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New Vines 2009

With collaboration from various kind folks in the vining community, our own erickat prepared this handy guide explaining how vining works hereabouts. Many thanks to all involved, and vine on! --

Dead.Net Vines - What It Is & How It Works

(We're changing some things for 2009)

BACKGROUND: The concept of a "vine" is music sharing through conventional means (e.g. mailing cd's or dvd's) with the sign-up list being on-line. The basic idea is that someone starts (seeds) a vine, made up of one or multiple shows,and sends it via mail to the first person who signs up. That person makes a copy for themselves and sends the ORIGINAL media on to the next person on the list. As more people sign up, it continues to grow and grow - hence the name "vine".

MINIMUM REQUIREMENTS: Make sure you can deal with the media format. Many vines are in audio CD format, so the minimum basic requirement is that you are knowledgeable and capable of copying audio CD's. Other vines are in DVD format, which means you at least need the capability of reading a DVD. Yet others are in SHN or FLAC format- if you sign up for one of these, you need to know how to deal with those formats. Help is readily available - just ask. Here are some helpful links:

Flac Format

SHN Format


VINE: An original physical package of music or video (cd's/dvd's) being passed from person to person

VINEYARD: A topic within (where all the vine forums exist) SEEDER: A person who initiates a vine (creates the original "seed" media) PM: Short for "Private Message" - communication provided through SIGNUP LIST: The list of people who sign up to receive the package. Note - Be careful to get the most up to date version - you may have to go back a few pages from the end to find it.

POSTING: The act of leaving a message in a forum (very important) Post to sign-up Post when a vine arrives ; Post after a vine is sent.

New VINE Process (changes for 2009):

1. Check the Vinedex (updated from time to time, but may be out of date) to make sure it hasn't already been vined. Note - not everything is fair game for vining. Check the following before vining anything:

a) The Vinedex

b) Dicks Picks

c) Other Live Albums

d) Download Series

If it's not in those places, it is generally fair game. No copyrighted material, please Taper friendly bands only. (Marye may veto a particular vine for copyright or similar reasons.)

2. Post your vine info here (without signup list) - maybe include a note reminding people not to sign-up until it has its own topic.

3. Marye creates a forum topic with the vine info & a blank sign-up list and posts a link in the new vines area (e.g. VINE XXXX Lives HERE - with a link)

4. Then people go to that vine & start signing up NOTE - to make it easier on Marye, you could also PM her with the info. No early sign-ups - Any sign-ups before the vine has its own home will be ignored


1. Find a VINE you want to sign-up for.

2. Locate the most recent and most complete LIST (towards the end of the vine)

3. Copy the list & paste it into a new message, adding your username at the bottom.

4. Post the message & PM the person directly before you with your name & mailing address. Note the fact that you signed up for this vine (a spreadsheet is a good idea) (it can take a long time between when you sign up and when it arrives, so you really need to track what you're on the hook for & when to expect it- it's a responsibility)

5. Check your PM inbox and the vines you've signed up for periodically, so you know if someone is looking for you AND so you know when to expect each vine's arrival. Remember, if someone posts that they sent it to you & that's the last we know... it will look like you were the one that dropped the ball. If you don't receive a vine when you thought it was coming, then Post

6. When the vine arrives, post to (on the appropriate vine) that you received it.

7. Take care of the media - don't scratch 'em or crack 'em or put your fingerprints all over them - clean media means a longer lived vine

8. Make a copy for yourself & mail the ORIGINALS to the next person on the list.(If the person directly behind you on the list hasn't sent you their address, PM them. If no response after 3 or 4 days, PM the next in line - but post to the vine so people know)

9. Please make sure to properly package and address the media before mailing it. We have had some unfortunate losses, due to bad addresses, packages falling apart and just plain lost in the mail. Padded envelopes are cheap - and make sure they're securely taped & properly addressed.

10. AFTER you mail it, post on (on the appropriate vine) that you have sent it to the next person on the list. It is your responsibility to remember what you sign up for and be anticipating its arrival. Post messages to the vine upon receipt and again, after you have sent it on.


1. If you did not receive a PM or email from the person who is next on the list, PM them. If no response, then PM the following person for an address and send it to them, if they respond. If they don't, PM the next person - but in any case, make a posting on Dead.Net (on the appropriate vine) about what you're doing. This is very important. It's the only way we know what's going on.

2. If you were expecting a vine and did not receive it - PM the person who was going to send it to you. In any event, post to Dead.Net (on the appropriate vine) with the circumstances, so everyone knows what is going on. It can't be overstated how important POSTING is - just knowing what is going on will prevent speculation, accusations & hard feelings.

CAVEAT EMPTOR As a friend of mine always says ... "don't sweat the small stuff" - "and by the way - it's all small stuff."

Life happens - car accidents, arrests, people get sick - people abscond - but you can't get overly upset about any of it, especially when it's all free. Sometimes vines disappear - and many times, they are revived or re-seeded by kind folk. This is the most unrestrictive & trusting vine community I know of - and the reason we emphasize posting is so we can keep the music flowing - not to accuse or condemn. If we know a vine is lost, then someone can re-seed and keep the music going. Nobody should get upset or make personal attacks over what happens here. In the past, we've had all sorts of reasons why people just disappear - and when they came back, we were overjoyed that they did. Sometimes, if a person is known to be unreliable, their name will be removed from the vine lists - but that's a rare occurrence.


