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Joined:Well, it's like this. Sunday morning, in the previous version of this thread, I was posting a response to an interesting post, and things went badly haywire and suddenly, the thread vanished. Whatever that was, I'll never do it again. But since the Dave's Picks threads tend to be the preferred hangout, I am so sorry to have deprived you of yours. Please pick up where you left off and accept my deepest apologies. --Marye
- RyXs
Joined:"Stop Booing Us Then!"I can't remember the where the clip I saw that was at or on, but Bob and The Band are in a taxi cab somewhere in the U.K. after a show and Dylan is hollering out the window in response to someone's inaudible yet supposed positive comments.
I wonder how much influence all that specific negativity had upon his songwriting then? Top that off with being a bit spegeetered on them "diet pills" I sort of understand why he could become a cynical assholio!
Personally I dig the Rolling Thunder Review era and the "Street Legal" album. Though the final tour with The Band in 1974 was a pinnacle of music. Dylan is the one musician with the most 'eras' and longevity through metamorphosis it would seem, Even more than The Dead.
Neil Young also had similar life tribulations and musical themes to his long professional career journey. Though I think Neil was honestly a true 'hippie dream' believer {till he wasn't} unlike Dylan who may have really never been. - daverock
Joined:Dylan on filmTwo other good dvd's - I haven't got the blu ray discs of these or Don't Look Back, are "The Other Side of the Mirror", which features great performances from the Newport Folk Festivals of 1963,1964 and 1965 and Martin Scorsese's " No Direction Home" which takes us up to May 1966.
We can't really know about another's drug use unless they tell us about it themselves. But if pushed, I would say his work in the 60's seems more driven by amphetamines than any other drug.
- icecrmcnkd
Joined:I’m not a Dylan historianBut maybe the earlier comments that he was taking speed is what influenced his song writing.
If he was taking acid instead, his writing may have been more like the hippies at that time.I had previously considered getting the Dylan Box but then decided against it due to the lack of variety in the set lists.
I do have the Don’t Look Back Blu-ray, which is pretty good. - daverock
Joined:A Complete UnknownI saw this film earlier today. Really enjoyed it, too. When I got back home I dipped into the 1966 box set of live recordings, with Copenhagen and then Dublin from 1st and 5th respectively. Great stuff - although you do basically get the same set repeated over and over again. The first 3 songs of the electric set have always seemed a bit of an odd choice to me, considering all the other great songs he had at his disposal. But it's a great box to own - one to take all year to get through, though.
RYXS - it's not just his music that seems at odds with the psychedelic dream - from 1965 his attitude to his audience and peers seems quite hostile too. In some ways, his behaviour seems a bit more in line with the punks of the following decade than with hippies of the 60's.
Curiously, in some ways Pete Seeger comes across as a more sympathetic character than Dylan, with his life long commitment to civil rights and support of left wing causes and community based projects.
- RyXs
Joined:End of a Hippie Dream?Daverock seems to be right on about that lyrical subject matter. I may be a youngster and all this was before my time but analytically speaking I can hear exactly that point that was made! The early folksy stuff of Dylan was way more peaceful fun time 'hippie' than Hwy61 and it's gritty element of hard time living. What a trip!
The songs "Ballad of a Thin Man" and "Tom Thumb Blues" really set the true tone of the motif from the book-ended "Rollin' Stone" to "Desolation Row" and all of the last gasps of any good time hippie dream desperation along the way. Weirdly that album was in 1965~'66. The Dead and the happy San Francisco scene was just swinging into full bloom. I guess Dylan had foreshadowed something that wouldn't be realized out west till a few years later at the festival in Altamont. What happened Bob? Was it the New York City living? - daverock
Joined:Words are birdsThe most psychedelic album Bob Dylan cut, to my ears, is Bringing It All Back Home. Lyrically, not musically. Mr Tambourine sounds like a celebration of tripping to me. There is also a sense of fun and wonder on that album that seemed to disappear on the albums that followed. Not that I don't think Highawy 61 and Blonde On Blonde aren't great - amazing records - but they had a hardness about them that didn't exist before. And Positively 4th Street must be one of the harshest songs ever written. Welcome to the summer of love!
