Grateful Dead

New Vines 2009

With collaboration from various kind folks in the Dead.net vining community, our own erickat prepared this handy guide explaining how vining works hereabouts. Many thanks to all involved, and vine on! --

Dead.Net Vines - What It Is & How It Works

(We're changing some things for 2009)

BACKGROUND: The concept of a "vine" is music sharing through conventional means (e.g. mailing cd's or dvd's) with the sign-up list being on-line. The basic idea is that someone starts (seeds) a vine, made up of one or multiple shows,and sends it via mail to the first person who signs up. That person makes a copy for themselves and sends the ORIGINAL media on to the next person on the list. As more people sign up, it continues to grow and grow - hence the name "vine".

MINIMUM REQUIREMENTS: Make sure you can deal with the media format. Many vines are in audio CD format, so the minimum basic requirement is that you are knowledgeable and capable of copying audio CD's. Other vines are in DVD format, which means you at least need the capability of reading a DVD. Yet others are in SHN or FLAC format- if you sign up for one of these, you need to know how to deal with those formats. Help is readily available - just ask. Here are some helpful links:

Flac Format

SHN Format

DEFINITIONS:

VINE: An original physical package of music or video (cd's/dvd's) being passed from person to person

VINEYARD: A topic within Dead.net (where all the vine forums exist) SEEDER: A person who initiates a vine (creates the original "seed" media) PM: Short for "Private Message" - communication provided through dead.net SIGNUP LIST: The list of people who sign up to receive the package. Note - Be careful to get the most up to date version - you may have to go back a few pages from the end to find it.

POSTING: The act of leaving a message in a forum (very important) Post to sign-up Post when a vine arrives ; Post after a vine is sent.

New VINE Process (changes for 2009):

1. Check the Vinedex (updated from time to time, but may be out of date) to make sure it hasn't already been vined. Note - not everything is fair game for vining. Check the following before vining anything:

a) The Vinedex

b) Dicks Picks

c) Other Live Albums

d) Download Series

If it's not in those places, it is generally fair game. No copyrighted material, please Taper friendly bands only. (Marye may veto a particular vine for copyright or similar reasons.)

2. Post your vine info here (without signup list) - maybe include a note reminding people not to sign-up until it has its own topic.

3. Marye creates a forum topic with the vine info & a blank sign-up list and posts a link in the new vines area (e.g. VINE XXXX Lives HERE - with a link)

4. Then people go to that vine & start signing up NOTE - to make it easier on Marye, you could also PM her with the info. No early sign-ups - Any sign-ups before the vine has its own home will be ignored

SIGNING UP FOR A VINE:

1. Find a VINE you want to sign-up for.

2. Locate the most recent and most complete LIST (towards the end of the vine)

3. Copy the list & paste it into a new message, adding your username at the bottom.

4. Post the message & PM the person directly before you with your name & mailing address. Note the fact that you signed up for this vine (a spreadsheet is a good idea) (it can take a long time between when you sign up and when it arrives, so you really need to track what you're on the hook for & when to expect it- it's a responsibility)

5. Check your PM inbox and the vines you've signed up for periodically, so you know if someone is looking for you AND so you know when to expect each vine's arrival. Remember, if someone posts that they sent it to you & that's the last we know... it will look like you were the one that dropped the ball. If you don't receive a vine when you thought it was coming, then Post

6. When the vine arrives, post to dead.net (on the appropriate vine) that you received it.

7. Take care of the media - don't scratch 'em or crack 'em or put your fingerprints all over them - clean media means a longer lived vine

8. Make a copy for yourself & mail the ORIGINALS to the next person on the list.(If the person directly behind you on the list hasn't sent you their address, PM them. If no response after 3 or 4 days, PM the next in line - but post to the vine so people know)

9. Please make sure to properly package and address the media before mailing it. We have had some unfortunate losses, due to bad addresses, packages falling apart and just plain lost in the mail. Padded envelopes are cheap - and make sure they're securely taped & properly addressed.

