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    7 Previously Unreleased Complete Shows On 20 Discs
    Fox Theatre, St. Louis, MO 12/09/71
    Fox Theatre, St. Louis, MO 12/10/71
    Fox Theatre, St. Louis, MO 10/17/72
    Fox Theatre, St. Louis, MO 10/18/72
    Fox Theatre, St. Louis, MO 10/19/72
    Kiel Auditorium, St. Louis, MO 10/29/73
    Kiel Auditorium, St. Louis, MO 10/30/73
    Sourced from tapes recorded by Rex Jackson, Owsley "Bear" Stanley, and Kidd Candelario
    Mastered in HDCD by Jeffrey Norman
    Restoration and Speed Correction by Plangent Processes
     
    Individually Numbered, Limited Edition of 13,000

    Steamboats and BBQ, ice cream cones and Mardi Gras - are you ready to laissez les bons temps rouler with the "gateway" to the Grateful Dead? Meet us, won't you, in St. Louis for seven complete and previously unreleased Dead concerts that capture the heart of the band's affinity for the River City.
     
    LISTEN TO THE RIVER: ST. LOUIS ’71 ’72 ’73 is a 20CD set featuring five shows from the Fox Theatre - December 9 and 10, 1971; October 17-19, 1972; and two from the Kiel Auditorium - October 29 and 30, 1973. 
     
    The seven shows in the collection span slightly less than two years, but they represent some of the best shows the Grateful Dead played during some of its peak tours. The music tells the story of a band evolving, changing from one sound to another seamlessly, precipitated – in large part – by significant personnel changes in the Dead’s lineup.
     
    The two 1971 shows feature the original Grateful Dead lineup plus newcomer Keith Godchaux on piano. This version of the band would hold together for the next six months as the Dead embarked upon its Europe ’72 tour. By the time the Dead returned to the Fox Theatre less than a year later, they were without Pigpen, who’d played his final show with the Dead at the Hollywood Bowl on June 17, 1972. A year after the exceptional Fox 1972 shows, the Dead came back to St. Louis, but played the much larger Kiel Auditorium, touring behind the release of WAKE OF THE FLOOD, which came out just two weeks before.
     
    All told, the band played 60 different songs during these shows highlighted by blazing romps through “Beat It On Down The Line” and “One More Saturday Night” and wistful takes on “Row Jimmy” and “Brokedown Palace” (whose lyrics give the collection its name). Meanwhile, the copious jamming ebbed and flowed like the mighty Mississippi River on multiple voyages through “The Other One” and “Dark Star.” Naturally, the band paid tribute to one of its favorite rock and rollers and one of St. Louis’ biggest stars by playing Chuck Berry songs at every show in the collection, including Pigpen galloping through “Run Rudolph Run.”  
     
    Each show has been restored and speed corrected using Plangent Processes with mastering by Jeffrey Norman. The collection comes in a slipcase with artwork by Liane Plant and features an 84-page hardbound book as well as other Dead surprises. To set the stage for the music, the liner notes provide several essays about the shows, including one by Sam Cutler, the band’s tour manager during that era, and another by Grateful Dead scholar Nicholas G. Meriwether, among others. 
     
    Due October 1st, LISTEN TO THE RIVER: ST. LOUIS ’71 ’72 ’73, is limited to 13,000 individually numbered copies and available exclusively from Dead.net.

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  • That Mike
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    Jerry sitting in a tub of baked beans!?!?

    I think you hit hammer to nail, Oro - it is saturation. Plus, as you pointed out, it is likely more a case with the less hard core Dead Head, in that they may see a certain pattern to these box sets, and just how many “Me And My Uncle” versions does a fan have to own!? For those that are more deeply entrenched in ALL THINGS GRATEFUL DEAD, all the box set releases are worthy of owning. I think DaveRock has an interesting suggestion in going directly to people to canvas them via survey (savvy marketing); anyone reading these threads for a while will notice, for instance, a roaring demand for some 60s material see the light of day.

