Grateful Dead

New Vines 2009

With collaboration from various kind folks in the vining community, our own erickat prepared this handy guide explaining how vining works hereabouts. Many thanks to all involved, and vine on! --

Dead.Net Vines - What It Is & How It Works

(We're changing some things for 2009)

BACKGROUND: The concept of a "vine" is music sharing through conventional means (e.g. mailing cd's or dvd's) with the sign-up list being on-line. The basic idea is that someone starts (seeds) a vine, made up of one or multiple shows,and sends it via mail to the first person who signs up. That person makes a copy for themselves and sends the ORIGINAL media on to the next person on the list. As more people sign up, it continues to grow and grow - hence the name "vine".

MINIMUM REQUIREMENTS: Make sure you can deal with the media format. Many vines are in audio CD format, so the minimum basic requirement is that you are knowledgeable and capable of copying audio CD's. Other vines are in DVD format, which means you at least need the capability of reading a DVD. Yet others are in SHN or FLAC format- if you sign up for one of these, you need to know how to deal with those formats. Help is readily available - just ask. Here are some helpful links:

Flac Format

SHN Format


VINE: An original physical package of music or video (cd's/dvd's) being passed from person to person

VINEYARD: A topic within (where all the vine forums exist) SEEDER: A person who initiates a vine (creates the original "seed" media) PM: Short for "Private Message" - communication provided through SIGNUP LIST: The list of people who sign up to receive the package. Note - Be careful to get the most up to date version - you may have to go back a few pages from the end to find it.

POSTING: The act of leaving a message in a forum (very important) Post to sign-up Post when a vine arrives ; Post after a vine is sent.

New VINE Process (changes for 2009):

1. Check the Vinedex (updated from time to time, but may be out of date) to make sure it hasn't already been vined. Note - not everything is fair game for vining. Check the following before vining anything:

a) The Vinedex

b) Dicks Picks

c) Other Live Albums

d) Download Series

If it's not in those places, it is generally fair game. No copyrighted material, please Taper friendly bands only. (Marye may veto a particular vine for copyright or similar reasons.)

2. Post your vine info here (without signup list) - maybe include a note reminding people not to sign-up until it has its own topic.

3. Marye creates a forum topic with the vine info & a blank sign-up list and posts a link in the new vines area (e.g. VINE XXXX Lives HERE - with a link)

4. Then people go to that vine & start signing up NOTE - to make it easier on Marye, you could also PM her with the info. No early sign-ups - Any sign-ups before the vine has its own home will be ignored


1. Find a VINE you want to sign-up for.

2. Locate the most recent and most complete LIST (towards the end of the vine)

3. Copy the list & paste it into a new message, adding your username at the bottom.

4. Post the message & PM the person directly before you with your name & mailing address. Note the fact that you signed up for this vine (a spreadsheet is a good idea) (it can take a long time between when you sign up and when it arrives, so you really need to track what you're on the hook for & when to expect it- it's a responsibility)

5. Check your PM inbox and the vines you've signed up for periodically, so you know if someone is looking for you AND so you know when to expect each vine's arrival. Remember, if someone posts that they sent it to you & that's the last we know... it will look like you were the one that dropped the ball. If you don't receive a vine when you thought it was coming, then Post

6. When the vine arrives, post to (on the appropriate vine) that you received it.

7. Take care of the media - don't scratch 'em or crack 'em or put your fingerprints all over them - clean media means a longer lived vine

8. Make a copy for yourself & mail the ORIGINALS to the next person on the list.(If the person directly behind you on the list hasn't sent you their address, PM them. If no response after 3 or 4 days, PM the next in line - but post to the vine so people know)

9. Please make sure to properly package and address the media before mailing it. We have had some unfortunate losses, due to bad addresses, packages falling apart and just plain lost in the mail. Padded envelopes are cheap - and make sure they're securely taped & properly addressed.

