Madison Square Garden 3/9/81
Madison Square Garden 3/10/81
Madison Square Garden 9/20/82
Madison Square Garden 9/21/82
Madison Square Garden 10/11/83
Madison Square Garden 10/12/83
Newly restored and speed-corrected audio by Plangent Processes
Mastered by Jeffrey Norman
Liners by award-winning music journalist David Fricke
Artwork by Dave Van Patten
Individually Numbered, Limited Edition Of 12,500
“Welcome to the unique, enduring phenomenon of the Grateful Dead in New York City, a mutual devotion, forged in concert, that ran for nearly as long as the band itself—from June 1, 1967, a free show in Tompkins Square Park on the Lower East Side (ahead of the band’s official, local bow at the Cafe Au Go Go), to the Dead’s last Garden run, six nights in October 1994…the Dead’s affinity for New York City…was instant and arguably their most profound with any city aside from San Francisco.” - David Fricke
They got on the bus to the Port Authority, rode in on the Long Island Railroad and the New Jersey Transit line. They traveled North, South, and West on the 1, 2, and 3 subway lines, their numbers growing as they descended upon Penn Station. Some rolled up in those iconic New York yellows. Some walked excitedly through the bright lights of Broadway and Times Square, meeting up with old friends on the way and picking up a few new ones too as they ascended The Garden's stairs. Maybe you were among them - lightly buzzed on the way in, fully aglow on the way home. New York City was in its prime and damn if the Grateful Dead wasn't going to rise up to meet it! If you were there, we call on you to join us as we recapture that MSG magic and if you weren't, we invite you along on the epic journey that is IN AND OUT OF THE GARDEN: MADISON SQUARE GARDEN '81 '82 '83.
Numbered and limited-edition to 12,500, this 17CD set celebrates the band’s rich history at “the world’s most famous arena,” introducing six previously unreleased shows recorded at MSG between 1981 and 1983. It offers a front-row seat to the Dead in the early 1980s, an overlooked and underestimated era of rebirth for the band. At the time of the recordings, the group featured Brent Mydland. Mydland’s vocal power and colorful keyboard palette energized the band, invigorating older material like “The Wheel,” “Truckin’” and “Eyes of The World.” He also gave the band more musical flexibility, which encouraged them to dust off rarely aired treasures like “Dupree’s Diamond Blues” and “Crazy Fingers.”
IN AND OUT OF THE GARDEN touches on the three-year period after 1980’s GO TO HEAVEN was released, a time when the Dead were constantly on the road, playing more than 200 dates. While they were in no rush to return to the studio during this time, they continued to write new music. In 1982 and ’83, the band performed most of the songs that would appear on 1987’s IN THE DARK. The new collection includes performances of four songs from that album – “Touch Of Grey,” “Hell In A Bucket,” “Throwing Stones,” and “West L.A. Fadeaway” – plus the B-side, “My Brother Esau.”
Due September 23rd, IN AND OUT OF THE GARDEN comes in a custom box featuring new artwork by Dave Van Patten celebrating the band’s eclectic fanbase, with a cavalcade of illustrated Dead Heads. The collection also includes detailed liner notes by award-winning music journalist David Fricke, who explores the band’s connection to the Big Apple. It features newly restored and speed-corrected audio by Plangent Processes, mastered by Jeffrey Norman.
First in? Must be because this was hard to find.
Tip off on the DaP42 thread.
Phew. That's saved me a few bob. Enjoy
Fingers crossed for high quality source tapes.
And Away We Go!
But I had to get the 3-CD.
And it has an interesting segue with a Sampson.
No mention of the Saint Steve On 10/11/83?
I know it’s not pristine etc but it was the first one since 1/10/79.
You’d think they’d at least mention it.
Plangentized and Normanized
....did anybody see this coming?
