Grateful Dead

New Vines 2009

With collaboration from various kind folks in the vining community, our own erickat prepared this handy guide explaining how vining works hereabouts. Many thanks to all involved, and vine on! --

Dead.Net Vines - What It Is & How It Works

(We're changing some things for 2009)

BACKGROUND: The concept of a "vine" is music sharing through conventional means (e.g. mailing cd's or dvd's) with the sign-up list being on-line. The basic idea is that someone starts (seeds) a vine, made up of one or multiple shows,and sends it via mail to the first person who signs up. That person makes a copy for themselves and sends the ORIGINAL media on to the next person on the list. As more people sign up, it continues to grow and grow - hence the name "vine".

MINIMUM REQUIREMENTS: Make sure you can deal with the media format. Many vines are in audio CD format, so the minimum basic requirement is that you are knowledgeable and capable of copying audio CD's. Other vines are in DVD format, which means you at least need the capability of reading a DVD. Yet others are in SHN or FLAC format- if you sign up for one of these, you need to know how to deal with those formats. Help is readily available - just ask. Here are some helpful links:

Flac Format

SHN Format


VINE: An original physical package of music or video (cd's/dvd's) being passed from person to person

VINEYARD: A topic within (where all the vine forums exist) SEEDER: A person who initiates a vine (creates the original "seed" media) PM: Short for "Private Message" - communication provided through SIGNUP LIST: The list of people who sign up to receive the package. Note - Be careful to get the most up to date version - you may have to go back a few pages from the end to find it.

POSTING: The act of leaving a message in a forum (very important) Post to sign-up Post when a vine arrives ; Post after a vine is sent.

New VINE Process (changes for 2009):

1. Check the Vinedex (updated from time to time, but may be out of date) to make sure it hasn't already been vined. Note - not everything is fair game for vining. Check the following before vining anything:

a) The Vinedex

b) Dicks Picks

c) Other Live Albums

d) Download Series

If it's not in those places, it is generally fair game. No copyrighted material, please Taper friendly bands only. (Marye may veto a particular vine for copyright or similar reasons.)

2. Post your vine info here (without signup list) - maybe include a note reminding people not to sign-up until it has its own topic.

3. Marye creates a forum topic with the vine info & a blank sign-up list and posts a link in the new vines area (e.g. VINE XXXX Lives HERE - with a link)

4. Then people go to that vine & start signing up NOTE - to make it easier on Marye, you could also PM her with the info. No early sign-ups - Any sign-ups before the vine has its own home will be ignored


1. Find a VINE you want to sign-up for.

2. Locate the most recent and most complete LIST (towards the end of the vine)

3. Copy the list & paste it into a new message, adding your username at the bottom.

4. Post the message & PM the person directly before you with your name & mailing address. Note the fact that you signed up for this vine (a spreadsheet is a good idea) (it can take a long time between when you sign up and when it arrives, so you really need to track what you're on the hook for & when to expect it- it's a responsibility)

5. Check your PM inbox and the vines you've signed up for periodically, so you know if someone is looking for you AND so you know when to expect each vine's arrival. Remember, if someone posts that they sent it to you & that's the last we know... it will look like you were the one that dropped the ball. If you don't receive a vine when you thought it was coming, then Post

6. When the vine arrives, post to (on the appropriate vine) that you received it.

7. Take care of the media - don't scratch 'em or crack 'em or put your fingerprints all over them - clean media means a longer lived vine

8. Make a copy for yourself & mail the ORIGINALS to the next person on the list.(If the person directly behind you on the list hasn't sent you their address, PM them. If no response after 3 or 4 days, PM the next in line - but post to the vine so people know)

9. Please make sure to properly package and address the media before mailing it. We have had some unfortunate losses, due to bad addresses, packages falling apart and just plain lost in the mail. Padded envelopes are cheap - and make sure they're securely taped & properly addressed.

10. AFTER you mail it, post on (on the appropriate vine) that you have sent it to the next person on the list. It is your responsibility to remember what you sign up for and be anticipating its arrival. Post messages to the vine upon receipt and again, after you have sent it on.


1. If you did not receive a PM or email from the person who is next on the list, PM them. If no response, then PM the following person for an address and send it to them, if they respond. If they don't, PM the next person - but in any case, make a posting on Dead.Net (on the appropriate vine) about what you're doing. This is very important. It's the only way we know what's going on.

2. If you were expecting a vine and did not receive it - PM the person who was going to send it to you. In any event, post to Dead.Net (on the appropriate vine) with the circumstances, so everyone knows what is going on. It can't be overstated how important POSTING is - just knowing what is going on will prevent speculation, accusations & hard feelings.