10. AFTER you mail it, post on (on the appropriate vine) that you have sent it to the next person on the list. It is your responsibility to remember what you sign up for and be anticipating its arrival. Post messages to the vine upon receipt and again, after you have sent it on.


1. If you did not receive a PM or email from the person who is next on the list, PM them. If no response, then PM the following person for an address and send it to them, if they respond. If they don't, PM the next person - but in any case, make a posting on Dead.Net (on the appropriate vine) about what you're doing. This is very important. It's the only way we know what's going on.

2. If you were expecting a vine and did not receive it - PM the person who was going to send it to you. In any event, post to Dead.Net (on the appropriate vine) with the circumstances, so everyone knows what is going on. It can't be overstated how important POSTING is - just knowing what is going on will prevent speculation, accusations & hard feelings.

CAVEAT EMPTOR As a friend of mine always says ... "don't sweat the small stuff" - "and by the way - it's all small stuff."

Life happens - car accidents, arrests, people get sick - people abscond - but you can't get overly upset about any of it, especially when it's all free. Sometimes vines disappear - and many times, they are revived or re-seeded by kind folk. This is the most unrestrictive & trusting vine community I know of - and the reason we emphasize posting is so we can keep the music flowing - not to accuse or condemn. If we know a vine is lost, then someone can re-seed and keep the music going. Nobody should get upset or make personal attacks over what happens here. In the past, we've had all sorts of reasons why people just disappear - and when they came back, we were overjoyed that they did. Sometimes, if a person is known to be unreliable, their name will be removed from the vine lists - but that's a rare occurrence.


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marye's picture
Joined: May 26 2007
I must report

that while Stuman's idea of putting the explanatory text in the Vineyard header is an excellent one, I tried and the result was not pretty. It didn't appear anywhere useful, like on the Vineyard page, and where it did appear, on the Forums page, it didn't exactly fit.

So I did the next best thing. I put a line in the header steering new viners here. Hope it helps.

marye's picture
Joined: May 26 2007
I'll see

if anyone answers Trevor's request on other shows, and just go ahead and start the vine tomorrow if not. Thanks!

marye's picture
Joined: May 26 2007
The Ark Vine

is here.

That Nice Hippy Guy's picture
Joined: Jul 8 2007
Hampton 3/24/87 Vine

Grateful Dead - March 24, 1987
Hampton Coliseum - Hampton, VA

Recording Info:
Set 1: SBD -> Master Cassette -> Cassette
Set 2: SBD -> Master Cassette -> Dat (44.1k)

Set 1:
d1t01 - Tuning
d1t02 - Jack Straw
d1t03 - Candyman
d1t04 - New Minglewood Blues
d1t05 - Loser
d1t06 - Mama Tried ->
d1t07 - Mexicali Blues
d1t08 - Ramble On Rose
d1t09 - Let It Grow

Set 2:
d2t01 - Gimme Some Lovin' ->
d2t02 - Black Muddy River ->
d2t03 - Playing In The Band ->
d2t04 - Terrapin Station ->
d2t05 - Drums ->
d2t06 - Space ->
d2t07 - Dear Mr. Fantasy ->
d2t08 - Wharf Rat ->
d2t09 - Not Fade Away

d2t10 - Brokedown Palace

Let me know if anyone has the other 2 shows of this run.

"You know the one thing we need is a left handed monkey wrench....."

erickat's picture
Joined: Feb 20 2008
The Ark - 4/21,22,23/69

(FLAC format on a DVD +R)

Grateful Dead - April 21, 1969 The Ark - Boston, MA
Set 1:
d1t01 - Introduction
d1t02 - Hard To Handle
d1t03 - Morning Dew
d1t04 - Cryptical Envelopment ->
d1t05 - Drums ->
d1t06 - The Other One ->
d1t07 - Cryptical Envelopment ->
d1t08 - Sittin' On Top Of The World
d1t09 - Alligator ->
d1t10 - Drums ->
d1t11 - Jam ->
d1t12 - Doin' That Rag
Set 2:
d2t01 - Foxy Lady Jam
d2t02 - Dark Star ->
d2t03 - St. Stephen ->
d2t04 - The Eleven ->
d2t05 - Turn On Your Lovelight
d3t01 - Tuning
d3t02 - Viola Lee Blues ->
d3t03 - Feedback

