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    Who's up for a revolutionary evolutionary ride? DAVE'S PICKS VOLUME 30: FILLMORE EAST, NEW YORK, NEW YORK 1/2/70 captures the Grateful Dead as they make their first foray from the experimental 60s into their early 70s acoustic Americana period. Yes, this one is a little bit country and a little bit (psychedelic) rock and roll.

    When the "Magnificent Seven" - Pigpen on percussion, T.C. on keys - first took the stage on 1/2/70, evidence was clear that the trip was about to take a turn. From their western wears to the twang in Jerry’s “broken-string blues,” it appeared they'd brought the Bakersfield sound to the Big Apple. They worked through much of what would become Workingman's Dead, stunning the crowd with laid-back numbers like "Uncle John's Band," "Casey Jones," and "Black Peter." Just the same, they satisfied 60s stalwarts with magical versions of "Dark Star," "St. Stephen," and "That's It For The Other One." Sonic alchemy, indeed!

    DAVE'S PICKS VOLUME 30: FILLMORE EAST, NEW YORK, ​New York 1/2/70 has been rounded out with a bit of 1/3/70 (the subscribers-only bonus disc features the bulk of 1/3/70). It was recorded by the great Owsley "Bear" Stanley and has been lovingly mastered to HDCD specs by Jeffrey Norman.

    DAVE'S PICKS VOLUME 30 is limited to 20,000 individually-numbered copies*.

    *Limited to 2 per order. Very limited quantity available.

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  • October 18, 2019 - 3:33pm
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    You are not the only one. Sad, but true.

    This is copied from

    https://www.dead.net/forum/got-issues-your-store-order

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    August 30, 2019 - 4:29pm#2
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    Still Waiting For DaP 30 To Be Delivered
    Anyone else having this issue?

    Per Dead.net Customer Service, 'Our new warehouse has advised that they have been unable to locate any numbered copies of Dave’s Picks Volume 30. With that confirmation, we have decided to produce a small, separately-numbered run of this title. We will use these copies to replace your missing or damaged Dave’s Picks Volume 30 shipment. Our production team has advised that the new, limited-edition run will be available in 2 months. "

    Well, it's been two months and no word, no communication. Very frustrating.
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  • October 18, 2019 - 9:56am
    marye
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    yeah seriously
    send me a PM.
  • October 17, 2019 - 10:49pm
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    Send a PM to MaryE on this site. ..and do it quickly!! that was a long time ago.

  • October 17, 2019 - 8:39pm
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    Still have not received my…

    Still have not received my DAve's 30 with Bonus Disc. Multiple emails to customer service and no joy. Anybody who can help????

  • July 20, 2019 - 4:52am
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    Diggey's cds

    Looks reasonable enough to me. The only holes in my collection are the Fillmore West 1969 box set, and the first 1990 box set. I bought the second one, Spring 1990, after quite along wait, as I am not a big fan of 1990. But I was, and continue to be, surprised at how much I like the show within. Every time I play 3/14/90, which I believe is the first in the box, I feel moved to go on and listen to the whole. I keep looking around for the first one, but I haven't seen it for sale anywhere yet. I wouldn't spend a fortune on it, but if its anything like this second one....then I have missed out big time.

    A cautionary tale for me, actually, thinking now that I wouldn't get this years box if it is from beyond 1974.

  • July 19, 2019 - 5:52pm
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    Dave's Picks CDs

    I hope I'm not breaking any rules and can delete this if I am. I have some Dead cds and Dave's Picks for sale and wanted to put them up here. I'm not trying to get rich, just movin' out some clutter. Send me a message and payPal preferred. shipping is included for all of them listed. Thanks

    San Francisco, The Warfield 10/9 and 10/10/80- Record Store Day CD- $16 shipping included
    Dave's Picks 27- Boise State U, 9/2/83- $30 shipping included
    Dave's Picks 28- Capital Theater, Passaic, NJ, 6/17/76 - $30 shipping included
    Dave's Picks 29- Swing Auditorium, San Bernadino, Ca, 2/26/77 - $30 shipping included
    Dave's Picks 30- Fillmore East, NY, 1/2/70 - $30 shipping included
    Dave's Picks 30- Bonus CD- Fillmore East, NY, 1/3/70 - $30 shipping included

  • July 18, 2019 - 3:10am
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    Official Box Set

    i'll make my official box set prediction here: Summer '90

  • July 16, 2019 - 11:45am
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    1/2/70

    Gave this one last spin before the Dave's 31 announcement. This will be remembered as an excellent release with a great bonus disc if you subscribed.

    2019 will be remembered as a good year.

