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BUT should there be some errors found please correct these as I bounced back and forth and looked to find what I could. You know at this stage of the game, a synapse in this brain is quite elusive. Vine on!!!!!!!!

i found the SanDiego NOV1973 original vine growing in the original Vine formu u left on the site...it was on pg 74 when I posted it. i cant start a new vine as u know and would need u to do that for us..thanx 143or245 stay safe and feel good!

the vine now named Cream Puff NOV73 was the original vine entitled SanDiegoNOV 1973...thanx for ur help! 143or245 stay safe and feel good!

so lets keep the Hampton '89 Reseed vine on page 1, and delete the old initial Hampton '89 vine on page 2. (the reseed has the current offerings/additional shows, and deleting the initial vine will stop people from signing up on a non-functional vine). I should have seen that when I was cut and pasting last night but it was difficult to keep track. This is definately a more 'user friendly' presentation and I can actually see very now all the vines that are available. Again, thanks for your efforts with this new set-up.

this is from another group more Charlie Miller Offerings Charlie has these in store in the not too distant future 11/11/73 pitch corrected 6/22/73 4/23/69 Oct 78 run 5/7/77 10/9/77 10/14/77 10/16/77 10/28/77 10/29/77 10/20/77 5/26/77 5/28/77 8/4/79 1/13/80 6/23/90 6/24/90 also 2 Ark shows from 69 21st and 22nd April, downloading Now Bob - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Spanish Jam

it could take me a whilke to download that lot, and they haven't started yet, could make something of the first 2008 vines Bob - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Spanish Jam

FYI Bob, a couple of those shows you listed above have already been vined (5/7/77 and 10/16/77). Sidenote: The '69 show is from the run at The Ark in Boston. That is supposed to be a great run, though I have never heard any of it.

Hey Bob,I Have All Three Night's Of That Run,If You Were Going To Vine Those Two Out,I Could Get You The Third For your set,I Have 4-23-69,Along With 4-21 & 4-22 I Have It On flac Unseperated,I Use wave pad to Seperate But i Havn't done That One yet,And You Would Probably Like The Show Unseperated At First Anyways,Then You Can Cut It Up Anyway You Want.Pm Me If your Intrested, Brian.

Just got a new PC Windows Vista. Nero 8 Cant seem to burn Shn or Flac files. Is there a file decoder that works with Vista and Nero?

the 22nd has "The Mother of all Encores" ( Davids Gans described it as, i think) Bob - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Spanish Jam

I don't Know Anything About nero 8,But I Know About Vista.Vista Has To Many Bugs In It,I Removed vista From My PC,And Put XP On It.I Will Not Use VIsta Until Service Packs 1&2 Come Out .Even Then I Might Wait Awhile So They Can Work Out All The Problems.It Will Be A Good System Eventuly.That Being Said ,I Use Dvd Plus,From Sonic.And It Burns Flac.Hope This Helps,Brian

I May Have Misunderstood What You Were Trying To do,NCH Software Makes alot Of Good Programs For The Trader,I Have The Suite,Which Has every Thing You Will Need.But For File ConVersion NCh Makes Switch,Wich Is Easy To Use And You Can Covert Files,With No Hassel,Very Easy To Use,There Is Traders Little Helper Which Is Another program That Will Convert Yor files,One Little Suggestion,Once Converted To Wav,Burn And Return To Flac Then Back On A Dvd.You Don't Want To Fill Your Hard drive's.It Slows Down Your Computer.Hope This Helps.Brian

Yes, I remember that tape of the 22nd. I had a horrible tape but the music is so great, I learned to bear with the hiss. I can't wait.Bob, did the fall 89 vine begin??

Anyone use Winamp to rip, convert to WAV, and play FLAC files?

Hello fellow viners. I don't seem to have copied the list of songs for PERRO, could someone email this to me. What vine did this come with? Thanks for your help If the doors of perception were cleansed, everything would appear to man as it is, infinite. Wiliam Blake

Hal Was Looking For The Perro sessions1970-1971 ,I PM'ed Him The Set List.That Dusty Vinyl Sure Sounds Good,Any Way I Could Get A Copy?

Thank you marye and yamadog. The PERRO sessions is what I was looking for. I do have the album you mention marye, it is an 80's continuation of Sunfighter, Blows Against The Empire and Ballad of the Chrome Nun from the 70's. I loved all that stuff. Had some awesome Jerry solos on Blows. Too bad Kantner and co. didn't follow this path instead of the more commercial Jefferson Starship one. They lost me after about the 3rd album. Oh well, they can probably retire comfortably. If the doors of perception were cleansed, everything would appear to man as it is, infinite. Wiliam Blake

Many Thanks For The Link,Will Be Ordering Some Of The Offerings.Have A Great Weekend.

