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    As you may have noticed, we've just implemented a much-requested chatroom. It is quite simple and has few fancy features, but for the moment we just want it to work!

     Anyway, have at it, and post your thoughts, feature requests, effusive thanks to the tech team, etc., right here. Thanks!

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  • #101
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    What's really important in life?
    For some of us in far away lands the internet is the only way we can keep in contact with the Deadhead community. We all need the love! Some speak other languages. Even when we speak the same language we don't always understand each other the right way. But we're all trying, that's why we're here. Things always go wrong in life, patience is not always easy to have but we need to not assume things that we don't know. This place as a bonus in life, we have no right to have this place, we are lucky to have it. We don't know if anyone gets paid to run or fix this place. Maybe they do it as an act of free love? I didn't see the sex spam. I do like sex though and have no problem with it. Spam is not something that should be here as this place was not made for that. I'm totally against banning for using certain words. We are adults here. We don't need to be wrapped in cotton wool, the world is a hard place and it doesn't get easier by hiding from it or hiding others from the truth, quite the opposite actually. I've never seen anyone being TOO offensive here. Much nicer than other GD sites guys, give yourselves a pat on the back! The GD symbolize freedom whether some would like to deny that or not, that's is accepted by most folks. Banning should only be done in cases where there is spamming, threats of violence, or repeated derogatory defamation after warnings have been tried. Swearing, sex talk, and the like are part of life. Rudeness is also but better to try to police it ourselves and report it to our hard working mods when being reasonable fails. That's my two cents. Group hug... Are you kind?
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    hey oroboros,...
    a comp.(sorry that i did not explain it) is a computer,and believe i dont care,if your opinion is that your computers are working well..so be it.i love the GD,i love the music,i love the people who share my feelings towards this band,and i am sitting in front of my computer tears running down my face,because something is wrong and you know that it is..right on so be it:-)(-:i stayed in every bluelight star hotel..peace,if we cant have that,who can..so be it!!!!!
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    Everybody should just chill a bit... PLEASE! They're gonna fix it, I know they will. Blowing up and arguing won't acomplish anything. Take a chill whatever, and enjoy it while it works. Or if you prefer to not use the chat room until it's "just exactly perfect", then just PM me and I will be happy to PM you when it's all totally groovy there. I hope this helps... Plant, Bud
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    Frankly, my message was specifically to Stu
    and regarding what I saw as his struggle with the current 'system' and I was attempting to present a historical perspective on what I watched transpire with this. Perhaps a pm was more in order to acheive that. My attempt was to assist and not to manipulate, but if that is your read so be it. As for quoting the Wheel, things do progress and go forth with or without your (or my) consent and It helps me to remember that. As far as Jerry, I was talking about his ethereal solos following that lyric, in reference to the angst that Stu had previously referred to about missing Jerry. My communication may have not been the best yet, I am not being malicious with my message. "A pool of maniacs, weirdos, and other perverts" is not the description of the old site that I intended. The old site was the like the wild west, or even much like the old acid tests where 'anything goes', and often anything was said. It (the site and the scene) has evolved to what it is now. Hey, I have been in left field so long that I have a tent pitched out there. And I like it. I don't have any problem with others complaining about the current restrictions and I am hopeful that they will be resolved. There are many times I long for the 'old daze' for a variety of reasons. But we have what we have. And I am confused by your take on me saying I can't control my comps (what is that?). What I was saying was that we can't control others, we do have control over ourselves. And yes, when (on the old site) I read posts of threats to others, overt attempts at charactor assasination due to varying opinions, material posted that could cause problems for the persons or the site and/or other such behaviors, I wasn't terribly surprised when I got to this new site and found the restrictions. Like the restricions? Not really, but I didn't like some of the prior stuff either. But we can see it differently, there can be more than one truth. We may agree on more than we disagree. Mark Twain said "it ain't what I don't know that gets me into trouble, its what I know for sure that ain't so". Take care, tim
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    to address a couple of the substantive issues

    Regarding the TOS, we very deliberately wrote them not to resemble the aggressive legalese of AOL et al., and I say this as a co-founder of the AOL forum who, back in the day, got Steve Case himself to let us not be bound by the aspect of their TOS that, say, prohibited the use of four-letter words. Since quoting the lyrics of "Wharf Rat" would get you bounced off any such system, I believed at the time, and believe to this day, that such rules are a bad fit for Deadheads.

