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    What's Inside:

    Four Complete Shows on 11 discs
    • 5/5/77 Veterans Memorial Coliseum: New Haven, CT
    • 5/7/77 Boston Garden: Boston, MA
    • 5/8/77 Barton Hall, Cornell University: Ithaca, NY
    • 5/9/77 Buffalo Memorial Auditorium: Buffalo, NY
    • Sourced from the Betty Boards, transfered by Plangent Processes
    • Mastered in HDCD by Jeffrey Norman
    • Artwork by Grammy-winning graphic artist Masaki Koike
    • The unreleased book Cornell ‘77: The Music, The Myth And The Magnificence Of The Grateful Dead’s Concert At Barton Hall by Peter Conners, published by Cornell University Press
    • In-depth essay by noted Dead scholar Nicholas Meriwether
    • Producer's Note by David Lemieux
    • Individually Numbered, Limited Edition of 15,000
    • Release Date: May 5, 2017

    WHAT DEAD HEADS HAVE BEEN SAYING ABOUT...

    NEW HAVEN 5/5/77
    "Here is a prime example of the saying ‘the whole is greater than the sum of the parts’ … It’s called synergy and the Dead wrote the book on it.”

    BOSTON 5/7/77
    “The music they laid down brought me places I had not been before.”

    CORNELL 5/8/77
    “...the single best rock performance anywhere, anytime, by anyone.”

    “There was just some kind of magical connection this night between the band members and the band and the audience - some texture, or some type of cosmic or celestial force is in the room.”

    "This show is, was, and always will be Mecca.”

    BUFFALO 5/9/77
    "...an awesome display of the Dead’s captivating power"

    If you've been following this site for quite some time, then you will know we are often flush with hyperbole when it comes to our releases. We can't help it, really - for we, like you, are Grateful Dead fans above all else. Just like you, we've spent countless hours debating the merits of show over show, year over year. We've kept a watchful eye on your wish-lists and carefully considered how to make - excuse the cliché - your dreams come true. And once we've made our commitments, we are steadfast in our determination to conjure up those dreams fully-formed and nearly perfect. Sometimes these heights cannot be reached without physical and cosmic elements aligning, and that, dear friends, is why it has taken so long for us to bring you THE ONE and the epic shows that surrounded it. No need for even the slightest embellishment here, 5/8/77 Barton Hall, Cornell University: Ithaca, NY, has for decades, been THE resounding favorite; you've said it yourselves - the "holy grail" of Grateful Dead shows. Thanks to the passion and perseverance of Dead Heads like you, we are beyond pleased to finally be able to present this show and its brethren, the fabled four of Spring '77, in sonically pristine condition.

    Limited to 15,000 individually numbered copies, MAY 1977: GET SHOWN THE LIGHT is a collection of what is unanimously believed to be the most sought-after previously unreleased complete shows the Grateful Dead ever played. Collected, traded, and debated for decades, "the beloved Golden Trinity" of Boston, Ithaca, and Buffalo, along with their New Haven prelude, have inspired fans to "get on the bus," converted critics, and even garnered national attention (Cornell was added to the Library of Congress’ National Recording Registry). But until now, you've never really heard them quite like this!

    The Dead is in the details... how serendipitous is it that the notorious Betty Boards were returned to the archive just in time for the 40th anniversaries of these shows? Lovingly sourced from these well-reputed recordings, we invite you to experience four utopian shows just like they happened, to "be inside the music" as engineer Betty Cantor-Jackson intended. Whether you listen to each night on its own or imbibe the whole lot at once, we suspect you'll hear why every note mattered. Much like we were, you will be hard-pressed to determine which of these fine documents - will it be the understated but nuanced New Haven, Boston's festive fantasy vibes, the monumental catharsis of Ithaca, or Buffalo’s dreamy exuberance - is truly "the best." Does it really matter? We think not.

    Due May 5th, we anticipate that this revelatory boxed set will sell out. Your best bet is to pre-order it now, then sit back, relax, and enjoy all the exclusive content we'll be rolling out over the next few weeks.

    Looking for something a little more byte-sized? The collection will also be available for HD digital download in FLAC and ALAC, exclusively at dead.net, on release day.

