Dave's Picks Volume 9: Harry Adams Field House, U. of Montana 5/14/74 CD - SOLD OUT
We're kicking off Dave's Picks 2014 with a visit to the Wall Of Sound era. Dave's Picks Volume 9 features the complete show from May 14, 1974, at Adams Field House at the University of Montana in Missoula, the Grateful Dead's only appearance in the state of oro y plata. This monstrously hot show is the third official show of the Wall Of Sound, which had debuted in March 1974. Highlights run deep including the second performance of “Scarlet Begonias,” a 22+ minute “Playing In The Band” that leans heavily on the band's jazz chops, and a second set jam of “Weather Report Suite>Dark Star” that contains some of the deepest jamming of 1974, and that's saying a heck of a lot! It also features one of only a handful of versions of “Dark Star” played in 1974, a song heading toward a long hiatus, and this one digs deep into some of the wildest spaces you'll ever hear. Rockers, ballads, and jams, 5/14/74 covers all the bases, with plenty of nuances to revel in, each and every listen.
3 Disc set
Limited to 14,000 individually numbered copies
Mastered to HDCD specs by Jeffrey Norman
Digipak made of 100% recycled and PCW materials
Release Date: February 1, 2014
Harry Adams Field House, University of Montana, Missoula, MT (5/14/74)
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Dark Star: i.e. a star that can't be seen; or bright bull's eye center of consciousness that sees...but can't BE seen; that knows but can't BE known, therefore a dark star.
Crashes: i.e. comes down...from pure universal enlightenment to lowly human 3D brain-lampshade level.
Pouring Its Light Into Ashes: ashes: the human body...dust-to-dust mortality.
THUS: the so-called soul, or seer that can't be seen, i.e. Dark Star...crashes... contracts from universality to midmost mental center, where it pours its light into the ashes of mortality.
I kept meaning to mention that KISS article in the new Rolling Stone. Thanks for bringing it up, claney. Man, Gene and Paul, beyond coming off as general jerks (making nice on a public blog), really have something against the Grateful Dead. To merit that many mentions in an article about themselves is odd. I mean, what did the GD ever do to them?
Musings about Dark Star and Lovelight: Dark Star is hit-or-miss with me. I prefer the 1969-71 versions to the longer way out in space, mind-melting versions of 72-74. They lose me when they get off the riff-- I love the concise 10-19 minute versions of 1969 that stay on the basic riff. That is just me. I kind of like that 12/31/78 version for that same reason.
Lovelight a la Pigpen-- the rap sometimes goes on and on, but I love the bluesy jams that Bob and Jerry lay down behind Pigpen. I, too, imagine that being in that audience and seeing Pigpen prowling the stage, it must have been fun as anything. If video exists of Pigpen doing a full-on Lovelight, it needs to be released so all of us too young to have seen it can see it just once.
Anybody read the essay submitted by the kid who was accepted to all eight schools? Paragraph three sure sounds familiar. Send the lad a free copy of DAP 10 for a job well done and so he can understand what it is really all about.
Thanks for that BIG GD 'sampling.' Who would have thought that possible?
I really enjoyed the various observations about Dark Star's growth and perhaps stagnation as a jazz-space vehicle (along with PITB). That DS may have lost its importance due to the growth of Drums-Space was something that had not occurred to me. Those comments and observations are what the non-initiated do not get about The GD when they deride them as mere 'noodlers.' There was thought and purpose happening. Likewise, the communication which brought the music to another level just as the lack of communication lessened the intensity or journey is something only the initiated get. Seriously food for thought.
So you recommend the DS from Dicks PIcks 19?
Hear you about the sleepy Saturday… need to go out do a little yard clean up or clean up the garage… with some tunes and beer of course!
Cover story on Kiss in the new Rolling Stone. The Grateful Dead, somewhat unexpectedly, keep coming up in the interview with Gene Simmons (who is pretty close to Ted Nugent on the political spectrum - though far more intelligent than poor Ted).
Interviewer: "No one knows what 'selling out' means anymore: The Grateful Dead have an entire division at Rhino Records devoted to licensing their brand."
Gene Simmons: "They all come around to our way of doing it... Cherry Garcia, baby. The hippies lost. They really did."
Paul Stanley (on the refusal of the RR Hall of Fame to induct any members of Kiss except the original lineup): "The Red Hot Chili Peppers? Practically every member was inducted, and virtually all 175 members of the Grateful Dead."