  • July 16, 2019 - 10:30am
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    Wooo-hoooo

    Fall 79, Awesome!
    Nice to mix it up a little, thanks guys!
    Also, like hearing how their going to keep trying more variety.
    But ultimately, like Dave said, not about the set list or what they played etc, it’s about how they played it!
    Personally, I’m not familiar with this one but ifs it’s anything like 11/9, 11/5&6, 12/1, or the New Years run I think we’re going to be happy!

  • July 16, 2019 - 10:03am
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    FINALLY 1979

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Who's up for a revolutionary evolutionary ride? DAVE'S PICKS VOLUME 30: FILLMORE EAST, NEW YORK, NEW YORK 1/2/70 captures the Grateful Dead as they make their first foray from the experimental 60s into their early 70s acoustic Americana period. Yes, this one is a little bit country and a little bit (psychedelic) rock and roll.

When the "Magnificent Seven" - Pigpen on percussion, T.C. on keys - first took the stage on 1/2/70, evidence was clear that the trip was about to take a turn. From their western wears to the twang in Jerry’s “broken-string blues,” it appeared they'd brought the Bakersfield sound to the Big Apple. They worked through much of what would become Workingman's Dead, stunning the crowd with laid-back numbers like "Uncle John's Band," "Casey Jones," and "Black Peter." Just the same, they satisfied 60s stalwarts with magical versions of "Dark Star," "St. Stephen," and "That's It For The Other One." Sonic alchemy, indeed!

DAVE'S PICKS VOLUME 30: FILLMORE EAST, NEW YORK, ​New York 1/2/70 has been rounded out with a bit of 1/3/70 (the subscribers-only bonus disc features the bulk of 1/3/70). It was recorded by the great Owsley "Bear" Stanley and has been lovingly mastered to HDCD specs by Jeffrey Norman.

DAVE'S PICKS VOLUME 30 is limited to 20,000 individually-numbered copies*.

*Limited to 2 per order. Very limited quantity available.

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... wow you guys with computer skills are grate!
I’m still learning lol sorry folks. Making that list, laying in bed took me a large part of my day! Lol ha ha man I’m used to index cards at the library lol 😉... thank you for sharing!
...”on a nice Sunday morning, Without any further ado ;The grateful dead ...” 10/10/76 ...that’s how the Dicks Picks #33 recording starts off with and Boom! The band plows thru ‘Might As Well’ ! Primo! 🙏😎❤️

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A lot of good songs on that list.

Looks like Dylan comes in first with 15 on that list.
Beatles in second with 9.

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26 shows in a span from April 22, (Spectrum Philly) to May 28 (Hartford). 15 Shows released as CD's and 1 from the good old down load days. 10 Shows not yet released. If you are a Keith fan, listen to the audience version of 4/23/77 Springfield show. Not only do you get a Scarlet Fire, (3rd combo ever) you get a Help>Slipknot>Franklins!!! I think you have to go to 94 to get both those combos in a show. The Row Jimmy is all Keith on the Audience version. Not advocating for more Spring 77 to be released either, oh wait..... I'm kidding I would like for the Palldium Shows to be released one of these days... Happy Easter and Passover to everyone that celebrates. bob t

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Jerry most likely played on the demo, since they were high school friends; guitar player on the recording is probably a studio musician, definitely the same guy that played on the other Bobby Freeman 1958. Check out the solo in Betty Lou Got a New Pair of Shoes and also Big Fat Woman, same guitar sound and similar licks to Do You Wanna Dance.

..and incredible shows from April and May in 1969, 1970 and 1971 ( and maybe more) dotted here and there. No opulent boxes sets to celebrate them as yet, but the Ark 1969 must surely be on the cards-especially in this anniversary year.

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Dave said a variety of formats coming in 2019.

Does that include video?

30th anniversary of Alpine 89, which has video for all three nights.

When I got Downhill From Here on VHS I thought it was great, when I upgraded to DVD the video quality was significantly better. But now that DVD seems grainy compared to Blu-rays.
A hi-def video release of Alpine 89 would be awesome.

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AlexAllan: Cool overview of the Do You Wanna Dance debate. I always forget what a great resource whitegum.com is. And the whitegum covers list is tons more searchable and chewy than the wikipedia version.

As BobT mentioned, today's the anniv of the unbelievable '77 Spring Tour. Still, I hope Sixtus, Kiethfan et al don't forget Europe '72 and the review of its T.O.O.s that began on the old Dave's 29 forum. The beat Club (w/ a T.O.O. finale) happened 47 years ago yesterday and 100 Year Hall's Other One's just around the corner. What a fine predicament trying to follow Europe '72 and Spring '77 on their anniversaries. Onward. . .

I think the problem with all those 89/90 videos is how they were recorded. They were recorded by Len Dell'Amico on 4" magnetic video tape. Essentially high quality VHS tape. It was popular in the 80's, you can notice the same grainy look on all those low budget sitcoms that are in syndication, they look dated and grainy but nobody cares much because, well, we are talking about low budget 80's TV. We do care about the video of the good ole Grateful Dead, however.

