• March 16, 2008
    https://www.dead.net/features/release-info/wait-over-winterland-1973-box-has-arrived
    The Wait Is Over… The Winterland 1973 Box Has Arrived!

    Sherman, set the Wayback machine for the second week of November, 1973. The Grateful Dead are on a roll…yes, again! The summer had seen the band playing triumphant mega-shows with the Allman Brothers at RFK Stadium in D.C. and at Watkins Glenn in upstate New York. With their popularity seemingly still escalating by the month, fall tours took them to various East Coast haunts and all over the Midwest. On October 15, they released Wake of the Flood, their first album on their own independent record label, and copies were flying out of stores coast to coast. So the mood in the band was WAY UP when their incredibly busy schedule brought them home for three shows at Winterland in San Francisco November 9, 10 and 11—before they set off again for points East.

    Winterland always brought out the best—and the beast—in the band. Located across Geary Boulevard from the Fillmore Auditorium, the one-time home of the Ice Follies had hosted dozens of amazing rock shows since Bill Graham started putting on shows there in the late ’60s. It’s where the top tier of Bay Area bands would get together occasionally for marathon shows, and it’s where the most popular out-of-town acts—from The Doors, to Hendrix, to The Who, to the Rolling Stones—would play in the era before faceless sports arenas became an unfortunate fact of concert-going life. But nobody played Winterland as often as the Dead. By the time they’d trucked their ever-expanding sound system to the venue for their November ’73 shows, they’d already logged 31 concerts there—and there would be another 28 eventful Dead nights at Winterland before the old place was closed after the Dead’s New Year’s Eve show in 1978, and eventually reduced to rubble to make way for condos. Sure, the 5,000-capacity hall was acoustically challenging and a little frayed on the edges. But with its narrow open floor, shallow lower balcony that encircled the entire venue, its deeper back balcony chill zone, and serpentine walkways between floors, it was a tremendously fun and entertaining place to see a show—especially a Dead show.

    Winterland 1973: The Complete Recordings captures the Dead during one of their peak years and absolutely at the top of their game. Spread over nine discs, it includes every note of three complete consecutive shows (save for the encore of November 9, which was not recorded), so there’s plenty here to satisfy every fan: magnificent jams on “Dark Star” (which sprawls to 35 completely compelling minutes!), “Playing in the Band,” “Eyes of the World,” the still-new “Weather Report Suite” and more; kick-ass rockers of every variety (“Sugar Magnolia,” “Casey Jones,” “Johnny B. Goode,” “Truckin’,” et al); haunting ballads including “China Doll,” “Stella Blue” and “To Lay Me Down”; a truly spectacular “China Cat”; and the first of just three versions ever of the dazzling sequence of “Playing in the Band” > “Uncle John’s Band” > “Morning Dew” > “Uncle John’s” reprise > “Playing” reprise. (For a complete listing of the contents of the nine discs, go here.)

    All the music here was drawn from Grateful Dead crew member Kidd Candelario’s crystal clear and wonderfully present 2-track soundboard reels of the shows, and enhanced by the mastering work of the always reliable sonic wizard Jeffrey Norman, who used all sorts of arcane processes to bring it all into the glorious world of HDCD sound. This stuff will rattle your bones! The beautifully designed box also comes with a colorful booklet containing scads of great photos and a fine essay by Grateful Dead historian Dennis McNally.

    We like to think of Winterland 1973 as being part of the noble tradition established by the ecstatically received Fillmore West 1969: The Complete Recordings, and as a precursor for other complete-run boxes to come. So clear out a chunk of space in the ol’ CD case, ’cause this mutha’ is a BIG ONE!

    Don’t delay! You can order Winterland 1973: The Complete Recordings right now by clicking here !

    (To help get you in the mood, you can preview some of the music on the Winterland 1973 box by clicking here. And to give you a little glimpse of what Winterland was like, check out this video montage with audio from the ’73 shows and visuals from The Grateful Dead Movie, shot at Winterland a year later!)