With Rainy Day Women, I'm sure he was aware of both connotations of the word stoned. The fact that he never stooped to explanation encourages different interpretations. Which is surely for the best.
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Joined:Keystone Palo AltoI used to go and see Garcia play there all the time, he played there a lot. I saw Garcia and Hunter play there one night and Hunter said ,I remember when this place was a grocery store, we used to shop lift here. I saw Muddy Waters play there, Big Mama Thorton and Charlie Musslewhite one night. I saw Garcia play a fantastic acoustic show there one night I believe it was Jan. of 86 , hopefully it will be released one day.
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Joined:Keystone(s)!Man, just put the Live at Keystone 2 LP(purple swirl vinyl) on the turntable. Had not heard it in years, the playing is great, Jerry's tone is so good, and his voice so clear! Forgot David Grisman was on it too. Listening to it brings so many memories.
Spent many hours at both Keystones, small clubs where you could get really close to the band, and I don't recall these shows selling out(tickets at the door only) At the Berkeley location, Jerry and the band had to make their way through the crowd to get to the stage; cool room upstairs with a foosball game, and couches. These days are long gone; I always get nostalgic listening to Like a Road!
Pretty sure BTK went to a few of these :-)

random praise of GD68
I am listening to a bunch of March 68 from my collection
love that primal stuff
Quick PSA
Close to the Edge
PF - I know what you mean. Ignorance is becoming a luxury we can no longer afford. I am not supporting or putting down any specific political person when I say this.
Also kudos for mentioning Relics as a PF approved PF album. That was the first one I got, it being a budget release, when I was but 15 years old. My dad thought I was losing my mind when he heard the mad clatter of Interstellar Overdrive spilling out of my bedroom. He was right.
Dave Rockin' the Edge
Dads!?!
What do they know?????
Animals
If you like that album get the 2022 Blu-ray audio release of the 2018 remix.
The Blu-ray has at least 6 different audio versions - original 1977 stereo, modern stereo, 5.1 surround, in Dolby and dts formats.
I saw the Trio (3/4 Floyd) in 87 and twice in 94 (complete DSOTM second night).
I saw Waters 07, 10, 12, 17.
Had a great time at all of them.
But yeah, their ability to jam like the GOGD is non-existent.
Stupid reCRAPTCHA
Thinks a moped is a motorcycle.
Yo Dave
PLEASE make a GD68 release
So good
Post Floyd live
The only post Floyd live music I have seen and heard was Nick Mason's Saucerful of Secrets about 2019. I really enjoyed that.
At the final Pretty Things gig, about 2017, Dave Gilmour joined them on stage, and played some killer, rocking guitar. I had no idea he could play with such energy. Which reminds me - although I didn't see this live - he also played some great rock n' roll with Paul McCartney - 1990's some time I think. Captured on an album called Run Devil Run.
Last Dead - 2/11/69 - an early and late show. The late show blows the cobwebs out.
sigh....
....why are natural disasters political at all?
Had three clients at work today who had friends and/or family that lost everything.
A lot of Hollywood memorabilia. Lost. Over 100 year old homes. Lost. Priceless antiquities. Lost. Got REALLY close to the Hollywood Bowl and the Nikoa Theatre. Very humbling.
I've visited that coastal area of LA a few times. So beautiful. 😢
And here I was a couple weeks ago posting about the Morrison Hotel burning. I was apparently short-sighted.
Two more popped up today.
Some hotels here in Vegas are offering discounted room rates for the displaced.
So, yeah. Hey!
Got an email from kickstarter today. Greyfolded vinyl still on track for late March.