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    Really wish they'd offer these individually. I already had Betty boards of New Haven and Cornell from many years ago on CD. I'd love to buy Boston and Buffalo. They should offer them for sale via FLAC

  • icecrmcnkd
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    And I give 5 out of 5 bolts to this box. I also have an extra Box that I will sell for what it cost me, plus shipping (U.S. addresses) to you. PM me if interested. The extra box has been opened and all CDs listened to to confirm no defects. 5-5-77 CD2 was defective and I received a replacement from Rhino.
  • Born Cross Eye…
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    I'm still loving these 4 great shows!I'll bring up my rating to four and three quarters bolts. (out of 5 bolts) Why? Only the individual show cases are a bit flimsy and the whole box is a bit too big for me, and there is a wee bit of wasted space in the box. The 5/5/77 New Haven show is an audio upgrade for me from a B+ cassette that was directly transferred to CD-R in 2002 by somebody else for me to this fantastic CD mastered by Jeffery Norman.
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    I still enjoy this box very much.Four and a quarter bolts (out of five)
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    Overrated? Of course these concerts are overrated. But, still fabulous music in a great period. I would line up May 19, 21, 22 against the 'holy trinity' and not feel at a disadvantage. In ways, the later part of May has more energy, the earlier part more precision. All wonderful, and comparable to the April-May '72 period (without the long jams for the most part). Thanks to all for putting this out. Now, what's next?
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    Thanks for the heads up link guy. Was a decent recording and I jumped all over it. Mark that "in the collection"! Dennis footnote - can you ever argue with a band who will hang with fans and burn one down!
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    The number is on the back of the red book
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    "Numbered" - where!?
    my other may 77 box set has a STAMPED number...3407/5000 or whatever - not seeing this stamped on the "limited, numbered" cornell get shown the light one - am i blind?? help!
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    Cornell IS a good show. Cornell was a great tape rollin' around back in the day because of quality of sound... I think it was one of the more crystal clear shows I'd heard up to that point... All of May, shoot... the overwhelmingly GRAND majority of '77 was unbelievable! There are many "best" versions or among the best versions of singular songs throughout that whole month span....and many in this 4 night run. ’77, while fantastic for deadheads, is what I consider “tolerable” go to dead for non-heads… such as my better half. She’s never been passionate about the dead. So, I have always felt pretty good about playing anything from ’77, especially May, when we’re on a road trip or something. The sound is great, playing is great… vocals are pretty much as good as it ever got and mistakes are minimal and not very noticeable to a non-head. Same goes for 89-90… Another May '77 note- The whole band is tight but Bob is at one of the many peaks of his game. Bob's attention to his songs and detail is unparalleled. He's sooo good during this time frame. However, I'm more of a fan of the following night in Buffalo as a full show goes. Cornell>Buffalo – the best two shows in a row…. Possibly. ☺ All of that being said.. this box is a tremendous representation of what the best of the best looks, feels, and sounds like. And, well done on the box. Excited to crack the book and see what's beyond the music. 5/5 - Veterans - The 1st set is better than the second set... Sugaree > unreal. Cowboy tunes(mama tried, el paso) are spot on and energetic. Looks Like Rain > stunning. 2nd set is great but seems to drop in energy… highlights - Good Lovin', St. Stephen, Sugar Mag 5/7 - Boston- Fantastic 1st set- very well played - Peggy O,1/2 step!, Big river, Music Never Stopped - 2nd set - Great Terrapin- A Top 10 FOTD(in my opinion), the wheel>wharf>around stretch is stellar. 5/8 - Cornell - Great show - solid start - 1st set really gets cookin' around TLEO and Jack Straw. Lazy>Sup is great but Jerry has been better on others. He makes up for it on the Brown Eyed Women...(one of the best). Dancin is great.. (Palladium is still tops for me). 2nd set is extremely well played - Scarlet > fire .. the best ever? (I dunno… but it’s ridiculous). Estimated… tell me a bad estimated from May… St. Stephen> NFA>St. Stephen – solid… MORNING DEW!!!! Holy Smokes!!!! 5/9 – Buffalo – wow. wow. holy, wow. Out of the gate chasing, running down, and lapping the night before. The band is HOT and they know it. A nasty Help > Slip> Franklin’s. Slipknot is magnificent. Cassidy,BEW, Mex, Big River… whole first set is crackling with energy… Shoot… Donna even raised her Sunrise game. TMNS set closer is just plain fire. 2nd set is phenomenally played. The band stretches out a bit more that some of the other textbook 77 nights. Garcia is oozing passion – Bertha opener..Ship of fools, Comes a time… he’s in it to win it. The pocket Estimated>Other One> NFA is adventurous and the band is so dialed in. They are so intent on being one… vocals and all. You know it’s good when they get past the music and can really lean in on making the vocals “just right”. Uncle John’s Band is a great example of that and a great closer. Unreal…. Wish I was there.
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CLICK HERE FOR THE
ALL MUSIC EDITION

