Grateful Dead

Okay, last one from me on this topic.

Truly appreciate you ALL! Reading your thoughts and sharing.

My last bit of clarification, after this, I'll PM instead of general posting.

Compared to SO many on this board, I really feel like a novice at appreciating the different periods of GD. I do know that I REALLY enjoy the Fillmore 1969 box. No doubt that would be my favorite sound. When I posed my question it was similar to my beginning years of buying music, (vinyl). I still collect a lot of music and I still work hard at keeping it all. Sigh. Still have my first vinyl purchased in fifth grade, (Santana III). FANTASTIC album!! I seriously began buying albums during middle school. I would skip lunch and use my 'lunch money' to save and buy albums. I might only know one or two songs on the album. I didn't want to feel like I wasted my money, so I almost forced myself to like and appreciate every track on every album. It worked, most of the time.

Later in life, I used to DJ weddings and parties. People wanted disco or other types of dance music. I had to purchase a lot of music that I might not necessarily purchase. Again, in order to not feel like I wasted my money, I had to learn, listen and find ways to appreciate music, sounds, instruments, beats, vocals, just different things. I maybe digging Robin Trower or Mahogany Rush on my own time, but I still had to buy and spin Pablo Cruise or Donna Summer. I learned to look for, and find something about, whatever I bought or heard, and just learn to like and appreciate it.

...with this backstory, I asked the GD question about this 60th box. I know what I like, (Genesis reference, anyone?), but when I read and learn from what you all post, I go back and try to figure out, "how can I like this more"? "How can I appreciate this more"? If someone mentions a track and period, I'll go back and try it again and see what happens. Sometimes it works...other times.......

I dig Coltrane, but there were some pieces that I listened to for about a minute, and I thought to myself, "Nope. Not ready for this". I took it off. Came back to the same track years later, and then it was "WOW! YES!". I love that feeling!

It took me about three attempts, over the span of 12 years or so, perhaps longer, before I began to 'get' something for myself about GD music.

...in the end, I'm just looking for insights from you all. I believe there is always bias in everything, but any "bad" bias, I'll skip over. Right now, I'm just looking for "good" bias from you all.

So thank you for your time, wisdom and patience.

....oh and finally, not in any mean way or anything, but "Pancho", please. Not "Poncho".

Pancho Pantera is homage to a favorite drink growing up when I was a little kid. We didn't have the "Nestle's Quik" Rabbit. I had Pancho Pantera. (if you are curious............)

Appreciate your time.......Thank you DaveRock. Thank you RYXS. Thank you Oroborous. I believe you replied to my post about "His Three Daughters". I wanted to share this because it was a great film, but also because I thought the GD reference would be appreciated. For me, the BEST GD references came from "Freaks and Geeks". (Oroborous, I was going to reply, but that was when Mary had the 'little mishap' with this board and a lot of the posts were lost).

Hope everyone has a BEAUTIFUL day.

Kind regards.

YES,YES,YES!

Guardians win in extras!

My guess is a chess set.

....we're going to suck this season, so I'll take any W I can get.

A rolling tray & a roach clip!

Been wondering. Are they gonna make this just exactly perfect? By unearthing a secret trove of TDK SA90's as the medium, for the cassette?

There is plenty left in the Vault

These guys played roughly 2300 shows over 30 years.

Have they released a bunch of the big ones? For sure. But, it was just two years ago they released the HCS Box, not too shabby. One of my favorites so far.

Hang in there and enjoy. I am sure more to come.

Pancho

Anything prehiatus is where you should focus. Plenty of goodies during and post-hiatus, but anything 72, 73, 74 is where you should start.

Listen to THAT

6/10/73
11/11/73
8/27/72

I'll refer you to anything you want

What about GAINESVILLE?!?

'67 - '68: Any / All
'69: Ark / Tea Party
'70: Any / All
'71: 1-2 more each from spring and fall/winter
'72: Fall Box (bring it on !)
'73: First 6 shows & 12.18 (w/19th re-released complete alongside)
'74: International Ampitheater + upgraded 6.16 & 6.18.74
'75: Bob Fried Memorial Boogie (coming soon, hopefully)
'76: Orpheum run + Indianapolis (personal bias)
'77: Terrapin Album + remainder of March Winterland goodness
Another couple from early '79 (1.10 &/or 15) or perhaps late '78
EDIT, '80: GAINESVILLE ! 😉
'81 & or '82 Greeks + '82 Frosts (as noted previously)
Summer '85 (for me, most specifically 6.30 & 7.1.85)
Spectrum 03.24.86 (with discs from Hampton)
Sam Boyd LV shows (under-represented)
2ND EDIT (not tongue in cheek though): '89 Greek last two dates - 1st night is, IMO, Meh
Early '90 Chinese New Years shows Oakland (loved these)
More from '91: With &/or without Bruce (Sac as personal bias, but also more fall Boston, etc.)