And Ringo Starr dropped a new record today. Country-ish feat Billy Strings, Larkin Poe and Molly Tuttle on a few tracks.
Mood lifting.
No mockery or disrespect to LA fire victims
But
Dennis' avatar is...timely
Not so natural disasters
Some so called natural disasters aren't natural - they are man made. That's not political - it's awareness. Which shouldn't be censored. I don't think anyone is blaming the specific victims - but they are victims of human stupidity, lack of care and greed.
David Gilmour
In 1980 I saw Roy Harper play Elliot college dining hall at Kent University in Canterbury
He started with some acoustc songs accompanied by Andy Roberts, then played a few with the band and then introduced 'a friend of his' and out walked David Gilmour who played the rest of the gig!
David Gilmour
A man of hidden talents.
Work bracket....
....I took the Chargers, Eagles, Buccaneers, Bills (ugh), Ravens and Vikings.
Let's see what happens.
Daniel Donato's Cosmic Country....
....helps with cleaning the homestead!
Jethro Tull has a new single btw.
Vguy and Tull
Thanks for heads up.
Listened and pre-ordered new album.
Dennis
Dennis, you must have quite the collection of Cds and LPs.
DV & The Collection
There are over 5,000 cd's in the collection, the lp's are about 25 feet in length (don't have count), the 45's number about 400 and the old 78's are about 800 (just got a foot deep pile in :-) )
My lp's go back to my childhood records, though I don't have my small child 78's, the ones that were the size of 45's but ran at 78, mine were mostly yellow and a lot had two songs per side.
I've been building my digital collection since 2000. Currently there are over 1,000,000 "songs" by over 10,000 "artist".
Songs and artist are in quotes because artist include things like "now that's what I call music" or other "variable artist" albums. Songs because, I have recorded radio shows that are only 1 track, but 4 hours longs. So lots of songs there, but only counts as 1.
I also have about 2,000 audio books.
All my stuff is labeled and in order! This sounds obvious, but the amount of collections people have given me that NOTHING is labeled. Like AudioTrack01, AudioTrack02,,,,etc. Also been given collections that people say I have over 100,000 songs, but you dig in and find that they've copy "my music" folder into the "my music" folder, so cut that in half :-). All my stuff is labeled down in the "id tags" also. Nothing goes in The Collection without being touch by me.
I work on "The Collection" everyday and I have stuff coming in all the time. Working on a massive blues/jazz collection right now.
Most of the music is 320 level mp3's,,,, the books are 128.
It's a stupid thing I know, mostly I hear, I could never listen to a million songs. I don't listen to everything there, but when you turn there you have CHOICE. The librarian doesn't read all the books, but keeps them in order :-)
When people here mention groups I've never heard of (Gong and Hawkwind come to instant mind,,,,thanks Dave), I can go sample the stuff,,,, if I don't have any I try and get some in stock.
Youtube can be a gold mine of stuff, I have a little program that will download the audio off youtube. If I wasn't so cheap I buy the package that allows you to record internet radio stations.
Music collections - cheaper than guns, smaller than cars.
Want a copy, hit me with a message. Always happy to share.
Way cool Dennis
Do you play the 78s? I thought about getting a Dual or other good turntable that can play them but no space to put it and some "experts" have said you need a ceramic needle/cartridge and a stereo that has a ceramic phono input (not MM or MC) to properly play the 78s. But some older turntables have that needle/cartridge with the little lever that flips over, one side for 33/45 and the other for 78. That seems at odds with that ceramic input thing. I only have my parents' 78s and a bunch of huge box collections from that era of mostly classical and big band (love the $1 box at Salvation Army) so not a pressing need. I haven't had a record changer that plays 78s since my first lo-fi in high school, lol.
That is certainly the biggest collection I have heard of with Billy Gibbons 40K or so blues albums maybe second. (Clapton was very impressed) Seen some big stashes (usually disorganized piles really) on American Pickers of all 45s as they were from guys who serviced jukeboxes and some other collectors who sell from big walls of 33s but when you add all the digital you are the king! Now we see why that in case of fire window sticker is necessary.