Upgrading to BluRay will not provide a video upgrade over a DVD because both medias are much higher quality than the capture of the source tape it was recorded on. You would get a sound upgrade though and better detail on the grainy source (which can in a way make it look worse).

Anything recorded on film (The Grateful Dead Movie, Sunshine Daydream, perhaps Château d'Hérouville) can be greatly improved by bringing to bringing it to BluRay, that's where you see the improvements. You can magnify and enhance the hell out of film with good results so long as it was in focus. But film was and is expensive.

I still want all this 89/90 stuff released.. I don't watch concert videos as often as I used to, but sometimes you just want concert time in the home theatre.

That's my take.. bring on the 80's video but expect it to reflect the technology of the day. The video will still be grainy.

As for E72.. I sad to admit I just finished 4/8. Perhaps there is time to catch up.

Hard to know for sure what Dave was referring to with other formats, but I too would love the idea of more DVD or Blu-ray.
Good to see JiminMD back in the mix. Their last full show release on DVD was CW&I and to my eyes was the best to date. Looked better than the View from the Vault releases of the early 2000s. I still get chills when I see the Box of Rain and they sing the chorus. Reminds me of the Box they played at Alpine shortly after that. Was a dream of mine at the time to hear that one live.
And for this year's box, I am starting to believe what others have mentioned that their has been a correlation with the RSD release and the box set. If this is the case bring on the Warfield Box, can't wait!

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Folks, PLEASE stop the madness of asking for Blue Ray video reissues! They ain't gonna waste time, effort and resources reissuing existing videos into Blue Ray. It's not 2005 anymore. DVD/BlueRay players are in only 67% of homes, down from 73% IN JUST ONE YEAR (that's a MASSIVE hockey-stick statistical drop). Most 20-year olds don't buy 'em - hell, they don't even want cable much less clunky players and discs that scratch. (https://media.thinknum.com/articles/dvd-blu-ray-sales-tanking-as-stream…), and taking a blurry/grainy image from 40 years ago and hoping a 2nd round of digitization makes any noticeable difference form the first round is a fool's errand. It wouldn't sell.

The Dead are interested in exciting new projects, not rehashing mediocre releases with video that will be twice as disappointing as the original grainy releases 20 years ago (since people weren't used to HDTV yet - we were still staring at clunky tube TV's).

This is why I don't comment much anymore. I feel like I've said everything once already (twice, actually) - feels like Groundhog Day.

They did reissue Winterland 74 in BluRay.. I have both. Had to get the BluRay.

I get the feeling there just isn't as much enthusiasm for GD DVD's/BluRay's in general. There must not be as much money in them. Still, I would like to see more.

I fired up the John Deere.. Took some time to get it started, been a while.

While it seems believable that most 20 year olds don't own dvd/blu ray players, it also seem unlikely that Dead are trying to sell products to people of that age group anyway. 20 years olds weren't even born when the band were functioning, so trying to aim for that market may well be futile.

No, I would think, and I haven't seen a survey on the subject, that most of the people who buy music by The Dead are over 40. And people of that generation are more likely to favour older technology.

Having said that, I don't watch Dead dvds, or any other dvds of live concerts for that matter, with the same regularity that I play records or cds.

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Hi All,
I haven't commented in a while but I have been following along since the DaP 29 forum discussion. So first order of business is that I cant wait until DaP 30 arrives. I have never heard these shows so this is adding to my excitement. I think the bonus disc will give us just about everything from 1/3 that is not on the other 3 CDs. Dave has become very savvy about fitting as much as he can on the main release and on the bonus discs with copyright & royalties accounted for too. These DaP's with the bonus discs have really become like mini box sets.

Second I am always happy with just about every release, box sets too. I am hoping that this years box set is from 69, or in keeping with anniversaries in decades, maybe some select shows from 79. I know this often comes up from many of us but I really would like get some new releases from Brent's rookie year. I feel that he inspired the band and the playing reflected that. Now I wouldn't complain about a Warfield box, but to me there are other 80s shows I wouldnt mind having out first. Maybe they save the Warfield box for next year - 40 year anniversary? In the end it doesn't matter as it's all good.

Finally I have been neglecting E72 and Spring 77 shows during this anniversary time. I recently acquired the Spring 1990 TOO box and I have been giving those shows a good run. What a fantastic box set. Plus I have to admit I have revisited the PNW box as well. I suffered from the defective disc pandemic so that stunted my listening to those shows when it first came out.

