gone remember the ol Zappa for pres time. Hey how about Tommy Chong. This would be a good choice. Being an actor is a prerequisite for a political career isn't it. Thats my choice Tommy Chong for pres. How bout Felix the cat for VP. Wavy Gravy for speaker of the house. David Crosby Sec of Def. and a bunch of us as the secs for everything else. We all love to travel, meet knew people, enjoy a wide variety of experiences and conciousness the perfect ambassadors. DEAD FREAKS UNITE. Deadheads for Deadheads it's a win win situation Weir in like flynn for 2012. Who's with me?
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I saw most of the debate, and I thought that other guy wasn't so bad. what other guy, cc???!!! you mean Obama or McCane?? nah, that other dude, he seemed to be the smartest; man's name is Jim Leher. ( -; as an aside note: Jim Leher as written some really cool FICTION. I especially dug, “The Franklin Affair” always cool to read a book when you know the city setting, in this case lots of local Philadelphia places... http://www.pbs.org/newshour/aboutus/bio_lehrer.html peace.
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I think this year I was so down in the dumps in terms of presidential candidates. You had Barack Obama, who must be the worst person we could possibly elect as president. The man hasn't a clue. He is nothing but a wind-sock, and a hand wringer. His favorite thing to change is his mind. And when he picked Mr. "Everythin-that-is-wrong-with-Washigton" Biden, I just said, get me out of here. Then we have McCain who is a sort of ornery, and aggravating at times, even though he will probably be the best in terms of reform and change. But that wash't enough for me. I was to the point of having to vote for Ron Paul, when McCain picked Sarah Palin. That's when I said, YES ... maybe McCain will win, and get ill, then she can take over. That would be good. So I'm voting for Mc-Palin this time around. And you can be sure that I will NOT ATTEND any Bobby/Phil reunion if the proceeds are going to OBama. I wouldn't give that guy a red cent. Greg SC
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Having witnessed Republican bullshit since 1972, I'd say enough is enough. Sarah Palin has no qualification to become Vice President of the United States: McCain is just another rubber stamp for Dubya's failed policies and wars. If you look back at history, you'd think folks would've learned from Nixon's attempted cover-up of an illegal break-in, Spiro Agnew's criminal activities, James Rhodes order to shoot at unarmed students in Kent, Ohio, Tom DeLay's Texas corruption, Larry Craig's airport antics, Alaskan Ted Steven's accepting gratuities, and the list goes on and on. So don't even try to rationalize even more Republican crap, because we're not going to take it. Barack Obama may not be perfect: who is? He has a progressive vision, can articulate intelligently, has been married once, to a wonderful wife and is a devoted father. What can you say about the family affairs of the other candidates? I rest my case.
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I am absolutely terrified by McCain and Palin. Sarah Palin is a piece of work man. We don't need her anywhere near the presidency. McCain too!
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No need to sear Gr8fulTed. This whole banking failure is due to the Democrats roadblocking any regulation of Fanny Mae, Freddie Mac for the last 6 years. Barney Frank, Chris Dodd, Charles Shumer, and the whole bunch of Democratic zeros have cost me tons of money in my 401K. Barack Obama is tied to ACORN, a Chicago Politics organiztion that has pled guilty numerous time to voter Fraud. If that is the kind of politics you want, then you vote for the man. Even his chief financial advisor is the CEO of Fanny Mae. Give me a break! He is a zero, his campaign is zero, and he will do zero. If that is the kind of politics you want, then you vote for the man. But I will not ever vote for any such person. Sarah Palin easily qualifies for the job of VP. She will hopefully be let out of her cage Thursday night at the debate. Greg SC
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I wouldn't let your Republican buddies off the hook so easily for the current finacial mess. There may be a Democratic majority, but not much of one. It's hard to embrace confidence in any of them, regardless of affiliation. I'll vote for change, not more of the same.