I've listened to two of our vines in recent nights using iTunes. I'm pretty farmiliar with this program now and I'm pretty sure that on importing, I'm not adding gaps between songs. I even have the crossfade playback set to 2 seconds which should make the songs run together. Is there something I'm missing or did the vines come with gaps between songs?

Your iTunes is probably OK. The last 2 vines Ive recvd have had gaps. (JGB87 and GD70)

I haven't listened to JGB 87 yet.I think it was probably Dead 70 and 5 Garcia shows. Any solution for this problem?

There are ways to take a CD with gaps and make it seamless, however I have not attempted it. Any ideas out there?

I guess the first way to surpass this problem would be for every trader here to make sure they are burning the cds without gaps.I don't know about other players, but in iTunes the way to eliminate the gaps is shown below: Edit> Preferences> Advanced> Burning> *Gaps between songs=none We should all try to avoid this problem of gaps between songs. All things being equal, I would have to choose a tape with no gaps then a cd with gaps between tracks. Especially with a band like the Dead, I hate to hear a blank space in a segue between two songs.

I use WMP and I don't think there is a way to avoid gaps with it. Maybe I'll download I-Tunes and do what Operator suggests. BUT, if you rreceive a vine with cds with gaps, can't you eliminate them by the way Operator suggests. Or once a cd has gaps, it can't be eliminated?

dstache - I have WMP and the gaps too. I would like to send out some shows I have that were given to me and I have the discs with no gaps between and would like to copy these with no gaps between and send them out. Also would like the shows I listen to, either on CD or WMP not to have these gaps but I am so overjoyed at having the shows that gaps are not a major irritant for me. Just the next step to learn. I wish there was a basic guide to trading somewhere. There is a big learning curve for some of us and myself I would rather be out hiking somewhere than spending long periods of time trying to figure all this out. Thanks to all of you that have given me and other here pointers. Just this year I have learned how to rip and burn discs, how to download and am learning Trader's Helper and capturing streams. There is so much out there as far as music players etc. for your computer, it gets confusing. One of my friends who has 1000's of hours of tapes is overjoyed whenever I give him a show even if it is in mp3 (which I no longer do) or with the gaps. He just keeps pointing out to me how much better these are than our old tapes. So I am not going to whine about the formats I have now but will keep trying to improve the quality, but any guides for us Luddites would be appreciated. If the doors of perception were cleansed, everything would appear to man as it is, infinite. William Blake

Well, for instance a few vines came to me recently and the cds they were on had gaps between the tracks.When I imported them into iTunes, the gaps remained. So I think if we could eliminate the gaps pre-burning, the problem would be solved for everyone down the vine.

I know that my Cream Filling vine definitely had gaps as I use WMP. Sorry about that. I'll download I-Tunes as you recommend for future vines. And for myself. I'd prefer no gaps for sure. Just wasn't that big of a deal to me. Operator, you are saying that once there are gaps on the cds, there is no way for the person who receives the cds to correct that, right? So, you can't make the Cream Filling shows have no gaps?

I know there are a few applications with which to eliminate the gaps. I'm just not familiar with those programs, but I'm sure there are others here who are. You could just check the help section of WMP and see if they address this issue. When you received the discs did they have gaps between songs?

some shows with the 'gaps' between tracks and I have to agree with operator that those can be annoying and I plead total ignorance on how to rectify it on my end. I use a Nero burner on my computer and am a true 'technogeezer'. I would really like to know how to 'join' those that have the gaps, but don't know how to do it. These are shows that came to me like this and if there is an effective way to do it, that would be nice. It isn't as big a deal with my Clapton, Neil, Marley, etc, because those guys rarely segue as the Dead do. So I am part of the difficulty and I will attempt to make full disclaimer on the shows that I am vining that are in that condition. But it is kinda like with the Veneta show and its 'faults', I would rather have that show that is many generations down the line than not having the show at all. But yes, operator, to have those segues smooth and the be able to grin with delight as the boys slide into another tune or 'jump the tracks' to the next song are infinitely preferable to me as well.