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Took a little dead break over the weekend.
Bob Marley - Exodus, definitely a classic album, spun me off on a recollection of a previous listen in days gone by with a now dead friend.
Jane's Addiction - Ritual de lo Habitual, sometimes it just fits a mood.
JGB - Eel River 6/10/89, currently my favorite show from the Eel River box.
Sly & the Family Stone - There's a Riot Going On, been too long since I listened to this one, good stuff from start to finish.
Peter Tosh - Bush Doctor, great album, and something cool about hearing the Mick Jagger vocals on (You Gotta Walk) Don't Look Back.
Currently started spinning the 5/9/77 Buffalo show from the GSTL box, probably the show I have listened to the most from that box. Sounds great so far.

Interesting post by Thin, really a bummer to see the decline of the disc and the rise of streaming. I just can't get behind what seems like renting access to music or movies when I can own them outright on a disc. There is also the issue of data as I am in a location where my internet access is satellite only, with enough data each month to last me about two weeks without any streaming. No cable, as I long ago lost all interest in a monthly bill to watch television. I get a bunch of free channels over the air in high-def that provide me with an abundance of opportunities to waste time on TV, and anything that I really want to see from a pay service I can usually still find on disc. Also, hard for me to get behind hooking up a TV to the internet, seems a lot like the watchful video screens from Orwell's 1984 now that there are camera's and microphones in many smart TV's. The smart devices often just seem like an invitation for a giant corporation to spy on your day to day existence to better understand your interests and how to better market more products to you. So yeah, the demise of the disc is a bummer for me.

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I think I'm in the minority, but I have a really hard time watching the dead in concert on a tv screen. The Grateful Dead movie was really cool but I have a hard time lasting long with videos like Alpine or any of the Meet Up events. Couple songs at the most. I can't even do couch tour. Different strokes I guess...

Thin and others are correct - most people aren't buying DVDs or CDs. People are streaming their shows and music, choosing to listen or watch what they want, when they want it. If Dave is talking about different formats, he almost certainly is referring to streaming, whether it be on your phone, computer or TV.

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it's hard to find the TIME to sit down to enjoy a show on video, and with my two non-Deadhead loved ones at home...

gimme CDs because I can take them in my car, to various places in the house, etc.

I would love to revisit the DVD of Closing of Winterland, but I would need the house to myself for 6+ hours.

Someday, my lads...someday.

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Live streams - sometimes (if it’s free), I think that the only time I paid for a live stream was FTW 6-27-15 and it kept freezing/buffering.
My BR/DVD player doesn’t freeze/buffer. I also don’t need an internet connection to watch discs.

I did watch the two WSP free streams this weekend at Sweetwater 420 Fest. No freezing with that.

I do watch YouTube concert videos on my TV (using the home theater for sound) to check out other bands besides GD. The recent discussions of Spirit sent me looking for video and the Rockpalast show was great. Then Daverock and Simonrob informed us that a bunch of Rockpalast shows were on DVD, which some people were happy to know about.

As far as GD, yes I want video on physical media, just like the audio.

Yes, a lot of people in the general population stream. In fact, several companies are betting big time on that being the future, as well as streaming audio.

How many people on this site want future Dead releases to be stream only?

Jim,
The John Deere is looking good. You must have parked it indoors over the winter and then gave it a wash/wax.

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I’m not always in front of the TV while they are playing, but I can still hear them.
Being able to see the TV from the kitchen is also key, you can listen while you cook and occasionally look at the TV.

I watch less than 10 Hollywood movies per year, and rarely current releases.
I try to watch Strange Brew and Big Lebowski at least once a year, both of which I have on DVD.

But concert video, I watch that a lot.
Just watched Hard Working Americans - First Waltz this weekend.

I have Sunshine Daydream on DVD and Blu Ray, the BR has higher resolution audio, which is reason right there to put stuff out on BR.

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Whatever else is going on in the outside world, CDs are expanding in this niche market. Blu Ray disc sales might do ok here if the source quality were good, but as noted, all of the worthy candidates are available already. Sunshine Daydream, Movie Soundtrack, whatever else.

CDs are on the rise here, and will at least plateau at 20K for awhile, if not rise some more next year. The completely unique selling opportunity of having so many otherwise unavailable shows in the Vault gives Rhino a marketing advantage to do the Limited Edition thing and collect $100 from almost 20K subscribers a year. It will take many more years for that number to go back down to 12,000, where it started. If 12,000 was good in 2012 then it will still be good 5 years from now, should the instant sellouts cease. It's the only place you can get it, and it's on CD in limited quantities. There would have to be a huge offer from some streaming company for Rhino to turn their back on this marketing schema. And I doubt that's going to happen, because the music still has to be engineered before it's ready for release.

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FTW and Dead & Co have made it possible for people who got into the music after Jerry died to experience the songs live.
It’s not the same, but they never saw the real thing, and don’t have a standard to compare to. It’s still better than what else is on tour these days.
This has brought in new recruits who also are buying releases (and scalpers too).
Seems that CD sales, at least, will continue for a while.

