Grateful Dead

...Track Listings
then SEE Blue LINK

Yes, as expected.

Now that I've seen what's on the cassette, I'm even more disappointed that it is only on cassette.

wtf

If the first set is in the vault, it is a shame it was not included with the other two 1981 shows..

I'm holding out for the Enjoying the Ride, All 8-Track Edition.

I picture it like this:

116 beautiful 8-Track tapes, each with beautiful individual artwork, gloriously remastered by Jeffrey Norman. It comes with a portable Plangent Processing Kit in case one of your 8-track gets eaten by your machine and needs to be spliced and taped back together.

It's gonna be great.

Thank you so much, Powers That Be, for (finally) posting the track list!

Now, the only question is: where am I gonna get $600?

lostlivedead.blogspot (dot com) /2010/03/april-4-6-1969-avalon-ballroom-san.html

Vielen Dank
Uncle_Tripel
G.

...so I reread my previous post regarding tracklisting and what might prevent you, (someone), from purchasing this set, aside from cost.

Prior to posting, I reread my post a million times. Once I posted, I reread a million more times. Sigh. I guess I have a difficult time articulating my thought/question.

My question was not to make anyone feel defensive in any way. I guess, in a way, I was being greedy and looking for more insight and understanding about the music. I figured the tracklisting would eventually show up, (happened last night). Once tracklists were posted, I would go back and note whether the "essential" tracks, and other comments that were posted would encourage me, and/or make me happier, if I could commit to this purchase.

So, for example, hypothetically, if someone wrote, "This set means nothing to me without 'Sugar Magnolia' at the Greek", (I'm making this up). Once the tracks were listed, I would look for the Greek date and note whether "Sugar Magnolia" was listed. If it made it, then it would be a GOOD DAY and I would be more excited about this set.

Well, I'm hoping this makes a bit more sense now. Either way, Thank You, if you took the time to read this. AND EXTRA SPECIAL Thank you to Proudfoot; Crow Told Me; and JiminMD. REALLY appreciate your time and thoughts.

Kind Regards to ALL.

I need an 8-track player with a USB cable so that I can plug it into my car stereo.

Like I and others have said, expect the cassette show to eventually appear on vinyl and maybe CD.
The cassette is a schwag bonus for now.
Also, the ALAC downloads are $399. All Music Edition, no schwag.

For what it's worth I tend to look for the jamming songs when I look at set lists. So from the 60's any show with Dark Star, The Eleven, Alligator-Caution, The Other One makes my pupils dilate. Going into the 70's, the songs that survived from that list, plus Playing In The Band, China Cat-Rider and then Eyes of the World. Post 1974 I always tend to look for Help - Slipknot - Franklins.
But I like a lot of other Dead too. The last show I played was 10/9/80, a brilliant acoustic set that was released as a double L.P. for RSD a few years ago. No extensive jamming but the instrumental break in Cassidy is great. As is the whole show.

They covered so many styles over the years, and it may be best not to be too influenced by who likes what. There is a quote I like by the late Daevid Allen, about his band Gong, which I feel could apply to the Dead/Deadheads;
"Whatever Gong may mean to you, it's well possible that it means the very opposite to somebody else. This is very pleasing to me."
Me too.

Now that the track list is done, Thank You!, maybe we could get shipping info 😁

Pancho: good to see ya Bra!
Don’t overanalyze!
If you get confused, just listen to the music play!
Who gives a rats ass what a bunch of us ole bastards got nothing better to do all day cept make our ears bleed, think!
(Man those plangent 8 tracks sound sssweett! ; )
Listen, and make up your own mind!
As your attorney, my advice to you is to drink heavily…oh wait, wrong client, ahem, I mean, my advice to you is to listen heavily!
You can check almost any show on the archive…I’d say, listen intently, maybe repeatedly, see IF YOU like a Show/Year/era/set list, then if you really need to see what others “think” ahem, we’ll then check out the reviews AFTER you’ve completed the above, and made up your own mind!
In fact, I’d say starting out, don’t bother with eras etc: like cute friendly gals, see one ya like, just take a chance, ala Pig, just smile and say “How do ya do” ,
no biggie if you don’t like or fail, plenty of fish in the GD musical sea! Like life, obtain many experiences and your knowledge, especially of what YOU like, will grow logarithmically…
To do otherwise is to possibly miss out on much of what makes all this great!
The journey and all that, versus the destination…

PS, and I mean actually experience life, not read about it on the internet!
Git yo hands outta yo pockets and turn off yo death Ray!

