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Welcome to the 7th year of the Dave's Picks series, as we head into 2018 more excited than ever about where this series is, and where it's going. A heartfelt thank you to everyone who has supported the series since its inception in 2012; and to those who are new to it, we welcome you. There's plenty of room on the bus. The anticipation we feel every time we select, and later announce, each and every Pick is equal, or even greater, than this guy's excitement at seeing a train. As we head into and past our 25th release in the series, we feel a great sense of forward momentum, and we aim to keep that going in the coming years. How do we top a release like the upcoming Vol. 25, which as you've likely heard is the classic, much-requested, spectacular 11/6/77 Binghamton, NY show? With the show we're thinking about for Vol. 26, that's how! Really, we aim to equal, or top, every release by heading to great performances that you or may not have previously heard, but never in the quality Jeffrey Norman is able to produce. We've got our eyes and ears on several shows for possible upcoming Dave's Picks releases that are going to make 2018 the best year yet in the series, and that's how we honestly feel. Thanks again for subscribing. We keep doing what we do because you keep digging it. Your support and feedback is what keeps making us scream like we've just seen the train of our dreams...

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RadnipJerry's picture
Joined: Nov 27 2017
Adroit Jerry

Hoping for a 73 or 74 for the remaining two picks. Love the way Jerry quotes My Old Kentucky Home in the middle of his BIODTL solo at the Louisville 74 show. It's the little things in life.......

simonrob's picture
Joined: Jun 7 2007

Isn't this the version from the "Beyond description" box (2004) that was subsequently released separately in 2006? Hopefully the fact that "Ripple" (track 16, disc 1) is omitted in the track list is just a typo.

Lovemygirl's picture
Joined: Apr 29 2016

...I am not good with words, but this make me Smile Smile Smile :)

Seth Hollander's picture
Joined: Aug 27 2009
3/24/90 complete? time for more 90s?

Howsbout a Knick90s Box!?!?
1 show (complete) from each year's stand at The Knickerbocker in Albany, NY. 5 shows/15 discs.
Start with a full-modern-Norman multi-track sourced complete 3/24/90, add a 3/91(3 shows at the Knick 24-26), a 6/92(2 shows at the Knick 11 & 12), a 3/93(3 shows at the Knick 27-29; 27 is in the 30TripsBox), a 6/95 show (2 shows, 21 & 22). Ooops, no '94 shows!
(Maybe fill out the 3rd disc of each show with selections from the unused shows? 3/24/91 has a partial PITB that finishes near the end of 2nd Set 3/26. Wouldn't that be nice together?)

Plan B:
Or go big, 3/24/90, all 3 '91s, both '92s, the 2 unreleased '93s, both '95s: 10 shows/30 discs... I think "go big" might be overkill, overpriced, and underwhelming, but there is the "have it ALL" factor...


Drifter's Escape's picture
Joined: May 25 2013
College football championship

At halftime I thought I would be honoring the winner at games end by playing some Allman Brothers.
Turns out I'm gonna be playing some Drive-by-Truckers.
Ok with me either way.

Joined: Jan 13 2010
all this getting off on GD68 for me

and then Smithsonian Magazine arrives. Cover screams:



Joined: Jan 13 2010
Alabama in their eyes

Wow. what a game.

It is truly a shame that one side has to "lose" when one side "wins". they both played royally. and that QB from Alabama; what a show.

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Joined: Jan 23 2016
Yes. Full show picks puh-leeeze!

Esp. any/all recently returned Betty's. June/July post haitus '76 all look very tasty.

RT's are cool. I have most of the original cardboard sleeve versions with bonus discs. RGM is gonna sell out of the first run of Denver '73 reissues. That is one smokin' show. Fall 1973 were very heady daze for the band.

Old Chief Smokum's picture
Joined: May 2 2016
Road Trips

Triple post- DP8 is my snow day show!

Old Chief Smokum's picture
Joined: May 2 2016
Road Trips

Oh no...

Old Chief Smokum's picture
Joined: May 2 2016
Road Trips

I've been crushing the MSG RT over last two days. Love that release, but do agree that the whole show treatment is the way to go- thanks Dave.

Watching the National Championship game on mute with Dave's 23 turned up. That show rules. If you haven't listened to that one in a while, give it a spin.

Parenting story- my 3 yr old is going to pre-k and we have to fill out a questionnaire.

Me: "what's you favorite song?"
3 year old: "Tennessee Jed."

Love it.

Be good, y'all

Vguy72's picture
Joined: Jun 29 2007
Hindsight is 20/20....