    To me, if I’m a fan of artist Edward Hopper (I am), I’m going to want to see as much of his art as possible, for my Hopper Fan Boy eyes see subtleties and complexities others maybe wouldn’t; a casual art observer may be content with his “Greatest Hits”, ie - Nighthawks or Chop Suey.

    Regardless, this River box is a winner, as are all the boxes I am fortunate enough to own.

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    Funnily enough I remember doing a Survey monkey survey over on LL regarding box sets that people would like to see, a couple of years before the E72 box came out. I included Fox Theatre 72 ( my favourite) but E72 was the clear winner. The general consensus at the time was that it would never happen 😀.

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    Maybe if the boxes aren't selling out so fast it would be a good idea to do a survey - find out what most people would most like. Maybe at this stage of the game there are more and more people who aren't going to buy literally everything - just shows or eras that they particularly like. So if the powers that be knew what the most wanted eras were, they could focus more on those.
    That's assuming that people still want big box sets, that is. They might something entirely different.

  • Oroborous
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    Or maybe…

    some, the general public, as compared to the hardcore addicts who hang here, have purchased enough of basically, relatively speaking, the same stuff over and over?
    Now don’t get yer panties in a bunch, I love this box, the 2 Dark Star discs alone are worth it to ME! And they all sound good, but those 71 shows sound amazing!
    But my point is there are a shit ton of Deadheads out there who aren’t us, way more that don’t come hang here, or think about the dead anywhere near as much or how we do.
    I agree to all the points you guys have made, but perhaps there are other, additional, bigger factors in why a couple of seemingly instant sell out boxes have languished…burn out and/or satiation?
    Just riffing here, but you have to consider that there are folks who feel they have enough (ok, easy now, I know, I know sacrilege lol) of this relatively small window but high concentration of shows?
    MAYBE that’s why something like Giants sold out so fast? As I say, I agree with what you guys have said, but maybe some folks would like a little more variety? Just a thought. Doesn’t mean your opinion is not valid (holy shit, spell check tried to change that to Vlad! NO, BAD SPELL CHECK!) just means gulp, some people like more and/or other stuff.
    I know I kinda feel this way and I like ALL years! As long as it’s a great show comparatively to its year or tour, I’ll take whatever they’ll give, but I also know I can get burned out on any era if I listen to it too much, but hey, that’s just me.
    Once again I’m probably proving I’m Sargent Shultz ; )

  • icecrmcnkd
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    STL Box is awesome

    A download version is available for those who are shelf-space-challenged, so maybe that contributes to the physical Box not yet being sold out.
    Wonder if the download version will be discontinued when the Box is sold out.

    Dave,
    Time to announce the next Box.

  • JimInMD
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    BCE'd for the win

    Sounds about right.

    I think the boxes take longer to sellout for two reasons.
    - Sticker shock
    - You get some shows you love and a few tangent shows tossed in just because

    I personally really enjoy them, I am not sure there is a stinker in the bunch. It also opens up exposure to things just around the bend that you might not have been shown the light to. Thinking July '78 and the Giants box for example. Really great music and great recordings from shows (with the exception of 7/8/78) that had escaped my attention.

    As for price, the cost per disc is not high, they just contain a shlits ton of music.

    As for the price tag and shelf space dilemmas, so far I have been able to make peace with it all. Which begs the next question, what box will grace our doorsteps this year?

  • Born Cross Eye…
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    When will this St Louis box sell out?

    Who really knows, because I don't. My guess is December 2022. By then we will have another box to buy (if we want it)
    However, this St Louis box has some great music in it.

  • daverock
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    No sell out here

    I wonder if the further we go back in time, the less likely a box is to sell out quickly. I get the impression that a lot of people are more interested in shows-or tours for that matter - where they themselves were present , rather than ones from before their time.
    I'm not personally like that - although I would say that in the years I did see them-1981 and 1990 - I would be more interested in boxes/releases from the European tours than I would from ones on either side of them. But I would still prefer a box from 1969 or 1972 to one 81 or 90. Possibly because it wasn't seeing them live that turned me on to them, it was listening to the records. Also, to come to the crunch, at this moment in time I prefer the music from 69 and 72 to the later dates.