Grateful Dead - April 22, 1969 The Ark - Boston, MA
Set 1:
d1t01 - Sittin' On Top Of The World
d1t02 - Morning Dew
d1t03 - Beat It On Down The Line ->
d1t04 - Good Morning Little Schoolgirl
d1t05 - Doin' That Rag
d1t06 - Cryptical Envelopment ->
d1t07 - Drums ->
d1t08 - The Other One ->
d1t09 - Cryptical Envelopment ->
d1t10 - Death Don't Have No Mercy
Set 2:
d1t11 - Monitor Levels
d1t12 - Dupree's Diamond Blues ->
d1t13 - Mountains Of The Moon ->
d2t01 - Jam ->
d2t02 - Dark Star ->
d2t03 - St. Stephen ->
d2t04 - The Eleven ->
d2t05 - Turn On Your Lovelight

Grateful Dead - April 23, 1969 The Ark - Boston, MA
Set 1:
d1t01 - Introduction
d1t02 - He Was A Friend Of Mine
d1t03 - Dark Star ->
d1t04 - St. Stephen ->
d1t05 - It's A Sin ->
d1t06 - St. Stephen ->
d1t07 - Cryptical Envelopment ->
d1t08 - Drums ->
d1t09 - The Other One ->
d1t10 - Cryptical Envelopment ->
d1t11 - Sittin' On Top Of The World ->
d1t12 - Turn On Your Lovelight
Set 2:
d2t01 - Morning Dew
d2t02 - Hard To Handle
d2t03 - Doin' That Rag
d2t04 - Alligator ->
d2t05 - Drums ->
d2t06 - Jam ->
d2t07 - The Eleven ->
d2t08 - Caution (Do Not Stop On Tracks) ->
d2t09 - Feedback ->
d2t10 - And We Bid You Good Night
d3t01 - Not Fade Away tease
d3t02 - It's All Over Now, Baby Blue

erickat's picture
Joined: Feb 20 2008
Also thinking of...

12/6/73 as a small audio vine - mainly for the here comes sunshine. Here's what the liner notes say... "First set highlights include TLEO, Row Jimmy, GSET and China Cat > Rider. The Here Comes Sunshine times almost 16 minutes, is the longest known on circulating tape and probably the best. The Dark Star is the third longest known at 43:28, and one of the all time best. It is the
fraternal twin of 11/11/73".

erickat's picture
Joined: Feb 20 2008
I think the answer is no .... but i figured i'd check

Has 4/21 - 22 - 23/69 (The Ark - Boston) been vined or released commercially? I didn't see it, but my search may not have been exhaustive.

If it hasn't, then that will be my next vine.

No rush

Hal R's picture
Joined: Jun 13 2007
pk - that is hilarious

I am going to be having that image in mind all day.

If the doors of perception were cleansed, everything would appear to man as it is, infinite.
William Blake

pkpotter's picture
Joined: Jun 7 2007
What a sound system, blew

What a sound system, blew the beard right off Jerry's face. ;))

Joined: Jun 4 2007
The wall of sound totally dwarfed

every other sound system I saw that summer of '74. CSNY & ABB toured that summer and neither was in the same auditory ball park, or even time zone. The clarity and sheer movement of the air by Phil's bombs were enough to push you backward in your seat.
Sitting back in the audience, it was like putting some little toy 'guys' in front of the TV set. It was visually overwhelming, but sonically it really kicked some serious ass.
Waaaaayyyyyy, ahead of it's time. Just like the band ;o}

The Truth is realized in an instant, the act is practiced step by step.


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