    Quoting the lyrics of Wharf Rat is, of course, not quite the same thing as hooking online. And I note that she who engaged in the online hooking was blocked from the site within two hours of posting her little come-on in the chat room, and without damage to the myriad Heads who use four-letter words in their posts.

    In short, bleep happens and we try to deal with it, depending on the merits or lack thereof of the individual situation.

    I mean, it certainly didn't enhance my Grateful Dead experience to have those gyrating screaming chicks flinging their hair and sweat about and committin lewd acts with assorted objects in the guise of "dancing" throughout the show, but you know, I've read quite a few posts over the years from guys who seemed to like the show. Not everything that crosses your path here is going to be something you're going to like, but when it goes over the edge like spam scams and sex peddling and personal attacks, it gets dealt with.

    Frankly, in this particular case, the "policing" to which you object is being done by mindless and broken software as a mechanical function. And, as has been reported at great length, it is not triggered by any actual behavior. As the person with "policing" abilities who's likeliest to actually look at the chat room from time to time, I can report with some assurance that the only line-crossing behavior I can recall seeing was from the ex-user to whom Stuman took such exception. I am not especially worried about people's use of swear words, and if they want to talk about illegal activities in a forum that's as accessible to law enforcement as it is to everyone else, that's their business and on their own heads, as far as I'm concerned. See the relevant line in TOS about the New York Times.

    Right now the main misbehavior I'm worried about is the software's, but I believe my compatriots who say they are working on it. Thank you.

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    hallo oroboros!
    if i understand your message right than the old DEAD_NET was a pool of maniacs,sexual weirdos and other perverts.you are so objective that you can say that some of the stuff on the old net was"downright wrong"hmmm..and than one single person succeded to be that horrible,that the good DHs quit the site and you stayed with the trash.please what shows are you talking about.there are no more GD shows since 12 years and well,yes this site is the only place we have to meet.how easy to say to somebody,"if you go so be it".but if i understood you right you had to put in a guard,because on the old net some posters where leaving..so back then it was not" go if you want to policy"i am just completly confused,because at the end you are saying that youre not able to controll your comps.???and than you start receiting theWheel. well,that song is about live,not comp.programing...and i dont even want to believe the sentence with Jerry.oroboros this is manipulation,and not a nice one..take care and sleep well:-)(-:
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    the stuff that you got so incensed about was happening more often on the 'old site' which is why I believe the DN tried (and maybe overboard) to rein in questionable (and on the oldsite often abusive, sexually offensive, and downright wrong) posting. One individual created significant chaos on the 'old site' and we were pretty ineffective at managing him and they way he treated others (with the possible exception of a sheriff "Jack Black's A_ _ Crack"). Anyway, I say several posters at that time go away for sometime due to such out-of-bounds behavior. It you need to go away, so be it. If this is a good place for us to talk and share (albeit with that annoying 'shove out' "when push comes to shove"), then let yourself cool and recognize that this place isn't perfect, but it is a better spot that you had before. If you gotta go, more power to you. Think about comming back and we will be as happy to see you as we were 'back in the day" and reunited with familar & friendly faces at the shows. I just want to reach out and tell you that, man, we can't always control others but we can hope that the vibe is more powerful than those that are chipping away at it. And "the wheel is turning and you can't slow it down, can't go back and you can't stand still, ...everytime that wheel turn round, bound to cover just a little more ground. BOUND TO COVER JUST A LITTLE MORE GROUND!" and then Jerry would soar..... no one can take that away.... Take care, tim
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    stuman
    Thank you for your many positive contributions to the site, not the least of which were the suggestion for the poetry thread and your postings there. It would be a shame to see a valuable and contributing member of the community drift away. I appreciate your presence here, and hope that you'll reconsider. Peace and my best wishes to you as well, from one stu to another. Conversation is always more interesting than recitation, so speak your mind and not someone else's.
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    sometimes my anger
    sometimes , yes my anger and frustration get the best of me , i take medication for that , just seeing people solicit for sex here , well as you can tell it threw ne over the edge ,so my apologies for that outburst. however my wife is a former AOL empoyee, we both know that it is not that dificult to take care of some issusses, maybe your software needs to have key words, like if someone types the word cum,sex, or any other sexually explicit words on their profile then the profile will be automaticlly deleted. thats how aol, yahoo , and sure many others operate. sorry for the outburst . the staff here is haveing a hard time , maybe they need some people with more comp. experience. there has got to be a better way, terms of service , has anyone read terms of service for other web sites. like craigslist.org ? they are based out of the bay area go read their terms of service, maybe someone from craigslist needs a job, and craigslist is also free so it can`t be that dificult to take care of such issusses.. well i`ll leave this brokendown palace for a wile , maybe i`ll go plant a weeping willow.. too all the kind people i have gotton to know , i will miss you all. for those who will like to keep in touch with me please pm me and i will gladly give you my regular e-mail address. i will stick around for the next day or so , after that i will no longer use this service. thank you everyone for the good times .. peace and my best wishes to all..
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    well Mary,..
    i browsed the pages a little and i can only say that stuman is a very humble,polite and nice human being.getting him into cookin like that something must be real weird,if not to say completely wrong.and the CHAT IS NOT WORKING PROPERLY.you have your tech departement,these guys get paid so they should be able to handle such a thing.if not ,maybe another kind of job would be more appropriate.believe me mary that if this goes on like it does,there will be more people getting angry,and thats not good for all of us.once again i ask you please:why do we have to be policed?:-)(-:
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As you may have noticed, we've just implemented a much-requested chatroom. It is quite simple and has few fancy features, but for the moment we just want it to work!