I've looked at both tracklists, the LAGTGD release and the setlists for both nights.

It appears that the 25th is complete, with the exception of the material that appeared on LAGTGD, although Good Lovin' appears on both. And that the 27th includes all the GD only material from that night, with the exception of the material that appeared on LAGTDG, although Casey Jones appears on both.

To OROBOROUS' question:
I'm guessing you're asking about cost of shipping. Shipping for me was $24.99. I'm in Wisconsin, so I don't know if the price varies by where you are in the US.

Hope that's what you were looking for!

I'm not so sure about all that. You don't think The Dead had an identifiable peak - or several peaks more like- that people who haven't heard them before would be best off checking out first ? Just thinking of other artists - if you were to pick a random album out by Dylan or The Stones you could pick one that wasn't too good, or one that was amazing. If you already like those artists, then all of what they do is of interest, but not if you are just starting out.

The first Hendrix album I got was a budget one called "The Eternal Fire of..." with Curtis Knight. Great cover photo of the man in all his psychedelic glory - but the music enclosed was recorded well before he found his style. Luckily I heard Electric Ladyland next...

YeeeeaaaaH! They're posted now, and that 1982 filler looks killer, Shakedown Street!
Speaking of which I need to sort of add on to Poncho's ponderings about specific songs. Regarding any 1980s Dead, the Brent shows, I look for "Shakedown Street(s)" and "Feel Like a Stranger(s)" feverishly. As they were newer era songs of the time that weren't overly long 'jams' of 2nd set nature but these were not short snappy tunes neither.
Both songs had varying lengths of instrumental codas and were focal points of shows, mainly 1st & 2nd set openers. This 60th Big Box seems to be heavy on the "Shakedowns" which is cool because the song itself is a rarity in the Dave's series.

I was eagerly awaiting the responses to Poncho's question since I have only been a subscriber the past five years, though a long time head. I've got a handful (shelfful) of the yearly Big Boxes too.
I gotta say I am truly Grateful & dig all the insight from all who post here. Also I totally agree with Daverock about 1960s acid test long jam Dead and the mention of full Help~Slip~Frank(s). Though I would also add "Birdsong" from any {applicable} era {Keith & Donna, Brent, or Vince} Dead. It's another good mid range jam song not too long or short.

****{edited for accuracy}****

I understand the issues folks have with the cassette, and there’s a lot more comments about it on the other (SH) site. Honestly, it’s not a big deal to me. I have an old deck, but I’m not sure I’d put the tape in it, as I haven’t used it in years. I’m sure I’ll find someone that could rip it for me. Either that, or I’ll eventually find a digital version that I can download. In any event, I’ve waited almost 56 years for it to be released. A few more months won’t matter much.

GRATEFULGERD

...ist doch kein problem

Higazo: thanks, but no that’s not it, which is what’s frustrating because at purchase the shipping cost of 60 something is stated, but not how it will be shipped: UPS, FedEx, USPS etc…I know not a thought/problem to most of the millions that receive home delivery, but for those that can’t/don’t, receiving ANYTHING is a stupid, stressful, frustrating experience, that frankly, doesn’t have to be!
They know the cost since it’s stated, so guessing they know how it’s getting shipped?Starting to seem like passive/aggressive nonsense about some of this…maybe riling up the hand that feeds is funny or something?