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Sherman, set the Wayback machine for the second week of November, 1973. The Grateful Dead are on a roll…yes, again! The summer had seen the band playing triumphant mega-shows with the Allman Brothers at RFK Stadium in D.C. and at Watkins Glenn in upstate New York. With their popularity seemingly still escalating by the month, fall tours took them to various East Coast haunts and all over the Midwest. On October 15, they released Wake of the Flood, their first album on their own independent record label, and copies were flying out of stores coast to coast. So the mood in the band was WAY UP when their incredibly busy schedule brought them home for three shows at Winterland in San Francisco November 9, 10 and 11—before they set off again for points East.

Winterland always brought out the best—and the beast—in the band. Located across Geary Boulevard from the Fillmore Auditorium, the one-time home of the Ice Follies had hosted dozens of amazing rock shows since Bill Graham started putting on shows there in the late ’60s. It’s where the top tier of Bay Area bands would get together occasionally for marathon shows, and it’s where the most popular out-of-town acts—from The Doors, to Hendrix, to The Who, to the Rolling Stones—would play in the era before faceless sports arenas became an unfortunate fact of concert-going life. But nobody played Winterland as often as the Dead. By the time they’d trucked their ever-expanding sound system to the venue for their November ’73 shows, they’d already logged 31 concerts there—and there would be another 28 eventful Dead nights at Winterland before the old place was closed after the Dead’s New Year’s Eve show in 1978, and eventually reduced to rubble to make way for condos. Sure, the 5,000-capacity hall was acoustically challenging and a little frayed on the edges. But with its narrow open floor, shallow lower balcony that encircled the entire venue, its deeper back balcony chill zone, and serpentine walkways between floors, it was a tremendously fun and entertaining place to see a show—especially a Dead show.

Winterland 1973: The Complete Recordings captures the Dead during one of their peak years and absolutely at the top of their game. Spread over nine discs, it includes every note of three complete consecutive shows (save for the encore of November 9, which was not recorded), so there’s plenty here to satisfy every fan: magnificent jams on “Dark Star” (which sprawls to 35 completely compelling minutes!), “Playing in the Band,” “Eyes of the World,” the still-new “Weather Report Suite” and more; kick-ass rockers of every variety (“Sugar Magnolia,” “Casey Jones,” “Johnny B. Goode,” “Truckin’,” et al); haunting ballads including “China Doll,” “Stella Blue” and “To Lay Me Down”; a truly spectacular “China Cat”; and the first of just three versions ever of the dazzling sequence of “Playing in the Band” > “Uncle John’s Band” > “Morning Dew” > “Uncle John’s” reprise > “Playing” reprise. (For a complete listing of the contents of the nine discs, go here.)

All the music here was drawn from Grateful Dead crew member Kidd Candelario’s crystal clear and wonderfully present 2-track soundboard reels of the shows, and enhanced by the mastering work of the always reliable sonic wizard Jeffrey Norman, who used all sorts of arcane processes to bring it all into the glorious world of HDCD sound. This stuff will rattle your bones! The beautifully designed box also comes with a colorful booklet containing scads of great photos and a fine essay by Grateful Dead historian Dennis McNally.

We like to think of Winterland 1973 as being part of the noble tradition established by the ecstatically received Fillmore West 1969: The Complete Recordings, and as a precursor for other complete-run boxes to come. So clear out a chunk of space in the ol’ CD case, ’cause this mutha’ is a BIG ONE!

Don’t delay! You can order Winterland 1973: The Complete Recordings right now by clicking here !

(To help get you in the mood, you can preview some of the music on the Winterland 1973 box by clicking here. And to give you a little glimpse of what Winterland was like, check out this video montage with audio from the ’73 shows and visuals from The Grateful Dead Movie, shot at Winterland a year later!)