My copy of Nero you have to remeber to put in everytime that you don't want gaps, i can't figure out how to set the gap at zero Bob - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Spanish Jam

the 5-26-72 and listened back to NFA>GDTRFB>NFA and there was no pause in between those tunes. (KILLER sequence btw) Those segue seamlessly into one another without any 'gaps'. My Nero appears to copy the source in front of it, just as it is. So if the source has gaps, then the copy will and visa versa. (Of course it 'marks' the different tracks visually so you can select them, but not with an audible break). So, I am going ahead to try to finish these shows and send the vine out. (My sons are finishing their semester papers so computer time is not at a premium right now.) As far as the other May '72 shows (5/4 & 5/11), I will try to work to see if I can 'join' those gaps, but honestly I am over my head with this. I have a kinship with Hal and just learned about alot of how to do this recently. I need a vine 'doctor' to be able to 'mend' those separated jams for us. I will try to do it, but if I am unsuccessful, then I will simply send the shows onto dstache. Maybe he (or someone on down the vine) will figure it out. But thankfully the 5-26-72 is 'intact' (thanks again, Richard) and it is a truly stunning show and a wonderful finale to the Dead's adventure 'across the pond'. That show alone is worth vining.

And the last time ui saw Pigpen, and the GOGD for 18 years it is also getting on to the same amount of time since i last saw the Dead. 1990 in Europe Bob - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Spanish Jam

There Are Several Programs Out There That Can Help You With The Gap's.I Use Wave Pad,It Is A Music Editor.The Problem Is You Either Have To Know What Your doing Or You Will Spend Some Time reading Directions,It Does Alot Of Stuff.One Suggestion,Always Make A Copy Of The File You Are going To Edit In Case something goes wrong.Messed Up A Few Times While Learning How To Use,Luckely I Had Hard Copys On Dvd.Anyways I Hope This helps .Wave Pad Is A Free Download For 14 Days,So You Can probaly Fix Your Stuff By Then.After 14 Days It Will Not work Unless You purchace A Licence. Go To NCH.com.Have A grateful weekend...Brian (cause There's An Easy Wind....Blowin' Cross The Bayou Today)

Hi guys-Richard has just started a Summer '82 vine which has a matrix recording included. I kind of understand the concept of "matrix" but I'd like to hear what other people know about the whole thing. Basically, as far as I can tell, a "matrix" recording, although I believe that to be a misnomer, is a mix of a sbd and an audience recording. Any other details we should all know? When did Healy start using this method for mixing? Any comments? I'd love to know some more.

Healy did not do the matrix mixes. Those are done by various folks who have secured an SBD and a high quality AUD tape, then blended them together. Check the source and recording info in the text files to learn more about how this was done.The theory behind this is to try and re-create an authentic live-listening experience. IMHO, some folks do a better job of this than others. I don't think it comes off as well in stereo as it does in DTS 5.1 surround sound. I have some of those where the mix has the SBD on the front and center channels and the AUD on the rear channels. When this is done well, the result is awesome. Regarding the Iowa show, I would love to have the straight SBD tape, I just haven't found it yet. So I vined the best of what I have. Hope that helps. Peace, Richard

Hi,I'm wondering if anyone is interested in helping me digitize some tapes. I have maybe 1000 GD audio tapes (+ several hundred other live band recordings) that I would love to have in digital format. The vast majority of the GD tapes are Maxell XLS soundboards. While the shows span 30 years, what I think are the best years are well represented (68-77, 85, 90, 91). I live in Chicago and the tapes are in storage in Northern CA. If there is anyone seriously interested in helping me digitize some of them, I can create a database of what I have and send it to you and we can talk about working out some kind of trade or form of compensation.

Digitizing Tapes Of The Amount You Have Is A Project In It Self.But Fairly Easy If Your Set up For It.You Might Want To consider Sending A Couple Of 500gb External Hd's With Package.Then You Can Get Your Shows Back Loaded On Hard Drives In flac.Format.This Eliminates Ton's Of Dvd's Laying Around The house.Of course You Are Also Getting Into A Pretty Hefty USPS bill With The Weight Of your Parcells.Of course You Can Get The Hard drives,Get Set Up For Bit torrent And Get Awsome Charlie Miller Sbd's From B-etree And Download away.You'll Be Suprised How Quckley You Will fill Up The hd's And Grow Your collection.I Would Love To Help But time Is At A Premium For Me Right Now.But Mabey In The Future If You Don't Have Any Takers.Have A grateful Weekend...Brian.