10. AFTER you mail it, post on dead.net (on the appropriate vine) that you have sent it to the next person on the list. It is your responsibility to remember what you sign up for and be anticipating its arrival. Post messages to the vine upon receipt and again, after you have sent it on.

TROUBLESHOOTING:

1. If you did not receive a PM or email from the person who is next on the list, PM them. If no response, then PM the following person for an address and send it to them, if they respond. If they don't, PM the next person - but in any case, make a posting on Dead.Net (on the appropriate vine) about what you're doing. This is very important. It's the only way we know what's going on.

2. If you were expecting a vine and did not receive it - PM the person who was going to send it to you. In any event, post to Dead.Net (on the appropriate vine) with the circumstances, so everyone knows what is going on. It can't be overstated how important POSTING is - just knowing what is going on will prevent speculation, accusations & hard feelings.

CAVEAT EMPTOR As a friend of mine always says ... "don't sweat the small stuff" - "and by the way - it's all small stuff."

Life happens - car accidents, arrests, people get sick - people abscond - but you can't get overly upset about any of it, especially when it's all free. Sometimes vines disappear - and many times, they are revived or re-seeded by kind folk. This is the most unrestrictive & trusting vine community I know of - and the reason we emphasize posting is so we can keep the music flowing - not to accuse or condemn. If we know a vine is lost, then someone can re-seed and keep the music going. Nobody should get upset or make personal attacks over what happens here. In the past, we've had all sorts of reasons why people just disappear - and when they came back, we were overjoyed that they did. Sometimes, if a person is known to be unreliable, their name will be removed from the vine lists - but that's a rare occurrence.

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1977 Lossless: Part 3 (6/4-10/14)

Part 3 of this vine is ready to go. Multiple sources for many of the shows in this period will be included. Thanks again to jsfc, Hippy, Pomo1, Estim8ed, Arkdeadhead, CB, Rick and Richard for all their help!

Sources:

77-06-04.bertrando.goodbear.3417
77-06-04.fob.menke.motb.0096.97183
77-06-07.mtx.seamons.99001
77-06-07.sbd.hollister.24291
77-06-08.mtx.seamons.xxxxx
77-06-08.sbd.miller.25621
77-06-09.mtx.seamons.98801
77-06-09.sbd.miller.28614
77-09-28.95952.sbd.cantor-crouch-diebert-gmb
77-09-29.sbd.cantor-crouch-diebert-gmb
77-10-01.sbd.crouch-diebert-gmb.86234
77-10-02.sbd.cantor-crouch-diebert-gmb.86354
77-10-06.sbd.gorinsky.5804
77-10-07.s2.sbd.miller.80753
77-10-09.sbd.miller.xxxxx
77-10-11.sbd.miller.87514
77-10-12.sbd.cotsman.19291
77-10-14.sbd.tetzeli.34260

The first four slots of the sign up list are reserved for contributors. This will go out tomorrow. Enjoy!

(1) jackstrawfromcolorado
(2) Arkdeadhead
(3) Pomo1
(4) Estim8ed

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Badger Garcia Compilation Vine

WOW. Can't wait for this one! Right after Jerry Week, too.

Kind of makes me chuckle when I see this vine and think about the "Road Trip Complete Shows Only Whiners."

"Great spirits have always found violent opposition from mediocrities. The latter cannot understand it when a man does not thoughtlessly submit to hereditary prejudices but honestly and courageously uses his intelligence."
Albert Einstein

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Hi All

My plans for the Playboy vine have been delayed until September.

We are into a very busy time. It is pre-back to school fun time for the family.

A weekend at Hershey PA.

Another long weekend at Mashout. Google it. it is a blast.

The new computer will not be up and running until after Mashout.

Peace.

DMTT

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Great Idea, Badger

How about Bobby, Too?