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This would be a nice addition to my collection. But given that it is 2008, why can't I have the option of being able to purchase via download? I am not interested in having more CDs clutter my space.
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So happy to see this release finally coming out. No one can complain about the content. As far as price, sure 10$ per cd is modestly high, but what isn't these days. Hopefully cool packaging and quality of sound will make it well worth it. Now the last thing Rhino could do to fully "redeem" themselves is release a DVD selection next. I really love the surround sound experience found on The Grateful Dead Movie, Truckin to Buffalo, etc. "Music is the best" - FZ
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Keep releasing entire runs like this and I'll keep buying them!
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I agree with 1 of the above comments. I've also placed my order & a shipping date would be nice. The April 30th cutoff for the bonus disc is a guess but for my $100 I'd kinda like to know. Having said that, I CAN'T WAIT. The samples that I've checked out sound GREAT!
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A t-shirt with the cover art would be a big seller. The cover is very well done. onsider a shirt offer like the Cow Palace offer.CD looks very appealing. This is to tempting to pass up.
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These compilations are great. Am still waiting for you to release a compilation of possibly the greatest 3 night run in Dead history, namely Boston, Cornell, and Buffalo in May of 1977. I was at the Buffalo show, and have tapes of all 3, but would love some remastered soundboards of these shows. I'm sure many other Deadheads would agree. Keep the music coming! Peace, Jumpin Jim
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What's wrong with you people, this is great. Although it would be even better on DVD!!!
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Cornell is not in the vault; otherwise it would have been released years ago...Fortunately, what's out there is really high quality, as is Buffalo...
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Didn't like the first RT, unfortunately. This, however, is the real deal. DP14 is one of my favorites, Disc Two being one of the BEST discs of dead anywhere, anytime, and I was listening to it today, roll in from Billings and BAM here's this sample from just around the corner. Three WR Suites. Wow. Morning Comes.
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I know I can't swing the box set now, butit looks so mouth watering! It will make a great birthday or Hannukkah present. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "And if you go no one may follow, That path is for your steps alone..."
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Normally '73 doesn't excite me, but playing the preview tracks has gotten my attention. Might be worth picking this one up. And actually, for a 2 track release, it sounds like it was well recorded at the time. But as usual, I will continue to beg for a download option. I have way too many cd's on my shelves. Greg SC
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"(I do hope that the set's limited, but I'm guessing that they were so badly burnt by the limitation on Fillmore that they decided to scrub 'round that.)" -"Priceless" Yah we know... This must be one of those jerks who will buy some boxsets and resell them on EBAY for $500.00 each and not pay a cent in taxes over those rip off profits. Rhino can sell more than 10,000 copies worldwide. Repeating thier last mistake only encourages a few buyers to make bootleg copies for their friends, just to satisfy the real demand. Rhino is gona make their money this time around...
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I'm amazed at the whiners out there. 100.00 for this is a steal. it has been remastered and will sound great. I'm very grateful to have my copy on the way. I will get a lot of quality jamming time out of this. I love to collect this stuff, please keep it coming, many of us are very happy to part with a 100.00 bucks. Coconut Phil, living Free.
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I have placed the pre-order of this item ... now I hope the sum will be drawn from my bank account ... before the US dollar gets more expensive ... I still cry over the missed opportunity to get the Fillmore box. Since I had dental bills to pay then, I couldn't convince myself to order it, even though "Live/Dead" is THE record of my life and THE record I want to have with me in my coffin when I make the final journey ... Of course I agree the price of this new box is a little too much but on the other hand, with the bonus disc and the costs for shipping and handling in mind, the total sum is below what I had to pay for the Garcia Studio Sessions box, when bought from one of the best Swedish online stores. And that box only contained six records. I haven't got the Beyond Description box yet, which about $ 215,00 in Swedish currency, but I had to pay about $ 300,00 for the Golden Road box set when that one was released. So I will not make any further complaints about the cost of the Winterland box. Micke
