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    Or, just where was Minglewood anyway? Who was Sugaree? And related issues.

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    I'm doing a research report on The Grateful Dead for school, and I suppose I'm stuck on their influences. Being as young as I am it's hard for me to see where they got their ideas from, when I seem to be stuck on who took ideas FROM them. ANY help on where to start with this one, or anything anyone thinks I should put into this paper... feel free to comment! MUCH appreciated! - Your newest "Dead Head" :)
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    where did the songs come from
    I recentley saw a show on tv abt. the Hells Angles , kinda makes me wonder how did the song candy man come about,. those guyskinda did stuff like that (from what the documentary say`s).. there is a few others that kinda resemble the Deads relationship with the Hells Angles,, just food for thought,,,
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    Gus Cannon's Jug Stompers
    Yazoo Records, founded by the late Nick Perls, has issued a wealth of Delta music from the '20s and '30s, including a compilation of Gus Cannon's Jug Stompers music. The Grateful Dead (and Mother McCree's Uptown Jug Champions) adapted "Minglewood Blues," "Big Railroad Blues" and the epic "Viola Lee Blues" from those recordings. Well worth checking out! 60S2NZ"
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    I've always thought that Harry Smith's "Anthology of American Folk Music" is a great place to start in discovering the underground history of American folk and rock. A few of the Dead's songs ancestry can be traced to these recordings: Stackalee--Frank Hutchison 1928 Kassie Jones--Furry Lewis 1928 Minglewood Blues--Cannon's Jug Stompers with Noah Lewis--1928 Spike Driver Blues--Mississippi John Hurt 1928 Yo Soy Boricua!
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Or, just where was Minglewood anyway? Who was Sugaree? And related issues.
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I've always thought that Harry Smith's "Anthology of American Folk Music" is a great place to start in discovering the underground history of American folk and rock. A few of the Dead's songs ancestry can be traced to these recordings: Stackalee--Frank Hutchison 1928 Kassie Jones--Furry Lewis 1928 Minglewood Blues--Cannon's Jug Stompers with Noah Lewis--1928 Spike Driver Blues--Mississippi John Hurt 1928 Yo Soy Boricua!
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Yazoo Records, founded by the late Nick Perls, has issued a wealth of Delta music from the '20s and '30s, including a compilation of Gus Cannon's Jug Stompers music. The Grateful Dead (and Mother McCree's Uptown Jug Champions) adapted "Minglewood Blues," "Big Railroad Blues" and the epic "Viola Lee Blues" from those recordings. Well worth checking out! 60S2NZ"
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I recentley saw a show on tv abt. the Hells Angles , kinda makes me wonder how did the song candy man come about,. those guyskinda did stuff like that (from what the documentary say`s).. there is a few others that kinda resemble the Deads relationship with the Hells Angles,, just food for thought,,,
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I'm doing a research report on The Grateful Dead for school, and I suppose I'm stuck on their influences. Being as young as I am it's hard for me to see where they got their ideas from, when I seem to be stuck on who took ideas FROM them. ANY help on where to start with this one, or anything anyone thinks I should put into this paper... feel free to comment! MUCH appreciated! - Your newest "Dead Head" :)
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Hey , Rockwithyouboy,, Man there is so much history of the Dead it would take weeks to tell you everything .. soo many books out there also (probobley more books than i know abt.),, my best suggestion for you would be the public library..and lots of internet work, also,,..The Grateful Deads history go`s way back to the early 60`s. Jerry Garcia got into blugrass,folk type music and also some gospel music.. The Dead , was first named the Warlocks, then eventually changed the name to the GD ,, from my understanding the name Grateful Dead was derived from old scotich folklore..Meaning one who has passed with unfinished buissness, when the dead took care of the unfinished buissness then they (the dead people) where considered grateful,, and then they could pass on to the other side or whatever,.. Hope my info is correct,, and hope this helps you out ,.... good luck with your paper ,,..
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a few good Cd's to get The Music Never Stooped - Roots of the Grateful Dead Shanachie 6014 put together by David Gans and Henry Kaiser The Roots of Grateful Dead and Jerry Garcia Catfish records http://www.amazon.com/Roots-Grateful-Dead-Various-Artists/dp/B00005IA7B and Mother Mcree;s Uptown Jug Champions GD records- - - - - - - - - - - - - - http://spanishsunshinedaydream.blogspot.com/ http://www.facebook.com/photos.php?id=633338979 Spanish Jam
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Does anyone around here know the Randy Jackson who put together the website Roots of the Grateful Dead, here: http://taco.com/roots/roots.html (He's NOT the guy from Journey/Idol judge.) I've referred to his site many times over the years, and I get worried every time I look at the note at the bottom of the front page that reads "Last updated 12/13/1996". So, I archived all of his information from that website, and I'd like to get in touch with him regarding it, but the e-mail address listed for him isn't valid any more, and I can't seem to find him anywhere on the internet. He has some really good stuff on there, and it would be sad if it weren't available any longer. If anyone knows him or how to get a hold of him, could you please PM me? Thanks very much! Kutsavi
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Hopefully someone can help me with this, I know the root of the song, just don't know the name of the song GD played it as or what recordings I might find it on. It's a cover of Emerson, Lake, & Palmer's "Karn Evil 9 - 1st Impression: Part II" - Lyrics go "Welcome back my friends, to the show that never ends. We're so glad you could attend, come inside, come inside...." I'm positive they've covered the song and about 99% sure it featured Bob Weir on vocals. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks!
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the song cant remember the title but have no recollection of the dead ever covering this ?
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Elegy (1586)
Chidiock Tichborne

My prime of youth is but a frost of cares;
My feast of joy is but a dish of pain,
My crop of corn is but a field of tares,
And all my good is but vain hope of gain:
The day is past, and yet I saw no sun,
And now I live, and now my life is done.

My tale was heard, and yet it was not told,
My fruit is fallen, and yet my leaves are green,
My youth is spent, and yet I am not old,
I saw the world, and yet I was not seen:
My thread is cut, and yet it is not spun,
And now I live, and now my life is done.

I sought my death, and found it in my womb,
I looked for life, and saw it was a shade,
I trod the earth, and knew it was my tomb,
And now I die, and now I was but made;
The glass is full, and now the glass is run,
And now I live, and now my life is done.

** - would be ideal set to music by Garcia.

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Take a look at the cover songs GD performed for some insight:

Johnny B. Goode, The Promised Land, Around And Around - all Chuck Berry songs (Rock & Roll)

Mama Tried, Sing Me Back Home - Merle Haggard songs (Bakersfield Country & Western)

Oh Babe, It Ain't No Lie - Elizabeth Cotten (North Carolina Country/Folk - performed by acoustic GD). She also wrote and recorded a song titled 'Shake Sugaree' that might have inspired the Garcia/Hunter song 'Sugaree'.

Tore Up Over You (3rd JG solo album) - Hank Ballard & The Midnighters (50s R & B). The song was written by Ballard. Ballard also just happened to write 'The Twist'...yeah 'The Twist'!

El Paso - Marty Robbins (Texas Country & Western). Written by Robbins who also wrote a song called 'Sugaree' that was covered by Hank Ballard and might have also inspired Garcia/Hunter's 'Sugaree'.

I think you can see their influences were many and varied...and don't forget about the Jazz influence of John Coltrane & Miles Davis...they would have their main influences on the 'Jams' & 'Space' portions of shows (imho). As another poster stated read, read, read!