Cheers
1st Show & 78 Playing
I have not played them in years,,,, I have an old turntable which would play them, but I haven't. I don't even have a my "modern" turntable hooked up yet,,,,,, needs a belt.
On the old 78 front, I have found a huge collection of 78's on the archive. I've used youtube to download songs I know I have on 78's (we used to listen to them when I was in my teens). How can you not love a song titled "Red Silk Stocking and Green Perfume". All the Al Jolson collections I have, have since come out on cd's. Other things not so, I have a 50's recording of Sintra doing the Coffee Song, which isn't any of the versions on cd's. I have some Jimmy Durante 78's I've since gotten off youtube and cd's that I bought.
I only keep the old 78's,,,,,,because! No real reason, doubt my son will ever care, he'll take the cd's and lps but the 78's, meh. My sister just send me that foot deep pile, they were her husbands parents records. Funny but a quick flip thru them and he had the same record of Ray Noble orchestra doing "Linda".
So much music and no talent!
When I bought my "big boy stereo", salesman said if all you listen to is the radio, don't buy this system, you will not hear what it can do, further he stated, your music collection should be worth 3 times the cost of your system or you've wasted your money.
Enjoy
Red Silk Stockings
Song from childhood, I always thought a little of the theme from Dylan's "Lily, Rosemary & the Jack of hearts" and bob doing "Mexacalli Blues.
Red Silk Stockings and Green Perfume
Here's a story of a roaring mining town
And the gal who really knew her way around
There's still talk of that event 'cause the way she came and went
She took the town and turned it upside down
With her red silk stockings and her green perfume
She blew into this man's town with a silver boon
Never was any trouble but she started some soon
With her red silk stockings and her green perfume
Oh, the town was growing
And the money was flowing
And the boys were throwing it around
Oh, the red silk stockings and the green perfume
She was singing a love song in the gambling hall
When along came a stranger, he was handsome and tall
He won every last dollar that we had in the room
And the red silk stockings and the green perfume
Oh, the town was growing
And the money was flowing
And the boys were throwing it around
Oh, the red silk stockings and the green perfume
Oh, she promised to meet me by the silvery moon
She was meeting that stranger by the cactus dune
All she left was a memory of a honky tonk tune
And her red silk stockings and her green perfume
Oh, the town was growing
And the money was flowing
And the boys were throwing it around
Oh, the red silk stockings and the green perfume
A little 40's swing
do a youtube search for Walter Lantz - Boogie Woogie Sioux (1942)
enjoy
Dennis
Holy crap Dennis, that is quite the collection.
We will probably see your collection someday on American Pickers.
What does your wife think and I hope she gets points on the CC purchases.
And bring your juke box money
I had a friend who rebuilt an old pre-WWII juke box just to play 78s. This was back around 1990, when a lot of people were dumping their vinyl and newspapers were still a thing. He put a classified ad (remember those?) in the paper, something like "Sanford & Son: the Vinyl Junk Men. We will pay you to haul away your junk vinyl!" And he got calls all the time, some of them from old geezers who would say they had a boxes and boxes of 78s they needed to get rid of. So eventually he had a pretty big collection, and he wanted to hear how it must've sounded on the record players when it was first issued.
I'm here to tell you: it sounded fucking great. It didn't reproduce the full spectrum of sound the way modern recordings can, but man, it rendered voices and horns with eerie presence and accuracy. It sounded like Billie Holiday and Lester Young were right there in the room!
Partly as a result, we got really into a lot of 'jump blues' 78s, people like Louis Jordan and Wynone Harris, and eventually put together a band to play that stuff. We had a blast with it, and it seemed audiences did, too.
Something to be said for the them olden days.
Last five!
