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New Vines 2009

With collaboration from various kind folks in the Dead.net vining community, our own erickat prepared this handy guide explaining how vining works hereabouts. Many thanks to all involved, and vine on! --

Dead.Net Vines - What It Is & How It Works

(We're changing some things for 2009)

BACKGROUND: The concept of a "vine" is music sharing through conventional means (e.g. mailing cd's or dvd's) with the sign-up list being on-line. The basic idea is that someone starts (seeds) a vine, made up of one or multiple shows,and sends it via mail to the first person who signs up. That person makes a copy for themselves and sends the ORIGINAL media on to the next person on the list. As more people sign up, it continues to grow and grow - hence the name "vine".

MINIMUM REQUIREMENTS: Make sure you can deal with the media format. Many vines are in audio CD format, so the minimum basic requirement is that you are knowledgeable and capable of copying audio CD's. Other vines are in DVD format, which means you at least need the capability of reading a DVD. Yet others are in SHN or FLAC format- if you sign up for one of these, you need to know how to deal with those formats. Help is readily available - just ask. Here are some helpful links:

Flac Format

SHN Format

DEFINITIONS:

VINE: An original physical package of music or video (cd's/dvd's) being passed from person to person

VINEYARD: A topic within Dead.net (where all the vine forums exist) SEEDER: A person who initiates a vine (creates the original "seed" media) PM: Short for "Private Message" - communication provided through dead.net SIGNUP LIST: The list of people who sign up to receive the package. Note - Be careful to get the most up to date version - you may have to go back a few pages from the end to find it.

POSTING: The act of leaving a message in a forum (very important) Post to sign-up Post when a vine arrives ; Post after a vine is sent.

New VINE Process (changes for 2009):

1. Check the Vinedex (updated from time to time, but may be out of date) to make sure it hasn't already been vined. Note - not everything is fair game for vining. Check the following before vining anything:

a) The Vinedex

b) Dicks Picks

c) Other Live Albums

d) Download Series

If it's not in those places, it is generally fair game. No copyrighted material, please Taper friendly bands only. (Marye may veto a particular vine for copyright or similar reasons.)

2. Post your vine info here (without signup list) - maybe include a note reminding people not to sign-up until it has its own topic.

3. Marye creates a forum topic with the vine info & a blank sign-up list and posts a link in the new vines area (e.g. VINE XXXX Lives HERE - with a link)

4. Then people go to that vine & start signing up NOTE - to make it easier on Marye, you could also PM her with the info. No early sign-ups - Any sign-ups before the vine has its own home will be ignored

SIGNING UP FOR A VINE:

1. Find a VINE you want to sign-up for.

2. Locate the most recent and most complete LIST (towards the end of the vine)

3. Copy the list & paste it into a new message, adding your username at the bottom.

4. Post the message & PM the person directly before you with your name & mailing address. Note the fact that you signed up for this vine (a spreadsheet is a good idea) (it can take a long time between when you sign up and when it arrives, so you really need to track what you're on the hook for & when to expect it- it's a responsibility)

5. Check your PM inbox and the vines you've signed up for periodically, so you know if someone is looking for you AND so you know when to expect each vine's arrival. Remember, if someone posts that they sent it to you & that's the last we know... it will look like you were the one that dropped the ball. If you don't receive a vine when you thought it was coming, then Post

6. When the vine arrives, post to dead.net (on the appropriate vine) that you received it.

7. Take care of the media - don't scratch 'em or crack 'em or put your fingerprints all over them - clean media means a longer lived vine

8. Make a copy for yourself & mail the ORIGINALS to the next person on the list.(If the person directly behind you on the list hasn't sent you their address, PM them. If no response after 3 or 4 days, PM the next in line - but post to the vine so people know)

9. Please make sure to properly package and address the media before mailing it. We have had some unfortunate losses, due to bad addresses, packages falling apart and just plain lost in the mail. Padded envelopes are cheap - and make sure they're securely taped & properly addressed.

10. AFTER you mail it, post on dead.net (on the appropriate vine) that you have sent it to the next person on the list. It is your responsibility to remember what you sign up for and be anticipating its arrival. Post messages to the vine upon receipt and again, after you have sent it on.