I came across this accidentally, but I found it to be one of the most unique uses of the Dead's music I have heard. I am pretty selective on which rap I do prefer. But, listen to the skillful use of the sampling here.
I'm driving 1,300 miles Tuesday into Wednesday...leaving the snow of Northern New York behind for the Gulf Coast..... with the mrs. and son in tow. While the boy listens to his ipod, I will be starting with 11/2/84, followed by Let It Bleed, then the Harpur DiP, then Stop Making Sense, then Dap 6, then Furthur from Cooperstown last summer...the boys and girl were totally having fun on stage that day and played just an amazing second set (Casey At Bat ! Bertha>Gloria !....that should get us to the NC/SC border.
It is way more prevalent on this thread to speculate on the next pick (11 now?) then praise the current. I am kinda done with Missoula, and have been for awhile, but if 10 does prove to be a Thelma show, I expect those cd's to be played a whole lot this summer. I can't wait to hear them.
It is nice that the stone-throwing of March has given way to a more graceful conversation. In retrospect, the debate about sales figures really was not too closely related to popularity or preferences of a certain era, and claney's sample size was too small. Looking back at my touring family in the '80's, it seemed like we didn't really separate the eras. It was just Jerry and Phil and Bobby and the drummers and different years with different keys. We appreciated it all for what it was worth. The only outlier to me was Donna....the impact/contributions she had were one major thing that set those '77 shows apart, in my opinion. It is/was all good. Yeah, most '94 and '95 are tough listens, but we knew that then too; that's why I went to fewer shows and certainly doing whole tours (forget about the summer lot scene, which was sometimes nightmarish at some venues....almost Lord of the Flies stuff !!) Just like I cannot fully comprehend or appreciate what it was like at the Winterland or seeing Pigpen or even Donna and Keith, it is impossible for me to accurately portray the pure fun of Oxford or the '87 and '89 summer tours and those glorious days in Wisconsin, or the Garden run in '87, or the November '85 arenas, or the other scores of shows I saw to people who weren't there. Golden days and nights that we can now relive through the music and camaraderie, but never duplicate without time travel. Peace.
"I kinda got the impression that the boys (with the exception of Phil) really didn't want to be playing Dark Star towards the end."
Indeed, within the commercial catalogue one need look no further than DaP27 to realize that DS should not have been engaged during periods of what can be described at best as variable energy and a near complete lack of musical communication.
Conversely, the RGM reissue of DaP19 (10/73) arrived earlier this week and I'm really struck by the sheer breadth of influences manifested in this period of transition during what is arguably the band's Golden Age: Keith's jazz influence is prominent en route to a year (74) noted for this very characteristic, yet magnificent and extended versions of PITB and Eyes, as well as the phenomenally spacey sequence of DS>Mind Left Body Jam, demonstrate that they hadn't yet strayed too far from its psychedelic, hard rockin' roots./peace, kat
First, to reiterate - if 12-12-69 is the release, I say yeay!
@Seth and Star Dark -- Agreed that the Dark Star on 7-13-84 is musically so-so but historically important. But it is fun to listen to an AUD of that show and hear the joy as those first notes erupt. It's a fun Star to listen to. As for the rest of that show, I think it smokes. The Dark Star may be why it is famous, but the rest of the show is better. I dusted off my copy of this the other day and had a great time listening to it. I think people either rate the entire show too highly because of DS, or they rate it too low for the same reason.
@owlshead - I think you're right that Space partially became the new jam/weirdness vehicle that replaced Dark Star. Less structured and, dare I say, easier for the band - "let's just f-ck around for a while." BUT, I also think songs like Playin took over too (think of some of the jams around Playin, the Wheel, in the 80s and you still have some deep jamming around structured themes. There is virtually a correlation between the rise of Playin as a jamming / deep space vehicle and the cessation of Dark Star. And the transitions, oh the transitions. Listen to the entire second set of 6-21-80 to hear where Dark Star went :)
Right now though, I'm hoping people are right about that 12-11-69 bonus disc Dark Star. "Come on Dave, Give us a Break" -- "One Break, Comin' Up!"
I am not a Dark Star expert at all!! I think I am one of the few out there that is sort of so-so with Dark Star… have to really be in the mood… really think it is a better altered state sort of thing… and whiskey and beer doesn't really get me there like stuff from the golden old days…
but where i was going… was your thought that after a point Dark Star (maybe 1974) was just not as good… i just think it was a vehicle they really did not need after they incorporated the "drums & space" to a show… maybe they started to view Dark Star as a relic of a bygone day/period? Maybe not? But just a thought on the subject...