Grateful Dead Compilation
"Rockin' Bobby"

disc 1: (78:45)

01. (3:16) The Race Is On 5/5/90
02. (10:55) Truckin' 7/9/89
03. (3:07) Big Boy Pete 11/17/78*
04. (4:00) Bob's Comments on archive.org 2005
05. (5:1 Brother Esau 8/27/83
06. (8:43) Memphis Blues 10/9/89
07. (5:39) Green Green Grass 6/27/69
08. (7:06) Cassidy** 9/10/91
09. (4:13) Take Me to the River 7/9/95
10. (8:22) Dancin --> 10/3/76
11. (14:01) Not Fade Away --> 10/3/76
12. (4:05) Dancin 10/3/76

All SBD Sources, except Esau: Senn 421

Notes:
*Bob Weir and Friends
**with Branford Marsalis

disc 2: (78:26)

01. (9:0 Little Red Rooster 6/24/83
02. (13:42) Corinna --> Jam* 3/9/92
03. (8:37) New Potato Caboose --> 2/14/68
04. (6:27) Born Cross Eyed 2/14/68
05. (0:37) Bobs picks movie stars
to play the Dead 1987
06. (6:31) Ballad of a Thin man 4/1/88
07. (2:42) Dire Wolf 6/21/69
08. (3:46) Spoonful** 9/6/85
09. (8:40) Looks Like Rain 6/9/77
10. (0:53) Bobs Comments on T Stones 1987
11. (8:42) Throwing Stones --> 4/13/83
12. (8:41) Good Lovin 4/13/83

All SBD Sources, except: Rooster (fob) Nak 300
and: Spoonful Oade Schoeps
Notes:
*mostly without Garcia
**without Garcia

disc 3: (74:47)

01. (4:34) Salt Lake City 2/21/95
02. (3:24) Sage and Spirit 8/13/75
03. (0:41) Bobs Comments on Minglewood 2/79
04. (7:09) Minglewood 6/7/80
05. (6:25) Bobby McGee 4/2/73
06. (3:10) B.I.O.D.T.L. 7/7/78
07. (5:50) WRS Prelude, Part 1--> 11/20/73
08. (13:23) Let It Grow 8/3/82
09. (4:4 This Time Forever 11/17/78*
10. (2:25) Yellow Dog Story 3/8/70
11. (1:24) Frozen Logger 12/26/70
12. (10:23) Space @ 12/15/94
13. (6:51) Black Throated Wind 11/14/73
14. (4:20) Promised Land** 6/10/73

All SBD Sources, except: Minglewood MAC
and: Space AKG 460B + CK8

Notes:
@Weir on acoustic
*Bob Wier and Friends
**w/ Allman Bros and Merle Saunders

disc 4: (77:56)

01. (7:04) Jam Into Passenger --> 3/5/81
02. (5:12) Passenger* 3/5/81
03. (0:35) The Accident 10/30/80
04. (7:19) Gloria jam --> 12/1/79
05. (7:02) C.C. Ryder** 12/1/79
06. (5:00) Jam out of C.C. Ryder 12/1/79
07. (2:52) Me and My Uncle*** 2/23/70
08. (9:3 Lazy Lightning --> Supplication 5/22/82
09. (6:14) Heaven Help the Fool 10/7/80
10. (6:45) Miracle 2/10/79
11. (0:4 Bobs Poacher Joke 1/6/78
12. (3:0 Silver Threads and Golden Needles 7/4/69
13. (7:24) Picasso Moon 3/27/95
14. (2:02) Microphone Monitor Level Test 4/22/71
15. (0:13) FM Banter --> 3/23/75
16. (4:0 Johnny B. Goode 3/23/75

All SBD Sources, except: Miracle (fob) Sony ECM-250 -> CM

Notes:
*without Garcia
**first C.C. Ryder
***Solo, Acoustic

disc 5: (79:53)

01. (8:07) Music Never Stopped 7/7/78
02. (6:29) Big River 1/6/78
03. (7:25) Lost Sailor --> 4/17/82
04. (7:10) Saint of Circumstance --> 4/17/82
05. (5:20) Spanish Jam* --> 4/17/82
06. (0:10) Drums..... 4/17/82
07. (4:07) Whinin Boy Blues 11/17/78**
08. (3:42) Jam into The Other One --> 6/24/91
09. (15:54) The Other One 7/2/71
10. (9:49) Desolation Row 3/24/90
11. (3:34) Seasons 8/2/69
12. (0:5 Bobs Comments on Samson 2/79
13. (7:0 Samson and Delilah 9/18/82