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The reason people get upset with the pricing is because they've shown they can sell them cheaper, but they choose not to. DP29 is $33 for 6 discs. The Winterland Box (if you don't count the pre-order bonus disc) is 50% more music at 3-times the price. It's easy to see why people are taken aback by the cost. Compared to retail outlets, $10 per disc is a good deal. Compared to other items they sell on this website - it's really not. I'm sure the music is nothing short of stellar. Drop the first disc from each show and drop the price to $60 and I'd be all over it. But for $100, I'll probably pass.
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Blair,Thanks for letting us now that it is not in the vault. Now for everyone that has been holding their breath for all these years, you can breathe now. If the doors of perception were cleansed, everything would appear to man as it is, infinite. William Blake
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I'm ecstatic about this release, and am confident it will have been worth the wait. 1973 was Primal Dead at it's finest.
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It great to see this release and I am sure more to follow of this most exceptional period in GD musical development. Perhaps only 1972 is more interesting since it was the only time Pigpen , Keith and Donna ALL were performing in the band at the same time. This moment in time was pivotal, and a noticeable change for any of those (myself included) who followed the music of this most extraordinary and very different band from the mainstream music scene. It is in retrospect amazing to realize how much of the most loved repetoire started at this time . I can say from personal experience , it was a heady time indeed. Enjoy it , I am sure you wont be sorry. Keep em coming.
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So, this is the set I ordered from the old dead.net to be told "whoops". Passage of times & Rhino/Iventa's incompetence and rudeness regarding their inability to post RT2 from America to England (best excuse - my UK address was not recognised by the US postal system. Why, shucks, mercy). So no buy for me. Have all the shows, including the one which apparently "does not circulate", as CM noted. Sad that the fans know more about what circulates than the dead.net employees, but there ya go ;->> Now, if dead.net really could break out of the steam age, and offer DOWNLOADS, and make them cheaper, I might buy in. Until then, the little money I have stays in my pocket. WE WANT DOWNLOADS. (Oh, by the way, they have the internet on computers now, as well)
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So how exactly does this vault thing work... If so many of us have awesome sounding copies of Cornell 77, why doesn;t someone hand over a copy to the GD vault?? I'm sure (or maybe not so sure) that with an awesome studio set up they could still work with it to make it sound somewhat better (HDCD?). Send me postage and discs and i'll send you a copy vault guys! :) Seriously though, those 3 shows would make a sweet box set. "Music is the best" - FZ
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I'm sorry, but I gotta speak for the minority here. I just don't have a hundred bucks in this day and age to spend on pretty much the only music I buy anymore. Plus, isn't that a pretty steep price for 9 CDs? With 3-CD sets here going for $25, why the big pricetag for "Winterland 1973"? Which brings me to the dirty C-word: Where is the "compilation" CD for these shows - like there was with "Fillmore West 1969: The Complete Recordings"?
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What the heck is with these posts going first to last? Not good.
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Great news! Looking forward to these shows… Just had one question….I was looking at the track list and wondered if the track order had been rearranged for the 11/9/73 show? The songs seem pretty out of order from the original show and are missing Ramble on Rose and Tennessee Jed. I’m not complaining on this one…….just wanted to make sure! ; )
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After reading all the posts I see the minority opinion on the pricing isn't as small as I thought it would be. The answer seems simple: Put out a 3-4 CD set of The Best of Winterland 1973. Me and a whole bunch of others would pay 30 bucks for that. What say, Rhino?
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Good point. Track listing does not match up with set list link or Dead Base. Yet claims to cover every note except that one encore. Which is correct? I dont have that show in my collection. Anyone who does can you shed any light? "Music is the best" - FZ
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Does anyone know when your card will be charged? Will it be charged at the time the CD's ship or when I complete the online order? Please provide that detail in the product description. I would think that information would be beneficial to know.
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Allman--I wasn't charged when I completed the order. My experience has been that nobody charges CC until order has shipped. But I agree that an official response would be helpful.
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posts go in chronological order here, i.e. not blog style/reverse chronological. There are tradeoffs either way, but we went with this.
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In my opinion 1973 is the most exciting year in the GD book. The last DP from Dick Latvala, DP 14, was a fine release. After that we have received two fine DP volumes from David Lemieux, DP 19 and 28. So, a complete Winterland -73 volume is something really exciting, and I look forward to receive it later this spring.