All, or almost all, of these are very do-able.
Meaning: there is plenty of gold left to mine ...

Thanks, DL & Co.!

Who cares what's on it as long as it smells as a cassette should?!
I want it to waft out when I open that box lid and take me beck 50+ years
Proust eat your heart out!

I wonder if I sent a blank to deadnet they would do me a copy of this cassette ? Possibly not.

Pancho - nice to see Santana 111 get a mention. I agree - a great album. You probably know, but a few years ago it was re-released as a double cd with the 7/4/71 show from the Fillmore West on the 2nd cd. Great sound, great music.

...Box
thanks for the pic

Opening Day...
Red Sox win
O's win
Fightin's 10 inning win
baseball will save me this summer from
all those other distractions

A heads up (pun intended):
Dave posted a 2nd listening party & another seaside chat in the usual spot. His seaside chat - more like man cave chat - is brief & largely talks about this 2nd listening party. He does add that the box set sales are "brisk" & more than anticipated. No pressure there to pull the trigger, eh?

I still regret no picking up boxzilla before it sold out, so jumped on this the morning it was introduced.

Only just realized that this box emulates the cassette collections from ye olde tape trading daze.
Some partial shows, some complete shows, gaps in years waiting to be filled.
Man smart…

Here's yer Playin'>Terrapin over that one in the box.

XL2 side A only with a minor drums at end.

A good five years ago or more Dave L said that a fall '72 box "has to happen at some point."

Here's hoping it happens before they fit me for the pine box.

P.S. The SQ on that selection from 8-12-79 is a little underwhelming. I may to search out the cassette my late buddy recorded at the show.

Cheers!

Shall we all wait for the second marshmallow?!

A pair of dice to hang in your auto. How tacky is that? At least they're not red and furry.

...will ALL of these shows be released individually, or are the 6000 who buy this box set the only ones who'll ever get to own these recordings?

I was listening to Dave in the new chat talking up the 3/20/77 Row Jimmy. So I got to thinking about my personal favs of that song and how many I own, over what eras, etc., ....
I just realized this is a 2nd set version of the tune, and that in itself seems a bit of a rarity? Maybe others that know better could clue me in, if they know off the top their head. I'm not ready to take a deep dive into my go to web sites for hours clicking, etc., ...

P.S. A few good Jimmy's,... Vancouver B.C. '73, Seattle '74, Cornell '77, Deer Creek '90, Dave's #53, Dave's #47{Jer's vocal a bit off}, Dave's #50, Devil's Box, ...... et. al, ....

From the Sunshine Box, I think I found another 2nd set Jimmy. Funny I never noticed that one before, it's in my collection. That's what happens I guess when one (such as myself) goes crazy from making hundreds of 'chop shows' (playlists) out of all the Dead purchases I do. DOH!

Gonna get there, I don't know...

We can't forget 2/24/74 Winterland.

WRS Prelude
WRS Part 1
Let It Grow
Row Jimmy

And Pancho, 2/24/74 is a great place for your mind to spend the day. A terrific release and one of the best Dave's Picks to date. If you don't have, archive dot org does... the recording is quite good on this one.

Then I suppose I would rather have a cassette tape than a toy drum or some reprinted tickets. I've said many times that I would gladly accept fewer or none trinkets if it meant more music or cheaper prices, but the trinket model seems pretty entrenched. So, yeah, a cassette. Why not? And besides, we know some kind person will digitize it and post it online, so we will get to hear the show. Eventually.

Still kind of hemming and hawing on this one, even though (now that the track list is up) I'm pretty well convinced that there's enough great music here so that I'll be kicking myself for years to come if I don't grab one of these. $600 is just so much money. And, like HF said, I'm not even sure I've got enough time left on this planet to get through all 60 discs (let alone the cassette).

So spending a lot of free time lately wondering what I could sell on craigslist to make a couple hun, and where I would put this humongous (and pretty cool looking) box if I do come up with the scratch. Wish me luck.

Random question: I was just listening to DiP 19 (10.19.73) and for the first time I noticed what sounds like a celeste or maybe a glockenspiel that appears out of the mists for just a few seconds on Dark Star. So my question for you is: did that really happen? Or has my brain finally melted down to nacho cheese whiz? Or (another possibility) do I just need new speakers?

PS: And btw that Greek meteor was real, maaaan! Don't try to tell me any different.

