Grateful Dead

Kid sent me a joke couple of days ago.

What does the NFL and Brokeback Mountain have in common?

Both have Cowboys that suck.

Glad some of you have discovered Second Edition/Metal Box. First Edition is also good for the most part.

Flowers of Romance....risky

anything after that is tripe

Hey 1970 freaks!
Looking for some recommendations for the year 1970.
Please include only UNRELEASED shows that are available in the archive,
AND that you actually know is good, not something you just read about off the internet somewhere…
Almost time to continue my quest, starting off with a little 1970.

Hey Man, try the Pirate's World show on 3/24/70.

Imagine going to a GD show at Pirate's World in 1970.
It was actually a Place.
Arrrrrr.

Be Well People!
Sixtus

3/21/70
5/2/70
5/15/70
2/13/70
2/14/70
9/19/70
9/20/70
11/5, 6, 7, 8/70
11/20/70
12/26/70
6/24/70

Mammoth Gardens, Denver.
It's got a Dark Star.
And ends with It's a Man's World.
Doc might say it has the grease.
On the Archive but maybe 4-25-70 is not?
My sister's first GD show. She recalls being right up front and catching Bob's eye. Said she saw the gallon Kool-aid being passed around. Now unsure if she had partaken, lol. Yeah, right sis.
Cheers

Wasn't there, but I was at Hershey Park. I think JiminMD was there also :-).

Tripping balls at the amusement park all day, then the show.

Was very nice. (great show)_

edit - my copy of this show sounds great! Thanks for pointing the way.

What a joke!
Watched the celebrities trying to out glamorize and impress each other at the commercialized network shill event to honor pop stars under the false pretense of Rock and Roll, again!
It’s been that way awhile now, but it’s gotten to where it’s an insult to R&R and those who actually toiled and lived the life!
Imho, at least half the inductees, though generally speaking, I truly dig most of them, respect their long strange trips, and the music they made…IT AIN’T R&R!
Sure a couple of them have recorded a song or two over the decades that could be considered R&R, imho that does not mean they are a R&R artist/performer.
Bobs been messing with classical orchestras lately, does that mean he could be called a classical musician and go in the classical HOF…?
No, he’s a Rock musician playing with classical music!
Frampton ripping up Do You Feel…THATS R&R not phuching Do you Believe…
Do You Believe is a mega pop smash hit and a good song, but it ain’t R&R!

Also, I like Dave Mathew’s Band, more so back in the nineties when it was new and fit in with all the cool eclectic 90s stuff, but he shouldn’t have been the big finale when you have one of the all time legends of Rock also being inducted.

Personally I’ve never really been into metal, and though I didn’t get that into Sabbath etc, (mostly due to all the weird satanic stuff) it was good Rock and we even jammed with some dudes BITD who where into them. Even if you weren’t into them, you respected them for being real, bad ass R&R!
But chever way your pleasure tends Ozzy is a living R&R LEGEND!
He has lived and breathed the R&R lifestyle to the fullest without actually having it kill him, yet!, and to me, represents R&R infinitely more than the alarmingly increasing pop type of Rolling Stone inductees of the modern era!
Yeah Dave Ms ok, but he should of proceeded, and Ozzy should have been the biggest inductee and grand finale! How could you not have one of Rocks biggest legends not be the main event at an awards supposedly honoring Rock music?
Video may have killed the radio star, but Rolling Stone via that whore Jann Wenner and their disgusting total sell out over the last couple decades, has done its best to kill what’s left of R&R which is wrong and a shame on so many levels!
Just sad, so, so, sad!
Oh, and don’t give me no lip about there’s nobody left, BS!
Let’s start with why the fuck is Jerry Garcia not in there as a solo artist?
Talk about a guy who lived the lifestyle!
Yeah, He didn’t sell any big hits, but he was more prolific and his output considerably more prodigious than most of the main bands inducted over the years, and I mean the real R&R bands not this pop cheese their shilling as Rock!
America May have messed up some things over its history, but Jazz and R&R are perhaps the best shit we ever did, so it’s a real shame what the greed heads have done to it…dooooooode, I want my genre back!
Sorry, rant over.

Edit: shit how could I forget…and absolutely no mention about Phil, one of the coolest guys on the planet, who helped revolutionized a whole new sect of Rock, and basically invented a new way to play bass!

I’ve heard Pirates and Mammoth via the good doctor, but I’ll definitely check out PFs list, and hopefully others will chime in later!