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What a treat to recapture these memories. On the way there, a boulder fell off the mountainside east of Donner in the rain and we ran over it ripping off the muffler and part of the tailpipe. First night was a promo for Wake of the Flood. We were in early and were given a poster, crow matches, rolling papers, and something to roll. Still have the matches somewhere. Weather Report, hell we already had that coming over Donner. Loved the floor, I was into the Mandela bogie. Party got so hot by the second set the walls going upstairs were sweating with condensation.
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Thanks for the response on the order of the posts. I still think blog-style would be better. Also, any idea on whether a compilation CD set from this release will be offered? I think lots of folks would love it. (like me!! :))Peace
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Coconut Phil Phil, these three shows have not been "remastered" because they cannot be remastered. These are only 2 track recordings, and can only be equalized and filtered. In order to remaster (like the Cow Palace vault release), the tapes have to be at least 16 track recordings. The sound on this release will be much like the sound you hear on many of the Dick's Picks releases. So don't get your hopes up too high. That is why many here have said the price is high... because Dick's Picks have usually been the lower priced releases because of the 2 track limitations. This release will be no different. Though I will admit that the sound on many of the earlier 2 track recordings far exceed the sound found on the 2 track recordings of the latter years. Greg SC
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Of course 2-track recordings can be (re)mastered. Why do you think all the Dick's Picks have been "mastered"? What about the remastering of all the Dead studio albums? They would have been from the 2-track stereo mixes. Why would only 16-track or more multi-track tapes be able to be (re)mastered? 3-track, 4-track, 8-track, 16-track, 24-track, whatever-track tapes have to be mixed down first, producing a 2-track tape/audio file/etc, then this 2-track source is mastered for CD. These, obviously, can be mixed for 5.1 releases as well, as took place for the Dead DVD releases. Sure, they can't mix the Winterland '73 sources - the panning, levels, etc are fixed but they can definitely master them. That's why they say "and enhanced by the mastering work of the always reliable sonic wizard Jeffrey Norman".
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Now THIS is more like it!This is exactly the type of product I'm looking for. I agree that it's a little pricey compaired to Dick's Picks but it's what I want and I'll buy it. I'm generally not a fan of the 'bonus' CD gimmick -- just add it to the package already! -- but I do appreciate the advance notice and the announced cut off date of April 30. Now I know how much time I have to scrape together the $100. Can't wait to get this box!
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was drawn following buisness day ... Then about downloads ... perhaps that's a generation thing ... but I still prefer physical albums. If the day comes when downloads are the only way to get records, I will pick the nicest made bootleg of a certain album - even if the cost may be a little higher than the average package of records ... Okey, I might not already own a lot of bootlegs compared to how many shows I have on tape but if the day comes when downloads is the ONLY LEGAL way to get new records, I will become an avid bootleg collector ... Micke PS! And by the way ... keep 'em compilations comin' ... I don't mind, as long as the music flows without flaws ... ;-) ds.
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There are no plans currently for a smaller compilation a la the Fillmore West Box. As for mastering/remastering, Jeffrey Norman definitely does some mojo on every tape that goes to his studio, and at the risk of sounding like a corporate shill (I'm always a fan first!) trust me when I say this box sounds REALLY good sonically, particularly the instruments. Some of the vocals maybe a little less so, but that's true on most late '73 through '74 recordings IMO...
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Little Ben Clock I would dispute your definition of remastering. Notice the careful wording: "and enhanced by the mastering work of the always reliable sonic wizard Jeffrey Norman". This is saying that Jeffrey Norman has done his best to enhance the sound on these tapes with his "mastering work." When music is remastered, they go back to the 16 track source, and properly blend it to achieve maximum sound quality. A 2 track source is "locked up," and can only be enhanced by various filters, equalizing, etc. That is why the Dick's Picks releases have always had a poorer quality sound than the Vault releases. Listen to Cow Palace, then listen to any of the Dick's Picks, or Road Trips. There is a huge difference. How about it, Blair? Any comments? Greg SC
