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    Grateful Dead Hour no. 421
    Week of October 14, 1996

    Guest: David Nelson

    David Nelson Band, Keeper of the Key
    THE WHEEL

    Jerry Garcia Acoustic Band 1987 (unreleased)
    RAGGED BUT RIGHT

    Black Mountain Boys 3/6/64
    BAREFOOT NELLIE
    MORE TO BE PITIED
    JERRY'S BREAKDOWN

    David Nelson Band, Limited Edition
    BORN SIDESTEPPER

    Jerry Garcia 11/62 College of San Mateo
    LITTLE BIRDIE

    High Country w/ Jerry Garcia 2/69 Matrix, SF
    SOLDIER'S JOY

    Grateful Dead (unreleased 1969 studio recording)
    BARBED WIRE WHIPPING PARTY

    Jerry Garcia Acoustic Band 1987 (unreleased)
    TURTLE DOVE


    David Nelson is one of Jerry Garcia's oldest musical pals. They played together in folk and bluegrass bands on the San Francisco Peninsula in the early 1960s, along with Robert Hunter, Eric Thompson, and others. Nelson was a founding member of the New Riders of the Purple Sage, a pioneering country-rock band fronted by singer-songwriter John "Marmaduke" Dawson and featuring Jerry on pedal steel guitar. Grateful Dead members Phil Lesh and Mickey Hart played with the NRPS at first, too, and the Dead's engineer/producer Bob Matthews played bass for a while.

    The New Riders toured with the Dead in 1970 and 1971, presenting marathon shows that opened with acoustic sets by GD/NRPS combinations, followed by NRPS and then the electric GD. The Riders became successful enough on their own that it was necessary to become an independent band; pedal steel guitarist Buddy Cage, who was playing with Ian and Sylvia when they all took that "Might as Well" ride on the Festival Express in 1970, signed on with the New Riders, joining the core of Marmaduke, David Nelson, bassist Dave Torbert (who later played in Kingfish with Bob Weir) and drummer Spencer Dryden (late of the Jefferson Airplane).

    Nelson left the New Riders in 1982. At Jerry's request, he served as Bob Dylan's guitar technician on the Dylan-Dead tour in the summer of 1987, and Jerry recruited him for the Jerry Garcia Acoustic Band, which opened for the electric JGB at the Lunt-Fontanne Theater in New York City.

    In the early 1990s, Nelson hit the road with the ridiculously great and tragically underappreciated David Nelson Band, with bassist Bill Laymon, guitar/pedal steel genius Barry Sless, keyboardist Mookie Siegel, and various drummers. That's what was happening when Nelson appeared on KPFA on July 31, 1996, an edited version of which became Grateful Dead Hour #421, originally broadcast the week of October 14, 1996. Nelson brought some recordings of his early days with Garcia, Hunter, and company, as well as some unreleased live material form the JGAB's 1987 shows.

    Nelson also treated us to a rare bit of studio weirdness called "Barbed Wire Whipping Party," a very high experiment conducted with the aid of the 16-track recorder in the San Mateo, California studio where the Dead were working on Aoxomoxoa.

    "Hunter said, 'I want you to get some people for voices, and I want you to read these lines like chants - say them over and over again, and we'll make tape loops put of them,'" Nelson recalled. "One of them was 'Push it and pull it and push it and pull it,' and another was 'Meat, meat, gimme my meat! Meat, meat, gimme my meat!' ... He had this idea to make loops of all this stuff and fade them in and out, and read this poem, 'Barbed Wire Whipping Party.' You can barely hear it - it's an odd mix. Oddly enough, it's an odd mix.... 'The barbed wire whipping party in the razor blade forest! No is permitted... the other day I went to Mars and talked to God, and he said, "Hang in there" ...'

    "Betty Cantor set up a microphone and Matthews had rigged the recorder so that anything that goes into this microphone is repeated 16 times. Three or four of us were standing there with headphones, and Betty says, 'Stay in the general area.' And we heard, 'area area area area.' So we start chanting, 'Area area area area, stay in the general area...' And the rest is chaos."