Daverock: I love ya, but I totally disagree. I get you mean well, but you yourself would say “who’s peak”? (And intent is here is just friendly conversation like we’re at the pub with a pint)
I rank certain peaks extremely high that you wouldn’t even listen to, so who’s right? I’d say we both are…and maybe Pancho will determine something else completely.
Your already trying to bias the dude. Let ‘em like what HE likes, not what YOU like, or THINK is “best”, one one man gathers what another man spills!
I mean who cares if 89% of the population says “this is terrible” but someone thinks it’s the best, so what, if they dig it, why do you care?
I mean honestly, your kinda being hypocritical after all the words you’ve written over the years saying basically same thing?
I think folks should go on their own adventures and figure out what they like, not what Daverock, Hendrixfreak, Doc, PF, VGUY, Jim, Me or even DL likes (just for example, certainly no offense ment to anyone and I do enjoy their, as well as most opinions, just not when it turns into politics/dogma) “That’s crap, this is great” or worse, etc…my favorite: there’s absolutely nothing worth listening to after 197? fill in the blank. But hey, to each his own eh!
As the old saying goes, beauties in the eye/ears of the beholder.
And, I also think there’s so much inaccurate bias saturating the Net that many folks miss out on stuff that THEY might have found extra enjoyable, because they just excepted what they read, without even trying to find out for themselves.
Why does listening to the Dead so often have to end up a contest?
There is no right or wrong, best or worst, only opinions that attempt to make it so. Or so I’ve had forced down my pie hole for years: “every opinion counts”.
So it’s great that we all love the band/music beyond description so much, and it’s fun to compare notes etc, maybe let’s not love it to death lol ; )
Again, just one and probably only one opinion lol
(Poor guy be all mixed up by the time we’re through with him lol)

Edit: philosophical question. If you hadn’t heard the lessor Hendrix, perhaps Lectric Ladyland wouldn’t have had as profound effect? Hell, what would be wrong if “someone” thought the lessor one was their favorite?

Well, I have to think that the kind folks behind the curtain heard that customers wanted to know precisely what they're getting and delivered the disc by disc setlist. Well played. They listen! I'm grateful.

I don't....... hey Oro, when you say something will "grow logarithmically" I feel like I gotta look for growths on my body! Doooooooood! You're killing me! I laughed (in a nice way).

Hey, I'm with ya in regards to disregarding others' tastes, except when it opens things up rather than turn 'em off.

Along those lines, I attended many GD shows in the '80s and got crazy at some of them due to the excellent music. Some, poor Jer was not in peak form. I have to admit that, at this juncture, I have only so much time for many pursuits, only one of which is listening to GD tapes in context with so much other music and other activities -- so that to be clear, I can enjoy almost any era but now have to focus more on my sweet spot. Hell, I've heard 90s tapes that sounded pretty hot. So I'm skipping the box as I'll never have time for it all and its pricey. I don't buy clothes, furnture, etc., but CDs and books are my kryptonite. (You don't think that has anything to do with why I'm, uh, single, do you?)

That said, someone will help me out with the choice Grease era. You know who you are, there's more than one of you and thank you.

Anyway, lovin' the recent addition of many commenters and their angles. Listen: Oro is right. Don't let anyone convince you that your ears are "wrong." Especially me! (See below.) Just enjoy.

Hey, even HF digs the Curtis Knight tapes, just not as much as the Timothy Leary tapes. (Tee hee...) At least the Curtis Knight tapes include live sets with Jimi in ~65-66, just before he popped as a star in his own right. In fact, Jimi's straight ahead R&B sets with Curtis have a lot of real nice Jimi on rhythm and lead. The studio stuff, not so much.

Cheers! Rock on! Resist!

HF

I'm not suggesting that out tastes should be dictated by other people, just that if we are interested in listening to a new artist there might be better starting points than others. To pick someone I know absolutely nothing about, lets say, Mozart. If I was going to buy a cd of his music tomorrow, would there be a few that might be recommended ? Or are they all equally good as a starting point? Bearing in mind that this purchase might be the only piece of music I will ever hear by him - or might be the start of listening to everything he ever wrote.
I would think that if someone was curious about The Dead, they wouldn't listen to shows from every year of their existence. More likely that they would pick something out - if they like it, look for more, and if they don't just forget about them.
Maybe it depends on whether we think artists have peaks or not.