Ha, I figuratively lost my shit in Hershey Dennis lol, but Canadas Wonderland was the place that really freaked us out lol. Walking through to get to the venue I felt like I was in Bedrock living in a Flintstones episode lol

Agree.

Among my group we couldn't believe Chris Cross over Bruce Springsteen in the Grammys.

In my world drinking and drug taking has nothing to do with rock n' roll at all. I've known countless people who devoted their lives to getting wrecked - they wouldn't have known rock n' roll if you'd shoved it up their.....
The myth that you need to get high to play great music may have started with Charlie Parker, or may have existed before then. But it's not true.
I didn't always think like this. As teenager, I thought that the more drugs of the day I took the more likely it would be that I would turn into Jimi Hendrix or something. Gradually it dawned on me that this wasn't going to happen, and what made them great was talent and practice, not what they took.

No Little Feat in the R&R HOF...almost a badge of honor!
Couldn't agree more about the Rolling Stone comments - complete sell out.
Last 5
The Stones - Shepherds Bush
Talking Heads - 1977 Super Deluxe 2024
Hendrix - Electric Lady Studios - A Hendrix Vision 2024
Weird Of Mouth - Weird of Mouth - Jazz that tests the boundaries
Faces - BBC - 2024

10/31/70, 12/23/70

RnR HoF

NO MOTORHEAD.

Dolly phukn Parton is in there, but not Motorhead.

Cher?? In.

No Joy Division, Smiths, New York Dolls, etc.

NO MOTORHEAD? RUFKM?

lameness knows no bounds.

Phuq the RnR HoF. Even if I found myself in Cleveland again, no way would I go to that travesty/joke/"piss stain" (from the Sex Pistols.)

you are correct, Mr. Lemmy.

But if your replying to my post, I didn’t specifically mention D&A…
I think there’s often, but not required, a lifestyle that the true Rock greats lived.
Zappa didn’t condone, let alone party, but I’d say he clearly lived the R&R lifestyle. Gene Simmons another example that pops to mind.
Like a state of mind, an attitude, a culture?…like you could have two left feet but still live the jock lifestyle. A sociological thing.
I’m just suggesting it as a general rule, not something mandatory.
And hey, even practice and talent is no guarantee for success, and I think sometimes, that’s where living the lifestyle and having the attitude has been just as important in some cases. (Hell I’ve been fortunate to play music with several individuals that had way more talent than probably half those folks honored but you’ll never hear of them cause they never got the break or opportunity)

But as another who had to learn things the hard way, I agree that D&A aren’t “the answer” or mandatory either, and in many cases can certainly be detrimental, but let’s face it, much of the greatest music of many types was often driven by fuel.
Hell, when we were young and (hopefully) much dumber than now, we didn’t consider satire, we used to think Bob ment “too much of everything was just enough” and at the time, maybe he did, but eventually we figured out it was much more enjoyable to be smarter about it, which ment moderation and/or choices made more responsible and based on years of personal empirical research ; ) …know YOUR body etc.
Perhaps my favorite quote on this is from Glen Frey (I believe) sums it up for me: “the idea is to feel good, not shitty. So you go to a party, you maybe have 2 beers for the first hour to get a nice feel and socially relax, then you nurse the third one for another hour or so by which time you probably should or want to leave anyway, you still feel good, and hopefully you didn’t make an ass of yourself” or something to those words…
I find that philosophy works well with most things…
But certainly much of Ozs lifestyle involved excesses that would have killed most, and he, (and Sharon) would most certainly say detrimental, but I think he started out with and would have had “it” even without all the accessories, just for example. His Bio was very enjoyable, if anyones interested.

Good points.

The arts maybe the hardest to break thru in. All of them, music, painting, writing. And let's not forget sports. Though sports has the easiest measurements, you either can hit the ball or you can't, not a matter of taste.

The mass population loves mediocre. Sure Kandinsky, Mondrian & Pollock are great, but most want a nice landscape scene. The farm, the dirt road, the grass, the creek. Avon is the number 1 selling perfume.

Music has an extra edge in that it's corporate driven. Make vanilla, people love vanilla.

Talent in music is more than the ability to "play". My father in law, who was an artist and art professor, said he could teach anyone the mechanics of painting,,,,, but what to paint?

My buddy years ago said there were two type of musicians, definers and refiners.

Now I wish I had what it takes to just "play" songs I know, but whatever it takes to play, I don't have.

I find people that do play always say, anyone can play, just takes practice. NOT TRUE. Nobody can do everything. Now I can fix anything and have a natural understanding of mechanics (runs in the family, like Marisa Tomei in My Cousin Vinny...... my father was a mechanic, his two brothers were mechanics, my mother......)