    Also present at this interview was Stephen Barncard, the recording engineer/producer who made timeless magic with David Crosby and his pals on If I Could Only Remember My Name, recorded American Beauty, and produced several albums by the New Riders.

    Enjoy!

    You can browse and/or search the Grateful Dead Hour program logs on the show's home page, gdhour.com. Let us know if there's a particular show you'd like to hear, and feel free to post requests and comments here or by email to gdhour [at] dead.net


    Thanks for listening!
    David Gans
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    Gamorrah...stages 1-10 (get over it)
    "..was turned to stone because she LOOKED BEHIND HER" --- gammorah Stages 1-10 stage 1) GET OVER IT!!! stage 2) wow we are still getting free streaming audio! stage 3) GET OVER IT!!! stage 4) your kids need half as much attention as you people spend not getting over the stream change and moving on with your lives stage 5) GET OVER IT! stage 6) you are having trouble getting over it...so you GET LOST!!! stage 7) voulenteer your time for someone less fortunate who has real problems and dosent bother everyone else who has cleary gotten over the stream change and moved on...aka all the cool folks who "don't punch gift horses in the mouth" stage 8) GET OVER IT....or let it wreck your whole "life" which obviously revolves around not getting over it and continually grinding this into the ground! Stage 9) GET OVER IT!!!! stage 10) you finally get lost realizing that everyone else has gotten over it, the persons who really appreciates what david gans and david lemeuix do for us on a weekly basis and has goten over it.........so stage 10 for all the babies, whiners, people who cant get a clue....GET OVER IT OR GET LOST!!!! no points of respect will be awarded to anyone who can tget the f--k over it already. BE THANKFUL AND STOP WITH THE crying/moaning/sense of entitlement BS!!!! (see points 1-10 above)
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    RHINOgate... I am not going to Stage 5
    The stages are: 1. Denial : The initial stage: "It can't be happening." 2. Anger : "Why ME? It's not fair?!" (either referring to God, oneself, or anybody perceived, rightly or wrongly, as "responsible") 3. Bargaining : "Just let me live to see my son graduate." 4. Depression : "I'm so sad, why bother with anything?" 5. Acceptance : "It's going to be OK."
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    John Henrikson
    Thank you for the info about John, lethedoom - I'll drop him a note and pass the word along to other mutual friends. As for you, Brian: no more of your requests will be honored until you learn how to spell my name :^) GD Hour blog Station list
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Week of October 14, 1996

Guest: David Nelson

David Nelson Band, Keeper of the Key
THE WHEEL

Jerry Garcia Acoustic Band 1987 (unreleased)
RAGGED BUT RIGHT

Black Mountain Boys 3/6/64
BAREFOOT NELLIE
MORE TO BE PITIED
JERRY'S BREAKDOWN

David Nelson Band, Limited Edition
BORN SIDESTEPPER

Jerry Garcia 11/62 College of San Mateo
LITTLE BIRDIE

High Country w/ Jerry Garcia 2/69 Matrix, SF
SOLDIER'S JOY

Grateful Dead (unreleased 1969 studio recording)
BARBED WIRE WHIPPING PARTY

Jerry Garcia Acoustic Band 1987 (unreleased)
TURTLE DOVE


David Nelson is one of Jerry Garcia's oldest musical pals. They played together in folk and bluegrass bands on the San Francisco Peninsula in the early 1960s, along with Robert Hunter, Eric Thompson, and others. Nelson was a founding member of the New Riders of the Purple Sage, a pioneering country-rock band fronted by singer-songwriter John "Marmaduke" Dawson and featuring Jerry on pedal steel guitar. Grateful Dead members Phil Lesh and Mickey Hart played with the NRPS at first, too, and the Dead's engineer/producer Bob Matthews played bass for a while.