All SBD Sources

Notes:
*Without Garcia
**Bob Weir and Friends

disc 6: (77:26)

01. (8:07) Feel Like a Stranger 3/9/81
02. (2:57) Sawmill 1/31/70
03. (10:31) Estimated Prophet 12/30/86
04. (6:26) Walkin' Blues 7/3/88
05. (0:13) Bob Gives Taping Advice 8/6/71
06. (2:32) Monkey and the Engineer 10/11/80
07. (4:3 One More Saturday Night 4/14/72
08. (5:4 Masterpiece 9/12/90
09. (7:5 Women R Smarter 6/22/86
10. (3:15) Slewfoot 6/28/69
11. (6:21) Gloria 5/21/92
12. (0:29) Thank You Uncle Bobo 12/31/80
13. (7:36) Around and Around 10/27/79
14. (3:53) On the Road Again 11/26/80
15. (6:42) Satisfaction 4/9/82

All SBD Sources

disc 7: (79:41)

01. (0:20) Bobs Comments on Bucket 1987
02. (6:21) Hell in a Bucket 10/12/89
03. (9:45) Eternity 3/28/93
04. (2:34) Mama Tried --> 12/10/79
05. (5:32) Mexicali Blues 9/26/91
06. (5:0 Walkin' the Dog 11/21/85
07. (2:26) KC Moan 9/24/94*
08. (6:46) Jack Straw** 1/7/78
09. (5:17) Smokestack Lightning 4/3/91
10. (4:13) Money, Money 5/19/74
11. (6:33) Bob Star*** 4/15/83
12. (5:13) All Along the Watchtower 3/31/89
13. (3:41) Bound in Memories**** 1/31/70
14. (6:19) The Last Time***** 8/21/93
15. (9:33) Sugar Magnolia 12/6/73

All SBD Sources.

Notes:
*Phil and Friends, acoustic
**No Garcia Vocals
***First Time
****Only Time
*****with Huey Lewis

disc 8: (79:54)

01. (8:31) Wang Dang Doodle 9/13/91
02. (2:41) Wake Up Little Susie 5/1/70
03. (4:57) Fever 9/13/87
04. (5:59) Victim or the Crime 7/17/88
05. (6:57) Superstitious --> Bottom 6/28/85
06. (6:03) El Paso@ 10/14/84
07. (8:19) The Same Thing 5/27/93
08. (6:01) Kansas City 10/28/85
09. (6:42) Queen Jane Approximately 7/15/89
10. (6:19) Easy Answers* 9/22/93
11. (1:17) MTV Unplugged Banter 9/24/94**
12. (3:07) New Orleans 6/6/70
13. (4:51) Greatest Story Ever Told 5/17/74
14. (8:10) (Turn on Your) Lovelight 6/27/85

All SBD Sources, except Fever: (fob) Schoeps

Notes:
@Weir on acoustic
*with David Murray

disc 9: (79:54)

01. (15:39) Playin' in the Band --> 4/14/82
02. (3:1 Hully Gully* 10/16/81
03. (7:36) King Bee 12/8/93
04. (0:46) "Take a Step Back" 5/8/77
05. (8:15) Playin' Jam 3/28/86
06. (9:24) Good Morning Little Schoolgirl** 6/25/92
07. (4:21) Dark Hollow 9/25/80
08. (4:06) Playin Reprise 4/14/82
09. (0:47) Weir and Jorma Backstage 5/18/68
10. (8:33) All Over Now 5/11/81
11. (9:01) ...Not Fade Away*** --> Chant 12/31/90

filler: Ratdog HOB Myrtle Beach (taped by Kenny Watts)

12. (8:0 Touch of Gray**** 3/17/06

All SBD sources, except Touch: (fob) AKG 480/ck61

Notes:
*Only time played
**with Steve Miller and James Cotton
***with Branford Marsalis
****with Bela Fleck and the Flecktones

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Garcia Compilations Vol 1-10 Vine

An vast compilation of Jerry without the Dead put together by a certain Chris Davis. Recently retorrented (for torrenters it is up on etree and other usual places with the title Garcia Compilations--Vol. 1-10--Complete ). Had to be vined in celebration of Jerry week!