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Submitted by GreenRipple on Sat, 03/08/2008 - 21:03

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"your rain falls like crazy finger ..."
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Submitted by Sunshine-daydr… on Sun, 03/09/2008 - 03:23

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i am still having the same problem i was having before, i keep getting an error message telling me there is a problem with Scripts, and i have to shut down my browser to get in again I am using Firefox not IE Bob - - - - - - - - - - - - - - http://spanishsunshinedaydream.blogspot.com/ http://www.facebook.com/photos.php?id=633338979 Spanish Jam
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Submitted by stuman on Mon, 03/10/2008 - 01:17

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well not like i would expect any thing to work as it should,,.. lol ,.. the chat room is showing hal r and sunshinedaydream on board but they are not showing to be logged in ,, and my name show twice in chat room ,,,....... strange days man ,, strange in deed ,,..
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Submitted by stuman on Mon, 03/10/2008 - 01:23

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sunshine-daydream1951 ,, and hal R to be exact,, Where you two logged on at 4:00 am est. ? did`nt show logged in but in the chat room ,,....
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Submitted by marye on Mon, 03/10/2008 - 14:03

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it's not! Just got a spectacular example of the mass exodus bug, only all the people bailing were Guests. Remains to be seen how that one's going to work out. But still, it kinda sorta works and it's good to have back. Stuman, yes, this is one of the areas known to be a bit surreal. For those just joining us, if you enter a chat room and suddenly 50 people leave the room, IT IS NOT YOU! It is a weird software issue. We're looking into it. Thank you.
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Submitted by idmando on Mon, 03/10/2008 - 20:01

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the system keeps keeping me out take me to the jailhouse
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Submitted by stuman on Tue, 03/11/2008 - 07:54

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Hey Marye , no i did`nt think it was me , i was just posting what had happened,, that`s all ,, i`am used to the strange things by now ,lol,, after all this is The Dead Zone,,lol,,,,anything is posible ,,,
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Submitted by marye on Tue, 03/11/2008 - 13:25

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but you might get more discussion if you posted in the Campaign 2008 or Dead Head for Obama topic, where you will find many who share your view and many who do not! A noble Deadhead tradition...
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Submitted by Hal R on Tue, 03/11/2008 - 14:36

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I was just kicked out of chat room for misbehaving.What is that about? At least let me misbehave before I get kicked out. Maybe I was thinking about misbehaving. If the doors of perception were cleansed, everything would appear to man as it is, infinite. William Blake
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Submitted by Hal R on Tue, 03/11/2008 - 14:36

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I was just kicked out of chat room for misbehaving.What is that about? At least let me misbehave before I get kicked out. Maybe I was thinking about misbehaving. If the doors of perception were cleansed, everything would appear to man as it is, infinite. William Blake
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Submitted by reedchris on Tue, 03/11/2008 - 19:25

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I just got kicked out of the chatroom for using the "a" word. The "a"word?! I was brought up on that word. Is it bad? Needless to say, I'm embarassed. Sorry to anyone that is offended by the word a**hole. I've read much worse in there. What are the rules?
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Submitted by Hal R on Tue, 03/11/2008 - 20:16

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I was thrown out after I wrote the word cornsmoke and after that I was thrown out again with gratefulmom and buddy plant. Me bad. If the doors of perception were cleansed, everything would appear to man as it is, infinite. William Blake
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Submitted by GratefulGigi on Wed, 03/12/2008 - 04:42