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marye's picture
Joined: May 26 2007
St. Paddy's Vine

is here.

erickat's picture
Joined: Feb 20 2008
St. Patrick's Day is coming up.... so..

here's a little vine to celebrate that day.
(2 audio CD vine, to keep it small & fast)

Grateful Dead - March 17, 1988
Henry J. Kaiser Auditorium - Oakland, CA

Recording Info:
SBD -> Dat (48k)

Transfer Info:
Dat (Sony R500) -> Sound Devices 744T -> Samplitude Professional v10.02 -> FLAC
(2 Discs Audio / 2 Discs FLAC)

All Transfers and Mastering By Charlie Miller
March 26, 2008

Patch Info:
SBD -> Cassette Master (TDK SA-X90/Dolby B) supplies:
Let It Grow (2:50 - end of track)

-- Drums with Hamza El-Din

Set 1:
d1t01 - Tuning
d1t02 - Hell In A Bucket ->
d1t03 - Sugaree
d1t04 - New Minglewood Blues
d1t05 - Ramble On Rose
d1t06 - Stuck Inside Of Mobile With The Memphis Blues Again
d1t07 - Row Jimmy
d1t08 - Let It Grow

Set 2:
d2t01 - Tuning
d2t02 - China Cat Sunflower ->
d2t03 - I Know You Rider ->
d2t04 - Estimated Prophet ->
d2t05 - Eyes Of The World ->
d2t06 - Drums ->
d2t07 - Space ->
d2t08 - Goin' Down The Road Feeling Bad ->
d2t09 - I Need A Miracle ->
d2t10 - Dear Mr. Fantasy ->
d2t11 - Hey Jude

d2t12 - Black Muddy River

Joined: Jul 29 2008
That sounds pretty cool

All instrumental jamming/improvising!

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Joined: Nov 21 2007
Garcia/Saunders "71"ish..

This is as shown , and is all the imformation I know about it , besides that it sounds soo nice
it kinda reminds me of a cross between Yes and Pink Floyd !! you can hear jerry`s guitar and it is plain that there is more then just Garcia/Saunders here..I`m thinking PERRO rehersals maybe,(but i`m not sure).. very spacey indeed and worth a good listen to .. as normal please no sign ups until it gets a home (pending approval)..
Enjoy !! Share the music-share the joy !!
ps; 2 cdr`s no converting needed..

Jerry Garcia and Merl Saunders
San Francisco, CA

SBD MR > R > R > CD > EAC > WAV (shntool confirms no sbes) > FLAC>CDR

SBD MR (Peter Abrams) > R (Peter Kafer) > R (Will Boswell) > CD
Transferred by Matt Smith---- info: MR@7 1/2 ips>R@7 1/2 ips>R@ 7 1/2 ips>Apogee Mini ME 24/96>Apogee Mini DAC(monitoring)>Wavelab 5.0(dithered to 20/44)>CD

Huge thanks to Will Boswell for the source and to Matt Smith for blessing us with a copy.

Disc 1
01 save mother earth jam > funk space jam > 13:29
02 save mother earth jam continued > 14:40 (reel splice at 2:37)
03 jam 15:22

Disc 2
01 jam > 8:48 (drop out at 5:23-:26)
02 jam > 24:04
03 jam 5:42 // (cuts at 4:42)


all instrumental show with lots of spacey improvisation

wonderful sound and jamming!!!

As Matt puts it:
"It's clearly a Matrix tape and you can tell from the separation of the instruments
and it has the same type of mix of all other Matrix reels I've done. Since Garcia
would show up at the 'Thursday night Jam' numerous times, this could be from
late 1970 but since Merle is here it's most likely early, mid '71. There is static in the left channel but goes away and the overall dynamics are fantastic!! It's like
you're sitting right in front of them!! As an aside Kafer's reels were destroyed in
his parent's attic so Will's stuff is most likely the best and cleanest surviving
analog copies.

marye's picture
Joined: May 26 2007
Basement Tapes #1 Vine

is here. So sorry about your cousin, 77.

Joined: Jul 29 2008
Jerry Solo Acoustic vine is both shows

You're right about the quality, though.

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gdhead77's picture
Joined: Jul 13 2007
4/10/82 jerry show

Just checked the other vine... that is the late show and so-so quality per post. Mine is the EARLY show and good sbd quality so marye please leave as is but add note to post that the jerry solo show is 4/10/82 early show.

Thanks, Marty

Joined: Jul 29 2008
Yeah, I noticed the Acoustic Jerry set...

...was the one with its own vine, but the Acoustic Jerry vine keeps disappearing every few viners so maybe the show on *this* vine would make it to me. One may sound better than the other, who knows?

Cheers, and sorry to hear about your cousin, Marty.

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gdhead77's picture
Joined: Jul 13 2007
Oops Sorry - marye please edit

the jerry show is 4-10-82... which after this post I saw is its own vine.

marye can decide if she wants to leave this on/off this one...

thanks for the well wishes birdsong..


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Joined: Jul 7 2008
What's the date on the Jerry Cap theatre show?

Sorry about your cousin Marty. Cancer is a tough battle and sometimes to lose that battle is the greatest victory. Peace.

"Circle songs and sands of time, and seasons will end in tumbled rhyme,
and little change, the wind and rain."


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