Does anyone know what the source is for these shows? Cassettes? Edison wax cylinders? I imagine the sound quality will be at least acceptable otherwise would they dare to put out a 17 CD box. Don't answer that. 😬
70 USD for int'l shipping!
Last year we paid 16 USD for the 20-CD St Louis box... Sad...
I am a huge fan of these 81 shows and have known the 9/21/82 show a long time and dig it pretty well too. Happy to see this come out as a box.
I have to admit though, I am a little disappointed that they didn't try another matrix like 11-30-80. The Glassberg tapes from the 81 shows outshine the SBDs in many ways. I think the DaP 8 matrix sounds superb and wish they would have done that here.
Wah wah wah - signed, another picky deadhead
I had a cassette of 10/11/83 set II. One of my first tapes. It was labeled "Garden Meltdown". It does sound lysergic!
For me personally, although there is some gold in these there MSG hills, my first impression is I may pass on this full box, on cost alone. Converting my local pesos into USD, and adding in the international shipping - which blows at the best of times, no matter what gets charged - I may pass on this one. Too bad, but thems the breaks.
To those that do get it, I hope it is a killer box set.
Docmarty-there speaks my mind. I was getting a bit worried with all this talk about a 69 box. Wouldn't mind a telescope, though.
I was kind of expecting this, but I thought it would be all the 80's MSG shows.
Better go over to DaP43 quick if you want some 1969.
Will sell fast I'd predict.
Very early acoustic set too!
Was NOT expecting this!!!!! This was a an excellent run of shows.
So, all that is left to be said is
I like this format for these boxes being three years from a city or venue. A bit more affordable and packed with a lot of music. Covers a lot of ground from the era. Seems like ages between box set announcements from last year's. Dave's Picks from 69 looks great too. Incentive to subscribe.
I'm a subscriber so it's no biggie, but the page for Dave's Pucks 43 doesn't seem to work. Did it crash?
It's about the music, obviously, but when the artwork on the package is not to one's taste—in this case not at all, horrific IMHO—it's an instant turn off. Hope the music inside really sings.
...just take my money already, dammit!
I've always wanted 9/21/82 (first show I ever attended) to be released, but after a while I came to doubt that it would ever happen. The show opens on a spectacular note (a strong Playin'>Crazy Fingers??!!) and the level of energy and improvisation at this show are quite notable for any performance during the Band's last 15 years. Some of the song selections are quite melancholically expressed, and others are exuberantly played. I've always thought that Jerry and the drummers in particular were on fire that night. The encore, US Blues, is one I've come to realize as more likely to follow a strong performance. But- no question there's a number of stellar examples of the repertoire in it. No question I'm getting this one. That being said, while I'll be thrilled to get the official release and improved soundboard recording, there's a great matrix rendition of this show online which fans of it shouldn't miss.
I didn't jump on this one right away, but eventually conceded. I would have gladly paid the $179 for DaP43 over this box set.
To me the highlights are the 83 St. Stephen out of Space (clearly) and the 81 Deep Elem. But, I figured that this era is underrepresented in my catalog, so why not give it a shot. With that, my collection of C.C. Riders and Day Jobs will now be way overrepresented.
Yea, the artwork is definitely sub-optimal.
I've been waiting quite a while for more '81, especially these two. March 10 being an absolute craklin' wildfire. While I enjoy 70's GD a little more reined in, not so for the 80s. It's a thicker sound that works more from the overall groove then the individual notes. So less need to keep an eye over the shoulder. In some respects, more akin to 60's primal Dead.
No digital download option?
I too am a little disappointed they didn't try for matrix recordings. That Dave's Picks 8 is one of the best sounding shows that have been released imo. I feel like they could do some amazing work with the cassettes and some good auds. But alas. This fills in a nice gap in my collection and I love the '81-'82 stuff i've heard. Excited for this one - something different. I'll wait to judge the artwork until I have the set in hand. I hope all the 80s fans are grateful for this one.
And we get the '69 people were predicting in the form of two shows in the new Dave's Picks. Great day to be a dead fan!