I have the same thoughts as Yama. I to have 1000+ cassttes and started to run them through various programs designed to take analog and upload it to the computer for future CDs (see my posts from this past summer). However, it is a VERY time consuming project and I have found it much easier to go online and download shows some of which sound 10x better then my copies. Thus, you already have the digital file and dont have to mess with the cassettes. Good luck! Eric

Same story here, 400-500 hrs of Maxell XL-II laying around, I found the Archive and the vines here on the boards and started over. I'm not set up for bit torrent, I just wanted to replace the stuff I had with quality digital copies I could play in car, truck, at home, etc... I got a good 500gb HD from newegg.com and went to town. I now have much more than I used to have and have an ipod chock full of tasty bits to satisfy the jones while I'm on the road. Thanks to all for the sharing of the music and the knowledge, Best wishes in '08. His job is to shed light, not to master...

Hey folks,Tonight I was trying to decode some shn files that I had decoded before and they kept coming up as errors and were not decoded. So I found that there is a new version of Traders Little Helper, downloaded it and now files are decoding fine. I don't get it, I don't understand it but somehow it works now. So if you are suddenly having problems decoding download the new version. If the doors of perception were cleansed, everything would appear to man as it is, infinite. William Blake

correct me if i am wrong but i believe the Healy Matrix shows are around were made by healy at the shows, putting an aud feed with the sbds, to try to get more what the aud would here so are different from the Sick Bits etc matrices Bob - - - - - - - - - - - - - - http://spanishsunshinedaydream.blogspot.com/ Spanish Jam

Just stumbled into this topic. Because I use to have trouble with my iMac, I decided to read through all the posts. And as I already have had my share of trouble with mit iTunes dealing with gap's, (at least some of) the following might be helpful to (hopefully at least one of) you. I have used the path mentioned in a previous comment on "Gap's" to adjust "none" as the duration of silence between tracks. On my iMac I can use Garage Band to cut tracks into little pieces to juggle them around, delete and whatever. IMAGINE "three Dark full Star days" ... ) My Microsoft times PC doctor still runs his pc with Windows 98. And I have seen his WinOn software not only cut tracks into segments, etc. but also chose Nothing/none/0 as the length of silence between tracks. And that's for sure the same with newer Win On versions or other Windows sound software. The bad thing is that my iTunes had this siiod (Self Induced Ignoring Orders Desease) phase .... Although I had set it on "none", it started to make 2 seconds gaps on the copies. I checked and it said still "none". I copied an official CD with gaps, told my Mac to have "none" and it kept/made them. So I was glad, when, out of a sudden, with no changes, except usual uploads for my iMac software several times, It must have been the smell of all the Dead audio roses coming in, that made my iTunes decide to follow my instructions again. After I had added decoded flac files for the first time. So I am sure, the tools are amongst us, to shut the gaps up. PEACE andré

Please somebody tell me whether such software exists. Or not. And in case there is some, also shares it's name and/or where to download a software, that plays flac audio files on my iMac (OSX 10.4.11 that is). Thanks, andré

From what I understand, Healy was responsible for creating at least some of the matrix mixes that are in circulation. Here is what I was able to dig up online. If you're more interested, you can follow this link:http://www.thetradersden.org/forums/archive/index.php/t-5988.html This is an excerpt from that link. Super technical, but informative. 04-13-05, 11:46 AM :nono: OK, here we go again. What are commonly (inaccurately) referred to as "Matrix" recordings are in fact "Blends" of independently recorded SBD and AUD sources of an event. In the audio world, a matrix recording is in fact: Mid-side Matrix One cardioid mic (M) points at subject (0°), and a figure-8 mic (S) picks up ambient sound by pointing at sides(90° and 270°). The signals are then run through a decoder matrix (software or hardware) which creates two stereo channels: n M+S = channel one n M - S = channel two One channel is a mix of M and S and the other be a mix of M and Sø (which means S is 180° out of phase) n The more S, the stronger the separation. MS Matrix recording is mostly used in acoustic concert settings to capture the true image of the hall. One technique that Dan Healy perfected when mixing and recording the Grateful Dead, was to place a MS Matrixed microphone array at the mix position, and record it on a source that was locked to the same source as the SBD recording (assuring that the recordings were sped accurate to each other) What Dan called an "Ultra Matrix" was (as I understand it) actually a BLEND of a Matrix recording and a SBD recording. There are also time coincidence issues that are addressed when combining these sources. Many "Matrix" recordings in circulation are simply blends of 2 different recordings and present a significant challenge in Post Production in terms of correctly time and pitch aligning the sources. The results of these efforts often sound really good, but are difficult to produce. The cow has left the barn in terms of correcting the proper use of the term "Matrix", but in fact, it's nice to know the proper terms to apply to these very different methods.