Sorry too much early coffee :-)

But music is a tough nut to crack...... and yet yacht rock did :-)

I love when I throw a bunch of cuts into the winamp playlist and two transitions come together.

Just had Dark Star from 3/24/70 go into The Other One from 11-17-72.

It was a smooth changeup out of nowhere.

Just killing it on that Other One.
The boys are jazzy!
Cheers

It's because life is in 4/4 time!
Having spent years mixing audio for video etc I found that when you threw up a piece of music to an already existing video edit it was surprising (or should it be?) how often the cuts worked to the music and this is the explanation I came up with!

I think that there's a lot of crossover between musical styles, and very often what defines a given genre is the cultural context (or we would say lifestyle) that it involves. Like, to me, most modern country sounds almost exactly like rock, but I know it's country because they're wearing hats. And driving pickups.

I think there was definitely a rock lifestyle in the late '60s and '70s. If you had longhair, smoked weed, and had a certain set of views about war, premarital sex, and organic vegetables, you were part of that. But I it got decadent and cliched and by the '80s it had degenerated into a thing where 'rock n roll lifestyle' just meant doing lots of blow and wearing ridiculous clothing. As memorably parodied in the Cake song. Fun while it lasted, I suppose, but that party ended a long time ago.

I do think that if you're going to have a Rock and Roll Hall of Fame, you should have some criteria for what it means to be "rock," and you should probably refrain from inducting artists who quite clearly belong to other genres. Especially when there are still plenty of good rockers you haven't honored.

My personal pet peeve here is King Crimson. How they not in the hall? They made a spectacular groundbreaking debut album that launched the entire prog rock genre. They continued to break new ground and release classic albums through the '70s and '80s. (And even the '90s, if you ask me, but not everybody likes Thrak as much as I do.) And were an amazing live band on into the 2010s. Astonishing musicianship from every lineup they ever had. How is it a lightweight, flash in the pan group like the Go-go's (sorry, Go-go's fans, but that's how I feel) gets in there, but not KC?

Beefheart should be in there, too. And Gram Parsons.

And remember, kids:

Excess ain't rebellion
You're drinkin' what they're selling
Your self-destruction doesn't hurt them
Your chaos won't convert them
They're so happy to rebuild it
You'll never really kill it

You make some fine points Crow.

And surely Spinal Tap should be in? They practically invented the Rock and Roll lifestyle and were the first band to popularize instantaneously combusting keyboardists, er um I mean drummers.

Correct Dennis, was at Hershey Park but not Pirates World. Both great shows, love the Morning Dew at Hershey.

King Crimson and Motorhead not in the R&R hall of fame? It's become so irrelevant, I bet both bands would agree with Jerry and skip it. If one of you were invited, would you go? I'd skip it or if I had more backbone I'd show up like Matt Stone and Trey Parker (South Park) did for the red-carpet affair for the South Park movie nomination dressed in drag and high on acid. (let it be known, their gowns were spectacular)

King Crimson were ( assuming they are no more) an incredible band, both live and in the studio. Those box sets focussing on specific albums, or related albums are great and they were superb live as late as 2019. But surely they couldn't be regarded as rock n' roll. To me, it sounds nothing like it. I would think, for music it to be classified as that, it would have to have it's roots in the 1950's. Updated, re-interpreted or a replicated.

Motorhead definitely. No box set needed - just a hand full of singles.

For me the idea of rock and roll as a lifestyle became a bit ridiculous a soon as it became identified as lifestyle. It brings to mind people who were - and even more so now, are, - basically conformists who were and are trying to copy individualists. I'm not saying I didn't do it myself - but looking back it was a bit of joke.

Relix wants you.
50th anniversary.
See Tape Trading Topic in recent posts.
Cheers

Yeah what’s up with tape trading?
Seems to be another trend, but why?

That topic is all folks giving away their collections for some time now. Not sure what Relix is doing. Making a resource list maybe? Relix was THE source for all things Dead BITD. Was not a subscriber but saw plenty of them. As Oro implies, there doesn't seem a need now that the Archive is up and running.
Cheers

The other one would say that’s the only kind she asks lol
I get Relix: Dead Relix was pretty much just tape trading BITD, so to celebrate 50 yaddy yaddy yadda, and I understand lots of folks, especially it seems younger ones, are getting into tapes, but again, I’m just wondering why?
What is my Dino boomer arse missing here?