Someone posted this over at a different forum on this site, and YouTube...
Agree 100%, this is a lack-luster Star. Of course, I have a high set of standards for my Dark Stars, for better or for worse, and don't think the boys really pulled out a great version post-10/18/74. The 12/31/78 was nice for novelty, but didn't really go anywhere, and the '79 versions were snoozers (as is 7/13/84). To be fair, I don't really recall the '81 Dark Star, and will have to give it another listen. The Fall '89 versions were better, with 10/26/89 being the best one, but these still fall far short of the majesty of the '69-'73 monsters. I don't know about the rest of you, but I kinda got the impression that the boys (with the exception of Phil) really didn't want to be playing Dark Star towards the end.
I am simultaneously pleased that DaP10 will be an awesome '69 show with all the '68/'69 ragers plus a giant serving of early versions of Workingman's songs. Sounds great! Yes!
But I am also sad that it isn't 6/anything/85, 10/27/79, 4/anything/82, 6/20/87, 9/18/87, 10/anything/89, 10/20/84 (guys, I have to say: 7/13/84 is a weak night with a historically significant but musically anemic Dark Star), 9/6/80, 10/19/81, 4/23/83, 6/28/88, 10/31/90, 9/20/91, 3/28/92, 10/1/94, etc.
Only 4 a year...
Can we please have a 0-frills CD series for post-70s shows that would release concurrently w/DaP? DaP releases in Feb, May, Aug, and Nov. This series could release in Mar, June, Sept, Dec. Many 82-93 shows can fit in two discs. Maybe this series could in that format instead of three discs. Three disc shows could be reserved for the DaP series.
I don't own "Birth", "Ladies And Gentlemen", May 1977 Box, and Spring 90 Box, 3 or 4 DP, most of the post AmBeauty studio albums, and the first two RTs, but I have almost everything else. I have 40" of shelfspace occupied by my Dead 65-74 collection. I have 15.5" of 75-Brent. I have 14" of the Brent years. I have 5" of post-Brent.
It is good that I love '69 Dead, because I have 6.5" of it. I have 6' of '73, 6 of '74, 6.5 of '77, 6 of 90.
It just occurred to me that I think poorly of people who would say that post '73 Rolling Stones music was as worthy of attention as pre-73. I guess I'll just stop now and ponder this...
I like that they have the alligator wearing Pig's hat with his pony-tail sticking out the back!
kb - No offense taken! Just havin' fun...
Please don't take offense about Daves pick comment.... It's just all the talk of the latest 12/12/69 is it or is it not true stuff... If it is then just let us know. I think people just want to know..... And then let the debating begin.
With all that's missing from mid to late '70, one might assume there's an Eleven in there we've never heard or even know about!!
Ok, it's decades ago. I am a young lad. I am at the Milwaukee County Zoo, enjoying an Ice Cream with the family. We are situated in the avian area, away from the sundry poop smells, the nose and butt picking the monkeys, apes and orangutans are notorious for. We found a nice bench, and we sat where the birds fly freely above us so we can gawk and point and marvel at all the pretty birds roosting and swooping. You know, with the various calls, squawks and chirps to entertain us while we enjoy our dairy treats. Ah, I remember it so foggy well...
Well, you can probably figure out where this is headed. I ended up with an Ice Cream topping that I didn't quite need. Jimmies or peanuts maybe; poop? No thanks. Needless to say, I did not finish my ice cream that day. My dad probably told me just to scoop the poop part off, but the thought of the molecules mixing and comingling probably turned me off from that plan. We laughed a bit, and I placed it in the receptacle. Too bad, perhaps one of the monkeys could have finished it.
According to DeadBase, The Eleven was last performed June 7, 1970 at the Fillmore West. It's seems the next performance could be sometime in early May.
DAP is not rubbish. You see, 9/14/82 is the rock-and-roll era's greatest-ever date... the day a small chunk of our planet was shattered by the best concert played since just prior to the Big Bang. A day that shall live forever in the bowels of history until reemerging fully-formed and remastered through DAP.
@Zuckfun - great story!