Very thoughtful post, daverock, IMHO. I hear what you say. I'd have to think hard whether any introductory samples blocked further interest in a band. Why yes, I don't dig Keller Williams (looping's not my thing). I may have heard like one or two Phish trax and not really interested. (Vguy won't jump on me for that, will he??) Yet other bands I persisted on and became, um, a freak about. On the GD front, my brother got American Beauty and Skull and Roses upon release and seriously wore out the grooves -- so that was a propitious start to a career as a rabid Deadhead. However, per my prior post, I'm kinda sorta exiting the rabid phase after only 54 years and, frankly, my (and possibly our) days are numbered. So now my strategy is selectivity.

I'm guessing this old forum will quiet down a bit when that Big Box hits mailboxes. Meanwhile, here's to spirited discussion!

HF

... all should be commercially available and not too expensive - there's loads beyond this, obviously:

1. Live Dead
2. Europe '72
3. Reckoning (to get the acoustic flavor, Ripple and other 'historical' tracks)
4. Nightfall of Diamonds (an excellent example of later era Dead)

Cheers, All

I have to throw a couple of historic 'live' albums in the ring too! They were released just right before the Dick's Picks series was incarnated and the Dead were still actively touring.
Top of the list is 'One from the Vault', that classic (complete show) 1975 San Francisco premiering, and apparently a widely traded cassette tape from back in the day. I heard it was broadcast over the radio waves, so anyone could've taped it!
Next is "Without a Net" which is perhaps one of the pinnacles of all 'chop shows' & certainly set the bar for late Brent era releases till "Spring'90" in 2012 & 2014.
I also agree with "Live Dead" and "Europe'72" and don't forget the "Skull & Roses" album. Them last few are good primal and early Keith era. Yada, yadda,..

Got to add in '74 for good measure.

Edit: Oh, and some 1970
Edit 2: 68 is grrreat!
Edit 3: High Voltage 80's makes a great palate cleanser
(I better quit this edit stuff while I'm still young) I guess I'm that person that find a little good in just about anything.
Once in a while you get shown the light, right?

Enjoying the banter, lots to sink your teeth into while pondering the finer points of life and what to listen to while we ponder.

Your mileage may vary!

I wish that was the one they chose put on the cassette.

Thank you for the track listing. I’m satisfied with the contents of the box set. Fully acknowledging that most of the later releases will never get much, if any, play time. There’s plenty of novelty songs. Who knows when I will get the urge hear a Good Golly, Miss Molly, or Lucy in the Sky. So, I am glad to have them.

Is it more than I want to spend? Yup. Unfortunately, like other things, it’s the price of admission these days.

I went to see the Outlaws in concert a couple of months ago. Essentially, I paid $50 to see them play Green Grass and High Tides. I view this release in much the same way. You want a taste of some older stuff and 7/13/84? That will be $600 please.

I agree with all these posts, and DR for sure.
Just riffing here.
But theoretically, it is still a bias lol
Not that that’s bad.
But hey, everything has bias, no getting around it…

Edit: oh, and of course either approach doesn’t have to be binary, there can be shades of gray, a blend. A continuum…Person A might prefer to just be dropped in the middle of the woods, while B wants to be led directly to the best glamping spot.
While someone else might like some suggestions about prime spots, but do the final leg work on the ground. As long as folks are having fun, it’s all good, chever way your pleasure tends!

PS, I’m sure your method would be considered the “normal” route, I’m just trying to liven the joint up lol

...it matters to anyone

my 1st GOGD LP record album was
purchased in 1976...oh, maybe, real early in 1977?
lol
roll another one, just like the other one
you been holding onto it, and I sure would like a hit
THOSE were the DAYS!

looking back on that LP
it really did cover all the bases,
at the time
a great introduction IMO
to the band and their musical styles
and that's why I have stayed-on this BUS for
so many years

"Skeltons from the Closet: The Best of The Grateful Dead"
11 tracks
studio and "live" recordings
all members of the band pre-Mydland
and don't forget: Bear - Betty - Matthews - Healy - Norman

yes sir, quite the evolution
from a single LP purchase
to a 60 CD box
my, oh, my
Summertime :)

There is a new picture of the box up. Looks pretty cool.