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Gr8ful Ted!!! Absolutely agree with your first statement. And can you please explain exactly how you believe that "Sarah Palin easily qualifies for the job of VP" GregSC? am curious. ********************************** Don't part with your illusions. When they are gone, you will still exist, but you have ceased to live. Samuel Clemens
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Good day Tiger Lilly: Are you across the pond? What do you think of us knuckleheads haggling about politics? We need a strong 3rd party to stir the pot. ..." one man gone and another to go, my old buddy you're moving way too slow..."
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Gr8ful Ted Why are no Democrats asking for an investigation? The reason is that it is their mess. Go back and watch the CSPAN tapes. Barney Frank, Charles Shumer, and the whole lot of the Dems singlehandedly defeated any oversight legislation on Fanny and Freddie. They have cost me dearly on my 401K. These people are shameless; they are guilty of destroying the economy, and you guys are going to vote for more of it. This has been going on since 2003 with the Dems. They have destroyed my portfolio, and must be launched in November. Sarah Palin is qualified for VP, as she has more executive experience than B.O., and is a Washington outsider. All insiders must go. Greg SC
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I AM across the pond, and I AM registered to vote to do my civic duty. Can't bitch if I don't vote-or that is my philosophy anyhow. But very interesting question Ted, about what I think from over here, because moving to Europe way back when, and becoming part of life here;has certainly caused me to see American politics, and also discussion about politics-with a completely different perspective.********************************** Don't part with your illusions. When they are gone, you will still exist, but you have ceased to live. Samuel Clemens
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but if you don't vote for Dems your vote won't mean shit.
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http://www.motherjones.com/news/feature/2008/07/foreclosure-phil.html Wonder where Phill Gramm is now? After hearing that dismal tune, check-out the Keating 5. Maybe our incumbents can figure out something good to repair the finances we're all in. If you have any cash positions, it's probably a good time to pick up some cheap stocks ..." one man gone and another to go, my old buddy you're moving way too slow..."
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Good ol GD Can relate to your perspective, I lived in Italy for 10 years. Their's are quite diff. Yes and can't bitch if you don't vote I lived that way most of my life, but actually don't care much about politics. I honestly haven't noticed much difference between presidents DEM or REP and anything changed. Oh yea the Berlin wall deal that was cool, go go awsome hair guy. Or since 2003 I have spent 30+ months in the mid east. But I don't point fingers at the white house for that. The length is getting a little tiresome. Could just sum up the whole thing as one big shit sammich which we all get to take a bite. Though must say some things are better in Iraq than they were last year and the one before and the one before that and so on. So again I say doesn't matter whose in the whitehouse we will stiil be at war for some time to come. and the kids they dance and shake them bones.
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Happy Trails I tend to think that this election is sort of a waste. It really doesn't matter who you vote for, as they are all a bunch of people to WATCH OUT FOR. Just check out their personal wealth when they take office, then look at their personal wealth three years later. It usually shoots up from about 100k to several million. Where does the money come from? Certainly not their salaries. These people are all snakes in the grass who take whatever money the taxpayers give them, then spend at least ten percent more. Then they tell you that you need to up the ante because you are not paying your fair share. Give me a break. They steal from you, then destroy the banks so we lose most of what we have in the stock market, then the very same yo yo's who got us into this mess, say they can fix it with more of our money. Whenever I see Barack Obama, Barney Frank, or Chris Dodd, talk about how they are going to fix this thing, I envision Cardinal Law in Boston saying, Hey, I can fix the pedophile problem in my diocese. These politicians are no different. That is why when it comes to the remaining Dead members doing a fundraiser for that zero Obama, it makes me quake in my boots. I guess Phil, Bobby, and all write excellent music, but are not the sharpest tacks in the box when it comes to politics. Maybe they should try living in common folk USA. I think they have been corrupted by the Hollywood know nothings. Greg SC
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I never have before but think I will this time. Now that everything is broken and spiraling out of control, they can go ahaed and fix it. He's gonna get the courts to award it to him again anyway on some technicality or if theres WMD ....no just kidding. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "Walk into splintered sunlight Inch your way through dead dreams to another land" Robert Hunter ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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right there with ya buddy, there used to be a Christian community in Iraq, ever since the apostle Peter wrote his epistle there, but now it's gone. Let's all ride this thing out together and show em' how to love! ht