    Incidentally, I don't think there are any long term bands or musicians where I like all their music from across several decades equally. David Bowie, Hawkwind , The Stones and Iggy Pop all come to mind as people whose records I loved during the 60s and 70s - but who I went off to differing degrees as the late 70s- 80s kicked in. It was always the music I liked more than the scene surrounding it. I never felt that by liking a musician/band/style of music that I was joining some kind of club.

    Going back to the Dead, I agree that the 3rd disc of 10/18/72 is the epicentre of the St Louis box.

  • JimInMD
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    I am not surprised at all this has not sold out. Par for the course for non-1977 or 1972 excellent box sets. PNW, July 78 and many others took sometimes years to sell out. It's interesting as a similar quality show from Dave's Picks for a larger numbered run (where are we now, about 25k) sells out in a few hours.

    I'll take the win, love 72 and 77 but this period scratches my itch, and these shows are quintessential, simply killer.
    Disc 3 of 10/18 is sublime, a single disc worth the price of the whole box. The rest is a bonus.

    I could care less if it never sells out or if nobody buys another copy. I purchased this the first day it was offered, made amends to my budget. All was and is good with the world.

    Edit: I think I thought the same thing when I got FW69, E72 and Winterland 77. So if you miss out, don't look on EBay and you were warned..

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    im amazed that this box set…

    im amazed that this box set still has not sold out. Was listening to it over the weekend and although the shows a readily available to download they are not this stellar of quality. You can hear everything very clear. You can tell some time was spent remixing these gems. All shows represented in this box set are smoking and take the listener from rocking good time dead to far out, installer travel. If you haven't purchased get it while its still available. Its a chunk a change for sure, but man its owe so sweet and is well worth the price. the other items that come with are interesting and cool mementos, but man the music is outrageous. Enjoy!!

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What's Inside:
7 Previously Unreleased Complete Shows On 20 Discs
Fox Theatre, St. Louis, MO 12/09/71
Fox Theatre, St. Louis, MO 12/10/71
Fox Theatre, St. Louis, MO 10/17/72
Fox Theatre, St. Louis, MO 10/18/72
Fox Theatre, St. Louis, MO 10/19/72
Kiel Auditorium, St. Louis, MO 10/29/73
Kiel Auditorium, St. Louis, MO 10/30/73
Sourced from tapes recorded by Rex Jackson, Owsley "Bear" Stanley, and Kidd Candelario
Mastered in HDCD by Jeffrey Norman
Restoration and Speed Correction by Plangent Processes
 
Individually Numbered, Limited Edition of 13,000

Steamboats and BBQ, ice cream cones and Mardi Gras - are you ready to laissez les bons temps rouler with the "gateway" to the Grateful Dead? Meet us, won't you, in St. Louis for seven complete and previously unreleased Dead concerts that capture the heart of the band's affinity for the River City.
 
LISTEN TO THE RIVER: ST. LOUIS ’71 ’72 ’73 is a 20CD set featuring five shows from the Fox Theatre - December 9 and 10, 1971; October 17-19, 1972; and two from the Kiel Auditorium - October 29 and 30, 1973. 
 
The seven shows in the collection span slightly less than two years, but they represent some of the best shows the Grateful Dead played during some of its peak tours. The music tells the story of a band evolving, changing from one sound to another seamlessly, precipitated – in large part – by significant personnel changes in the Dead’s lineup.
 
The two 1971 shows feature the original Grateful Dead lineup plus newcomer Keith Godchaux on piano. This version of the band would hold together for the next six months as the Dead embarked upon its Europe ’72 tour. By the time the Dead returned to the Fox Theatre less than a year later, they were without Pigpen, who’d played his final show with the Dead at the Hollywood Bowl on June 17, 1972. A year after the exceptional Fox 1972 shows, the Dead came back to St. Louis, but played the much larger Kiel Auditorium, touring behind the release of WAKE OF THE FLOOD, which came out just two weeks before.
 