I love the Pink Floyd album Animals

On this album we have flying pigs, dogs, multiple pigs, and sheep

Sounds like Old McDonald's Farm

I have heard Dark Side of the Moon so many times, I could go the rest of my life without hearing it again

Animals, on the other hand...I am listening right now on my lunch break

Grateful Dead
Motorhead
Joy Division
Pink Floyd
Black Sabbath first 6 albums
David Bowie
X

Sheep - my favorite track off of Animals. And besides Us & Them, my favorite Pink Floyd song ...

My teenage son said "they're overrated" to me the other day when I generally brought them up - Heresy.

Then again, he has not heard them in the particular 'headspaces' at that age wherein I grew up with and came to love their music. So I should say as a Dad, that element is, so far, more or less to his benefit. And of course it's his choice what to like ...

All I could say in response, dryly, to him was: OK, when you figure it out, come talk to me.

Thanks Marye.

I really love this release! Very energized playing. I've listened to it three times now. The last run benefited from my new sub-woofer!!

It's a keeper. The Help/Slip/Franklins and Let it Grow is super high energy, fun and playful.

I like the Floyd vs. Dead comparison too. Both bands so different yet they somehow occupy the same place in my mind. Both bands did more to push the sound of live music than any of their peers. For that I am grateful.

....if Back In Black was recorded in the 50's.
You're welcome. 🍻
Edit. That channel has Black Sabbath, Led Zep and others. Quite the rabbit hole a friend sent me to explore.

...and the idealistic youth
of the '70's
(or any decade for that matter)

june 28 1977 LIVE

I remember well
in quadraphonic sound
cash registers / pigs / dogs / sheep / and of course
welcome to the machine
panning around the
SPECTRUM

what fun
and good times
as a teen
with low
density commitments
and responsibilities

remember when you were young
you shone like the sun
SHINE ON
you crazy diamond

Why the hell didn't PF tape that Animals' tour? Chuckleheads!

Listened to 6/8/77 Winterland over a couple of days' commutes and yesterday morning the Brokedown Palace encore brought a tear to my eye. It is a truly beautiful version of a great song. I use 'I love you more than words can tell' with my wife and kids all the time and this time it just got to me.

Interesting to see that someone was broaching 11/17/72 then as that is what show was next in the rotation. Still one of my highest rated Dave's Picks.

Pink Floyd-- I don't like the pre-Meddle Floyd, but Meddle through Animals is a real sweet spot. I have the Oakland 1977 show on tape somewhere in the basement with the live Animals and Wish You Were Here-- that show should be cleaned up and released. I understand that it isn't perfect sonically, but it would be better than the nothing we have. Zeppelin released an imperfect show from an early tour when they put out remastered albums a few years back (part of LZ I). That Oakland show deserves the same.

I'm the complete opposite with Pink Floyd. I really like the stuff from Pipers up to Meddle, but am not so keen on the following albums. I saw them twice, in 1975 and 1977. They weren't the most exciting band in the world to see live, though. Not at that time anyway. The first time, at Knebworth, they played three songs that hadn't been recorded yet, which ended up in a revised form on Wish You Were Here and Animals. Then they played all of DSOTM - note perfect, or as close as they could manage, it to the album. Then they played Echoes as an encore.

In 1977, they played both Wish You Were Here and Animals, again closely following the recorded versions, with Money as an encore. They didn't improvise at all. The albums after Meddle all seemed a bit down beat to me. Depressing, in a way. I felt, after 1969 and Ummagumma, that they were surpassed by bands that may have been influenced by them - principally Hawkwind and Gong - and then all the great German bands - Tangerine Dream, Can, Faust, Amon Duul 2 etc.
Strange to read of them as being thought of as belonging in the same category as The Dead. There wasn't much going on at live Floyd gigs at all. Not that I can remember anyway. I guess I liked bands more on the rock n' roll, or what became known as space rock, side of the spectrum.

I heard that a while back. I was amazed at their quality; I would classify them as legendary.

They were so good I haven't listened to them since because they need to be heard when conditions are just exactly perfect.

I remember the Brokedown Palace being...wow.

Deep beneath the rolling waves in labyrinths of coral caves.........

Told the tale before, here we are again. Before we morphed into major Deadheads we were super into the Floyd. There were some things we didn't much care for----Piper, Atom Heart Mother---but we loved the live cuts on Ummagumma, Meddle, and DSOTM through Animals. Always thought Animals was very underrated, had some great playing by Gilmour. Not particularly into "political music", but we dug it.