....but yeah. That Dozin' Albany show being broken up over four official releases always irked me. So does the 11.2.77 Toronto gig. Broken up between DP 34 and DaP 12. Hopefully, Dave utilizes the missing Samson, Ship Of Fools, Good Lovin' and Sunrise as needed philler in the upcoming Binghamton release. Three of the four songs but would be repeats, but don't worry, us heads will find a way to mesh them together Dave. We're a resilient bunch ya know....
....oh. And there's water falling out of the night sky outside right now. 115 days. Guess I should bring that up more often....

icecrmcnkd's picture
Joined: Oct 20 2015

Chopping up a show when you have a complete great sounding copy.

Also sacrilege
Overlap transitions between discs. Even worse when those overlap transitions are in the digital download.

Joined: Jan 13 2010

yer right, Spacebro.

Spacebro sez: "I am the voice of one calling in the wilderness, 'Make straight the way for latter-day GD.'"

Joined: Jan 13 2010
he's hackin' and whackin' and smackin'

choppin' those shows.

Joined: Jan 13 2010
Dozin at the Knick is chopped?

I thought it was a complete show.

Erikandjenn's picture
Joined: Nov 22 2016
Partial shows

The Road Trips/partial show format doesn't bother me. I dig every release. I must say however, I am just a TINY bit diapointed when I read "all selections previously unreleased except for..." AND I have that exception.

It's a complaint I would hope never influences Dave, but part of me devalues the release that originally contains that song(s).

80sfan's picture
Joined: Apr 17 2015
Road trips

At least the 9/19 and 9/20 msg shows circulate in good quality (I think there are some songs from the 18th too right). Same with 3/24...though I agree it would be nice to have them restored in all their glory!

I don't mind the occasional compilation or partial show release. The first 4 dicks picks, dicks 7, 12, 31 etc are all amazing and it doesn't bother me one bit that they aren't complete. If it means getting us the best music, bring it on no matter what the format...

Thanks for the inspiration-going to listen to the fall 90 msg shows when I get home!

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Joined: Nov 8 2014
re: Chopped least one can piece together the actual 3/24/90 with official releases, assuming one has them all. The others are indeed sort of cannibalized in that sense and just the bits and pieces....but juicy, delightful, tasty bits and pieces...

I'm ALL for Dave diving into the 90's, I Mean, has he even done this yet? Or more 80's, sure. But i think others have mentioned in the past the reasoning for the 'chopping' in these road trips was based on the selling model at the time; and, times change thankfully. I think also nowadays, Heads are much more 'expecting' of the full shows vs. snippets because we've been shown that the 'full show model' works to our delight.

I mean, Dick sort of set the tone for potentialities with DP 1, which was of course....chopped. Still love that One though...what a better way to kick off the entire band's live catalog with a mesmerizing, 14-minute Here Comes Sunshine...


Joined: Jun 4 2007
Road Trips, View From The Vault and incomplete/chopped shows

Regarding Road Trips Vol. 2 No. 1 MSG, 9/20/90 should have been released in it's entirety. We lose the 1st set, Men Smart Women Smarter and much of Drums and Space.

Another offender is View From The Vault 2, where the bonus material ends up being a slicing and dicing of another show that should have been released in it's entirety, 7/12/90 RFK. Another tremendous first set and lost opportunity to present one of the best shows from one of the best years.

Then we have the case of 3/24/90 Knickerbocker, a show cannibalized over multiple releases....Dozin At The Knick, Postcards of a Hanging, Without a Net and the first S'90 box. A show that easily falls within the all time top 25 of their career, and another lost opportunity to present it all in one package.

There are many other releases that should have been complete shows, but these monsters stand out, and are another reason why I wish Dave would diversify the era choices for Dave's Picks more.

icecrmcnkd's picture
Joined: Oct 20 2015
I initially skipped Road Trips

due to not being complete shows, but did buy the complete shows when that started (12-28-79 the first complete show?).
I later got the partial shows like WOS 74, but skipped the compilations.
Thus I may have missed out on a few bonus discs.

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Joined: Oct 20 2015
Denver 73 Road Trips
JimInMD's picture
Joined: Jun 27 2011

I'm psyched for an Anthem celebration. I'm with David, March 68 at the Carousel would be mighty fine.

What a great album, what a great year.