The New Riders toured with the Dead in 1970 and 1971, presenting marathon shows that opened with acoustic sets by GD/NRPS combinations, followed by NRPS and then the electric GD. The Riders became successful enough on their own that it was necessary to become an independent band; pedal steel guitarist Buddy Cage, who was playing with Ian and Sylvia when they all took that "Might as Well" ride on the Festival Express in 1970, signed on with the New Riders, joining the core of Marmaduke, David Nelson, bassist Dave Torbert (who later played in Kingfish with Bob Weir) and drummer Spencer Dryden (late of the Jefferson Airplane).

Nelson left the New Riders in 1982. At Jerry's request, he served as Bob Dylan's guitar technician on the Dylan-Dead tour in the summer of 1987, and Jerry recruited him for the Jerry Garcia Acoustic Band, which opened for the electric JGB at the Lunt-Fontanne Theater in New York City.

In the early 1990s, Nelson hit the road with the ridiculously great and tragically underappreciated David Nelson Band, with bassist Bill Laymon, guitar/pedal steel genius Barry Sless, keyboardist Mookie Siegel, and various drummers. That's what was happening when Nelson appeared on KPFA on July 31, 1996, an edited version of which became Grateful Dead Hour #421, originally broadcast the week of October 14, 1996. Nelson brought some recordings of his early days with Garcia, Hunter, and company, as well as some unreleased live material form the JGAB's 1987 shows.

Nelson also treated us to a rare bit of studio weirdness called "Barbed Wire Whipping Party," a very high experiment conducted with the aid of the 16-track recorder in the San Mateo, California studio where the Dead were working on Aoxomoxoa.

"Hunter said, 'I want you to get some people for voices, and I want you to read these lines like chants - say them over and over again, and we'll make tape loops put of them,'" Nelson recalled. "One of them was 'Push it and pull it and push it and pull it,' and another was 'Meat, meat, gimme my meat! Meat, meat, gimme my meat!' ... He had this idea to make loops of all this stuff and fade them in and out, and read this poem, 'Barbed Wire Whipping Party.' You can barely hear it - it's an odd mix. Oddly enough, it's an odd mix.... 'The barbed wire whipping party in the razor blade forest! No is permitted... the other day I went to Mars and talked to God, and he said, "Hang in there" ...'

"Betty Cantor set up a microphone and Matthews had rigged the recorder so that anything that goes into this microphone is repeated 16 times. Three or four of us were standing there with headphones, and Betty says, 'Stay in the general area.' And we heard, 'area area area area.' So we start chanting, 'Area area area area, stay in the general area...' And the rest is chaos."

Also present at this interview was Stephen Barncard, the recording engineer/producer who made timeless magic with David Crosby and his pals on If I Could Only Remember My Name, recorded American Beauty, and produced several albums by the New Riders.

Enjoy!

You can browse and/or search the Grateful Dead Hour program logs on the show's home page, gdhour.com. Let us know if there's a particular show you'd like to hear, and feel free to post requests and comments here or by email to gdhour [at] dead.net


