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  • marye
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    so sorry
    about the loss of your mom, but it sound like she left you a lot to celebrate.
  • shack
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    celebrating the band!
    to whoever reads this, please reply. it seems to me that all the shows i had gone to are celebrations of living. today when i have an anniversary of a date of a show; ka-boom! i love them all that much more. today is 7-20-09 and the first 7-20 since my dear mom helen passed in january. she went with me to deer creek today and i am certain she is getting applause from jerry right now. she is probably hitting him for playing "peggy-o." what would your mama think ... i celebrate all my anniversaries of the dates of the shows that i enjoy even today! peace, shack
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    hey, I think it's a fine idea
    but I also think there are those among us who are so innocent that they believe this place is a straight shot to the decision-makers, and it just ain't that way. So my concern is with managing expectations and the inevitable sense of exuberant entitlement that seems to come with the territory of expressing one's views online. The undercurrent of being OWED full shows in pristine release that bursts forth every time a Road Trips is announced is downright weird to me. I cannot say whether the views expressed will wind up having any influence at all; all I can do is tell TPTB the topic exists. Which, in a minute or two, it will.
  • cosmicbadger
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    very well
    .....I am not so 'delusional 'as to think of this place as a democracy.....just trying to have some fun, get a picture of what people really think and provide some feedback. Still, if the view is that 'they will do what they want and that's fine' then there is not much point really is there. I withdraw my suggestion.
  • marye
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    I think
    one would be hard pressed, if not actually delusional, to define the Grateful Dead as a democracy, at least if one included the Deadheads. (And, in my view, God help the artist who puts his muse up for popular vote instead of using his own judgment.) They're going to do what they want and that's fine. But more information is not a bad thing either. Free market research. Whatever.
  • cosmicbadger
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    people power?
    Fair enough Marye.....just like most other democracies then...
  • marye
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    badger
    I'm perfectly willing to start a topic (especially if it would divert the perennial whining on this subject from the new-release topics...) but would, of course, need to state explicitly that while the results might be interesting to many, they are not binding on anyone and I imagine Mr. Norman and crew already have their own ideas on the subject!
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    jeff
    you might try the 45 Years So Far topic for the moment.
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    But sometimes the whole show...
    ... is NOT in the vault. As I remember it, the guy who did most of the taping was Kidd Candelario, a long -time roadie with the band. If he had other, more important issues, for example helping Billy with a loose drum mount, or something else to do, then the taping took a back seat. Not sure when the band made taping the WHOLE show a priority, but I think it was sometime in the late 80's or the early 90's. That's the way it's been in town...
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    Whole shows vs compilations referendum
    Marye: How about a forum on this. Once again the debate is raging about whole shows vs compilations. In the latest Rhino era (since this revamped site was launched). I make the score so far this Total 9 Whole shows: RT2.2 (2/14/68); 3 From the Vault (2/19/71); Winterland Box Set (11/9/73/11/10/73;11/11/73); Cow Palace (12/31/76); To Terrapin (5/28/77); Road Trips Whole Show Download (11/5/79); Road Trips Whole Show Download (11/6/79) Total 7 Compilations: RT1.1 (Fall’79); RT1.2 (Oct 77); RT1.3 (Summer 71); RT1.4 (Oct 78); RT2.1 (Sept 90); RT2.3 (June 74); Rockin’ the Cradle (Sept 78) So its a more or less even balance now, with whole shows slightly favoured (mainly because of the 73 set) So how about a referendum on future policy. Please post your preference from the following list A. Whole shows only B. Mostly whole shows with a few compilations C. About even balance of compilations and whole shows D. Mostly compilations with a few whole shows E. Compilations only If we post our choices A,B,C,D or E in the subject box,then it will be easy to monitor the results. Then we can rant as much as we like in the comment box.
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Will any of the Dead be performing at the 40th anniversary of the Summer of Love concert on September 2nd at Golden Gate Park in San Francisco?
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What about a thread for us in Europe? To compare tips about interesting concerts (if there IS such a thing) for Deadheads here, or to moan about the lack of people who have even HEARD of the Dead over here, or to discuss how sad it is that we can not see any of these great concerts that you guys are talking about, or just so we fee somewhat less isolated. Was just an idea, Americans welcome too, of course, but would save through wading through other longer threads to find interesting and more local information.
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why not include South America, Central America, the Middle East, Asia, Africa, Australia?? we are everywhere! as I move around quite a bit, it would always be cool to meet up with heads in various places. peace
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I saw the addition in the 'we are the world' (ouch) section. cool, thankx. I don't even know if we having something like this here, but how about a discussion of the meanings of songs? while Dodd's work pretty much does this, (and does it damn well!) I think he basically deals with songs written by the band and/or Hunter or Barlow... (not sure) anyways, in the game show, I went off on a tangent about the meaning of Iko Iko and Dougles added to that, so it would be nice to have a space to talk about the meanings of songs. on the old dead.net there were a few pretty cool discussions going about Loser and Jack Straw; maybe a few others... peace. "What's the point of calling shots, this cue ain't straight in line Cue balls made of styrofoam and no-one's got the time"
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Think it might be fun to discuss which song appeals to us most personally-would be like our own personal anthem, and why. From lyrics, special time we first heard it, or for whatever reason. Will start-for me is definately The Wheel. Lyrics seem to sum up my life most accurately. Will tell why later, if anybody else would be interested in this topic besides me.