But I would still like some video too.

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GRRRRRR. How do you sell out a Dave's Picks before you even ship it? Go out on a limb and produce 30,000 instead of 20,000. if you don't order it the day it is released, you can't get it. I'm tool old to chase this shit. I'll just download a bootleg, although I'd rather buy it from you. Only, you won't allow that to happen. Wisen up guys.

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I've been keeping up with the E72 shows, so that's a good sign, but to be honest, it's always the May Dave's Picks that derails me.

There's a huge gap between the 4/17 Tivoli show and the Rockin' The Rhein show of 4/24, so I've been wearing the shit out RTR. The Dark Star => Wharf Rat => Sugar Magnolia is really just something else altogether. I keep playing it over and over, trying to figure out the Dark Star. This medley is one of my favorite extended Dead pieces of all time.

I think tomorrow I'll move on to Hundred Year Hall.

Now it's time to switch over from E72 to something else. I'm avoiding 1970 for now, to keep that period pristine for "the arrival". Maybe I'll go with that great Playing In The Band from DaP 18. Or the DaP 17 second set medley would be kind of tasty - there's a really good Eyes of the World => China Doll on that one. Not to mention the WRS => Jam. Or do I just Go To Nassau and rock out to that killer Jack Straw => Franklin's Tower opening combo......

CD guy here. Think of how boring release day would be with nothing to open.

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you wrote: "I just can't get behind what seems like renting access to music or movies when I can own them outright on a disc."

Charlie, this is the hurdle that everybody has to get over in a technology shift. The mentality has always been about ownership.

But gradually, people are going to streaming. Why? Let's say you spend $200 on a few CD's and special releases annually. But then you realize a service (Apple Music or whatever) costs $10 a month ($120/yr = 80 savings) for ALL of them PLUS ALMOST ALL THE OTHER MUSIC IN THE WORLD. You'll go broke trying to buy everything you want "a la carte". The streaming model is coming together folks, and it makes sense. Stay tuned.

Buying DVD's and Blue Ray right now is like buying 8 track tapes in 1979. I did it! And 2 years later I felt like an idiot. And sure they work great if you' stay in 1979 forever. But then suddenly it's 1983 and YOU'RE the guy/gal still proudly "collecting" 8-track tapes while everyone goes to CD! Don't be that guy.

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....yeah. About that. Been in our current house for three years. I love it, but that was one complaint I had about it. Mrs. Vguy trumped me. Now where's my sledgehammer? (a wall. Not my wife).
....streaming. I'm slowly accepting it. What choice do I have? Buffering sucks major ass. An exercise in futility. 😡 I dread being that guy who has a laptop/tablet in every room. Ptth.
❤️ Spotify....I'm not an audiophile, so it works just fine for me.

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I would love to experience Dave's Picks 30, but unfortunately, due to a ridiculous purchase process, I lost out. Won't go into gory details, but I got no help trying to deal with a problem (mistakenly ordered two cd's and tried to cancel one). Supposedly couldn't delete one unless I emailed a request. I did not get a response until 5 days later, and now the cd is sold out.

Because of this, and the fact that there is such a ridiculously low number of cd's released, making it virtually impossible to purchase a cd, I will not purchase anything from Deadnet again.

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I have no use for it.
Proud to be that guy.
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I get what you are saying, and you may be right about the expense issue to some extent, but let me expand on a couple of my points.

My total data for the month through my internet provider is 15GB. For the month. I burn through that in two weeks just reading news and for work purposes. I would be seriously limited in my ability to stream or download music, let alone video, and would have to ration my listening time. That has no appeal. My phone service is also a plan with limited data, so that really doesn't change the picture. The data limitations alone mean that streaming is not really an option unless I jump up to a substantially more expensive data plan, and then pay for the streaming service on top of that. Your calculation assumes that there is no cost to data or internet access, but that is not the case for me. I would have the streaming cost, plus the cost of the additional data needed to make it worthwhile. I get this is an issue related to my geographic location, but I really like my geographic location with it's low population density and spectacular scenery. I have limited data access, but the one of the largest roadless area in the lower 48, the Selway-Bitterroot Wilderness, is just across the valley, with hiking trails in every just about every drainage up and down the Bitterroot Valley and an abundance of other nearby wilderness areas in just about every direction. I am getting by without the extra data.

