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Allman Brothers

sw fla chip, deadicated: I have been listening to The Atlanta International Pop Festival July 3-5, 1970. It cooks. It is a must have. There have been so many great releases in the past 10 years of ABB live in its first incarnation.

This band has had five of my favorite guitar players as members, Duane, Dickie, Jimmy Herring, Warren Haynes and Derrick Trucks, plus the two drummers like you know who and great bass players And Greg's voice and keyboard and Chuck Leavell.

I saw the current band, and the Dead and Robert Hunter at the Gorge here in Washington 3 years ago. Very nice, big smiles all around.
Deadicated - I enjoy seeing your music choices,

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Fl>Joe>Duane

sw fla chip - I used to go to Ft. Myers Beach fairly regularly. My grandpappy used to live in Cape Coral - we'd go over to Sanibel and Captiva - I used to run on the streets and beach in Ft. Myers. Do they still have one side of the pier for family and the other for wildness?

McCoy Tyner plays a lot of piano! Were you referring to The Real McCoy? - If you were that one is indeed a keeper. A few more w/ Tyner under Henderson's name are Page One, In 'n' Out, and Inner Urge. I always like Henderson - I read somewhere that he always seems(ed) like he's(was) in the middle of a solo - apt!

When it comes to the Allman Bros., I have a soft spot. What Greg and Dickey said about
Duane's potential not even being close to realized is right on the money. The guy was 24. 24!!!
I am completely amazed every time I get a chance to listen to his every note. I've been listening to that Fillmore East Mountain Jam for 35 + years and the crushing intensity of that blues before the theme re-emerges at the end just kills me - to have been there? OMG What do you think? Has it become dated? Do you think he could have ever bettered that performance? Adios

"From day to day, just lettin' it ride,
You get so far away from how it feels inside,
You can't let go, 'cause you're afraid to fall,
But the day may come when you can't feel at all."

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Stephane Grapelli

Hal R:
I stand corrected - I now remember a fiddle-playing friend of mine and his obsession with Stephane Grapelli.
Came across a CD recently of McCoy Tyner (and Elvin Jones, I believe) playing with a guy named Joe Henderson.
I have one Quicksilver show on an old cassette tape - I listen every now and again and am blown away. Canned Heat was another good blues band from that era.
As for the Allmans - I just read a couple of interviews, one with Greg Allman and one with Dickey Betts, and they both went on and on about how Duane had barely scratched the surface of his formidable talent before his untimely death.
I've enjoyed just about every incarnation of the Allmans since I started seeing them in the mid-90s. Their shows used to be a mainstay of my summers before I moved to Ft Myers, where we just don't get much good live music (although I'm trying to change that).

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Clarence White was a big influence on Jerry, He played guitar with the Kentucky Colonels - bluegrass, he was just a kid then and there is some other acoustic stuff of his out there. Later He played with the Byrds -check out the Eight Miles High jam on The Byrds- Untitled. Also on the Byrds Fillmore disc that came out a few years ago. Tragically he was killed when he was hit by a car while loading equipment after a gig. I believe that Tony Rice has one of his guitars and played it on the Pizza tapes.

Stephane Grapelli was a violinist not mandolinist who played with Django Reinhardt in the Quintet of The Hot Club.during 1935-1939. The quintet is essential listening. I first heard of him in an album he did with Jean Luc Ponty. Grappelli also did one with David Grissman. He had a recording career of 58 years! I just saw the group Pearl Django several weeks ago, they play in this style. There are festivals and a subculture devoted to the Quintet and their music.

The influence of The John Coltrane Quartet was huge, not just for the Dead but for all the other great San Francisco groups - Quicksilver, the Airplane, Big Brother, Country Joe. I would bet that it was the Quartet who influenced The Butterfield Blues Band on the East-West jam which in turn was a big influence on the Dead and other S.F. psychedelic bands. I think Phil mentions seeing the Quartet in Searching For The Sound.

I love Miles, Cream, JA, Quicksilver, Widespread Panic, Phish, Moe, Gov't Mule and Dexter Gordon for their jamming. But to me there are four that tower at the top, Coltrane, Hendrix the Dead and the Allman Brothers, My two most treasured boxed sets sit next to each other - Coltrane's The Classic Quartet-Complete Impulse! Studio Recordings and Fillmore West -1969 The Complete Recordings. But you have to check out Coltrane live - The Village Vanguard just soars into the stratosphere.

McCoy Tyner-piano, Elvin Jones- drums , Jimmy Garrison -bass, John Coltrane- soprano and tenor saxophone - these names and their music should be known in every household. Let the sounds of the Heavens echo and ring

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Clarence Black?

"From day to day, just lettin' it ride,
You get so far away from how it feels inside,
You can't let go, 'cause you're afraid to fall,
But the day may come when you can't feel at all."

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Yeah, Elvin Jones!

Thanks - I'd forgotten that they really had been focusing on Coltrane at one time. The guy who made an impression on me on a couple few Billie Holiday records was Barney Kessel. If you're familiar with the song by Julie London, "Cry Me A River", he's the one who plays that killer intro. You know Jerry's solo disc "Reflections"? I really think the Django thing is apparent there. Whataya think?

"From day to day, just lettin' it ride,
You get so far away from how it feels inside,
You can't let go, 'cause you're afraid to fall,
But the day may come when you can't feel at all."

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Yep, same Chip

Yep, hopped over to this board - glad to see you and some of the others did too.
I don't know much about jazz guitar - I know I like the CD I have of Django Reinhardt and mandolinist Stephane Grapelli (not sure I spelled either name right) at the Hot Club in Paris in the 30s, and whoever played on Billie Holiday's records. And I remember a few years back reviewing a disc by this guy named Norman Brown who I thought was pretty slick.
As for the poster who inquired about Billy K's influences, I think I recall reading somewhere that he was into Elvin Jones, the drummer for one of Coltrane's groups.

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Jazz Drummers?

Billy K. was into jazz. Does anyone know which of the drummers influenced him the most? Has he mentioned somewhere what records he used to wear out?

"From day to day, just lettin' it ride,
You get so far away from how it feels inside,
You can't let go, 'cause you're afraid to fall,
But the day may come when you can't feel at all."

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Deadicated & sw fla chip

I think the single note stuff you refer to is what I'm hearing. BTW, how about Idris Mohammad's sweaty funk drumming on "Alive!"? Wow!
Yeah, I've got all of the Green albums you mentioned. Outside of Garcia, Grant Green is my favorite guitarist. He might not have had the technical abilities of Wes Montgomery or George Benson, but he had soul. Outside of "Alive!" my favorite Green album is "Live At The Lighthouse." I broke out into a sweat the first time I heard Windjammer!

sw fla chip, are you the same chip from the old boards? If so, good to see you made the transition! You can't go wrong with Grant Green's late sixties-early seventies funky period.

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Never heard of Grant Green -

Never heard of Grant Green - now I gotta check him out!
I've read interviews with Vince Welnick and Weir in which they cite the piano playing of McCoy Tyner from Coltrane's band as a big influence. He's now one of my favorite players - so tastefully filling in the spaces. And after reading an interview with Phil about how hard it was to follow Miles Davis during the Bitches Brew era, I had to check that out. I must say I like Miles' cooler stuff from late 50s/early 60s, but Bitches Brew is good and weird and funky.

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