Listening to 12/12/73 at the Omni in Atlanta as my lunchtime diversion.. first Peggy-O, what a beautiful cover. December 1973, another vintage period.'s picture
Joined: Jun 4 2007
Jerry Band in Hawaii May 1990
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Joined: Sep 28 2009
Anthem of the Sun 50th

On 1/20/17 the GD debut album 50th Anniversary Deluxe Edition was released with a bonus disc that featured the complete unreleased concert from July 29th, 1966 and select cuts from July 30th, 1966 at the P.N.E. Garden Auditorium in British Columbia. Will we see Anthem released this month and what concert material could be on it? I'm hoping for 3/16 or 3/30/68 at the Carousel Ballroom.

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Joined: Jun 5 2007
Big Fan!

Agreed... I'm a big fan of that 2/14/68 RT 2.2 release.

RT had some great releases... the ONLY issue (wishes) people had was that they were not Complete shows.... Enter DaP !!!

I dont think Dave needs to go back and re-release shows where we have a majority of the material already... I think there are plenty of epic (complete) shows that are right around the corner!

Enter a '70 Box!?!?!


Joined: Feb 26 2014

What Stoltzfus sed:




More 66/67/68, Dave. Please!

Sixtus_'s picture
Joined: Nov 8 2014
re: 2/14/68

I missed this one way back when, and have sort of kicked myself for it more recently. Not only is this some top notch old school stuff, it's that Alligator in it's (near) flawless entirety that gets me every time. I mean I love the amalgamation they did on Anthem from which a lot of it was pulled from this one performance, but when I hear it all together in one go it stands the hairs on my neck on end. And that's just one tune on this release. I'll want to keep an eye out if in fact this comes out again to try to get my grubby paws on it.


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Joined: Aug 25 2008

2/14/68 was released as a part of the Road Trips series: Volume 2, Number 2 (GRA2-6006), on March 21, 2009.

Via Wikipedia:
Road Trips Volume 2 Number 2 is two-CD live album by the American rock band the Grateful Dead. The sixth in their "Road Trips" series of albums, it was the first to contain a complete concert — the February 14, 1968 show at the Carousel Ballroom (later known as the Fillmore West) in San Francisco, California. Bonus material on Disc 1, as well as the bonus disc offered to early purchasers, comes from the Grateful Dead and Quicksilver Messenger Service "Tour of the Great Pacific Northwest", immediately precededing the Carousel Ballroom show. The album was released on March 21, 2009.

Although the Valentine's Day show at the Carousel was not the first rock concert there, it was the first show under the management auspices of the Dead, Quicksilver and Jefferson Airplane, who had leased the venue to compete with the Avalon Ballroom and Bill Graham's Fillmore Auditorium. Thus, the show was billed as the "Grand Opening". The Grateful Dead shared the bill with Country Joe and the Fish. The cover of Road Trips Volume 2 Number 2 incorporates artwork by Stanley Mouse that was used in the poster promoting the concert.
Live material from this show, along with recordings of other concerts from the same era, was used in the creation of Anthem of the Sun, a Dead album that is an amalgam of studio and live material.
The seven tracks from Seattle are believed to have been mislabeled. The show actually occurred on January 27, 1968.

Road Trips Volume 2 Number 2 contains two performances of "Dark Star" — one from the February 14, 1968 concert at the Carousel Ballroom, and one from February 2, 1968, at the Crystal Ballroom in Portland, Oregon. A third performance of the song, from the Eagles Auditorium in Seattle, Washington, is included on the bonus disc.

Disc One:
February 14, 1968, Carousel Ballroom – 1st Set
"(Walk Me Out in the) Morning Dew" (Dobson, Rose) – 6:30
"Good Morning Little School Girl" (Sonny Boy Williamson) – 12:35
"Dark Star" > (Grateful Dead, Hunter) – 6:10
"China Cat Sunflower" > (Garcia, Hunter) – 4:25
"The Eleven" > (Hunter, Lesh) – 5:15
"Turn On Your Love Light" (Scott, Malone) – 9:02
Bonus Material, January–February, 1968
"Viola Lee Blues" (Noah Lewis) (1/20/68 Eureka, CA) – 20:38
"Beat It on Down the Line" (Jesse Fuller) (1/23/68 Seattle, WA) – 3:38
"It Hurts Me Too" (Elmore James) (1/23/68 Seattle, WA) – 4:20
"Dark Star" (Grateful Dead, Hunter) (2/2/68 Portland, OR) – 6:40

Disc Two:
February 14, 1968, Carousel Ballroom – 2nd Set
"That's It for the Other One" > (Garcia, Kreutzmann, Lesh, McKernan, Weir) – 9:30
"New Potato Caboose" > (Lesh, Petersen) – 8:48
"Born Cross-Eyed" > (Weir) – 2:38
"Spanish Jam – 12:28
"Alligator" > (Lesh, McKernan, Hunter) – 14:30
"Caution (Do Not Stop on Tracks)" > (Garcia, Kreutzmann, Lesh, McKernan, Weir) – 10:00
"Feedback" (Garcia, Kreutzmann, Lesh, McKernan, Weir) – 6:10
"In the Midnight Hour" (Steve Cropper, Wilson Pickett) – 10:35