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Ben, I stand corrected: I found something that used to be on the Grateful Dead site. And apparently "mastering" is sort of a loose term. But anyway, what follows, explains: The primary difference between these two series of audio releases is the source material. The "Vault Release" series is mixed from the multi-track master tapes, whereas the "Dick's Picks" series utilizes 2-track master tapes. What this means is that a "Vault Release" can be mixed and manipulated to create as optimum-sounding a release as possible, with each individual instrument and vocal having the ability to be mixed to create as good a sonic blend as possible. The "Dick's Picks" source tapes, having been mixed to 2-track tape live at the concerts, or using the stereo PA tape, cannot be manipulated and mixed in the same way, as what was mixed to this tape is the extent of what we have to work with. The most that can be done in the production of a 2-track tape is to "master" the tape. This may be "equalization" (overall tonal improvements), "compression" (control of excessive dynamic problems), and/or "editing" (connecting songs together) the tape to create the best-possible release. As a side note, the "View from the Vault" series of DVD releases uses the 2-track source audio that is on the video master, meaning the "View from the Vault" series is more akin to the "Dick's Picks" series than to the "Vault Release" series. The video portion of the "View from the Vault" series is what was shown live, on the big screens at the concerts." David Lemieux Audiovisual Archivist Grateful Dead Productions Greg SC
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Anyone know if Rhino plans on releasing video like Truckin Up to Buffalo....?That would be cool as well. --------------------------------- I'm not Beethoven
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this comes from another group, but i thought someone might find it interesting Found on r.m.gd. Here's some info that someone pulled from dead.net the first time that this box was announced in March 2006 before being withdrawn again, relating to the recordings and the prep for (at least that version of) the release: >Notes on Mastering Winterland 1973: The Complete Recordings These two-track 1/4" tapes were originally recorded on a Nagra IV running at 7.5 inches per second by Bill Candelario (Kidd) as part of the normal tape documenting done in 1973. Kidd employed a mic split which permitted a different mix to tape than that to the PA system, with minimal processing allowing the clearest possible signal path to tape. We have attempted to preserve this excellent recording by using current technology to enhance its fidelity as never before. The first step in this process was to transfer the original analog master tapes to a digital format. This was done by using a Pacific Microsonics HDCD A/D converter at the highest possible digital resolution, 192KHz/24bit (for comparison, a standard CD is 44.1KHz/16bit). The resultant audio files were then sent via hard drive to Plangent Processes in Nantucket, MA. Plangent Processes utilizes a novel proprietary digital signal processing system called Clarity. The process analyzes the tape, searching for artifacts of the recording stream that happen to contain highly accurate timing information, which then reveal the mechanical imperfections of the original tape recorder's performance as it was making the initial master recording. To obtain this timing information, the original transfers to digital actually had to be done with the master tapes running at half speed, 3.75 inches per second. This information was then employed as a guide to gently but firmly correct the data of the digital transfer such that the sonic performance in terms of speed, pitch and tempo was indistinguishable from the board output. In this case the original 7.5 inches per second recordings contained significant amounts of wow and flutter, as would be routine even in the professional machine used to make these recordings. By undoing the wow and flutter we can now hear the performances in their original perfect pitch, and with steadiness of rhythm and overall clarity intact. The performances were then mastered from these corrected audio files. Slight amounts of analog compression (through a Fairman Tube Master Compressor) and equalization (through a Sontec MES-432C Mastering Equalizer) were employed when loading into the Sonic Solutions digital work station for final assembling and editing. We are confident that you will find this reproduction to sound better than any two-track recording of this vintage you may have previously heard.< - - - - - - - - - - - - - - http://spanishsunshinedaydream.blogspot.com/ http://www.facebook.com/photos.php?id=633338979 Spanish Jam
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It seems that there is much deadication on this box set . Probably from the band . As it is one of the most powerful music releases of this band , besides a few of the Dicks picks . And the excellent Road trips Oct 77 set . Thanks band , and team for giving us such quality stuff Forever grateful = )
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Caught it accidentally while trying to listen on-line. It said "New Release" and I said "WHAT?" Couldn't get to dead.net fast enough to place my order. Based on what I heard of the 11/9 show, I can't wait to get the set.... Wahoo!!!!!
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dick's picks are les expensive for more reasons then just the 2-track recording. sure this is a 2-track, but there's more effort done on everything from packaging to notes, it's superficiel stuff but i like it. dick's picks is a fine series of corse, but it's more just the shows, rather then presentation. anyway this release might be 2-track, but i'd say it's more of a multitrack release (cow palace, rockin' the rhein ect...) then a dick's picks, if that makes sense... so 10 bucks per CD is definitly a good price. on another note, what do all these people have against "road trips", IMO it's a really good series from what i've heard so far, it's going to be great. you know, "road trips" is taken from just a few shows (like 4 or 5) so i don't get why people complain when they see that, all the while the "movie soundtrack" got alot of positive stuff said about it, and that also was just a compilation of a few shows(not a full show), as is "fillmore west 1969" and a whole lot of other releases... why is it that people don't like seeing 4 nights on "the east coast" (4 nights just a few days apart) but love seeing 4 nights at the "fillmore"??? and all that great music wouldn't be release otherwise, maybe because the rest of the show just wasn't good enough. anyway, i love almost all dead releases, and this run at winterland could just be my favourite.