Here's hoping there are no retaliatory tariffs imposed on importing Grateful Dead boxes by the UK!
That is, any more than are usual

My first GD show was 9/18/82 - Boston
My last time was 10/2/94 - Boston

Disc 19 is 9/15/82 - Landover, I just missed it.
Disc 20 is 10/3/94 - Boston, I just missed it again.

Thanks for a real good time!
GA1963

That's what HE said.
Ba dum tsst

I'm here all night folks.
Try the veal.

SIxtus

Now that I see the Track Listing for this release, I do have a question for David Lemieux for the '69 shows...
Why did you you choose ONLY 4 tracks from 6/7/69 ? Especially when you have a legendary moment with Janis jumping in on Lovelight at the end??
Actually, 6/5/69 is missing St. Stepen>The 11> Lovelight (50+ minutes!)
6/7/69 is missing 7 tracks after Dark Star including the 21 min Lovelight w/Janis
6/8/69 is missing 3 tracks that include special guests Jr Walker All Stars

Was it more important to focus on 60 CD's as opposed to the full shows of these historic early ('69) performances?

Full disclosure, I purchased immediately before the specific Track Listings were available. I'm not sorry that I did, I still look fwd to the box, but really thought Janis would be included just like the Allman Brothers were included in the RFK '73 show release.

Is it too late to include the missing stuff as a digital download for the "6,000" that purchased?

Janis was really a big part of the early dead and we still have nothing to hear from it....except our bootleg tapes.

Always prefer full shows too, but my glass is way more than half full from what we're getting from 6/7/69. As DougTheDude once said, "Lovelight really isn't the highlight here, as giddy as it is… Try those 3 opening acoustic numbers [first live Dire Wolf , Dupree's, Mtns of the Moon] - especially the lovely mini-jam out of Mountains of the Moon. The Dark Star treads along some sinister, paranoid ground." David Dodd commented, "Hunter's Fennario in Dire Wolf is a rural, wooded, marshy region of the imagination, which bears no particular relation to the actual geographic Fenario referred to in the Peggy-O folk song lyric & its variants." . . . Bring 'em on!

And there's always the good soundboard of the whole show on the Archive w Janice guesting on the 20 minute Lovelight.

Resist.

Agree about the bias, truly shocking! Particularly when you think of the all those incendiary early 70s shows at the Shoreline Amphitheatre they've chosen to leave out. Then there's the memorable 68 run at Alpine Valley, not to mention the sixties Red Rocks shows. What planet are they on?

And the track selection? Shameful. I've heard rumours of incomplete tapes and copywrite issues, but who are they kidding? It's a conspiracy and they've deliberately left out Janis!

Come on guys, please try to see this release for what it is, not what it isn't. There isn't an inexhaustible supply of Dead shows from all eras, some years are already running painfully low. They're trying to keep the release programme going for years to come, not blow it all in one big box. I don't doubt there are better shows from the same venues, but perhaps they're saving them for other boxes, or individual releases. Perhaps they don't have the tapes, or don't have complete tapes. Some of the comments here sound like the box is a concerted effort to upset people. It is simply impossible to produce a box that appeals to all.

No wonder it took them so long to put up the track list. I can't imagine anyone even vaguely involved in the project dares to read this site, and to be honest, I kind of hope they don't.

Each Dave's Picks release is 25k units, this is 6k units. That means they know that 75% of people who buy Dave's Picks won't buy this, so there's a 75% chance that YOU won't buy it. And let's face it, if you don't, you'll be at least $600 better off.

You know all the tracks now, even though you knew most of them before. Buy it, consider buying it, or move on. The offering is not going to change, but some of the comments here make it sound like an act of treachery.

Lets go S.F. Giants! Great time of year.

Nobody puts me in the corner and calls me a 75%'er!

Just noticed that the bonus material includes ftp touch of grey.