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Gotta deal with a few geographic regions yet. Think I will skip Antarctica for now but the other continents should be duly represented.... But yeah, no shortage of lyric-related topics to discuss. Hold on...
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Last night I dreamt that I was in a near deserted supermarket and as I wheeled my cart to the only open checkout I saw that Jerry was sitting behind the till with an acoustic guitar singing Brokedown Palace! I have another recurrent dream of seeing a fantastic GD show at an outdoor festival in a natural amphitheatre with a rainbow stage. I wake up convinced that I was really there, but as far as I know I never was!! Also Johnny G on Life After Dead talks about his first Dead Dream so how about a topic on Dreams of the Dead...could be fun!!
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I would like to see a topic so we can discuss why Bob Weir and Mickey Hart are supporting musicFIRST as well as be able to talk about whether this helps or hurts the music industry (look under Supporting Artists and then the letter M to see Mickey and Bob's listing). For those not familiar with this issue, opponents claim that it will kill off all small broadcasters and netcasters (even non-profits) in the United States while proponents claim that artists deserve compensation for bringing in revenue to those who play their music. http://www.musicfirstcoalition.org/ -- Yes it's me, I'm the pride of Cucamonga, I can see golden forests in the sun.
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Badger, your topic is here: http://www.dead.net/forum/dead-dreams KoHo, I'll start yours tomorrow; it's the end of the work day and my brains are not up to framing the complexities properly! Keep those suggestions coming!
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...shall we go, you and I while we can... Since there was no special place here to remember Jerry's birthday, perhaps there should be a place to remember his passing on August 9 ?
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maybe I'll just take a cue from Patti Smith and launch a topic for Jerry Week. Thanks.
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How about everyones favorite parking lot scene. PS Love this site. Thanks much!!
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Hi,My name is Anders....a guy, age 50, living in Denmark/Scandinavia. Love the music of The Grateful Dead....and been to 2 of their shows: 1981 , Copenhagen/Denmark & 1990, Berlin/Germany. Also I,ve been visting America twice...know some fantastic people there. BUT...what I,m about to ask You: Do You hope America one day gets a National Health Care System - like we have in Europe....OR do You prefer things as they are now ? Can tell You...nearly all people here in Denmark/Europe love our Nat. Healt Care Systems. We might pay a little more tax, due to this fact...BUT - in return, nobody NEVER has to worry about "what happens, should one get ill". Can just concentrate 100 per cent on getting better: and we never has to think about payng money to insurance-companies (insurance against sickness).... Saw Moores Film "Sicko"...think he is right, some of these "insurance-companies" that You have, MIGHT have a bigger interest in earning/saving money, than they have in giving their patient the best (and most costly) treatment ?? Have a nice Day in America. Greetings from Denmark, Anders
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There used to be a spot on this sight where you posted some envelope art. I think it would be awsome and rad if you could put that back up, accompanied by all the envelopes you have. I like to see if any of mine are there I'm sure others would like to have a look see too
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I dunno about the status of that art, but I'll ask around. Meanwhile, feel free to upload your envelope art to Fan Pix if you've got a scanner...
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How about a Discussion Topic of your favorite "musical sandwich" and/or song segways? For example 10/9/89 Hampton, VA...GD started 2nd set with my all time favorite run of songs which was Playin>UJB>Playin Reprise>Dark Star 143or245 stay safe and feel good!
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I'll add it to the list of topics waiting to get started when we've achieved happy serverhood...