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Yeah, from what I've heard of the sample songs, this is definitely better than the soundboards of these shows in circulation. Those were good, but this is a definite improvement. Hopefully the same digital processing will be used in the future on the 2-track releases to come. We are now in the digital age, so it would stand to reason that we could do better than just settling for the type of sound quality most of the Dick's Picks had to offer. Once Cow Palace came out, it is hard to listen to its accompanying bonus cd (and the other 2-track stuff), and not hear a world of difference between the two. Anyway, I'll be ordering this release soon. Just need to scratch together the cash. Greg SC
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Thanks for all the details of the sound and what goes into us enjoying these releases. Sounds like Winterland 73 is gonna blow us away! "Music is the best" - FZ
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TeeeeHeeHeeeheeeHeeeeeeeeeeeeee!!!!
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Looks great! But let's hope the folks at Rhino don't screw up including the bonus disc like they did with the first "road trips" release.
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You mean screw up by "NOT" including the bonus discs with the initial shipments!!
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  • Hazlenuts
    9 years 3 months ago
    Right On!!!!!!!!
    Can't wait to get this. Over 10 hours of Dead music sweet!!!!!!
  • stone jack baller
    11 years 6 months ago
    Commercial Re-release ???
    Road Trips V2#2 [2/14/68] is released as Catalogue #GRA2-6006 and Hartford 77 is released as GRA2-6008. So where is GRA2-6007 ??? https://www.redeye.com.au/answer.asp?preOrder=yes&reion=YEN&offset=120&…
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    BeigePeter
    11 years 8 months ago
    WOW
    When i was reading the Deadhead's Taping Compendium 1965-'75 (by Dwork, Getz, and others), the description of these Winterland shows made me practically PRAY for their release on CD. Too good to ever be true, though!*****Years later (last week) it was indeed a revelation to find out that the COMPLETE RECORDINGS of ALL 3 SHOWS were released in a 9-CD deluxe package! I am psyched to hear that the Complete Recordings series will continue, apparently with entire runs of shows, mini TOURS! Many people were saddened that the Dick's Picks series came to an end, and some were downright frightened by the thought that Latvala's archival tradition was to be carried on only in the form of Road Trips compilations! Which is pretty neat by the way. I see each Road Trips--as it exists so far, anyway--as having 4 major functions: 1) as a sampler of a tour from which you have never heard a show; 2) as a way to introduce a new deadhead to what different "eras" of the Dead were like--i.e. Pigpen vs. Keith vs. Brent vs. Vince/Bruce; 3) as a GREAT way to introduce a new deadhead to the point of it all, to what each of these legendary "tours" really was: an adventure, shared by many friends, in pursuit of a living, breathing, moving, improvising, never-the-same-song-twice musical treasure. I can still remember a time when i hadn't yet experienced the majesty of one of their shows, but i WAS getting familiar with the chord structures from listening to studio albums, and so eventually was ready to get into Dick's Picks and tape trading, and of course going to current live shows! But there was a time...when the perfect music purchase to help me make the leap to serious deadhead...would probably have been a Road Trip. The COMPLETE RECORDINGS, however, is really where it's at for serious fans, along with their trades, and the already-existing Dick's Picks series. Many Picks are actually not COMPLETE shows, but the songs are indeed all from the SAME show (or two...or...) They are still far from being compilations. Volume 14, for example, representing the best music from the best 2 shows out of a 3-show run in late '73 at Boston Music Hall, is a joy to own--a real unique and multidimensional experience, from the cover artwork..to the liner notes...to the superintelligent saloon music contained on the discs. I have no gripes about the release not including the 3rd show (supposedly an "off" night)--the Experience was probably better for that! It is still a document of a real Dead Concert Experience. And that brings me to the last reason for Road Trips: 4) as a way for someone who has been a deadhead faaar longer than i have--and has heard a lifetime's worth of complete shows already--to experience a synthetic distillation of a whole tour into a single night's experience! This WOULD be a real trip, especially if it were a tour one had actually experienced live! ...oh God, this comment was originally about...what?? Oh YEAHHHH, the new Winterland box!...ohhhhhh, i want it more than anything. BeigePeter (ryan)