1 DVD of FLACs rolling out into 10 CDs of Jerry through the ages. Around 80% sbd material. Notes include full details of each recording and comments from the compiler.

Garcia Compilation (Volume 1). 1. Cats Under the Stars 3/18/78; 2. Love in the Afternoon 11/23/77; 3. New York City* 6/4/74; 4. Rubin and Cherise 4/10/82; 5. Neighbor, Neighbor 8/30/74; 6. Heavens Door** 3/11/78; 7. Ill Be With Thee 3/18/78; 8. Drove Old Dixie Down 7/20/76; 9. Ride Mighty High 7/9/76; 10. Palm Sunday 3/18/78.
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Garcia Compilation (Volume 2). 1. Tore Up 11/15/76; 2. Train to Cry 5/5/82; 3. After Midnight > 2/17/80; 4. Eleanor Rigby jam > 5. After Midnight (reprise); 6. Mississippi Moon 4/12/75; 7. Sing Me Back Home 6/4/82; 8. Positively 4th Street 12/21/79; 9. Goodnight Irene* 4/21/82. *with Dr. John on piano.
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Garcia Compilation (Volume 3: Garcia and Sanders). 1. Think 2/9/74; 2. Someday Baby 7/8/73; 3. Let It Rock 11/15/74; 4. He Aint Give You None 8/24/74; 5. The Harder They Come 11/28/74; 6. Its No Use* 6/30/72; 7. Roadrunner 2/5/74;
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Garcia Compilation (Volume 4). 1. Ill Take a Melody 3/8/80; 2. How Sweet It Is 2/12/80; 3. Mission in the Rain 2/19/78; 4. Tough Mama 1/27/76; 5. Sitting Here in Limbo* 12/19/75; 6. Masterpiece 2/29/80; 7. Russian Lullabye 1/24/80 .
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Garcia Compilation (Volume 5 Garcia Grisman mix). 1. Sweet Sunny South* 12/8/91; 2. Off to Sea Once More 2/3/91; 3. Drink Up and Go Home 5/7/92; 4. Friend of the Devil 8/25/91; 5. Heavens Door** 3/xx/95; 6. So What 9/17/93; 7. Oh, the Wind and Rain 5/xx/92; 8. Im Troubled 5/8/92; 9. The Thrill is Gone 5/xx/92; 10. Louis Collins 12/8/91; 11. She Belongs to Me 5/xx/92; 12. Eat my Dust*** 8/25/91; 13. Ripple*** 8/25/91; 14. Jam Into Shady Grove** 3/xx/95; 15. Shady Grove** 3/xx/95. *duet, with banjos; **with Tony Rice; ***with Bela Fleck.
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Garcia Compilation (Volume 6: 90’s JGB). 1. Shining Star 11/19/93; 2. Dear Prudence 2/5/94; 3. C'est La Vie (You Never Can Tell) 4/25/94; 4. The Maker 2/6/94; 5. Strugglin man 8/14/94; 6. Lets Spend the Night Together* 5/2/92.
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Garcia Compilation (Volume 7: Garcia and Guests). 01. Finders Keepers* 1/19/74; 02. Think** 8/30/87; 03. Right Back Together*** 1/7/76; 04. Will the Weaver**** 5/4/63; 05. Sick and Tired***** 6/30/72; 06. Money Honey* 12/20/75; 07. Turtle Dove****** 12/17/87; 08. Born on the Bayou******* 5/27/89; 09. Wang Dang Doodle******** 12/4/88; 10. Heavens Door** 8/30/87.
* Matt Kelly (Garcia/Saunders); ** Bonnie Raitt (JGB); *** James Booker (JGB); **** Sara Ruppenthal Garcia (Jerry and Sara); ***** Tom Fogerty (Garcia/Saunders); ****** Joan Baez (Garcia/Kahn/Weir); ******* John Fogerty (Fogerty/Garcia/Weir/Randy Jackson/Steve Jordan); ******** Neil Young (Garcia/Weir/Wasserman)
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Garcia Compilation (Volume 8: Saxophone Jerry mix). 1. The Love Each Other* 9/10/89; 2. Waiting for a Miracle* 9/16/89; 3. Tangled Up In Blue** 11/12/93; 4. Hope It Wont Be This Way Always* 9/10/89; 5. Lay Down Sally** 11/12/93; 6. Dont Let Go* > 9/11/89; 7. Lonesome and a Long Way From Home*; 8. I Shall Be Released* 12/2/89; *with Clarence Clemons; **with David Murray
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Garcia Compilation (Volume 9: Spirit of 76). 1. Sugaree 9/11/76; 2. Stop That Train 8/22/76; 3. Catfish John 11/15/76; 4. That's What Love Will Make You Do 9/11/76; 5. A Strange Man 1/27/76; 6. Stir It Up 7/20/76; 7. Mission in the Rain 1/27/76; 8. Mystery Train 7/9/76
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Garcia Compilation (Volume 10: Jerry and John Kahn). 01. Stagger Lee 4/21/82; 02. To Lay Me Down 6/3/84; 03. Valerie 8/23/82; 04. Oh Babe it Aint No Lie 5/5/82; 05. Peggy-O 11/26/84; 06. She Belongs To Me 10/16/85; 07. Jack A Roe 6/4/82; 08. Gomorrah 1/28/86; 09. Little Sadie 11/14/86; 10. Masterpiece 1/27/86; 11. Run For the Roses 11/18/84; 12. Rubin and Cherise 5/5/82; 13. Ripple 6/4/82.