All told, the band played 60 different songs during these shows highlighted by blazing romps through “Beat It On Down The Line” and “One More Saturday Night” and wistful takes on “Row Jimmy” and “Brokedown Palace” (whose lyrics give the collection its name). Meanwhile, the copious jamming ebbed and flowed like the mighty Mississippi River on multiple voyages through “The Other One” and “Dark Star.” Naturally, the band paid tribute to one of its favorite rock and rollers and one of St. Louis’ biggest stars by playing Chuck Berry songs at every show in the collection, including Pigpen galloping through “Run Rudolph Run.”  
 
Each show has been restored and speed corrected using Plangent Processes with mastering by Jeffrey Norman. The collection comes in a slipcase with artwork by Liane Plant and features an 84-page hardbound book as well as other Dead surprises. To set the stage for the music, the liner notes provide several essays about the shows, including one by Sam Cutler, the band’s tour manager during that era, and another by Grateful Dead scholar Nicholas G. Meriwether, among others. 
 
Due October 1st, LISTEN TO THE RIVER: ST. LOUIS ’71 ’72 ’73, is limited to 13,000 individually numbered copies and available exclusively from Dead.net.

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Just heard about the upcoming slow down at USPS; guessing we'll get it in the US by Halloween with any luck.
In the meantime, I think I'll pick up the 2 Download Series I'm missing.

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Heard an NPR story that this will be a global problem because a lot of ships with shipping containers are being held up. Prices are also expected to skyrocket for the holidays.

I don't think a global trade war was such a great idea. Add a global pandemic to the mix and it's a perfect storm disaster.

Crazy because of the time lapse from the last box from '76 that was released just as the pandemic hit came out earlier in the year than they usually do.

I suspect Dave's Picks 40 will also be delayed. Hopefully the quality of the product doesn't suffer from rearranging logistics for future releases and the production of them.

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Shipping is a generic term rather than specific to ships. Even though I live across the pond, I am not expecting my order to be sent by ship, indeed I don't think it will see the inside of a shipping container either. I am hoping it will be sent using one of those new-fangled flying machines. Even so, using such modern methods, recent orders from the US and Canada have taken between two and seven weeks to get to me. I hope I receive this highly anticipated box before Christmas.

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You could be forgiven for thinking they still use real ships given the time it takes !

Bit of a shock for me this week with the latest order from Bear Family in Germany - the duty has gone through the roof. They wouldnt deliver unless I paid up -first time this has happened. This, combined with the postage, adds up t what I paid for the box nearly - and that wasn't cheap.

What with Covid and Brexit, the simple act of rocking has become strewn with obstacles.

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not good to hear.
What does ''rockin' in the free world'' actually mean?
Seems like govts take advantage of other peoples freedom, in the 21st century.
''when will we ever learn?''
G.

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My Neil Young @ Carnegie Hall which I ordered this week, will not arrive until 10/13 - 10/21 range. Granted I ordered it this week when WharfratWhitey mentioned it.

BOBLOPES - My Live at Carnegie Hall cd arrived this evening. Not played it yet, hopefully tomorrow.

Edit: I’ve now heard the album. I was, slightly, concerned before listening because ‘Mojo’ magazine had given it 4 stars because of the out of time clapping from the audience!
In reality, that only happened on ‘Sugar Mountain’ . For what is described as on official bootleg the recording is great and it’s a fantastic concert of solo acoustic Neil Young. The same magazine gave a 4 star rating to the soon to come 20cd box set as well so they must have had a copy of the digital files.

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Possibly a production delay, such as defective CD’s that they decided should get fixed before releasing the Box and then having to send out replacements.
If it’s a shipping issue then the pallets of Box Sets probably haven’t made it to the Gnarlywood warehouse.

We pay for shipping with Box Sets so they previously haven’t come through Mail Innovations like DaP’s do.
So, hopefully once the Boxes do ship they come either UPS or FedEx.