Sonically, other than the plangent treatment, the better matrix ones really have it all. While soundboards can sound really good, given the choice, I've tended to prefer the ambience and 'you are there in the audience' quality of the better crowd recordings- especially for 80s shows, a number of which I attended. Yes, the soundboards are much closer to that 'on stage' experience, but since (surprise!) I was never on-stage during a Dead show, I don't have the same deep emotional/nostalgic connection to the soundboard 'ambience.' Plus, and I find this much more with the two-track soundboards (vs multi-track ones), the sense of crucial depth-of-field presence I associate with live music is basically missing. Two-track soundboard recordings can still blow my mind, but excellent multi-track, crowd, and matrix recordings (in that ascending order) still more so. Still, I'm more than grateful for what we get, official releases or not.
1stshow - that's great, thanks very much! I had completely missed the announcement for Daves 43- I got the two emails about new releases, but I assumed one was a duplicate of the other announcing the 80's box. Anyway-order in for 69.
Garden always rocked in the old times.
Now get off my lawn.
What are friends for?
I was worried I was bothering you.
I didn't expect both announcements on the same day either.
5Branch- Surprised to see the digital option on both the box and the single show breakout.
I don't think my little computer could handle it! So I'm still a physical product buyer.
Besides I've got to fill that CD cabinet I bought last year.
Cheers to all on this exciting day!
Re-mastered from the original 2-track tapes I'm guessing? GD 2-tracks are generally better than ANYone else's multi-tracks, but they can still be lacking. As always, hoping there is plenty of guitar in the mixes.
MEH, Pass. Crap art work.
Please explain the huge increase in International Shipping Charges.
Yes. Big Yup! I love the Dave's 8 Matrix and given what we know about some 80s soundboards, cassettes, etc., matrixing the whole lot would be a great idea. Someone mentioned Dr. Barry Glassberg's tapes as a good source and I do agree with that. I'll be happy either way though.
both are fantastic
9/20/82 I have never heard
9/21/82 I have heard but don't remember much about except the opening numbers (it's been years)
10/11/83 is joyous
10/12/83 I have never heard
Well done, PTB. Well done.
If you pass this one up, that's your business. But you are passing up some true gold.
GOD BLESS THE GRATEFUL DEAD!!!
Jamming "Draggin' the Line," by Tommy James and the Shondells. Groovy man.
Excited for this purchase - not my fave era (Jerry super high) and cassettes - so I haven't heard quite as much.
Fresh for the ears, looking forward to another premium package from Rhino. Don't think there could be a better company to curate the Dead's legacy. I feel blessed.
a pleasant earworm
Listening to it in 30 seconds...
One of my old partners in crime, Dave R from Rockland County, was a really good taper and a classmate of mine at Duke. He and I would make copies of the shows he recorded on his Sony rig. Can't remember what mikes he used, but they were state of the art at the time. I had a Tandberg TCD 310. First gens off the master for me. That Tandberg was the best deck I ever owned. The run he did (Stanley Pittsburg, Cole Field House, MSG, Boston, and Utica) is absolutely primo. Which brings me to 03/09 and 03/10. These two shows were immaculately recorded by Mr. Dave R...his best effort IMHO. For me, the Rhythm Devils portion of both shows are the stand out. Maybe it's those JBL L45 Flairs withe the 15" woofers. Just like Kodo Drums!
Mrs. Big and I still get get a kick when Bob sings, during "Satisfaction" a confusion that comes out like "And I'm riding my TV". We'll see how these master cassettes stand up to the Dave R tapes. Where are you, Dave?
Having been to all six shows, each have their moments, but return of St Stephen AND Revolution encore the following night are worth the price of admission.
You won't be disappointed! 10-11-83 is worth the price of admission alone from beginning to end
Yeah, I remember the artwork for Dave's Picks 1 really didn't do it for me at the time and I passed on the series for the first couple of years. Not a mistake that I will make again.