As far as cost, most of what I buy at this point is limited edition dead releases, including Dave's Picks and the annual box set, that won't be available on a streaming service, so I will be stuck paying for that on disc whether or not I stream everything else. If I buy something on disc this month and go broke with unexpected expenses next month, I can listen to the music I already own without spending a dime, but with streaming I am committed to paying the monthly fee forever or I would not be able to listen to any of "my music". I would be paying for the same music month after month, most of which I already own on disc at this point. Which brings me to sunk costs. I already have a decent number of discs, since I haven't counted in a while I'll estimate about a few hundred, maybe close to a thousand. At this point I can listen to them without paying a dime, and since they represent the things that I am most likely to listen to, I would be paying to stream a lot of music that I already own on disc and can listen to for free. And to be honest, the whole streaming thing triggers some kind of atavistic luddite response for me, and I make no claim that this is necessarily a response that will seem logical to others.

Bottom line, if you dig streaming, go for it, the future looks bright for you. If you're one of those folks who dig vinyl, good timing, it seems to have made a comeback. For me, I foresee CD's being the source of my music for the foreseeable future.

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Just as an aside, my vote goes to VGuy for the slogan of the day with "You can lead a head to Winterland, but you can't lead him to his seat."

The answer to the recurrent question of "how could I have purchased a copy of this release before it sold out?" is to SUBSCRIBE. Don't chase each Dave's Pick, subscribe and trick them into showing up at your door.

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I too prefer hardcopy CD's. As far as I know Cd's cannot loose their data in the event of electro magnetic pulse event,
solar event etc.

I also preorder Dave's Picks Subscription every year for $99. Not try something stupid like try to cancel 1/2 my placed order. Just sell the extra at cost.

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There have been so many changes in format since I bought my first L.P in 1971. The move to cassettes, on to cds, on to digitally remastered cds-circa 1995, onto new digitally remastered cds this century using the latest technology. And now streaming. I am not sure what progress has been made, really. A lot of it seems, now-with the benefit of hindsight-to be a marketing ploy.
The move from having videos, onto dvds onto blu ray seems to me to have marked progress-but a lot of improvements to consumer items is surely designed to create profit-not to improve quality.

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First.. why only ten comments per page? You blink or take a day hike and you have scroll back 10 pages to get the pulse of what's going on.

Second.. 8-Tracks always sucked... well, they were ok for the first ten plays but on the 11th play your car or portable 8-Track player would get hungry and inevitably eat your tape. Then you realized you had to buy a really nice, expensive deck so it wouldn't eat your tapes.. you'd then get 37 listens before it got hungry and ate your tape and be out an extra $350 for a new high-end, but still shitty deck. If you were skilled.. you could somehow pull it out, bend and tuck all that extra tape back into the 8-Track cassette, but every time that part of the album came on it would sllllloooowwww dooowwwwnn where it was stretched.. then skip 10 seconds where you had to cut and splice it back together with scotch tape, etc. There is no comparing any media to 8-Tracks because they sucked that bad. As soon as my first tape was eaten, I loathed them and could not wait for a better technology. They were the first media you could play in a car, once another arrived they were gone like the dodo. Plus, album art or liner notes, forget about it. Comparing any of this to 8-tracks is like wondering why no one drives Edsels anymore.

As for streaming.. I find it just doesnt work well for dead music. I mean, what band has 2,318 albums? Amazon Alexa, for example, has a ton of concerts on their service.. but asking 'her' for one and having 'her' return and play the show you like is next to impossible. "Alexa, Play Grateful Dead Cornell University, 5/8/77" (which is in there) and you get "mmm I can't find that, here's Donnie and Marie Paper Roses 1977 instead", said in the most polite, androgynous voice possible.

Streaming just becomes difficult for a band with so many [albums] or shows, whatever. If it was quicker/easier to find exactly what I want, I would stream more. Perhaps tomorrow this will get better.

Who knows. I think for deadheads, who seem to have an almost unquenchable thirst for good music.. they will stream for the convenience and buy Dave's Picks and perhaps a box set a year, so why would Rhino walk away from that extra revenue stream of the new releases from the vault? In fact, their revenue is increasing, they are not going to pull the plug just yet. Streaming is for what has already been released and all the other music you listen to, but vault releases will likely continue to be released on physical media as a niche product. ..then in a few years it will wind up on the streaming platforms.

My two cents and I could be wrong.. I see GD listeners as being perhaps streamers and I'm going to get Dave's Picks too because I want it and it makes me happy and I want it now.

Oh.. and Charlie3, I totally get why you live where you live and it being worth the sacrafice of being plugged in all the time. An amazing part of the world.. beautiful and lots to do. Nothing wrong with cities, but you are in big sky country, I'd take it for 15 (slow) gigs a month or whatever the limit is and speed is. Perhaps 5G will change some of this.

So anyway.. this could be the year of the Ark. Makes sense, doesn't it. Bolo, bolo, bolo. There, said it three times.

