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ka.swan (not verified)
I ain't got secrets

The creepos bothering to spy on me already know there 's no money to be made with none of it,ha,ha,ha!!!

buddy plant's picture
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Uh yup...

... I don't use my real name here, Rupert Rumpelstiltskin is much too hard for the other users here.

marye's picture
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Joined: May 26 2007
meanwhile

as badger suggests, if this is a problem for you, take your real name out of your profile.

marye's picture
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okay, I'll pass this on

However, just as it is wise to send emails in the sure knowledge that the NSA is capturing every keystroke to peruse at its leisure, and to speak on the phone as if it were bugged (and cell phones have even less legal protection than land lines), it is equally wise to assume that anything you post anywhere on the net will be trackable to your real self by someone who's determined to do so. Notwithstanding any privacy policy under the sun, there is nothing to physically prevent anyone in the known universe from copying and pasting anything on here wherever they like. For good or ill, that's just how the net works. (And that, returning to the issue that spawned this topic, is why it's good to make sure you're the only one using your account.)

Meanwhile, though, I will pass this on to see if the higher ups can address the ambiguity here, as indeed it is not just other users who can read your profile.

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Privacy Compromised

1 - Check the link to Privacy Policy at the bottom of any site page:

"Profiles. We may provide functionality on the Site that allows you to create a “profile page” (your “Profile”) and post certain information and materials on your Profile. Please note that your Profile, including all PII available in your Profile, may be accessible to other users. We urge you to exercise discretion and caution when deciding to disclose PII about you, or any other information, in your Profile. WE ARE NOT RESPONSIBLE FOR THE USE BY OTHERS OF ANY PII YOU DISCLOSE IN YOUR PROFILE."

It is reasonable to conclude that this information will be available to other users and indeed it is if they know and search a user name or a link to user profile for those users logged onto the site. One cannot search for other users and access profile information on the site by using a full name provided by the user. However, a google search on a name reveals if a person is registered on this site and provides a link to their profile.

I know of no other web site for which I am registered where a google search on my name reveals that I am a registered user of that web site.

2 - From the Terms of Service on the page where you register for this site:

"The content of this field is kept private and will not be shown publicly."

There is no reference to the specific field but it is reasonable to conclude that this would include the Full Name field as it is Personally Identifiable Information as defined in the Privacy Policy. Which field is this actually refering to?

It should also be noted that the Full Name field is highlighted in yellow and it is therefore reasonable to conclude that it is a required field for registration as is your e-mail address and password. I do recognize that the Full Name is not marked by an asterisk nevertheless a yellow highlighting indicates that this information is being solicited to me as opposed to non-highlighted fields.

3 - Full User List.

Anyone can get a link to a full listing of registered users (usernames) containing links to their profiles from a Google search. I will not provide the search terms or link here. This is list consists of >1,800 pages, is a link to Dead.net and available to anyone.

4 - Conclusion

Dead.net (Warner Music Group) is not doing what appears to be standard operating practice by web site operators to reasonably secure personally identifiable information in user profiles. Full names provided in user profiles should not be so be unsecure such that that a google search can pick up this information. Once again, no other sight for which I am a registered user allows such global access to user profiles.

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security

you folks had me worried for a while. But if you put your real name in your user profile then the search robots are bound to find it as the profile is accessible to anyone. If you are worried, remove your real name, but it could take Google etc a while to forget it.

Now if a search using your real name led to your Deadnet profile that did not include your real name, then that would be a serious concern, but it does not seem to be the case.

marye's picture
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Joined: May 26 2007
please point me

to the area of the user agreement where it says your profile will be kept private. To the best of my knowledge, everything you post here other than PMs is world readable. Certainly in the Very Few Rules that were in the initial TOS we warned against putting anything on this site that you would not want to read on the front page of the New York Times, which is only common sense in any Internet usage.

If, however, we are explicitly stating that your profiles are private, please point me to the statement in question. Thank you.

johnman's picture
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Joined: Dec 26 2007
yup

i too experienced this.....when googled i found a direct link to my profile. i chalked it up to the web being everywhere. no personal info in my profile that i'm worried about....but you're right, our privacy is no longer private

atcornell77's picture
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Privacy Compromised

A link to my user user profile on dead.net resulted from Googling my real name.

It appears that our privacy is being compromised by Warner Music Group against their own privacy policy.

Try it yourself. If your name is common, try adding one of your interests from your profile or Grateful Dead to the search.

I await their response to my e-mail inquiry.

marye's picture
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Joined: May 26 2007
good idea

pretty much don't post anything here you don't want the whole world to know. That's just the reality of the Internet, sad but true. So having somebody post who isn't you, that's a problem!

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