Bonus Disc:
Bonus Material, January, 1968
"Viola Lee Blues" (Noah Lewis) (1/23/68 Seattle, WA) – 22:46
"Good Morning Little School Girl" (Sonny Boy Williamson) (1/20/68 Eureka, CA) – 12:14
"New Potato Caboose" (Lesh, Petersen) (1/30/68 Eugene, OR) – 12:40
"Dark Star" > (Grateful Dead, Hunter) (1/23/68 Seattle, WA) – 7:45
"China Cat Sunflower" > (Garcia, Hunter) (1/23/68 Seattle, WA) – 5:08
"The Eleven" (Hunter, Lesh) (1/23/68 Seattle, WA) – 6:00
"Turn On Your Love Light" (Scott, Malone) (1/23/68 Seattle, WA) – 12:55

Road Trips "2.2" is scheduled for re-release by Real Gone Music in the next several years, as their schedule permits. The reissue will probably not include the separate bonus disc that was issued with pre-orders from

Yes, I agree that that 2/14/68 is a great show.

JimInMD's picture
Joined: Jun 27 2011

..not to overlook in my humble opinion the best bonus disc (just barely) of the lot.. a close second is the Beyond Description bonus and an honorable mention to the FW69 Bonus disc. Oh, and the Rockin' the Rhein a definite yessss.

God bless the bonus discs and wash away the sins from not releasing the entire shows.

Joined: Jan 13 2010
ladies and gentlemen:




More 66/67/68, Dave. Please!

libertycaps97211's picture
Joined: Jan 23 2016
DaP 47 & 48? Hmmmm.....


9-11-74 (Will prolly have to wait just that long to see this one get Full Norman'd. Most off the rails Set II's ever?!?)

6-14-76 (What a Set list! A crazy "Crazy Fingers" too...simply droooooool worthy stuff!)

All good things, in all good time.

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Joined: Sep 28 2009
moody blues at elysian park love in

The Moody Blues and Jefferson Airplane played at an Elysian Park love in in LA on 11/2/69. I dropped and hitchhiked there. While I was walking over a freeway overpass near the park a wiseass truck driver blew his airhorn right below me. Quite an auditory experience!

A parachutist dropped in during the Moody Blues set. It blew a lot of minds. A good time was had by all.

Joined: Jul 27 2014
Daves and box ramblings

Concur with earlier posters: 10-19-89 Spectrum..7-29-88 Monterey are both worthy shows for Dave to choose. Can’t really see Shoreline 91 being a box but 8-16 for sure needs released. Phils tone the 1st 3 tunes is the crunchiest bass I’ve ever heard. He reportedly hated it and swapped it out??. For boxes a Greek set would be the bomb. Pinkus’ 1st show; the famous 7-13-84 for sure.There is at LEAST one quality show from each run 82-89 to fit the bill. A box of the May 73 shows might be at the top of my wish list. Or Filmore Sept 70. Or Fox 72. Or the rest of Orpheum 76. All good things in all good time

Joined: Jun 17 2008
Legend of a mind.......

Moody Blues---my first concert ever. 1972, Boston Garden, excellent acid, Tuesday Afternoon! Believe it or not, a mind boggling experience that changed my life........

Back to snooze mode,


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Joined: May 1 2009
Moody Blues and 27-28 Dave's Pick

Sad news regarding Ray Thomas. I recently (within the past month) decided to review the Moody Blues catalog - I think they were in the news for being inducted into r and r hall of fame and that spurred my interest. I got On the Threshold of a Dream and Every Good Boy Deserves Favour and have enjoyed both. I'm waiting for In Search of the Lost Chord and To Our Children's Children's Children to arrive in the mail (from discogs.) Then I'll move on to A Question of Balance, Seventh Sojourn, and Days of Future Passed. I saw them in 1981 for Long Distance Voyager tour - a good show.
Here's a suggestion for a box for 2018....or one of these could be a Dave's Pick. Shoreline August 1991. Three shows, all good. There's an epic Scarlet>Victim>Fire>Truckin' to open the second set on 8/16....that would be a great pick.

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Joined: Jun 24 2012
DaP 27 & 28, Anthem 50th & Box Set

My top 5 possible hopes for DaP 27 & 28.