@WTJ - That's what wives find out about us fast: we never really grow up :))))))))))))
Can someone tell me when The Eleven was last played and why did they not play it
Anymore. It really is a nice jamming song to listen to. Sorry I need a break break from
All this DAP RUBBISH....swell anothor 30+ minute love light and anothor 36 "wait a minutes"
I can't wait.... So much for my dark star from the Greek on a full moon summer night in 84
Oh well thanks for the help
Wouldn't it be interesting... a late April Fools? I betcha Dave has at least two in the can prior to every announcement. Maybe 12-12-69 and 9-14-82... the ol' switcheroo. [Big Smile!]
The Pig is outta the bag...
It shall be released
This reminds me of a story of an eighth grade field trip...When walking outside, a bird took a poop on one of the class clowns. Our gym teacher, standing next to him, looked up and said- "There is a god."
Thanks for the post of the cover art, until seeing that I kinda felt like we were combining April Fools Day and Grounghog Day. Obviously the natives (us) are restless; withdrawal is often tougher than most realize. Seeing the show listed seemed like a tease, but with the cover art that is easily to identify as a Mouse piece it seems a done deal. Don't know this show, but seems to be one that the Dead would hold back releasing with almost all of Workingmans D covered. That strategy was standard for live releases from 99.7823% of bands to protect their studio releases.
Looking forward and hoping this remaster is high quality and really has a fresh pop to it. Do feel like TPTB need to accommodate the younger fans like SpaceBro and glad to hear he's excited about this release. Fans who had their first taste of the Dead live in the 80's and 90's deserve their releases like all of us. Maybe Dave can expand on the DP's next year with 2 formats. DP 66-79 and DP 80-95 subscriptions. More work for Dave and Crew, but Dave can truly become one with the Seacoast aquatic wiildlife and more fun for all of us.
Scroll about half way down to see the picture, its awesome. Only 500 will be made, move fast if you want one.
There from the "Owsley" reels that were returned, all the way from Australia.
Please correct me if I'm wrong.
This is about what I expected, something from the returns from 69-70 or 70-71 (though that stash from Mtn. Girl sounds like it was pretty small). I do believe we'll get an 80s release next, but who can tell? I agree with some others that a long "Lovelight" sometimes gets tedious for me, although I'm sure that seeing one live with Pig strutting around the stage would have been sweet. Nonetheless, I'm sure this show will be hot! love the early versions of Workingman's material and the raw energy of this era. Can't wait to find out about the bonus disc--bring on the seaside chat!
hahaha. I'm partial to poop jokes.
P.S. Your post is altogether too funny, what with mentioning Dave's ADD and all...WOW, a SEAL caught a FISH! Did you SEE THAT?!? I shouldn't talk, I'm kind of the same way...
I was dubious, but if that cover is a fake it would be an impressive one. 12-12-69. Right after Altamont.
there is unofficial jibber-jabber that while Dave L. was taping his seaside chat for DP 10, his ADD got the best of him and he wandered off aimlessly in search of a low flying seagull that pooped on him. And in an odd turn of events, a randomly picked stoner named Dave will be taking over in the interim, so expect a nice chat about DP10 soon, more than likely from the lobby of a medical mj shop, by a complete stranger.
On the bright side, there is more unofficial squawk that if and when Dave returns, his job will be waiting for him, however, from now on he will be fitted with a GPS ankle bracelet and/or tethered to a large rock with 100lb test fishing line for any and all further seaside chats.
This works for me. A very PIG friendly show. 4 CD's worth of music, do you think DL2 could fit all of 12/11 in there too ? It would be cool ! Nice sleepy alligator on the tracks art.
Caution (Do Not Stop On Tracks) lol
I don't mind if they release a lot of early Dead.
I'll tell ya why,
I think our fore-brother's and sister's should get official releases of the years when they were seeing The Dead. If it wasn't for them I would never had the chance to see them live. Thanks for keeping the band touring all those years.
Second I'm only forty-five I have plenty of time left to enjoy The Dead official release from years when I saw them.
First show 9/22/87.
...re: the cover. How come it just says 'Thelma' instead of 'Thelma Theater'? hmmmm...
I see it was already taken care of.
I couldn't figure out how to get it into the thread, but I changed my profile pic to the Da10 cover, if anyone missed it. Just click my username to see it larger.
I just finished listening to 12/12/69 - first listen for me -> really good show, enjoyed the Alligator - can't wait to hear a cleaned up version, especially on Black Peter! I'm a happy camper, have not been disappointed with a DaP release thus far. Looking forward to the seaside chat.