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by guests last night I think they had something to do with us getting kicked out!!
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Submitted by 143or245 on Wed, 03/12/2008 - 06:08

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ok my brother...by the power vested in me, u (bob) have now been officially booted from this forum for "misbehavin"...keep up the good work! stay safe and feel good > (~):-}
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Submitted by Hal R on Wed, 03/12/2008 - 09:06

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We were trying to get the guests to speak but they didn't, they just watched us talk. If the doors of perception were cleansed, everything would appear to man as it is, infinite. William Blake
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Submitted by marye on Wed, 03/12/2008 - 11:16

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that's a very interesting data point, though who knows what's connected to what as far as all this misbehavior. I'm with Bob, I'm starting to feel left out because I clearly haven't misbehaved enough.
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Submitted by GreenRipple on Wed, 03/12/2008 - 15:59

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I will add ... that allowing Guest to enter the chat room is odd because it would seem to me that you would want folks to register before granting access to the chat room. But then again, do you want folks registering and then not using dead.net. I noticed that guests will appear and then after certain amount of time, the system does like a 'clean cycle', perhaps kicking folks that have been inactive for a certain time period. During this cycle, you will see your name as 'left the chat room' and then followed by 'has joined the chat room'.
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Submitted by stuman on Thu, 03/13/2008 - 02:01

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I`ve been booted as soon as i singed in ? did`nt even have a chance to say anything. it`s the time space continuem thing , the flux capaciter is`nt working well..... you all have a Grateful Day !!
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Submitted by Mr. Pid on Thu, 03/13/2008 - 07:13

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No good deed goes unpunished Conversation is always more interesting than recitation, so speak your mind and not someone else's.
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Submitted by Hal R on Thu, 03/13/2008 - 10:07

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Welcome aboard and glad you are now part of the misbehaving crowd. I got thrown out again last night. 3 times for me now. If the doors of perception were cleansed, everything would appear to man as it is, infinite. William Blake
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Submitted by marye on Thu, 03/13/2008 - 14:47

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so much for that theory... sorry, folks, guess it's just part of the adventure.
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Submitted by stuman on Sat, 03/15/2008 - 22:05

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Hey Marye, How ya doin ? I noticed the new prompt for new PMs, and i also notice that you need to be logged in to get into chat room ,, thats cool ! also noticed we got some new members now ,, also cool !! I still get kicked out of chat for misbehavin , but whatever..and i still can`t hear any tapers starting from the new year .. but hey still glad to be here .. Have a Grate Day !! And thank everyone else working to improve this place !!!
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Submitted by TigerLilly on Mon, 03/17/2008 - 10:23

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for the rude remark of asking whether anyone was there, and whether chat room was working-********************************** Don't part with your illusions. When they are gone, you will still exist, but you have ceased to live. Samuel Clemens
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Submitted by stuman on Mon, 03/17/2008 - 11:57

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oh like it aint bad enough i can`t listen to tapers section, now i get teased with the Winterland listening party ... Ain`t no party for me..... I can`t hear it .....peace everyone...

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Submitted by buddy plant on Mon, 03/17/2008 - 13:33

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Can someone tell me specifically what transgressions I seem to be committing? Did I smile on a cloudy day? I know that they'll get it all worked out one day. I think it's grate that they are trying... Thank you whoever owns this site!!
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Submitted by Mr. Pid on Mon, 03/17/2008 - 14:51

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from the newest member of the misbehaver's club. I went to the room, and I was the only person listed. The two other names came up. So I posted "Oh boy! More names in the list." I guess that was too sarcastic for Mr. Server. He's one strict taskmaster! Conversation is always more interesting than recitation, so speak your mind and not someone else's.
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Submitted by marye on Mon, 03/17/2008 - 15:04

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as that Chinese place in SF that was a big tourist attraction solely because one of the waiters was a true artist at showering customers with abuse. Or maybe as that Monty Python bit about insults.
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Submitted by Mr. Pid on Mon, 03/17/2008 - 16:09

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Well, I went away, but when I came back it didn't taunt me a second time... Conversation is always more interesting than recitation, so speak your mind and not someone else's.