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Yeah for me the box sets always come through UPS, the Dave’s Picks through USPS. This is the most anticipated for a box release I’ve been since the Get Shown the Light., been really digging these ‘71 shows they are giving us. The extra wait is excruciating, but at least 12/10/71 is available for streaming, and it’s a monster.

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I bought the full series, but am only able to download the first two discs of music. Is anyone else having this issue?

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Dave's #40 is due October 29.
It is going to be a busy month.

I still think they should put out some music during November through December.
Last year subscriptions went on sale October 23.

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I wonder if this will ship when they say. They haven't even shown us a picture or an unboxing. I received the 3cd set 12/10/71 from Amazon on Friday.

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My email says it will ship at the top of the week. is that an Americanism?

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My email says it will ship at the top of the week. is that an Americanism?

Posted by: Colin Gould on Sat, 10/02/2021 - 08:42

Yes, Colin Gould, it is an Americanism.

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USPS just announced they are suspending ALL mail deliveries to New Zealand, Australia, Samoa, and 18 other countries citing "lack of available transportation" and insinuating that it is Covid-19 related. I suspect the infamous Mr. Dejoy may be playing part of his self enriching scheme here. At least "suspending" sounds like it could come back at some point. Or not! Like the sorting machines? Guess I'll be sending my sister a paperless X-mas card this year.
Cheers! ( I need a drink after that)

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So weird. Usually we would see the unboxing and contents of the box. Wonder what happened????

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I got around to listening to the new officially released Fox Theatre, St Louis, MO 12/10/71 I bought thru Amazon.
I already had an unofficial version which I used to enjoy until today, from the "Grateful Dead '71 Dead" big yellow box of 21 discs sourced from FM radio broadcasts.

There is no comparison!
The new official release blows the unofficial recording out of the water! Simple as that.
However, I do like that extra track between Good Lovin' & Brokedown Palace, "Talking / Tuning" Haha!

A grateful thanks to all at Rhino who made it happen!

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When I went in to the record store on High Street in Oxford OH, during October of 1973 to buy the new album, Wake of the Flood, little did I know that Row Jimmy, MS Half-Step, Stella Blue and Eyes of the World would become favorite songs of mine. Sure rekindles memories of seeing the band perform on 10/27/73 in Indy.

It's still good value, though, that yellow box. The three stand out shows- for me - are 10/19/71, 11/7/71 and 12/5/71. 11/7 being one of the best of any year. It would be great if that one got an official release on cd, vinyl and t shirt.

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I've heard of Stormy Monday, Ruby Tuesday, Hump Day, Thirsty Thursday, Thank God It's Friday, this weekend, next weekend, this coming Monday, all the days and the days between. I've heard of "top of the morning." But the "top of next week"? Never hear that 'un. And I'm pretty durned Americun if I do sez so myself.

Not to be, as Hamlet said, negative, but "heading your way at the top of next week" has a hint of "the check is in mail" (speaking of Americanisms). It sounds like what it probably means is 'hopefully pretty soon but don't count on it."

Which is fine, really. I was glad to at least get some acknowledgment that they know there are thousands of us out there who have been checking our email every few hours hoping for a shipping notice, and at least they're aware that we're all wondering why nothing seems to be happening. A little more specific would've been cool, but they probably still don't know exactly when the sets will ship and they didn't want to leave us hanging, but didn't want to promise something they couldn't deliver, either.

So, whatever, now we have time to ponder the mysteries of Time. Tick tock.

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It's Eddie Cochran's birthday today - left us way too early, at 21.

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Plus I just got a UPS notice that a shipping label has been created. 5.6 lbs

A little disappointed that they are using UPS Surepost and not straight UPS

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I wasn't aware of that, so thanks for bringing it up. I agree 100%-his records sound as fresh and life affirming now as they did the day they were cut. I might dust off that dvd of his performance at the Town Hall Party later on.