If you do release the Cape Cod Coliseum show from the 80's next you should do your seaside chat from Cahoun Hollow Beach (Go Beachcomber) or Marconi Beach in Wellfleet! Enjoy the local flavor - steamers and lobsters!
If not, love a Oxford ME 1989 twofer or RFK 1990.
The acknowledgement about SkeeterMcskeets, I will pass that on to him
And well Said SpaceBro. Nice analogy, Another tape I got from GDHour was second set of 7-3-88. One of my faves I recorded. 6-26-88 was also another fave. Post Keith era show is up next either Box for fathers Day of DP11. I would anticipate an 83-84 show or 87-90.
4-3-88 1st set is coming up on SiriusXm at 7pm
I have not heard but 6-23-88 and Buckeye Lake show with Hornsby 6-25-88 but based on setlist those look very interesting.
I believe there IS a 40-minute+ DARK STAR from the December 11 show. A bonus disc including that...would be a heavenly gift for subscribers.
"...a phenomenal "Dark Star" with some extremely unusual Phil activity" alone would be worth the cost of the subscription.
Pretty soon we will be chatting on a different thread. This is a big show, and historic, too. It fits the prerequisites for a DaP. Nothing is certain until Dave starts talking over the foghorns, though. This will only intensify the call for '82-'89 releases. Also, it seems the chances of a full '67 or '68 show get slimmer and slimmer. Thelma Theater, eh? One of the last Friday nights of the Sixties in L.A.....can I get a ticket ??? Yum, yum. Peace.
Just to be clear, I'm not down on any release or era. I like all era's, including the officially comparative over-representation of the '70s over the '60s, 80's and '90s.
Outside of Jerry Garcia himself, Pigpen and Brent brought more raw energy, soul, emotion and game to the band than anybody else. Keith and Donna were let go from the band for a reason, and it wasn't because they were improving the Dead's sound. Pigpen's swan song for his tenure with the Dead was Europe '72, where despite severe health problems from liver disease, went out in top form. Same with Brent. He died while at the top of his and the Dead at the top of their game.
It appears, according to the leaked artwork, that 12/12/69 is indeed the next Dave's pick. Good! I liked Dave's 6 and it's bonus disc and look forward to this.
I can understand how for some folks, that shows from the '60s, early to mid '80s and '90s may appeal more to the seasoned hardcore fans while the '70s more so for the casual and occasional listener because of it's more generic qualities. Don't get me wrong. I like '70s era shows as well. It fits like an old comfortable shoe. Personally, sometimes I like to wear new fancy shoes ('80s and '90) and sometimes I like to go barefoot ('60s). I do like my comfortable well worn shoes (the '70s) as well, but if worn too often for too long, will cause foot fungus and make your feet stink.
Speaking of "Feet"...the shows that Little Feat and the Grateful dead performed together on the same bill, 7/2-3/88 Oxford Plains and 6/23-24/90 Autzen should be released. I wish I could have attended them.
A lot of people want 60-70's DaP's.
I want 60's and 70'S Box-set's. Pretty please with sugar on top.
I've been balling a shiny black steel jack-hammer
Been chipping up rocks for the great highway
I'll live five years if I take my time
Balling that jack and drinking my wine
I been chipping them rocks from dawn till doom
While my rider hide my bottle in the other room (note 1)
Doctor say better stop balling that jack
If I live five years I'm gonna bust my back, yes I will (note 2)
Easy wind, cross the Bayou today (note 3)
'Cause there's a whole lotta women, Mama
Out in red on the streets today (note 4)
And the river keeps a talking
But you never heard a word it said
Gotta find a woman be good to me
Won't hide my liquor try, to serve me tea
'Cause I'm a stone jack baller and my heart is true
And I'll give everything that I got to you, yes I will
there is a lot going on in this one and the HollyWood sign is for Lovelight.
The Alligator is drinking tea,
Gotta find a woman be good to me
Won't hide my liquor try, to serve me tea
Also agree about the SMU show 12-26-69, I got a good portion of that show on tape from a GDHour, One of my favorites from the programs I had taped. A festive feeling being it right after Christmas
How about a cut from that tantalizing acoustic set just 2 weeks later at SMU: Monkey/Engineer; Little Sadie; Long Black Limo; All Around This World; and an exceedingly rare appearance of the old spiritual, The Master's Bouquet, which elevates it to my liking over a similar acoustic playlist on 12/19 at the Fillmore...great suggestion mb!/kat