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Submitted by buddy plant on Mon, 03/17/2008 - 16:54

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I think the place you're referring to was called Sam Wo's. The waiter's name was Edsel Wong, and the 'chow fun' (a rice noodle dish) there was/is the best in the city. I haven't been there in a while though... I saw the place roasted on Conan's show when he was broadcasting from S.F. a few years ago...
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Submitted by marye on Thu, 03/20/2008 - 08:54

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is over the top! Happy spring everybody!
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Submitted by TigerLilly on Fri, 03/21/2008 - 05:38

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Sometimes when I enter the chat room, the type of the ongoing conversation is grey-very faint, and sometimes is black like here in the threads. Does anybody know why this is? Also people seem to be signed into chatroom who are not there-for example I logged out about an hour ago, logged back in-checked the chatroom, and am no showing as visiting there twice. Again anybody know why? And last question is that when I type a message when type is grey-is this visible to the others, as I can see my words in red, but nobody answers.********************************** Don't part with your illusions. When they are gone, you will still exist, but you have ceased to live. Samuel Clemens
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Submitted by Mr. Pid on Fri, 03/21/2008 - 08:35

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I think that this happens when a certain amount of time has passed since anyone has posted anything new to the chat. It may also be a clue that there really isn't anyone else there, despite who's listed. Likewise, posts from other users appearing in black are probably relatively recent. Anything that you post should be able to be seen by anyone else who goes there. I believe that each user's posts appear in red only to them. Conversation is always more interesting than recitation, so speak your mind and not someone else's.
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Submitted by TigerLilly on Fri, 03/21/2008 - 08:45

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Just noticed that "misbehaving" also can mean being quiet for too long. Got kicked out twice when I went to the restroom-so must be some sort of timer thing.********************************** Don't part with your illusions. When they are gone, you will still exist, but you have ceased to live. Samuel Clemens
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Submitted by stuman on Tue, 03/25/2008 - 05:07

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I know the chat room was it`s strange querks, but wow i`ve been kicked out 8 times in like 20 minutes. I guise misbehavin is also saying good morning to everyone ... very strange place ....i hope it can be repaired soon, it would be nice to chat without getting the boot .. every two minutes .. Peace everyone !!!!
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Submitted by cosmicbadger on Tue, 03/25/2008 - 11:51

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the chatroom is becoming a bit of test of patience right now. Its just me and the dog for the next 3 weeks and its fun to keep an eye out for buddies in the chat room while working on reports and such. but You get kicked if you do not post every 2 minutes or so (but cheeky experiments today show that you can cuss as much as you like :-)...(you know who you are ;-)...) Also no one knows who is in the chatroom without going there so we all keep missing each other..but cannot stay in there without being booted. Any chance of a 'who's in the chat room' list in the sidebar or even better a pop up window so we can chat and do other stuff too? How that happens is way beyond my tech understanding so I have no idea if such things are feasible and practical. But if they are then it would be nice ...
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Submitted by marye on Tue, 03/25/2008 - 14:12

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I have passed them on.
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Submitted by TigerLilly on Wed, 03/26/2008 - 12:10

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second them. Has been kinda frustrating-some of us spent parts of last weekend having a conversation after the other guys were already offline-as we kept missing each other, due to slow posts, or the "in the chatroom" list not showing accurately who had actually already exited the chat room, or other such wacky things.********************************** Don't part with your illusions. When they are gone, you will still exist, but you have ceased to live. Samuel Clemens
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Submitted by stuman on Fri, 03/28/2008 - 03:35

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oh man oh man ,,... what on earth is going on here ???? this morning i got kicked to the kurb more times then i could count ,,...clik on chat rm, it opens then immediatly i get kicked out ,,. or some enters or leaves the chat and we all get the boot ,,.. very frustrating !! a true chalenge to chat with freinds ,,.. I start to wright a message and get the boot with out even finishing me comment ,...I guise we can only hope that it can be repaired ,,... or maybe we should just pm each other ,, and the slow post`s that makes it very dificult to... Lets all attemp to think happy thoughts !! the frustration is not doing us any good... "let their be songs to fill the air" peace .... Hope everyone has a Grate Day !!!
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Submitted by marye on Fri, 03/28/2008 - 09:47

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sorry for the aggravation. The thing is a work in progress, that's for sure.
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Submitted by stuman on Fri, 03/28/2008 - 14:01

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wow just got booted 10 times in 5 minutes, not even anyone there to talk to .,,,.. can we call it closed for construction ?? that way we won`t try to chat and get booted , wondering why ,,.... ???? wish i knew more abt. computers , i would try to help ,.. bootbot in there ,, maybe ,,...