Not sure if anyone has holes to fill in their Dick's Picks (1, 32, 36) and Road Trips (v1.1, v1.2, v3.3, v4.3) but looks like they've restocked over at real gone. I got an email about a 20% savings by entering that number in the discount. I am all set but figured I'd pass it along. Was hoping for some vinyl I missed out on, but none of the GD variety...

I posted that here the other day.
Was on the fence.
Got the 20% e-mail.
Got that Road Trip I was missing.
Thanks RGM, I don't buy them off fleabay.
Cheers

MLB Opening Day. Time to play the 1993 GD Star Spangled Banner at Candlestick with Jerry, Bob, and Vince. Priceless!

I had not realized that Landover 9/82 was the first. In my mind like forever I had it at Veneta several weeks earlier but that was only Day Job and West LA. What is really something about that Landover debut is that they played it as an encore!!

Not to pick nits but the GD's run at the Rocks started with the two-nighter in July '78 (released). They did another two-nighter at the end of August (not particularly memorable, en route to Egypt), one night in '79 (a blazer, in the new box), then 82, 83, 84, 85 and 87. For better or for worse, I managed to attend every single one of them. Even as a young hooligan, I found three-nighters quite challenging. At the Rocks, the concrete rows slope slightly 'backwards,' so you often ended up with sore calves the next day. Three nights and even youngsters had to rest mind and body.

It was in the 82-85 period at the Rocks that, having seen Jer and the GD perform for a solid 10 years, I noticed something was amiss but I couldn't figure out what. Well, we later learned what was amiss. Jer seemed a bit out of synch.

And, yes, I am crispy these days. Just felt compelled to point out the GD at Rocks facts.

As you were, HF

boxset, oh boxset
incendiary topic
to get or not get

MORE GD

if you can afford it

Guess what Hendrixfreak, there were no Shoreline Amphitheatre shows in the 70s either!

What I trying to say, is see the box for what it is, it's not 20 DaPs and it's not 30 Trips, it's 20 venues, with the Avalon as a late addition, making it 21. It's not an attempt to spread 20 shows evenly across Dead eras. The vault of shows to they have to draw on is not unlimited, and will continue to reduce. They need to make the classic era's last, or we're going to have years of DaPs where it's mostly 80s and 90s shows. There are lots of different tastes in Dead circles and, over time, they release something for almost everyone.

Lets try not to complain when what they release is not to our own personal taste, because it will be to someone elses.

That makes me wonder if it was a bit rash to release 20 shows in one box. If the shows from the classic years had been released individually, over a period of time, they would possibly have sold more of them than including them in a box with so many shows from the 80's and 90's. They would also have extended the possible life of Dave's Picks simply by preserving more shows for possible future release.
The price and diversity of this box will necessarily put some people off. It does me. But others do like a big box, I suppose. But if, as Smyler points out, and which makes sense, the releasable shows won't last forever, why release so many of them in one fell swoop?

As has already been suggested, the way to go on this one is to share custody. After agonising since the announcement, my friend in Frisco (I'm UK based) proposed we go halves on the purchase; he gets physical custody of the Box and I get my choice of the discs's and we both get rips of the whole collection. I'm the one with a decent tape deck, a Nakamichi, I get custody of the cassette.

As has already been suggested, the way to go on this one is to share custody. After agonising since the announcement, my friend in Frisco (I'm UK based) proposed we go halves on the purchase; he gets physical custody of the Box and I get my choice of the discs's and we both get rips of the whole collection. I'm the one with a decent tape deck, a Nakamichi, I get custody of the cassette.

Leave it to me to miss the comic nuances.

Is that Smile-er as in the 12-hour frozen smile? Man if I had a nickel for each of the aftermaths in which my face muscles hurt from smiling too much, I might have ... dunno, a dollar?

At least I can laugh at myself. Plenty of material.

To daverock's point, I kinda hope we're past the "big dump" era of the 60th, as the concept of this box seems a bit of a stretch. I'll hold out for the primal box. Even, say, 10 CDs, would be plenty for me. I'd still hope for full release of those '69 shows in the new thing-y.

And hats off to Sixtus for "that's what HE said." Made me ... smile(r).

Cheers, back to the crunches and PT, HF