Thanks for listening!
David Gans
gdhour [at] dead.net

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A lot of tantalizing goods from an era gone by. I wish I was in a better mood to listen via Quacktime, but there are psychotic herds of rhinoceri gaining on me... Jerry was right, when he said something to the effect of: I JUST WANT THE WHOLE THING TO GO UP IN SMOKE & BECOME A PILE OF ASHES. He really said that, I read it! It was him, alright... and he was being very visceral.
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Thanks posting this one. I used to listen to the Grateful Dead hour every Sunday at 8:00am. Good for me as I am a morning person. It came on after a show for people in recovery. Go figure. Keep up the great work.
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thanks for posting the barbed wire whipping party!such a weird view into what was going on back then while they were recording AOXOMOXOA.....heard some stories. This definately verifies the studio weirdness! hey dave....i had a couple of requests if you dont mind! The GDH #335 featuring the oakland 94 show with Truckin'>That would be something>he's gone....such a haunting show...gives me chills just thinking about it! Just something amazing about that show. and if you got time... the gdh shows from 05/14/70 merimac college (352,353) thanks again for everything! keep on doing what you do!
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wow! thanks again DL and DG for giving us such awesome music to listen to!I hooked up roadrunner just so I could stream the taper's section and grateful dead radio hour, it works great and sounds beautiful! I was digging the mp3 downloads but whatever...I also got a cord to run sound through home stereo, rockin' and loud! Heck practically every show I could ever want streams in soundboard on archive.org don't forget...Also haven't heard any talk of the concert vault (Bill Graham's vault and king biscuit etc.) ALL BANDS! CHECK IT OUT!! P.S. always looking to buy a new release.... Ben
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Noteworthy compilation of tunes, DG. I had never even heard of "Barbed Wire Whipping Party" before today. That song was funny and weird, which made me think of that era again. Not sure if I'm sad or relieved but I know that I'm grateful. The Dude Abides!
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but it was nice to hear some more pre-Dead Jerry. I love, lemme repeat that LOVE, the Mother McCree's disc, but I'd always wondered what Jerry sounded like in more of a pure bluegrass setting, since we all know that's where he started. Prayer answered. Thanks, David! And let me add, for whoever at Rhino might be reading this, that I would line up to purchase a disc that collected whatever recordings might exist of Messrs. Garcia, Weir, Lesh, Kreutzmann, or McKernan before they formed the Dead. Garcia/Hunter folkie stuff? More Black Mountain Boys? More Pigpen? Bring it on.
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...is different than choking up in baseball. As Jerry explains in this episode.'Little Biride' rocks the house! I remember this program. Still have it on tape. Fantastic versions of 'Ragged But Right' and 'Turtle Dove.' Great choice here.
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Great show! I always enjoy the more acoustic side of GD music. This selection highlights some of the roots and fine realisations of this approach, as well as demonstrating that there must have been some fun times in the studio during the Aoxomoxoa sessions. Anyone know if David Nelson still has the 1940 Martin D-18 he played on Cumberland Blues, that he got from a trade with Jerry? Happy Trails
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Hunter's comment seems saccharine to me. What happened here is called 'Bait and Switch' when it happens in a market place.The sudden and unexplained and unpleasant change of format coupled with these silly exclusive players that demand a mysterious password if you use the pause control are sadistic.The site governor must be fantasizing about all the deadheads he is leading around by the nose.The only good quality of this Grateful Dead Hour format is to be found by comparing it to the quality of the archived 'Dead To The World' programs on the KPFA site which compress two hours of music into a 20mb mp3 file. That sucks worse, but this sucks too. I am sorry that David Gans is not posting these on bt.etree.org or LAMA instead of here.
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"The GDH #335 featuring the oakland 94 show with Truckin'>That would be something>he's gone....such a haunting show...gives me chills just thinking about it! Just something amazing about that show." Nice pointer indeed! Many thanks!
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This was the sort of reaction I had hoped we would get here. I like the Dead Show on KOPN at http://deadshow.blogspot.com/ and I posted a comment at https://www.blogger.com/ comment.g?blogID=7847493&postID=4981664890143991159 lethedoom said... Welcome back Professor and good luck with your healing and physical therapy. I noticed that this Dead Show file is about half the usual size and at 96kbps instead of the 128kbps of former posts. There has been bitter reaction to the recent changes at the DeadNet Tapers Section and Grateful Dead Hour posts, in part because not even a rudimentary explanation of why access to the music had been downgraded was offered. I hope you will restore the 128kbps quality or at least tell us why you downgraded the posting quality next week. Thank you for all of the wonderful music you have shared with us and archived. 11:12 AM the professor said... My bad. my main production computer crashed just before I got sick. I restored it but apparently the settings for this application were not restored correctly. I will re-upload this week's show at the correct encoding. My apologies - thanks for pointing it out. 11:40 AM