7/8/90 Three Rivers Stadium, Pittsburgh

A great Row Jimmy with Garcia showcasing some really fine singing!

which is not always my favorite tune (when the tempo is too slow/draggy)
>>>
is DP Salt Lake City 02.28.73 - the first cut on disc 4; it is in the 2nd set.

This one is quicker/fresher and is just right to my ears - although some of the spring '77 versions with Jerry killin' it on 'slide' do it for me as well ...

... for # of times Row Jimmy landed in the 2nd Set - There are another 5 from the 1980 acoustic/electric shows that are technically 'set 2', but are from the first electric set of the 3 done on those evenings.

There are lots of All Time great shows on that list of 24 (29), including 11.17.73, 12.18 & 19.73 late in the year.
Most were performed between Feb and Sept '73, which makes sense. Then they pretty much made it a permanent fixture in set 1 - with just 4 (edit: 9) in 1974, including two from Feb Winterland plus 6.18 (& five listed as set 3, due to Seastones) including the great 06.28.74.

The 3.20.77 version in this box is the last true 2nd set one (ref: note above as to 3 Warfield, Saenger N'Orleans, and Radio City)

Wowza!
Special thanks to Strat-Wolf for the detailed analysis, I am surprised by the high number of shows that it was done, as well the small window of time they did it in. Mainly in the song's infancy, which makes sense. Good mention of that one Salt Palace `73 Dick's Picks too, and an excellent version of the song there, 2nd set no less.
Also a good call by Jim about that early Dave's Pick from the Winterland 1974, seems like a real nice song sequence. I missed out on that one in 2015. I did however get the #42 with bonus disc.
Last thought is Jonathan's mention of Pittsburgh 1990. I haven't heard that one yet but would give it an enthused listen from what I already know off Dave's #40. It would seem that July run was a good bunch of shows. A pinnacle of late era Brent, right before that sudden tragedy. Rest his soul.

41 years ago I was up at the tiny Marin Veterans Auditorium for a knockout evening with the Good old Grateful Dead. The Dead did "Oh Babe It Ain't No Lie", very cool. Fun times!

It's not a favourite song of mine either, but they played it at 2 of the 5 shows I saw, on 3/24/81 and 10/30/90, and on each occasion I found it spell binding. Highly unlikely that either version are among the best played, so it must have been something about being there among other people. I remember people dancing to it - really slowly of course. Quite mesmeric.

Crow Told Me for the immortal question:

"... has my brain finally melted down to nacho cheese whiz?"

Personally, I had not previously contemplated this substance, still a mystery to science. But it's hell cleaning up afterwards. And can be a bit embarrassing when it drips from your ears at the actual show and you're surrounded by people with tortilla chips in their hands...

I too detest the trinkets! Do not need a tiny drum. I do need normal-sized CD packaging ala Dave's Picks (arrgghh Here Come Sunshine) and modest-sized boxes. Even 20 discs is a lot to properly digest. (Maybe I should bang on the tiny drum for that 10-disc '66-'68 box I keep harping on?)

Of course, they don't call me before making these decisions.

Phone rings. I pick it up. "Yes? HF here..."
"HF, it's Dave L. If I let you select the shows for Grease Box, will you stop posting totally inane stuff on dead.net?"
"Dave, I need help. Somebody stop me before I scribble on the forum again... But, um, yeah, I could make that sacrifice. Now, about those banana crates...."

The sad truth about trinkets is that if they were left out price would NOT go down one cent!

How much could that drum cost?

Kinda like when you bring in somebody to a job at the house. Let's say to "shampoo the rugs",,, they want 100 buck. This will get the furniture moved out and in and the rugs cleaned. If you say I'll move the furniture in & out, they'll say 95 bucks. But if you brought them in to move the furniture and you do the shampooing, it be 100 bucks. The part you're willing to do is never worth anything!

Same with trinkets,,, no price reduction for not getting. But if you buy the "wolf guitar magnet", it's 25 bucks!

I'll take the trinkets,,,, trinkets (and book) make it a box set! :-)

..... sidebar,,,, I like Row Jimmy a lot!!!

I seem to recall a good one from 1993, Las Vegas. Don't have the exact date.

Row Jimmy is a cool tune,. Lots of great versions. 12/28/79 is a good version,

....dude has good taste.
Dusted off 2.24.74 DaP 13, which includes a Row Jimbo. Noted the Bill Graham introduction. "Whatevers going on in the rest of the world, if its wars, or kidnappings or crimes, this is a peaceful Sunday night with the Grateful Dead."
sigh....that hit hard.