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on Ursa's Matrix vine, there is one

Civic Center Springfield, MA June 30, 1974
DTS-Audio-CD 5.1 Mix

I'll see if i have others to include there, before it goes out

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5.1's

Have we vined any dolby surround sound 5.1's yet? I have a few if anyones interested, including
Ithaca, NY '77 and. RFK 6/10/73 Of course, if you don't have a dolby surround 5.1 amplifier or a cd player that plays 5.1's your hosed.

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accepted

sometimes it's not the words that come across- but the tone. all of us have limited time left in this plane - and to quote Robert Hunter ... "If I had the strength to know - which things count and which are show - I'd hold my fate within my hands instead of all these chains and bands"

life is too short for limits - and there's room for all while we're waiting

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I really really appreciate

Every single vine you have provided here for us eric. They have been awesome. But you are taking this the wrong way my friend I wasn't "telling you what you can and what you cannot vine". And I most certainly was not criticizing anything or anyone I was just stating my opinion and preference and I totally apologize if I offended you but trust me that was not my intention. Chill brother...

"I've stayed in every blue-light cheap hotel. Can't win for tryin. Dust off those rusty strings just one more time. Gonna make em shine."

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The rules ....

The rules are meant as a framework to ensure that things go as smoothly as possible - and encuorage communication - but as is stated in the "how this works" section (which I wrote in conjunction with many others here), this is the most free and unencumbered by rules vining community in existance. It's one thing to specify healthy protocol for the process of exchanging information - but when you start to tell me how and what I can vine (outside of legal issues) then that goes too far.
I typically push out small wav vines for folks who don't do lossless - which i'm certain many have enjoyed (but which some have criticized) - When a vine has has any size to it at all, I put out in a lossless format on dvd's - and others choose to convert or not convert, down the line - I won't tell them what to do - other than to please forward the originals, not copies.

If you like, we can take this to the meta topic - but this is not about individuals here (unless you want to celebrate Marye) - it's about the music.

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