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Thank you for the GDH 335 request. I'l add it to the queue. It's better to email requests to gdhour@dead.net, though, 'cause it's much easier for me to keep them in a mailbox than to write them down as they're posted in here. GD Hour blog Station list
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Thanks for the unusual post this week, Mr. Gans (as we have never been introduced, we are not technically on a first name basis). If anyone out there has this show/broadcast available, I would love to get a copy (cassettes are F-I-N-E). Thanks again!
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thanks David I love the music of Senor Nelson, The DNB especially, they have made imho some of the very BEST post GOGD Music Bob W - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Spanish Jam
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Grateful_nirvanA: Let me know how to get it to you and you got it (a cassette). It's a great show.
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Thanks David!I appreciate you taking the time for our requests! I'll remember to send it to your e-mail next time. I can understand that things have been quite hectic around here as of late. It is such an honor to have an open line of communication with you! I've been a huge fan of your show for many years...and you still never cease to amaze me with the depth,knowledge, and time span of your selections! I've never been inside the vault, but with your show its like a weekly walking tour through the history of our favorite band! I only got to see the band in 94 and 95...but your show makes up for my 28 year absence! I just found out today that my school offers an outdoors program which features a canoe ride on the suawanee river both into and out of Magnolia Fest! I quickly signed up for this adventure! Its about a month away...and I look foward to the canoe trip, three days of camping and music, and meeting some fine folks! Its such a beautiful and pristine part of Florida! take care and thanks again! M.S.
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David Gans asked: Are you talking about John Henrikson? Has he been ill? Or was he injured? Jon Henrikson posted this on the Dead Show blog (http://deadshow.blogspot.com/) : First off a sincere thank you to all of you who passed along your warm and kind get well wishes to me this week. I was in the hospital because I had an aneurysm in my leg that blocked the blood flow pretty completely. They did a vein graft in there and while I'm still pretty gimpy, at least I'm not in the hospital so I'm thankful for that. I wanted to get a show up this week, and I think you'll enjoy this one, which was just recently released in a complete form...
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Thanks for paying attention to my request, Mr Ganz. This piece of weirdness brings back lots of fun memories of listening to your show. The Dead at their trippiest for sure! Brian Michaelson
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Thank you for the info about John, lethedoom - I'll drop him a note and pass the word along to other mutual friends. As for you, Brian: no more of your requests will be honored until you learn how to spell my name :^) GD Hour blog Station list
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The stages are: 1. Denial : The initial stage: "It can't be happening." 2. Anger : "Why ME? It's not fair?!" (either referring to God, oneself, or anybody perceived, rightly or wrongly, as "responsible") 3. Bargaining : "Just let me live to see my son graduate." 4. Depression : "I'm so sad, why bother with anything?" 5. Acceptance : "It's going to be OK."
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"..was turned to stone because she LOOKED BEHIND HER" --- gammorah Stages 1-10 stage 1) GET OVER IT!!! stage 2) wow we are still getting free streaming audio! stage 3) GET OVER IT!!! stage 4) your kids need half as much attention as you people spend not getting over the stream change and moving on with your lives stage 5) GET OVER IT! stage 6) you are having trouble getting over it...so you GET LOST!!! stage 7) voulenteer your time for someone less fortunate who has real problems and dosent bother everyone else who has cleary gotten over the stream change and moved on...aka all the cool folks who "don't punch gift horses in the mouth" stage 8) GET OVER IT....or let it wreck your whole "life" which obviously revolves around not getting over it and continually grinding this into the ground! Stage 9) GET OVER IT!!!! stage 10) you finally get lost realizing that everyone else has gotten over it, the persons who really appreciates what david gans and david lemeuix do for us on a weekly basis and has goten over it.........so stage 10 for all the babies, whiners, people who cant get a clue....GET OVER IT OR GET LOST!!!! no points of respect will be awarded to anyone who can tget the f--k over it already. BE THANKFUL AND STOP WITH THE crying/moaning/sense of entitlement BS!!!! (see points 1-10 above)