SOLD OUT

What's Inside:

Four Complete Shows on 11 discs
• 5/5/77 Veterans Memorial Coliseum: New Haven, CT
• 5/7/77 Boston Garden: Boston, MA
• 5/8/77 Barton Hall, Cornell University: Ithaca, NY
• 5/9/77 Buffalo Memorial Auditorium: Buffalo, NY
• Sourced from the Betty Boards, transfered by Plangent Processes
• Mastered in HDCD by Jeffrey Norman
• Artwork by Grammy-winning graphic artist Masaki Koike
• The unreleased book Cornell ‘77: The Music, The Myth And The Magnificence Of The Grateful Dead’s Concert At Barton Hall by Peter Conners, published by Cornell University Press
• In-depth essay by noted Dead scholar Nicholas Meriwether
• Producer's Note by David Lemieux
• Individually Numbered, Limited Edition of 15,000
• Release Date: May 5, 2017

WHAT DEAD HEADS HAVE BEEN SAYING ABOUT...

NEW HAVEN 5/5/77
"Here is a prime example of the saying ‘the whole is greater than the sum of the parts’ … It’s called synergy and the Dead wrote the book on it.”

BOSTON 5/7/77
“The music they laid down brought me places I had not been before.”

CORNELL 5/8/77
“...the single best rock performance anywhere, anytime, by anyone.”

“There was just some kind of magical connection this night between the band members and the band and the audience - some texture, or some type of cosmic or celestial force is in the room.”

"This show is, was, and always will be Mecca.”

BUFFALO 5/9/77
"...an awesome display of the Dead’s captivating power"

If you've been following this site for quite some time, then you will know we are often flush with hyperbole when it comes to our releases. We can't help it, really - for we, like you, are Grateful Dead fans above all else. Just like you, we've spent countless hours debating the merits of show over show, year over year. We've kept a watchful eye on your wish-lists and carefully considered how to make - excuse the cliché - your dreams come true. And once we've made our commitments, we are steadfast in our determination to conjure up those dreams fully-formed and nearly perfect. Sometimes these heights cannot be reached without physical and cosmic elements aligning, and that, dear friends, is why it has taken so long for us to bring you THE ONE and the epic shows that surrounded it. No need for even the slightest embellishment here, 5/8/77 Barton Hall, Cornell University: Ithaca, NY, has for decades, been THE resounding favorite; you've said it yourselves - the "holy grail" of Grateful Dead shows. Thanks to the passion and perseverance of Dead Heads like you, we are beyond pleased to finally be able to present this show and its brethren, the fabled four of Spring '77, in sonically pristine condition.

Limited to 15,000 individually numbered copies, MAY 1977: GET SHOWN THE LIGHT is a collection of what is unanimously believed to be the most sought-after previously unreleased complete shows the Grateful Dead ever played. Collected, traded, and debated for decades, "the beloved Golden Trinity" of Boston, Ithaca, and Buffalo, along with their New Haven prelude, have inspired fans to "get on the bus," converted critics, and even garnered national attention (Cornell was added to the Library of Congress’ National Recording Registry). But until now, you've never really heard them quite like this!

The Dead is in the details... how serendipitous is it that the notorious Betty Boards were returned to the archive just in time for the 40th anniversaries of these shows? Lovingly sourced from these well-reputed recordings, we invite you to experience four utopian shows just like they happened, to "be inside the music" as engineer Betty Cantor-Jackson intended. Whether you listen to each night on its own or imbibe the whole lot at once, we suspect you'll hear why every note mattered. Much like we were, you will be hard-pressed to determine which of these fine documents - will it be the understated but nuanced New Haven, Boston's festive fantasy vibes, the monumental catharsis of Ithaca, or Buffalo’s dreamy exuberance - is truly "the best." Does it really matter? We think not.

Due May 5th, we anticipate that this revelatory boxed set will sell out. Your best bet is to pre-order it now, then sit back, relax, and enjoy all the exclusive content we'll be rolling out over the next few weeks.

Looking for something a little more byte-sized? The collection will also be available for HD digital download in FLAC and ALAC, exclusively at dead.net, on release day.