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All the music in the world, 90% of which I won't listen to, for 10 bucks a month sounds as good as that cable TV bill I was paying 15 bucks a month for in 1980. Was great at the time, but my cable bill is 10x the cost now, and keeps going up. Have fun with your streaming in 10 years. And besides, streaming and digital technology has killed the recording artists, and in turn, the concert scene. Piracy IS the reason the reason concert ticket sales are so high now. Artists have to make their money on the road, because there's little for them in songwriting royalties anymore. Technology killed the concert scene. What used to be a festive getaway for any who desired it is now reserved for the priveledged. And like wise Charlie said, the only CDs I buy is Limited Edition Dead CDs, and like wise KeithFan said, the fun part is opening the damn package and enjoying the artwork, the liner notes, and that great smell.

There's no turning back from it all, but make no mistake, we're being tethered and robbed in the long con. Enjoy your financial bondage.

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Man, sounds like you live in a cool place!

All good points. There are still advantages to physical product - they'll linger a long time. My wife's folks still have a VCR player and a wall full of bulky movies. But from a commercial standpoint, DVD/BlueRay's is in a death-spiral.

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As I read these posts, I come to the conclusion that I am, in some ways, "that guy." I still love having the CD in my collection, the booklets that come with it, and the music laid out together as the artist intended. I don't see technically how CD's will become obsolete, nor will the sound become degraded over time. For those of us that still enjoy putting the media in, and digging it the way the artists intended, CD's are still cool. I also love all the concert DVD's you can get now, so you can watch and listen!
That said, I also have a large memory card in my phone, which currently has over 500 of these CD's ripped to it, so I can listen to songs, make playlists, pick and artist and shuffle, etc. Lots of ways to tunes via Blue Tooth.
Also, I have SiriusXM in my car, so when driving I can still see whats happening on the Grateful Dead channel and others.
In addition, I use Pandora for streaming. Here I have created my own channels so I can listen to everything from Zappa, to The Dead and other 60's stuff, to New Wave, so guitar virtuoso's. I have channels created for all of these.
So, I am "that guy" that still buys CD's, but I'm also "this guy" that streams, uses Bluetooth from my phone, and can go for Satellite radio as the mood moves me.
My point here, is diversify!!! There are many ways to listen to music, and I love music enough to use them all. Don't limit yourself, use the technology to expand your listening realm, but don't give up on buying CD's just because streaming is available. If you love CD's, as many of us still do, buy them, if you're streaming your way to your favorite tunes, go for it. The point is, you have many ways to access music, and if you love music, this is an awesome time to be alive! Live. Love. Laugh, Listen. Peace!!

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Jim - yeah,,,, what is it with 10 per page? I usually check in the morning and today I had to back up 3 pages.

Video - never cared for it. I too can only handle a few songs. Hard to just sit on the couch.

8 Tracks,,,, never had one. Installed a shitload of them for people back in the early 70's when everyone wanted Led Zep 2 (in stereo) since most cars only had 6 watt mono am radios. I was the odd ball. I had a cassette recorder I got for Christmas one year, maybe I was 14. When I started driving and had my first car I routed a wire from my dash speaker to under the drivers seat. There it terminated in a 1/4" mini jack, I could plug this into my cassette recorder(mono recorder!!!!) and play tapes. This system also allowed me to turn on the radio and my wire would pump the sound to my mini jack, this I could jack into my cassette RECORDER jack are record songs off the radio. This was in 72 with my 66 Chrysler Newport!

I am also not in favor of this rent, no own world. You can't buy Word no more (right?), now you just rent it. Don't think you can buy any of the Microsoft software anymore, only rent.

On this streaming music front, no interest here. We seem to have every streaming service at work and someone always has some "station" on. They have a world of music available, but if you just let it play, it's the same shit everyday. The other problem (imo) with cloud storage/streaming models (plus the data cost of the downloading) is maybe today it's cheap, but a few years down the road it cost a fortune. Look at your cable bills, started off cheap-ish, now days my bill is 250 a month (cable, landline, internet) Whatever my physical media cost, I have the media. I have it backed up nine ways to Sunday (never understood that expression)

Also in the end, I just plain collect music. I have 16 banker boxes filled with cd's, all the big box sets (dead and others). Have about 15 feet of lp's (and have started buying more, even though I don't have a turntable setup,,,stupid huh?) Got about 400 45's and about 700 78's. It's a stupid trait I have,,,,, most don't understand.

oh yeah, on the streaming front, most of the kids I work with, don't have a tv, a stereo, internet connections, cable,,,etc. They have smart phones with unlimited data plans and use their phones for everything. How they can watch tv on those little screens is beyond me? A chunk use their game platform for internet access, for services like Netflix/hulu. Also most can spend a evening watching youtube stuff. There's a service that's gonna cost money down the road :-)

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I have to say, this is one impassioned discussion - and I am not surprised. We are all of the sort who are a bit rabid about our music - this is a relatively rare attribute across humanity one might think, so in this regard it also makes us extra special.