TROUBLESHOOTING:

1. If you did not receive a PM or email from the person who is next on the list, PM them. If no response, then PM the following person for an address and send it to them, if they respond. If they don't, PM the next person - but in any case, make a posting on Dead.Net (on the appropriate vine) about what you're doing. This is very important. It's the only way we know what's going on.

2. If you were expecting a vine and did not receive it - PM the person who was going to send it to you. In any event, post to Dead.Net (on the appropriate vine) with the circumstances, so everyone knows what is going on. It can't be overstated how important POSTING is - just knowing what is going on will prevent speculation, accusations & hard feelings.

CAVEAT EMPTOR As a friend of mine always says ... "don't sweat the small stuff" - "and by the way - it's all small stuff."

Life happens - car accidents, arrests, people get sick - people abscond - but you can't get overly upset about any of it, especially when it's all free. Sometimes vines disappear - and many times, they are revived or re-seeded by kind folk. This is the most unrestrictive & trusting vine community I know of - and the reason we emphasize posting is so we can keep the music flowing - not to accuse or condemn. If we know a vine is lost, then someone can re-seed and keep the music going. Nobody should get upset or make personal attacks over what happens here. In the past, we've had all sorts of reasons why people just disappear - and when they came back, we were overjoyed that they did. Sometimes, if a person is known to be unreliable, their name will be removed from the vine lists - but that's a rare occurrence.

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Cole Field House 3/7/81

Note - this will be a small 3 cd audio vine - an official MOTB (Mouth Of The Beast) Release. Please wait until it has a home before signing up. Thanks

MotB Release: #0008/16bit
Release Date: February 5th 2007
Band: Grateful Dead
Date: March 7, 1981
Venue: Cole Field House
Location: College Park, Md.

Source: Audience FOB Recording
Media: Maxell UD-XLII 90 min.
Lineage: Nakamichi CM700's > Sony TC-D5M > MAC
Transfer: MAC > Nakamichi DR-1 > Grace Design Lunatec V3 > S/pdif > WaveLAB 5.0 > wav
Taped by: B. Glassberg
Transfer by: A. Egert
Mastering by: C. Ladner

DISC I - SET I
01 crowd/tuning
02 Alabama Getaway >
03 Greatest Story
04 Dire Wolf
05 Me And My Uncle >
06 Big River
07 Candyman
08 C.C. Rider
09 Jack-A-Roe
10 Passenger

DISC II - Set I (cont'd)
01 Bird Song >
02 Looks Like Rain >
03 Deal
Set II
04 crowd
05 Aiko Aiko >
06 Lost Sailor >
07 Saint of Circumstance >
08 Jam >
09 Rhythm Devils >

DISC III - Set II (cont'd)
01 Jam >
02 Truckin'>
03 Black Peter >
04 Around & Around >
05 Johnny B. Goode
Encore:
06 One More Saturday Night

Mastering Notes:
Tape flip in d2t02 - Deal (03:15-03:22) cross fade patched from Jim Wise FOB-Sennheiser recording,
Mastering with Adobe Audition 2.0 (Waves Z-Noise (learn mode on 5 s blank tape patch, threshold 3/reduction 23) & Izotope
Patch Source:
Lineage: AUD (Senn 421 mics > SonyD5 > MC > CD > ? > EAC > SHN)
Taper: J. Wise

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Please note number 2 for the new process

These instructions are at the top of each page in this topic

New VINE Process (changes for 2009):

2. Post your vine info here (without signup list) - maybe include a note reminding people not to sign-up until it has its own topic.

No early sign-ups - Any sign-ups before the vine has its own home will be ignored

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Kezar Stadium 5/26/73

Since I am relatively new around here and have extensively sampled the wares, I thought it was time to seed my first vine. I was lucky enough to receive this show as a gift from Oroboros, so THANK YOU Tim!!!! I know that we all discuss peak years and '73 is certainly one of those years, and 5/26 certainly was one of those magical shows. The band is tight and the sound is crisp. This is a Miller remaster--he is the king!!