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After 5 hours, it looks like someone at Warner started bouncing orders through the Rhino Store....finally worked.. Thanks for the Scarlet>Fire DL. An unexpected treat.
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Yes!!!!! I was calm and knew I would finally get through. Big thanks to rhino! Bad timing as I just broke down and bought the July 78 box two days ago. If this was any other box I might have skipped this but of course I couldn't pass it up.
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After hours of trying to add to cart, came up with 6 in my cart. Updated cart got booted out again. Then finally got a fresh cart, added in and went to check out. Completed it all and while confirming order, kicked me back to the beginning but this time it went through. Order confirmed. It is working better now.
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It looks like they have re-routed the ordering to Rhino and it is still available. I would not wait as I do think it will sell out quickly. I agree with others that 15,000 was too low for this release, especially when Dave's Picks is a higher limit now. This is a monumental release and they should know that. They probably think making the downloads available for sale for the other shows was a way to make sure no-one would get shut out from the music itself, but still 15,000 is too low. Hope everyone who wants the CD set has a fair chance to get it now.
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Just ordered without a hitch...process went along for all three windows that I had going. Should I order a backup?Confirmation on credit card, paypal, and email from warner. It's about time.
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But I got my order confirmed (through the Rhino-flagged portal).Usual GDM bullshit hits next level. And I will forget this by the time we have another box to order. Will go through the same shit and be surprised at it all again. Horrible company selling GREAT music.
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you may have to clear your cookies or switch to a private browsing mode so your page isn't cashed, but you should now be redirected to the Rhino checkout page. After 5+ hours of agony, my order went through perfectly on the first try over at Rhino. Miller time.
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I got routed through Rhino's site. Was a tad clunky. Went through. 100% times superior to Warner. Was this a minor pain? Yes. Will I think it was totally worth it when it arrives? Yes.
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I was unable to order using IE, so I switched to Chrome and was redirected to a Rhino site. Had to make a new log in with Rhino, but it worked. Good luck
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They have it fixed. Now redirects you to the rhinostore site, and went thru, have conformation number and now can r lax afte 5 hrs of this nonsense im gonna smoke a bunch of sour diesel and listen to the run. Hooray!!!!!
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Took 4 hours nonstop, finally went thru on my android with chrome. Don't give up folks, stay positive!
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Got through, sent to Rhino, order completed - it is mine! Hang in there, everyone.
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Rhino came through!!!! What the initial SNAFU was? Garbage. Idiotic. Great way to lose customers. We're a dying lot, after all.
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My guess is they took the Warner site down and rerouted all traffic to Rhino. I'm not too happy because Rhino totally botched an order at Christmas but hopefully this edition of May 77 won't suffer the same fate of being lost in transit for weeks.
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ordering process is like punishment for being a fan. i was eventually able to make it work,after four hours of total bullshit. totally uncool
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....I was also diverted to Rhino. Thanks Doc! Good job manning the post good sir....
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Friends, After HOURS of trying on the computer with no luck, I got through on my mobile device first try. Give it a try yourself and I hope you have the same luck I did. Cheers
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Not exactly sure what I did been a long night. But I got rhino on MY PHONE LIKE THAT OTHER PERSON SAID. then figured out how to add to my cart but I had to hit another button to make it work.
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After trying, and trying, and trying my order finally went through. About time. I was just about ready to walk away. Cleared my browser cache and it worked after countless "Forbidden" errors.Sheesh! I was diverted to Rhino as well. I guess good old dead.net (or Warner) just went dead.
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Rhino comes through again! Thank the Dr.!!! Those jokers at Warner need to get there act together this took years off my life, resulted in countless profanities and made my wife think twice about marrying a Dead Freak. Now I just have to find a way to deal with the $15,000 worth of box sets that will show up on my credit card after all those forbidden messages and looped cart purchases.
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Yes, blame David LeMeieux, and while you are at it, if Jerry had not made such wonderful music or if Bear had not recorded all that wonderful music, or if Edison had not invented recording technology... There is lots of unwarranted blame to go around. Maybe it is a White House conspiracy to drive us too crazy to vote the liberal ticket in future elections? On the other hand, since this has happened before (and you are right to point out that the commercial concerns that handle these transactions should do a better job), perhaps you should adjust your expectations. You can't expect them to be just exactly perfect! I, too, sat on the computer for a few hours after the email came out. Then I went for a walk for an hour or so. When I came back it all worked out, just as I expected it would! May 5 seems so long away!!!
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It took me less than 5 minutes at 525pm West Coast time just now Am I just lucky?