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what about a topic which deals with the fact that there is an evident change of DH generations underway.there are rhe seniors who are coming into their 60s(or more) now,than the middle of the road who came on the bus late 70s and the new ones who never had the luck to see the GD because when jerry passed away they were like 5-10yrs. old.wow,its in fact allready the 3rd gen. of DH and the 1st to grow up only on canned music.i am sure that the folks of all these 3 groups might have alot of interesting stuff to tell one another..:-)(-:peace to all
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I'm one of those 3rd generations. I was born in 1980, first listened to the GD in 92, got my 1st 2 CD's in 1993 which I think were a pretty popular buy among CD's for Dead fans. In the Dark and Skeletons From the Closet. I already had a musical love from listening to the GD in the short amount of time listening to them when Jerry died. I remember walking down the stairs half way to my mom doing her hair saying Jerry died this morning. She likes country music and only told me because she knew I loved the GD. I said no way, and walked back up to my room and cried. The breaker is my mom said you can see the Grateful Dead when you turn 15. I was happy. I had a very close cousin who had been the type of guy that not only goes show to show, he lived show to show. Well, anyways me and Jerry share birthdays (Aug. 1st) I turned 15 (in '95) and I was ready to find the next ticket. Seen that they were just in Chicago a few weeks ago at the time that July... Their last Venue. Days later after never finding out the next time they were going to come to the Chicago, Jerry ended up passing away on August 9th 1995 (we all know, but...) I just turned 15! Anyways at least I've seen the Dead, and to me the closest thing other than them... Dark Star Orchestra. I can count over 200 CD's in my GD collection, but that was all before 2002. I have about 2000 hours of live GD from just the computer and internet. I love the dead, and have come across many dead heads with the same knowledge that I do! I admit tho, I lack the experience! And the experience outweighs the songs, time a lifetime. I could get a copy of every show they ever played, and never get to feel, see, smell, hear, or even fathom what it was actually like to be there. That's why I love you! I love you all, good night... A dream we dreamed one afternoon long ago... ________________________ www.autoquoteresearch.com
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...see what i meant!i am sure that even if there are lifetimes between us..we all are DEADHEADS and we ride in the same bus on a long,strange trip from which nobody can tell where it will lead us.....end of an era?we have really just begun and im sure there are tons of stories to be shared on this topic! U could call it the "tribe around the fire" !!!.the futures here an we are it..........Peace To you all out there :-)(-:
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thats the oldest way tribes communicate together.at night with a great fire burnin,they sit around in a circle and the elders pass their experience to the young warriors,who then tell their own stories because they are young and strong and its on their shoulders to defend the tribe.every indigenous people do it like this.american indians,beduins.nomads in mongolia etc....thats the way the torch gets passed from one gen.to the other...yeah and the aboriginees sit around in a circle too..tellin stories about the dreamtime:-)(-:
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Any chance we can start a topic about uncle johns band a band here in tampa, fl. Just want to see if there are any people in here from Tampa who go to Skippers Smoke House for the Thursday night shows.
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hows about a 'song parody' section?? it is a little different from the poet's corner, I think; and lots of fun. I've done a few song parodies, and Ami just did a grate one. it would be cool to see them all in one place, and then, hopefully encourage others to let their inspiration flow. just an idear. peace.
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Joe! ********************************** Don't part with your illusions. When they are gone, you will still exist, but you have ceased to live. Samuel Clemens
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did we ever get the song parody topic? couldn'T find it if it is here, and I got anew one in mind that I was working out as I lay me down to sleep last night... 'Loose Goosie' an excerpt: 'singing why oh why oh why oh why, why? why do you yank my chain?'
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Goofin' With the Lyrics, I think. If not, speak up.
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OK, I'll put them there. thanks. peace.
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that your original request was on April 16, when I headed out of town for a conference, so it kind of went in one side of my brain and out the other... Sorry for the lack of response!
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not a problem, marye. I was away, too. as this board has grown and grown (my eyes groan) I really do not have time to search around, so I was just wondering. I kind of wanted all of those songs in one place. yeah, I was always the dude who INSISTED that each tape be returned to it's proper case, and that the songs be listed properly. you get my drift. ( -: it was there, the 'goffin' space before April; and I had even posted there before that, too. just spaced on it's (goofin space's) existence. peace.
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Ron Paul is the only real choice for freedom. No new forum? Corporate bs.
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What's up guys, I just wanted to give everyone a heads up about the inaugural Chicago Bluegrass & Blues festival, this 11/22 at the historic Congress Theater, all benefiting the Saving Tiny Hearts Societies fight against the country's most common birth defect. www.cbgbfestival.com Also, I'd love to send you guys some tickets for family and friends, so hit me up at michael.raspatello@gmail.com and I'll mail them your way... Mike Raspatello
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we freakin get already... try postin just once huh!!! i was excited for that grate news, but now i'm gittin pretty PO'd......thx
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to the overexuberant Mr. Raspatello
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My apoligies marye, I was trying to direct him, when I stepped on your toes,to the correct forum when he first posted. Karma went into immediate action and wham, I broke my own toe. Serves me right. To think I could fill your shoes, I'm lucky it wasn't all ten. ;)))) Happy to have you back, hope had a grate weekend! peace,pk
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MadonMDR has a great show to promote and gets a little carried away, and various people have pointed out, in varying ways, "Cool show. Enough already with the multi-posts." I think nature has taken its course here, no harm no foul. I also hope the show is a big success.
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nattybrew....you are right.....too bad he didn't get the nomination and won't run independent. has alot of the same ideas as nader believe it or not
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Maybe Dennis, Bob, etc.could all write some kind words about this man who just left us.. He deserves it. Even on the front page. Just my humble suggestion, Like Jerry might say "if it's cool and you want to do it, then do it.
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I can't speak for anyone else, but I was lucky enough to do an interview with Hal Kant a few years back for a Rex story on the Innocence Project. Very interesting guy and I really liked talking to him.