Grateful Dead - May 23, 1973
Kezar Stadium - San Francisco, CA

Recording Info:
SBD -> Master Reel -> PCM -> Dat

Transfer Info:
Dat -> CD -> Samplitude Professional v9.02 -> FLAC
(4 Discs Audio / 2 Discs FLAC)

All Transfers and Mastering By Charlie Miller
charliemiller87@earthlink.net
March 20, 2007

Patch Info:
Sony Stereo Mic -> Cassette Master (Sony TC-124) supplies:
Row Jimmy (3:31 - 4:51)
China Cat Sunflower (3:15 - 3:45)
The Other One (9:31 - 9:53)

Notes:
-- All disc changes are seamless
-- Patch source recorded by Gene Taback and supplied by David Minches
-- Patch source pitch corrected - it's better, but not perfect
-- Numerous background noises removed in SBD, but some still remain

Set 1
d1t01 - The Promised Land
d1t02 - Deal
d1t03 - Jack Straw
d1t04 - Tennessee Jed
d1t05 - The Race Is On
d1t06 - Sugaree
d1t07 - Mexicali Blues
d1t08 - Row Jimmy
d1t09 - Looks Like Rain
d1t10 - They Love Each Other
d2t01 - Playing In The Band

Set 2:
d2t02 - Tuning
d2t03 - Here Comes Sunshine
d2t04 - El Paso
d2t05 - Loser
d2t06 - Beat It On Down The Line
d2t07 - You Ain't Woman Enough
d2t08 - Box Of Rain
d2t09 - China Cat Sunflower ->
d2t10 - I Know You Rider
d2t11 - Big River
d3t01 - Bertha
d3t02 - Around And Around

Set 3:
d3t03 - Mississippi Half-Step Uptown Toodeloo
d3t04 - Me And My Uncle
d4t01 - He's Gone ->
d4t02 - Truckin' ->
d4t03 - The Other One ->
d4t04 - Eyes Of The World ->
d4t05 - China Doll
d4t06 - Sugar Magnolia

Encore:
d4t07 - Casey Jones

First one to PM me your address and you will be the first to get your hands on this one!

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Jorairatar, GD 18492
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Joined: Jun 5 2007
May 74 vine details

Grateful Dead -- University of Nevada -- Reno, NV
May 12, 1974

Source: MSR>C>DAT>CDRs>EAC>SHN

Disk 1:

1. Promised Land
2. Sugaree
3. Mexicali
4. Tennessee Jed
5. Jack Straw
6. Brown Eyed Women
7. BIODTL
8. China ->
9. Rider

Disk 2:

1. El Paso
2. US Blues
3. GSET
4. Must Have Been the Roses
5. Bobby McGee
6. Deal
7. Around And Around
8. Mississippi 1/2 Step

Disk 3:

1. Truckin' ->
2. Nobody's Fault Jam ->
3. The Other One ->
4. Mind Left Body Jam ->
5. Row Jimmy
6. Big River
7. Ship Of Fools
8. Sugar Magnolia

Notes: Previously Uncirculated :) I have purposely failed to include set designations. DeadBase IX listed Set 2 as starting with China Cat. My ears, however, don't hear BIODTL closing down set 1. The post-song tuning after BIODTL doesn't suggest to me the close of a set (why tune up if you're leaving the stage?). Similarly, the tuning after Around and Around doesn't suggest to me that this is the end of the second set (as listed in DB IX) either . . .

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Grateful Dead 5/14/74
Adams Field House Univ. of Montana
Missoula, MT MSR>cassette>DAT>CD-R>TAE>shn

Note: There is a splice in China Doll

Disc 1
1st Set
1. Bertha
2. Me & My Uncle
3. Loser
4. Black Throated Wind
5. Scarlet Begonias>
6. IMHBTR
7. Jack Straw
8. Tennessee Jed
9. Mexicali Blues
10. Deal
11. Big River
12. Brown Eyed Women

Disc 2
1. Playing In The Band
2nd Set
2. US Blues
3. El Paso
4. Row Jimmy

Disc 3
1. WRS Prelude>
2. WRS Part 1>
3. Let It Grow>
4. Dark Star>
5. China //Doll
6. Promised Land
7. NFA>
8. GDTRFB
Encore
9. OMSN