I'm glad to get some early '80s shows, but I am hoping the box is a compact size as my wife made yet another comment related to her feeling that my CD collection has sprawled beyond all reason and takes up too much space in the living room when I told her about ordering this box.
Tommy Shondell, nice. Picked up a small box set of just about all his stuff within the last year or so, The Complete Roulette Recordings of Tommy James and the Shondells 1966-1973, lots of good stuff on there including Draggin' the Line. Crystal Blue Persuasion was the song that first really caught my attention for Tommy James, that song just melts my mind in the most pleasant way. Trivia for you readers out there, in the book Sideways, Miles sang Crystal Blue Persuasion while doing karaoke early in the book, hanging with Jack and Maya at a bar in Napa Valley. OK movie, but great book. If you are, were, or may become a middle-aged guy, that book is worth a read, even if you saw the movie.
Imaginative choice of shows. Groovy artwork. And the first preview tracks sound good. Can't wait to hear samples from the other shows and see the box itself.
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…I believe the art department did an outstanding job outside & inside the 2022 formal Boxset! Be prepared to let the whole production workers involved in this 2022 Boxset, the 3CD Set& everything else concerning the new Boxset! All I can say is be prepared to have them
“ Steal your face right off your head”!!!
Have a grateful day everyone! Rock on!
PS : Dave’s Picks #43 1969 is PRIMO Primal Dead with my man, the one an only, “PIGPEN” !!!
2 performances to “get your hands out of your pockets” and prepare your Dancing legs ready to party! “There is nothing like a Grateful Dead concert!gratefuly Looking forward to Dave’s Picks #43 (1969 performances & the. “Madison Square Garden” concerts from 3 different areas! Primo !!!
Take care everyone & peace be with you all!
No, not bothering me at all - you have a great attitude, and thanks for the compliment.
Hopefully this is only Vol. 1!
Check out the following article by writer Kendall Hamilton “The Great 'Touch of Grey' Debate” - an enjoyable read, and always nice to see the Dead get some contemporary press coverage.
70$ for International Shipping Charges (plus the importation fees...) it's a lot of money, but I couldn't resist and so I'm in.
Thank you #LOVEMYGIRL for the coupon!
And now I can go back to what I'm listening to these days: Miles Davis at the Fillmore 1970 (complete East and some West, when he opened for the Grateful Dead).
This is from my days on the road so I'm a happy camper. I look at the set list and they seem "normal" :-)
I like the cover art and I think it will great in hand in album size. This is an album cover that wouldn't work on a cd. The Black Album title might have worked and not already taken by two lesser groups !!!
But the Dead title is spot on, same as Listen to the River.
Thanks for the heads up. Interesting that Dave included one of the shows from the new box in the article - he's a sly fox...
Looking forward to an 80's Spanish Jam!!!
Nice selection of shows, now what source did they use? cassette tape? is this gonna be a matrix with some audience mixed in? who did the recording of these, I'm thinking Healy but just maybe someone else? As previously mentioned there are great audience recordings of these shows and they would really add life to these sound boards if that is what they used as their source.
I think I will wait and see how this one sounds before I plop down 180.00. Like Dennis, these are my glory days, and Jerry was on fire back then. I was at an 82 show in Nov and what I remember is that the band was fast and rockin and the blotter was speedy. Fond memories of these early 80 shows.
Someone commented on this, I’ve become a big fan of this format. At any rate, lots of song variation. Here’s some that stand out from quick glance through:
3 Throwing Stones
2 He’s Gone
2 Stella Blue
2 Black Peter
2 China Doll
Might as Well
The good: I had a 20% discount coupon code.
The bad: For the first time in 20 years one Euro is worth less than one dollar, making this box just that much more expensive.
The bizarre: $70 for international shipping. Will it be sent across the pond using a trained dolphin or will they rent space on a cartel submarine. How can anyone justify charging that much for shipping?