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....This May is my birth month. And I'm getting this box, Felt Forum, The Dead doc on Amazon and Dead & Company in Vegas. Happy Birthday to me.
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Like so many others, after 4+ hours I too have finally gotten a confirmation number. I don't know if this make a difference but I kept hitting my Cart button because I knew I had a copy in it and the 403s just got worse. When I hit the Add To Cart button one last time was when I was immediately redirected to Rhino. Glad to be in but after soooo many times with this same scenario (Europe '72 was such a nightmare fiasco)I just can't believe they've still not gotten their act together any better then this. But patience (and a lot of cursing and sweating) eventually paid off, so keep on tryin' y'all.
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They say start with a positive, so I will. Looking forward to these shows, thankful I got a conformation, and thanks to the person that suggested Private Window, that did the trick. Now the negative - Painful, Painful, Painful! This was worse than trying to deal with getting Radiohead tickets for the Greek. For those that get their order in, enjoy!
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order it here, it will re-direct to Rhino automatically. Good luck!
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After several hours it finally went through. Forget about refreshing, I clicked add to cart again and it went straight to the rhino store. All is well now. Whew.
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I'm going to do a rare thing for me on this site. Sorry. Apologize in advance. I love the releases. I love the sound quality. I love the liner notes. I love the seaside chats. I love archive photographs. I love the effort and enthusiasm to get this music out and many, myself included thought this was coming and it has. Amen. All that said as far as checking out to order this thing. Man alive give me the last 1 hour plus of my life back. FU.
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As mentioned in an earlier post. Instead of clicking on my cart at Dead.net, I clicked on add (the item) and this took me to Rhino. Done. Now I can sleep. Wish you all well with getting your copies.
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Finally. Finally. Clearly, there was scrambling on the front- and/or back-end systems. Would not have wanted to be a member of that Network Ops, nor App Dev team. That out of the way, this feels like discovering the Holy Grail. We chose wisely.
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Not knowing Rhino's web address I typed in rhino music and got an alert saying that my computer has been blocked and my credit card info etc. is being hacked and if I don't call this 1-888 number in the next five minutes my computer will be shut down.
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Took me 6 hours but finally went through on Rhino site. Getting tickets to SEE the Grateful Dead years ago was easier ;)
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Well, you know what they say about that "Once in awhile...". Stand by most of my original comment but I'm pretty happy now. Hope most of you are as well. Blessings.
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Talk about paying dues! Weren't the 5 billion brain cells a sufficient advance. Hard to call it a wasted day, as there is gold at the end of the slog, but if I ran my business like this I'd be eating dirt.
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5 and a half hours after the announcement, and I still can't get in. Absolutely absurd. You expect us all to waste hours of our time just trying to get to an order page? The people who run dead.net have obviously learned nothing in the years of running this site. Arguably the biggest thing that you have sold here, at least in terms of the MOST REQUESTED DEAD SHOW OF ALL TIME (and Dave reiterated this in his chat), and you can't even fucking order it. BEYOND pathetic.
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Rhino comes through... This was an exercise for sure.Dead.net. either stick with a company that gets it done or lose fans. But yeah you don't care right? Were suckers, right? You know I see a bunch of Blockbuster Video stores on every corner!!! And what happened to them? LEARN from this boys//////
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It is finally working now. Hallelujah. Best of luck!
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What an ordeal! Yep, same as Europe '72... I was thinking anytime now I was going to end up with like 30 order confirmation emails. I gave up a few times for like 15 mins at a time. persistence, then the Rhino site pops up....and DONE! Why limit the BEST and MOST requested ever show box-set??? Or why not make this one 30,000 units?
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I had to do a triple take when the email notification popped up on my phone about this box set. I was sitting at work and spent the next hour trying to order it without luck. Put my wife on it and 5 hours later I finally have a copy of the box set ordered! Poor wife tried via the website, and waited on hold for over two hours only to get disconnected/hung up on. Me thinks they were not really prepared for all the folks that would be interested in this. Hopefully everyone gets a copy who wants one, and people are not trying to buy them all up to profit off of later...
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Thank you so much for that.....now I can do something else with my life.....
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Not sure why the system put 2 in the checkout but I figured someone here will need a miracle. Will post when they arrive. Good look everyone. This took far too many hours.
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Not sure why the system put 2 in the checkout but I figured someone here will need a miracle. Will post when they arrive. Good look everyone. This took far too many hours.
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Uh, Hi... I didn't know that all a yous was watchin'. I take back the sex comments and the drug references. https://youtu.be/b0FViwZmsGQ Minas, I think you picked the wrong day to start talking about your women's underarm hair fetish. So Dave pronounced it Veneeeeeta. Like Velveeta. I thought that was a short "e". 8/27/72
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