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Grateful Dead
May 17, 1974
Vancouver, BC

6/26/00, updated source: A. Gustin and J. Ashley report this could be the
SBD cass master>1 cass> DAT>1 cass gen> DAT version noted on Tiedrich's
site (had been marked mSR>DAT>CDR>TAE>SHN)

Enjoy!
Andy Gustin
gustin@leland.stanford.edu

disc 1
1. Promised
2. Deal
3. Race is On
4. Ramble On Rose
5. Jack Straw
6. Dire Wolf
7. BIODTL
8. Loose Lucy
9. Big River
10. Roses
11. Mexicali Blues
12. Row Jimmy

disc 2
1. Playin
-set 2-
2. US Blues
3. Me & My Uncle
4. Ship of Fools
5. Money Money
6. China > Rider
7. Greatest
8. Sugaree

disc 3
1. Truckin>
2. Nobody's Fault>
3. Eyes>
4. /China Doll>
5. Sugar Magnolia

f: 9-11-73
6. Half Step
7. Playin

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**Remastered** by thir13en Productions

Grateful Dead
1974-05-19
Memorial Coliseum
Portland, Oregon

Bodhi asked me to do this one, he felt it was a good candidate for a remaster. Not really being much of a fan, I was hesitant to even go down this path. But one, it would be an understatement to say he's been very open and supportive of me sharing my stuff here, and B it would give me chance to give GD an honest chance, which I've never really done.

Well...it sounds really nice! lol

Even though I've got an incredibly wide scope of musical tastes, these guys (and this style) just doesn't seem to have a place in there. But it certainly doesn't mean I couldn't give it some proper remastering love either. You can decide that for yourselves. If it was just a gift to Bohdi, then that's just fine with me too.

Source was decent, but certainly showed some of it's age. I did some tweaks to the spectrum (Waves REQ 4-band), light compression (Waves R-Comp), slight warmth enhancement to the low-end (BBE2 lo-contour) and digitally maximized with the Waves L3 Multimaximizer.

Explore or ignore.

Peace,

M

Disc 1
1. //Half-Step
2. Mexicali Blues
3. Big RR Blues
4. BTW
5. Scarlet Begonias
6. BIODTL
7. T Jed
8. Bobby McGee
9. Sugaree
10.Jack Straw
11.IMHBTR
12.El Paso
13.Loose Lucy

Disc 2
1. Money MOney
2. China Cat Sunflower
3. I Know You Rider
4. Promised Land
5. Bertha
6. GSET
7. Ship of Fools
8. WRS Prelude
9. Part 1
10.Let It Grow
11.Wharf Rat

Disc 3
1. Big River
2. Peggy O
3. Truckin'
4. Jam
5. Mind Left Body Jam
6. NFA
7. GDTRFB
8. OMSN
9. US Blues

PRE-13 SOURCE INFO
-----------------------------------

Master Soundboard Reel > PCM > DAT> CDR

many copies in circulation are missing Tennessee Jed, Me & Bobby McGee,
Sugaree, Jack Straw, IMHBTR, El Paso and Ship of Fools. This transcription is complete.

EAC'ed / SHN'ed by Scott Clugston
12/24/01

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GRATEFUL DEAD

Edmundson Pavilion, University of Washington, Seattle, WA

5/21/74

SBD (shnid=2597) patched with AUD (shnid=10150)

DISC ONE 64:47

set one-a:

01 Me And My Uncle 3:15

02 Brown Eyed Women 5:54

03 Beat It On Down The Line 4:02

04 Deal 5:06

05 Mexicali Blues 4:31

06 It Must've Been The Roses 6:27

07 The Race Is On 3:13

08 Scarlet Begonias 6:36

09 El Paso 5:26

10 Row Jimmy 9:13

11 Money Money 5:01

12 Ship Of Fools 6:02 1/

total time: 56:14

DISC TWO 69:10

set one-end:

01 Weather Report Suite Prelude > 1:08

02 Weather Report Suite Part One > 5:03

03 Let It Grow > 10:50

04 China Doll 5:43

set two-a:

05 Playin' In The Band 46:27

total time: 69:16

DISC THREE 62:43

set two-end:

01 U.S. Blues 6:55

02 Big River 4:53 2/

03 Stella Blue (aud) 8:23 3/

04 Around And Around (aud) 5:10 3/

05 Eyes Of The World > 13:49 4/

06 Wharf Rat > 9:43

07 Sugar Magnolia 9:47

encore:

08 /Johnny B. Goode 4:02

total time: 61:23

SBD SOurce (shnid=2597)

MSR>C>Dats>CD>EAC>SHN>.WAV>Samplitude2496: retracked, normalized (added +1.8 dB) > SHN, CD. Playin' has no Cassette gen, and is patched w/26 sec of AUD at reel flip.

AUD Patch source (shnid=10150)

AudMC > WAV > SHN

Sony ECM18N mics > Sony 152SD deck, recorded by Pat Lee, hand held mics in right balcony

Patches SHN > WAV > CE Pro (patching) > sector boundary correction (CE Pro & shntool v1.2.3) > SHN V3 encoding (shntool) by Charles Wier

SBEs fixed manually and with shntool, as the crowd is cut between most songs on both the SBD and AUD master. Transitions are smooth, but not continual due to missing crowd. Minor cut at beginning of JBG also cut on AUD and could not be patched.

1/ patch beginning ~0:13.8 w/ aud; 0:12.6 of silence removed from end

2/ trim silence from end

3/ patch w/ aud; -2 dB to R ch & trim/fade crowd

4/ 10 dB boost to R ch fadein for 1st 5 secs (barely detectable)

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Spanish Jam

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Jorairatar, GD 18492
Spain
Joined: Jun 5 2007
May 74 vine

12th May 74 sbd sachs
14th may 74 sbd Murphy
17th may 74 sbd Gustin
19th May 74 Sbd
21st may 74 Sbd Weir

Shn/flac files on 2 dvd's

full details on another message

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Boise vine

is here.

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Potosi, MO 63664
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37° 56' 6.576" N, 90° 47' 18.9996" W
Joined: Jul 8 2007
Boise, ID 9/2/83 Vine

Grateful Dead
9/2/83
Boise Pavilion - Boise State University – Boise, ID
SBD

“Citizens of Boise submit or be conquered.” - Phil

Disc 1
Set 1

1. Wang Dang Doodle [6:20] >
2. Jack Straw [5:23] ;
3. They Love Each Other [7:38] ;
4. Mama Tried [2:43] >
5. Big River [6:00] ;
6. Brown Eyed Women [5:28] ;
7. New Minglewood Blues [7:39] ;
8. Big Railroad Blues [7:12] ;
9. Looks Like Rain [10:26] >
10. Deal [9:27]

Disc 2
Set 2

1. Help On The Way [3:00] >
2. Slipknot! [8:10] >
3. Franklin's Tower [14:06]
4. Estimated Prophet [13:02] >
5. Eyes Of The World [12:23] > Jam (1) [3:11] >

Disc 3

1. Jam (2) ->
2. Drums >
3. Space [10:06] >
4. Throwing Stones [7:54] >
5. Goin' Down The Road Feeling Bad[7:54] >
6. Black Peter [8:17] >
7. Sugar Magnolia [8:36]

Encore

8. Baby Blue [7:02]

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40° 45' 48.2832" N, 73° 35' 12.4188" W
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Seeders

maybe we should include a little reminder in the proposed vine about not signing up until vine has its own topic, at least until the new system is more settled.

Just a little suggestion-- I don't want to piss off any of the seeders--I love you all!!!

"Let there be songs to fill the air."

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40° 45' 21.7944" N, 73° 59' 13.0236" W
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gdhead77

to make it easier on Marye, so she doesn't have to search through all the postings here, we are not signing up for vines until they have their own forum topics

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Not sure what happened - brents last show video

Marye,

Looks like vine got moved without posting the list (which was me). I sent a PM to Lopezz as well... Hmmmm I thought the list gets pushed over to the real vine listing when you move it? am I wrong? just want to make sure I do it right next time...

Marty

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