Nice pick of the tele as your avatar, incidentally. A couple of weeks ago I had the capacitors changed on my Japanese pink paisley tele. It's gone from sounding like a tinny and harsh copy to being a full bodied rocker - more like the 60's model it is based on. I couldn't believe how much the sound has improved - like a new instrument. So, a highly recommended upgrade if you have any Japanese fenders in your house.

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Streamed it on Apple Music and gotta say it's exceptional! I had it previously on the Euro FM box and another SBD copy and those never really stood out to me. But this official release has amazing sound and the show just rocks and flows perfectly. My fave '71 shows generally occur late in the year after Keith arrived (Albuquerque, Ann Arbor, Felt Forum, Boston, Austin, etc.) Maybe I was just in the proper mood or so badly wanting to dip into the new box, but it really hit the spot.

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That Tele's a partscaster, very light body and great(All Parts) neck. However, I'm having same issue you had, the pickups are extremely harsh, especially the bridge pu which is barely usable. I should replace the caps like you did. In the meantime I'm switching to my H530 Heritage, 2 P90s...warm and crisp.
Btw, I don't recall ever seeing pictures of Jerry with a Tele; or a Jazzmaster.

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Cousins - I seem to remember Jerry playing a telecaster in the Festival Express film of the 1970 train ride . He is playing it while guesting with another band - I forget who now-not one of the famous ones, and not one that is listed on the back of the dvd box I have here. He doesnt really stretch out on it, as I recall. I don't remember ever seeing him with photographed with a jazzmaster, though.

It's a pity he didn't play a tele The Dead occasionally, especially during the early 70s. Bob seems to have played one on rare occassions - I think he is photographed with one at the Melkweg show in 1981.

I'm not familiar with the Heritage guitar you mention- but ones with P90 pickups always attract me. There's an Epiphone copy of a Les Paul Junior widely available at the moment that is supposed to be as good, if not better, than the Gibson one. But at a fraction of the price. The one in TV yellow with 2 pickups looks to be the one !

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Do an internet images search for Jerry with Elvis Costello. Isn't that a Jazzmaster he's playing?

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I almost spit out my cereal! :-P

-edit- Or, should I say...'Settle back easy, Jim....' :-)

-edit 2- Jerry on a StairMaster?

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But my UPS account says that I have a Sure Post package coming from Gnarlywood.
UPS is not yet in possession of said package.

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First I got the UPS notification, then 6 hrs later, I got the shipping notification from dead.net. I haven’t checked tracking because that will just drive me crazy. I’m sure it hasn’t moved anywhere yet

I couldn't resist. I purchased and just wrapped it up and shipped it.. I am gifting it to you, DaveRock as I am sure you will use it for good instead of evil.

All you have to do is pay the import duties/tariffs. :D

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Coming soon

:))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))

Congrats to those getting this or about to. My update is "Not shipped." But hey, if it gets here in a few weeks in one piece, and the discs work, and the box set isn't a steamer trunk or a giant replica of the St. Louis Arch, I'll be good.

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Sez it shipped last night at 7,,,, it's telling me Saturday!!!

We'll see,,,, I think more like Tuesday. Unless UPS gets it to the PO by Thursday, maybe Friday, I will not see until next week,,,,, UPS doesn't work on the weekends.

I have a space already cleared on the shelf for the "Loaf".

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Mine says it was delivered when all I got was the shirt (nice BTW). Fingers firmly crossed. All good things in all good time?

-edit- Based on the estimated weight of the package, it was only supposed to be the shirt anyway for now. I'm assuming I'll get separate tracking info. once the box ships out. So, I'm not fretting (yet).

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Shipping Notice came this morning, UPS shows shipped, delivery estimate Wednesday 13th. I ain't superstitious...
(Jeff Becks version from Truth playing in my head right now)
Last three:
Dave McMurray Grateful Deadication
Keith Jarrett Munich
Charles Lloyd Hyperion with Higgins
Signed up to work two events indoors, where's my boostah. Roseanne Cash, then Mike Gordon with Leo Kottke. Holding a second row seat for Pat Metheny next month.
Fall colors are popping here in Vermont.

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