Shows:

March 14 1973, Boston Music Hall. The Floyd weren't famous yet. Got to see Careful With That Axe, Echoes, DSOTM. One of the greatest, most intense musical experiences I ever had. Maybe the acid helped............

Careful With That Axe, Eugene-Obscured by Clouds-When You're In-Set the Controls for the Heart of the Sun-Echoes-Speak to Me/Breathe/On the Run/Time/Breathe (Reprise)/The Great Gig in the Sky/Money/Us and Them/Any Colour You Like/Brain Damage/Eclipse-One of These Days

June 18 1975, Boston Garden. The Floyd were now massively famous. Lots of yahoos in attendance. Pricey tickets and hot as hell inside the old Garden. But we had a blast and the visuals were stupendous. Plus we got an Echoes!!! Maybe the acid helped.......

June 27 1977, Boston Garden. Another pricey steam bath in the old Garden. DSOTM was in the rear view mirrors but we got WYWH and Animals. Still great stuff. Maybe the acid helped...........

Strangely enough, starting with The Wall, totally lost interest. When what I called the "3/4 Floyd" came by the first time, I went mostly to pay my respects. Sadly, the spark, the energy, the intensity was gone...........

But yes, I still listen............

Doc
Sooner than wait for a break in the weather
I'll gather my far flung thoughts together
Speeding away on a wind to a new day
If your alone I'll come home

My Pink Floyd likes:

Piper, Saucer, most of More, Early Singles, Relics, Ummagumma, AHM, Meddle, DSOTM, Animals

Appreciated and perfectly acceptable: Wish, Wall

Whatever: Obscured, anything after Wall

We very quickly learned that the Floyd were not like the Dead. No jams, no improvisations, on any given tour starting in 1973, if you saw one show you saw every show. Almost no variability in setlists. Still, if you saw one show back then, certainly worth the price of admission.

There's sh*tloads of live Floyd recordings out there, but almost all are audience recordings of varying quality. Like most bands of the day, if they weren't putting out a live album they didn't routinely record their shows. There's some good early stuff---scattered soundboards and the BBC broadcasts, along with the 1974 Wembley official release---but outside of those, slim pickings...........

LOL the Dead totally spoiled us in that regard.............

Doc
Green is the colour of her kind
Quickness of the eye deceives the mind
Many is the bond between the hopefull and the damned

Not forgetting Syd Barrett's "The Madcap Laughs" - one of the most haunting records I've ever heard, and "Barrett".
One of the highlights of the "Early Years" box set is on the first dvd, where there is a clip from T.V show in May 1967 called Look Of Week. A brief snip of Pow R Toc H, a blistering Astronomy Domine and then an unintentionally comical interview by Hans Keller with Roger Waters and the mighty Syd. "Why does it have to be so loud?" I used to love it when there was a generation gap. And I was on the right side of it.

Doc, I love that moniker you gave the post-Waters Floyd. I was a recent high school graduate from a school I attended for my senior year only and only toward the end of the year did I catch on with a group that had prime tickets to the 3/4 Floyd show at Camp Randall in Madison-- 10th row on the floor. I recall having a fine time and enjoying the show but not being over-impressed, especially with the recycled props from previous tours (floating pig, crashing airplane). If I recall correctly, the pig came out during One of These Days and just floated around.

My college friends had a nickname for the live album from that tour-- "The Delicate Sound of Shit-Splashed Water." Needless to say, we were not fans of the release. On the other spectrum, the Echoes and One of These Days from Pompeii are extraordinary. I watch that on Youtube at least annually.

My heart sinks when I see the damage done by Mother Nature in Southern California. I cannot imagine how difficult this must be for some of our friends and neighbors.

One way or another, this darkness got to give.

one of the burning areas is about 3/4 mile from we lived (Sierra Madre, adjacent to Pasadena)

One of the few dates the Dead never played in their 30 year career.

The damage done by Mother Nature is nothing compared to the damage we have done to the environment for decades. We cannot continue to abuse the planet like we have been doing, without incurring increasingly intense and more prevalent disasters. It's ourselves we need to be looking at - these things don't just happen.

Sadly, many will say it's all a figment of our imagination.

"Fires? What fires?"

I'd say more to clarify, but I'd get censored.

Reality is relative in this day and age.

Perhaps Warner-Rhino should be worrying more about how many loyal customers are going to get their prepaid DaP delivered, since UPS will now not deliver to Post Offices, which is the only way many rural Americans can get mail, instead of censoring…

Maybe now would be a good time to offer us, the customers, shipping alternatives, but the way things have been…doubtful : (