Ty Segall: Hello, Hi
King Crimson: Thrak
Mike Ledonne: That Feeling
GOGD: Dap 27
Jimi: First Rays of the New Rising Sun
Bang bang, on the door, baby!
Anniversary show 1/13/80 Oakland
45 years ago ( where did the time go) I was up in Oakland to see the Dead play a benefit show. Also on the bill , Santana, John, Cippolina, , Beach Boys, Jefferson Starship, Joan Baez. The Dead played great! The first show of 1980.
1 13 80
I had a cassette of that years ago
I haven't heard the show for a long time
Sir Rod..
A belated "Happy big 80 th" to Mr. Stewart.. Looking forward to a box set treatment of "Atlantic Crossing" (1975) - have seen him 2 times - always great live..
Rod Stewart
I only saw him once live that I can recall. It was at the first Crystal Palace Garden Party in south London in May 1971. Four bands were on the bill that day, namely Quiver, Mountain, The Faces and Pink Floyd. All four bands were very good. The Faces were not very well known at the time but Rod Stewart in his salmon pink suit stood out. Mountain were very loud. Pink Floyd surprised everyone by actually jamming, something they hadn't done for a while. They premiered "The Return of The Sun of Nothing" which later, in modified form, became "Echoes". It was a fine day out and most attendees, myself included, were chemically enhanced for the occasion. The weather was typically British with sunshine and a thunderstorm. I cannot believe it was almost 54 years ago.
Quiver - Pink Floyd improv.
The first band I ever saw, supporting T. Rex in Manchester in May 1972. I still haven't heard them apart from on that one occasion - although they joined forces with The Sutherland Brothers later in the 70's and had a few hits. Did The Sutherland Brothers write "Sailing" that Rod Stewart recorded ? - I think they did.
Also Tim Renwick of Quiver played with later incarnations of Pink Floyd - again, I think.
Going off "The Early Years" box set and the smattering of bootlegs I've got, it seems Pink Floyd were much more inclined to improvise before Dark Side of the Moon. After that, they just seemed to play their last album from beginning to end, with the same arrangement live as on record.
Pink Floyd set list at Crystal Palace
Atom Heart Mother
Careful With That Axe Eugene
Fat Old Sun
Return Of The Son Of Nothing
Set the Controls For The Heart Of The Sun
Embryo
Saucerful Of Secrets
Encore : Astronomy Domine.
Rod Stewart....
....my first recollection of him was in middle school regarding the urban legend. If you know, you know.
Vguy
I know.
Ugh.
I can still remember hearing the urban legend. Mr. Sabaka's biology class.
Ugh.
Crow Told Me He Heard it on 78's
I always believed "popular" music was dependent on the sound systems of the day.
I think you would find either car radios went with pop or pop developed as car radios got better.
Had to imagine Pink Floyd on a 6 watt mono car radio in 1950. But Doo-Wop sounded just fine.
Another book someone smarter than me should write :-)
You Never Forget Your First
And mine was "Rod Stewart and the Faces."
I didn't know it then, but this was the first tour they'd been billed that way. Rod had a couple of huge hits in the US (Maggie and You Wear It Will) and promoters were insisting they put his name on the marquee. Which was probably a death knell for the band.
But I didn't know that. For me it was the first time seeing a rock band on stage. The lights, the volume, the people all around me smoking weed. It was all new. And thrilling! My friend George and I went with a pair of pretty girls from our junior high. (Not our girlfriends, but still.) We thought life couldn't get much better.
Rory Gallagher opened.
I still have a soft spot for the Faces. Ron Wood is such an underrated guitarist. And I just love the loose-goosey way that band slips into a groove.
we are going to hell in a bucket, babe
and I ain't enjoying the ride, either
bumper sticker
How did we get in this handbasket
and where are we going?
Cheers
Technology
The three minute popular song evolved because that was the time you could get on a 10 inch 78
Technology
The length of a compact disc was initally set to 74 minutes. This decision was influenced by the desire to fit Beethoven’s Symphony No. 9 in its entirety on a single disc. The story goes that Sony and Philips, the companies developing the CD, wanted to ensure that this iconic piece of music could be enjoyed without interruption.