I get all sides of the discussion going on here - from people who like to have hard copies that can't be destroyed by a solar flare, to people who want nothing at all other than a slick box playing the music they love with no strings attached. Then there is everyone in between, ranging from limited access to certain technologies that could take them over a hump to others who have every imaginable setup so they can like their cake in any format and eat it too.

In my opinion, all of it is reasonable and to each their own. Personally, I love the CDs and box sets for the "being able to hold and smell them" aspect. For a long time I was not truly understanding the draw toward streaming. But, a few Christmas's ago we were gifted a Sonos speaker, and now we have 5 of them throughout the house. And this system has grown on me TREMENDOUSLY.

Not only can you link Sirius to Sonos (which we've done - GD radio, 24/7 baby), there are also a bazillion other channels that I've found (Spotify anyone?) where you can literally find every officially released GD show save the Dave's Pick's (I'm talking ALL Dick's picks, all of E'72, the entire Road Trips series, etc.). Furthermore, and this is the real kicker, I can also access the relisten app from Sonos, which of course mirrors the complete archive.org GD show history. So in reality, simply with sonos, I can play any GD show throughout the house (and any format of show, but of course I gravitate toward the C. Millers and Betty's) - hell I could play 5 different GD shows on each speaker if I wanted to. But then of course I have the big boy stereo, which in fact I Have two such setups in two different rooms, so I can spin CDs pretty much anywhere too. And, lately, I've been doing a bit of dipping into You Tube for some GD shows - there is a lot of stuff out there and people have put in the time to match up video (albeit grainy, yes, but I more see it as a historical time capsule) with the best audio source so the end result if fairly satisfying. And to conekid's point, I don't feel I need to be staring at the TV 100% of the time, but if something cool is happening with a tune, you at least can get a visual to go along with it. And I watch You Tube via my XBOX, which is hooked up to my 80-inch TV and big boy stereo #2 so it's not like I'm watching via a laptop with $hitty speakers and 12 inch screen.

Regardless - the takeaway for me is that a Deadhead's listening preference is likely to be as variable as us Deadheads ourselves. And that's not a bad thing at all - if anything its a testament as to the steadfast dedication to LISTENING that will continue to exist and thus ensure this valve of awesomeness never shuts off.

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MUATM is one way I can sit still and enjoy a show on video. No complaining from family.

re: Dave's Picks: subscribe subscribe subscribe. That's truly the only way to guarantee a copy of each. again, to paraphrase Jim Morrison: "a la carte is dead!"

aaaaaand, you don't have to stress, get to the site, order....

it's all done at one time in November/December, and you have the rest of the year to enjoy the GD (and whatever else you like.)

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I found it ironic after reading the comments yesterday and Sunday that Sirius would have that show on at noon yesterday. And with all the rain in CT yesterday 95 was a crawl so i got to listen to the whole show... I still get goose bumps when they break out We Bid You Goodnight.. Favorite run of shows that I saw... be good everyone bob t

I like seeing the band at work.

When Long Strange Trip was announced as a streaming movie I posted on this site (the previous version with the non-white background) that I would watch the movie when it came out on Blu-ray. Well, my patience paid off because I bought the Blu-ray and got a bonus disc with video that wasn’t part of the original stream.
And I can watch the video as much as I want without paying any membership fees.

Keep in mind that a lot of the general population who think streaming music is great are also the people who can only listen to 3-minute songs with a catchy beat and lyrics. They would never listen to a live concert, and would run away screaming with their fingers in their ears when they got about 5 minutes into a 30-minute Dark Star.

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Agree. For what it's worth. I think dreading provided some valuable insights, actually all the comments the last two days were quite good and had valid points.

Finished my work for the day, off for a little adventure, a mildly difficult one today, I have butterflies in my stomach just thinking about the first drop.. It's a bastard if you get it wrong. Picking some tunes.. and away I go.

Have a great day all.. Some 69 is probably in order, either for #51, #52 or a box. They have plenty from this year to chose from and the timing is right. Man.. it is a wonderful Spring day in the mountains East.. 68 degrees, a high of 72, beautiful clarity - I can see for miles and miles and sun. Time to put away the skis. :D

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For sure streaming is the future. Ironically, my 16 year old daughter the other day said she wanted a record player though, so go figure.

I do iTunes personally, meaning I purchase the albums I want digitally (maybe 2 or 3 a month) and download all my GD CDs using their version of lossless. Works GRATE, using a Bose wireless speaker I play what I want from the laptop and the speaker can follow me from room to room.

If I want something more mindless, I stream the two best public radio stations in the world, KEXP in Seattle and KXCI in Tucson using Alexa. Add to that daily NPR and about 5 podcasts I listen to every week and there is almost too much to listen to these days! It's a good time to be a deadhead.

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