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Yes, I've followed that one, as well. I believe they are Chaldean Catholics, who have been driven from their homeland --which was their homeland long before the Mohammedans took it -- and are now scattered all over the world because of the Muslims. I despise this war, and have despised it from the beginning. The Islamists in Iraq actually needed a guy like Sadaam Husein to keep them in order. They do not know what to do with freedom. The only religion that has its own self regulating principles for a peaceful world, is Christianity, and more specific, Catholicism, throughout history. The only reason many States adopted Christianity as a state religion was because when it was followed, peace was the way of the land. These Muslims are diametrically the opposite. May God bless the Chaldeans, but at this point, if we just pull out and leave, like Obama wants, then we leave Iraq a sewer hole with no hope at all. Hey, when you break a window, you need to fix it; when you rip a country apart by war, you'd better not leave til you fix it. Greg SC
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Would be very very careful Greg SC. That comment "these Muslims" not being peaceful is not only dangerous, but wrong. Just gotta look back in history, Guy.********************************** Don't part with your illusions. When they are gone, you will still exist, but you have ceased to live. Samuel Clemens
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Good ol GD Iraq still has some christian communities mostly in the north, the city of Kirkuk is diverse with muslim, catholic. Hussien ruled by fear, murder, expolitation. The country is in much better condition than it was in march 2003. Though things are better for the people I personaly believe they will trash everything once we completly pull out. Maliki delays his own responsibilty for Iraq everyday. the Iraqi people kill each other on a daily basis through murder, bombings and random shootings. Their police and Iraq army are daily car bomb targets here in Mosul. The people just don't seem to really give a shit about prosperity, progress or peace. they will steal you blind in a heartbeat share tea with you in the day and rocket you at night. none are to be trusted. The american soldier puts his life on the line here everyday and the people we are here to train and help don't care. Even if Oblablama get elected we would still not be able to completly leave Iraq for quite sometime and we are being diverted to build up in asscrackistan which has no real end in sight as well. As of today 4,176 Americans killed in Iraq. I really would like to see a positive lost lasting outcome for Iraq so that freedom rings and that so many brothers have not died for nothing. War sucks but is an invitable part of reality.
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when Christianity is adopted or forced as a way of life on a people as a state religion.? Like the crusades? Like when if you don't believe in our way and follow the old ways of being in tune with the flow of the earth we will call you pagans or if you are an independent woman and/or a midwife or an herbalist you are a witch and we burn you at the stake. Christianity has an incredibly bloody history, especially of forcing itself on others. I am not saying other religions don't too and I know many amazing Christians who are very kind and loving people. But don't deny the blood we all wade in as a result of the one true belief as many interpret as Christianity. If the doors of perception were cleansed, everything would appear to man as it is, infinite. William Blake
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Some folks trust in reason.Others trust in might. I don't trust in nothin' But I know it come out right. Gone are the days we stopped to decide........where we should go......we just ride.
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Hal R Actually, if enough people say the same thing, eventually everyone believes it. We live in different times. The Crusades started out as a valiant effort to win back the holy Land for Christ, but the travel was long, and many died along the way. The people who usually made it were the strong ones, all brawn, and no brain. But that was a time of knights, honor, and glory. Of course in our day it is easy to look back and see it all as crazy. But to look at history, Islam was spread by the sword. And it has had a continual history of terror and killing. Even in our day, the governments of France and England tried to be nice, and invite them into their countries in great numbers. Today they wish they didn't. These people are uncontrollable, and are demanding Sharia law as the standard rule in these countries. If they don't get their way, they terrorize at night, burning cars and buses, setting aflame whole buildings. Now even the archbishop of Canterbury is calling for Sharia law, to calm the place down. It is like inviting a bear cub into your house when it is young, but eventually it kills the home owner. Christianity is a religion of peace; only when it is not followed, does the terror begin. We need strong leadership in our country; a hand wringer will be trampled upon, and we will eventually have another 9/11. That I do not want to see. Greg SC