I LOVE my wave drum from the Devil's box. My second Box purchase, after HCSS. I have spent hours mastering the perfect sound of waves crashing on the shore, such a mellow sound. If things start getting a little out of control, I pull out the drum, create new mellow sounds, and come back to earth. I have even played it during several Drums/Space interludes, and it definitely enhanced the experience and also improved this sequence. I have also taped these on cassette, so if anyone on this thread would like to hear this exceptional music, send me money and I will forward the cassettes in a big wooden box. You will not be disappointed!

.....thanks for the laugh. Good one.
Need address to send money.

....Enhance!

First, Dennis: I'd pay a little more to have them REMOVE the freakin' "drum" from '78 box!

Rasta: Yes, laughed out loud. Send address. I'll send 1,000 pennies.

Vguy: Love ya man!

Dave L: You never call! Is it something I said?

HF to HF: Will you step away from the freakin' keyboard, crack a beer or something?

I still have a few issues of the GD Almanac that came in the mail.

Winter 2004, Vol. 12, Number 1 announces the GD Movie DVD ($29.95) and CD Soundtrack ($35), JGB 2-28-80 Keen College ($25), Festival Express DVD ($24.98), and DP 33 ($25).
There is a page that has the CD Back catalog, and it includes DP 1-32.
Here’s the breakdown for the series DP 1-36:

1 CD $13 x 1
2 CD $18 x 6
3 CD $21 x 9
4 CD $25 x 9
6 CD $33 x 1

Total: 112 CD’s for $778 = $6.95/CD.

According to calculator-dot-net $6.95 in 2005 = $11.35 in Feb 2025.

So, at 60 CD’s for $600, this Box is consistent with historical pricing when adjusted for inflation.

I decided to spin all my DP CD’s in order to see if they all still play (all my CD’s are on a music player in ALAC format that I use to listen).
Currently am on DP7, CD 3, Dark Star as I type this and drink some coffee.
So far, all CD’s have played without error on a Cambridge Audio AXC35 CD player.

You could fill a podcast with some of the bantor on these forums.

Novato, Ca 94949
I miss sending MO's to this address.

1313 Mockingbird Lane
Got-Yer-Hometown-Right-Here, Colo.
01968

Announcing the return of BANTOR, the ever-spewing story monger and his Superior Mistress Supertwat.

I have only begun to spew, HF

Oh how I miss sending PO's to Novato.

They had a really good thing going. One year at Alpine I got first, second and third row tickets for the three night affair and I brought my 35mm camera for good measure. I seem to recall sending money orders to get post Jerry tickets as well. Was it The Dead, Further, something else? Whatever it was it was short lived and just could not survive monopolistic tendencies. Monopolies and Oligarchs are fully in control now, heaven help us. Set the controls for the heart of the vault!

Release more 68 or we shall be forced to taunt you a second t-time (or tunnel under the vault ourselves).

Oh, and the original title for Row Jimmy was Row JiminMD, which explains my bias.

Edit: and if you are wondering what happened to those fantastic pictures I took of Jerry and the boys from such good seats, my ex-wife threw away all my entire photo collection because they also contained pictures of my ex-girlfriends.. all my childhood photos sit in a pile decomposing in the Garrett County Landfill. Tragic. My ticket stub collection met the same fate.

I've got a box in my attic with photos of my brother and various girlfriends. His wife has no idea.

I've always been really interested in photos of girlfriends ex partners/husbands etc. And in hearing about them. Seems silly to me to pretend such people never existed or mattered - I've felt that way at least since I was about 30.

Last year I went on holiday with my current wife, my former partner, her current partner, my daughter and her partner. We all had a jolly good time together and there are photos to prove it. I guess it helped that my former partner and I didn't end our relationship acrimoniously.

RGM Road Trip ordered Thursday, out for delivery Monday.
Fully email documented all the way.
Now that's good service!
Cheers

Sometimes it bums me out thinking about it, but really one cannot get hung up on things outside our control. Or at least we can try not to.

After all.. at least she didn't get my box sets in the divorce. There's a reason they are called GRATEFUL Dead. We have much more to be grateful for.

Speaking of which.. I belly ached for a tiny second about the cost of the MothraBox. But now we have something just shy of 100 hours of newly remastered sonic goodness coming our way. That's something to be grateful about.

Ah.. just realizing I have to start on taxes soon. First I'll find something else to be grateful for, need a yin to match the yang.

And somethingto listen to. Got a plumbing project to do.. thinking something raw and dirty. Some mid 80's grunge perhaps or a runchy Caution. ...mmm will do both.

Edit: Boxzilla vs. Mothra, get it? At least that's how they will positioned on the shelf.

Nice JimInMD! Mothrabox! Great name for this box, especially if you have both Boxzilla and this one, AND enough shelf space for head-to-head combat. For a more modest, stand-alone shelf presentation, maybe Boxtrosity?