The specific recording they used as a reference was Wilhelm Furtwängler’s 1951 performance, which lasted about 74 minutes. This set the standard for the CD’s capacity, allowing it to hold up to 74 minutes of audio.
Soooooo....
....a compact disc could potentially store more?
length of cds
The cds that hold the most, that I have, are various ones issued by Bear Family. Some of those are well over 80 minutes long. And they sound amazing. Definitely around the 83 minute mark - I think some stretch to 86 - but I would need to check on that.
Length of CDs
The Red Book standard for audio CDs specifies a maximum playing time of 79.8 minutes. Any CD player should play a CD of that length with no problems. More time can be recorded onto a CD but there is no guarantee that every CD player could play such a disc. I have at least one CD that is over 80 minutes and it plays just fine on my player.
Sir Rod
Give the recently released Faces at the BBC - Complete BBC Concert & Session Recordings. 1970-1973 LIVE
a try. Fun stuff and these guys could rock. Sound is pretty good, too...
Enjoy
Faces BBC ....
....not very familiar with them tbh. Spinning at work today. Let's see what's up.
Edit.....7 1/2 hours? It'll fit.
The Faces
When Steve Marriot left the Small Faces to form Humble Pie, the rest of the group were joined by Ronnie Wood and Rod Stewart from the Jeff Beck Group. They changed their name to The Faces. Just before joining the group, Rod Stewart signed a solo recording contract. As time went on more of Rod's solo material entered the Faces performances and tensions grew as the rest of the band came to be seen merely as Stewart's backing band. Band members left and were replaced but the writing was on the wall. The original lineup were a great band while they lasted.
CD length etc
Now don’t quote me because I didn’t look it up, but I believe the Bear discs use a different compression that squeezes the info onto a standard disc?
I know I’ve heard about the compression, just guessing about using a standard disc?
I have a DVD recorder/burner that can do that…
If you do it too much, you lose quality, but it’ll fit.
I also have a ML 9600 master disc that usually requires a little extra time for rendering. Just recently I had to edit an additional ten seconds off a project in order for there to be enough time including the rendering. So I had to chop it from 1 hour nineteen minutes and fifty seconds down to forty seconds, otherwise it wouldn’t render with “length exceeds disc at track 21” message. I have found over the twenty years I’ve had it that the actual usable disc length varies considerably by manufacturer (or perhaps run batch?)
anywhere from say 1 hour nineteen minutes 20 seconds to 1 hour nineteen minutes and fifty five seconds, but that time is usually consistent within the package of blank CDs.
I wouldn’t think a CD player, merely playing back a disc would be effected by length once a disc is rendered. As long as it’s in a format the player can utilize, …there are newer discs that can hold 90 minutes, but you have to have a compatible machine….but again, I didn’t look it up so…
Edit: got hey nowed several times…didn’t like use of standard time with colon so had to type it out?
Hey now...
I also noticed a while back that one cannot use colons in posts as the Hey now police react unfavourably.
Wonder if I’ll get my DaP 53…
…due to UPS/USPS contract issues?
Anyone hear about this? Look it up, depending on where you live or how you get mail, you may not get yours delivered!
Unless rhino has rectified this, we won’t get ours…: (
Colons: I use em all the time so I think it has to do with the combination of numbers and colons etc? Weird?
Humble Pie
They were a good band, too, although for me, their songs weren't that memorable. They had a great guitar sound though, which was brought out beautifully in a box set that came out a few years ago called "The AM Box set 1970- 1975". Its starts with their 3rd album, and goes up to "Street Rats".
Oro
See my post on trouble thread re: UPS
Cheers
Humble Pie
all I know is "30 Days in the Hole" and "I don't need no doctor."
I do know Steve Marriott had a great voice for RnR.