CAVEAT EMPTOR As a friend of mine always says ... "don't sweat the small stuff" - "and by the way - it's all small stuff."

Life happens - car accidents, arrests, people get sick - people abscond - but you can't get overly upset about any of it, especially when it's all free. Sometimes vines disappear - and many times, they are revived or re-seeded by kind folk. This is the most unrestrictive & trusting vine community I know of - and the reason we emphasize posting is so we can keep the music flowing - not to accuse or condemn. If we know a vine is lost, then someone can re-seed and keep the music going. Nobody should get upset or make personal attacks over what happens here. In the past, we've had all sorts of reasons why people just disappear - and when they came back, we were overjoyed that they did. Sometimes, if a person is known to be unreliable, their name will be removed from the vine lists - but that's a rare occurrence.


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marye's picture
Joined: May 26 2007
Fall 81 Europe Vine

is here.

marye's picture
Joined: May 26 2007
Garcia 1974 Project Installment 2 vine

is here.

marye's picture
Joined: May 26 2007
1977 Lossless Part 4

is here.

Joined: Nov 21 2007

Thank you Marye !!

Joined: Nov 21 2007

More goodies !!! And it all looks so sweet too !! Thanks guys !!

UncleJon's picture
Joined: Jun 26 2007
Garcia Project '74 Installment Two

Ok, here's installment two of five...


Thanks Marye for posting and all that you do...


"when life looks like easy street, there is danger at your door"

dstache's picture
Joined: Sep 10 2007
1977 Lossless: Part 4 (10/14-12/31)

Part 4 of the the 1977 lossless vine includes everything from 10/14 through the end of the year, EXCEPT for 10/15, which is listed on one of the discs but which is corrupt and you will unable to convert (not only this copy, but my copy AND the copy of the person that gave it to me). So don't bother with 10/15. Hopefully, someone will vine it in the future.

This is a wonderful end to a peak year. There are so many fine shows, but 10/16, 10/29, 11/4, 11/6 and 12/27 truly stand out. Note that ONLY two tracks from 12/29 are included (the 2 tracks not included on the Dick's Pick). You definitely should purchase the officially released 11/5 and 12/29. 12/29 is a show for the ages and contains what I consider the definitive version of Jack Straw, as well as one of the great moments in GD history as the crowd reacts to the opening notes of China Cat Sunflower, the first since retirement (and the only post-retirement version until 1979).

Some of these shows have been vined before, some by me and some by others (our old friend Yamadog first vined 10/16).

Again, thank you to the wonderful people here in the vineyard who contributed to this great project!!!

This vine contains the following sources:


The sign up list begins as follows:

(1) Pomo1
(2) Estim8ed
(3) Jackstrawfromcolorado
(4) Arkdeadhead

JackstrawfromColorado's picture
Joined: Jan 2 2009
Fall 1981 in Europe Vine

Hail 1981! Here is my (maybe) last installment from this historic year and its a doozy! Eight shows from their fall European tour are included on this vine. So if you get this one plus the 81 Downunder Vine (10/12-13,17) you would have 11 of the 14 Europe shows! Two of these have already been vined (10/6 and 10/16) however I think they may be MIA. These are SBDs of mostly shn files and one in flac on 2 DVDs.

September 30, 1981
Playhouse Theatre
Edinburgh, Scotland

October 2, 3, 4, 6, 1981
Rainbow Theater
London, England

October 8, 1981
Forum Theatre
Copenhagen, Denmark

October 16, 1981
Melk Weg
Amsterdam, Netherlands

October 19, 1981
Sports Palace
Barcelona, Spain

"I've stayed in every blue-light cheap hotel. Can't win for tryin. Dust off those rusty strings just one more time. Gonna make em shine."

marye's picture
Joined: May 26 2007
Early Fall 1981 Vine

is here.

JackstrawfromColorado's picture
Joined: Jan 2 2009
Early Fall 1981 Vine

Aww yes, the beginning of fall 1981, which marked the end of the U.S. leg of the tour with 3 shows on the east coast. Flac/shn files on a DVD.

Grateful Dead - September 25, 1981
Stabler Arena - Bethlehem, PA

9/26/81 - Grateful Dead
War Memorial Auditorium
Buffalo, NY

Grateful Dead
Capital Centre
Landover, MD
September 27, 1981

Stay tuned for the first part of their European tour in fall 1981.

"I've stayed in every blue-light cheap hotel. Can't win for tryin. Dust off those rusty strings just one more time. Gonna make em shine."


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