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Lady Jane Grey

She was the finest female minds of her time (century) according to Alison Weir (I suppose Bob thought highly of her as well). AKA Jane of England 1537 -1554. There is a marvelous article on Wikipedia that is a must read.

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Oroboros origin

Steve-O, I Don't know the band that you are referring to, but we both were probably familar with the ancient concept of "the end or the beginning?" or the Oroboros.

In Steven Peters book, 'The Stories Behind Every Grateful Dead Song', he wrote "Hunter would evoke yet another classic image in this vein, when he compared the unending spin of the Grateful Dead's career path to the Oroboros, a mythical dragon or serpent which was depicted as biting its own tail and which symbolized infinity or eternal recurrence."

On the old website, BlueJayWay posted a wonderful renaissance woodcut of an oroboros/serpent eating it's tail and in the center of that 'circle' was a baby with a skull or skeleton. Those images juxtipositioned to display the life-death-rebirth-mystery. I view it as an organic representaion of the wheel, which for many symbolizes the unending cycles of renewal and eternity. Anyway to make a long story short (which I am constitutionally incaplable of doing), it is a fantastic creature and archetypal concept and I have always connected it to my experiences the Dead.

The Oroboros figured prominently into one of my favorite Grateful Dead shows in 1977 on New Year's Eve at Winterland and once again at a subsequent 1978 Madison show. (See my post under Encounters for that whole story).

Also thank you "tour historian" for clearing that up about the JFK Stadium. I was wondering about that as well.
A 'ghost' stadium. Perfect, great image!
And we love to be haunted by those stories that those 'ghost' stadiums whisper and sing to us.

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OOPS!!

I'm guilty of mistaking the 2 stadiums. Hey, thanks for all the input on this subject, MUCH APPRECIATED!!!!. I was wondering where the name oroboros comes from. There is a band out of ohio called the JMilller band used to be named oroboros years ago, any connection there?

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JFK

This old (and now ghost) stadium is frequently confused with RFK which is in Washington, D.C.

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Correction

Pardon my latent dyxlexia, it was 4-12-71 (not 4-21-71) for that Pitt. Civic arena show. The older I get the more I get things reversed/backwards.
And I searched further (no pun intended) and in the Venue Capacities section (in Odds & Ends in Deadbase XI ) and it lists the John F Kennedy Stadium (capacity 90,400) in Philadelphia Pa.
Dylan and the Dead are listed as the 7-10-87 show, and then the Grateful Dead played there on 7-7-89 (with B. Hornsby and the Range opening).
It also states that was the final concert held at J.F.K. stadium.

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And then you have to add those Pitt shows to the grand total for Pa.
And on that (Pitt) note;
The Civic Arena show is listed on 4-21-71 and it is listed separately from the Pittsburgh Civic Arena (9-24-73, 4-18-78, 11-29-81, 7-2-85, 7-6-87, 6-26-88, 4-2-89, and 4-3-89). Seemed like those might be the same place. But who knows?

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mea culpa

Actually I wondered about that JFK listing (on 7-10-87 and 7-7-89). But never having ventured east, I just quoted from the Base.
I did screw up the count however.
It was 67 shows in Phillidelphia and the total count from PENNSYLVANIA was 101 shows (again Deadbase XI) .
The other shows were in;
Bethlehem 1
Burgettstown 2
Easton 1
Harrisburg 2
Lancaster 1
Hershey 1
Lewisburg 1
Meadville 1

Sorry on that prior count, and I'll leave it to you to figure out that JFK venue (?).
AND listening to DP # 36, with the Dead's sonic rumble and stratospheric soaring, I must say that they certainly loved playing the Spectrum and the Spectrum crowd loved 'em right back.
Tremendous show!!

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Check Facts

I don't want to argue the facts, but JFK is not in Pa. Civic Arena and Pittsburgh civic arena are the same place and I'm not sure they played there 9 times. I can believe the 53 at the spectrum, the Dead seemed to love playing there. But facts are facts!! Thanks for the Input.

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Steve, the Pa count is

Pa.-67 times.
The breakdown is;
The Spectrum...53,
Civic Convention Hall Aud...5,
Electric Factory...5,
JFK Stadium...2,
Temple U...1,
U of Penn. Irvine Stadium....1.
Then Pitt's count was 17.
The breakdown is; Civic Arena...1,
Pittsburgh Civic Arena....8,
THE Stanley Theatre..6,
Three Rivers Stadium..2.
And the the music played the band once in Scranton at the Catholic Youth Center, twice at the State College/Penn State U Recreation Hall , and 4 times in Upper Darby at the Tower Theatre.

That is the count thanks to Deadbase XI.

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