-4/6/71 Manhattan Center (Smoking show!! Really good stuff from early 71')
-6/26/87 Alpine (It would be nice to hear a nice clean soundboard source, Amazing Eyes!!)
-10/19/89 The Spectrum (My favorite first set from the later years)
-2/26/77 Swing (First Terrapin, best Terrapin??)
-7/29/88 Laguna Seca (Legendary late 80's show, Smoking China > Crazy Fingers > Rider!!)

Anthem 50th hopeful.
-10/12/68 Avalon (Beautiful 68' show)

Two hopefuls Box Set 2018!!
-Greek Theatre box (1 highlighted show from each year minus the missing 81' shows)
-Alaska 1980 (Three shows from the legendary Alaska 1980 summer solstice shows)

Joined: Jan 13 2010
Ray Thomas of the Moody Blues



The Moody Blues: their first 7 albums are awesome, and some of my favorite non-Grateful Dead music ever.

Days of Future Passed
In Search of the Lost Chord
To Our Children's Children's Children
On the Threshold of a Dream
A Question of Balance
Every Good Boy Deserves Favour
Seventh Sojourn

"face piles of trials with smiles"

Here's to Ray and the Moody Blues

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Joined: Nov 2 2010

Thanks for all the thoughtful replies on Dave's 27 & 28. I love to hear others thoughts and wishes. I would love any 73 or 74 and 90 / 91.

Spacebro I would want 3/31 to be released with 4/1/91. Those were 2 great shows and some of the magic that we got on 4/1 was showing the night before.

2 degrees in Pittsburgh yesterday an we are going to be in the mid 50's by Thursday..... guess I will be taking the lights down that day.

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Joined: Oct 5 2017
DaP 27 & 28

Summer 73 & summer 74 would be nice. I could do the fall of 70 too. Doubt anything from early 80s, due to bad tapes (can't get blood from a stone). I'm on board with a big box if it's a box from pre hiatus. If 91 is released, I would like it as a one-off release, but not a Daves Picks.

Joined: Jun 4 2007
DaP 27 & 28

Not so much a prediction as much another short wish list. Would love to see these released as Dave's Picks...


Maybe something from fall '70. I could easily list a hundred shows from '82 through Spring '89 without even trying. A starting point being something from the Greek Theater, or Laguna Seca, Oxford Plains (the other one), or Cal Expo, Autzen Stadium, Crisler Arena, Rosemont Horizons, Centrum, Spectrum, Oakland, MSG ...and so on and so forth.

September FE '70 box anybody?

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Joined: Jan 23 2016
DaP 27 & 28? Hmmmm.....

5-19-74 & 4-22-79 would do nicely.
Both have been in The Vault for yonks and need releasing!
Summer '73 Box Set. (Yes!!!!)

PNW (P-Town) weather report is 48 degrees and partly sunny.
No wonder people keep moving here. Me? 4th gen. Native, baby!!

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Joined: Sep 28 2009
San Bernadino, CA (01/06/78)

06-JAN 78
Swing Auditorium
San Bernadino, CA

Download: FLAC/MP3

This is a flac encoded & tagged version of shnid: 24629


Discs From Jools Elliott
AUD patches from Noah Weiner
AUD: MC>RR>DAT>CD Taper=Bob Menke – Sony ECM280s>Sony TC-158
CD Editing and Mastering by The Wizard –

–Set One–
101-d1t01 – Tune Up
102-d1t02 – The Promised Land
103-d1t03 – Phil breaks a string – Bobby’s Hunter joke.
104-d1t04 – Dire Wolf
105-d1t05 – Tune Up
106-d1t06 – Mama Tried ->
107-d1t07 – Big River
108-d1t08 – Tune Up
109-d1t09 – Loser
110-d1t10 – Tune Up
111-d1t11 – Looks Like Rain (AUD patch)
112-d1t12 – Tune Up
113-d1t13 – Tennessee Jed
114-d1t14 – Tune Up
115-d1t15 – New Minglewood Blues
116-d1t16 – Tune Up
117-d1t17 – Deal (Jerry’s voice finally quits)
118-d2t01 – Lazy Lightning ->
119-d2t02 – Supplication

–Set 2–
201-d2t04 – Set Two Introduction (AUD source)
202-d2t04 – Playing in the Band
203-d2t05 – Estimated Prophet ->
204-d2t06 – Drums ->
205-d2t07 – The Other One -> (AUD patch)
206-d2t08 – Truckin’ ->

207-d2t09 – Johnny B. Goode

–disc 1 timing–74:27–
–disc 2 timing–75:06–

Jerry is suffering from laryngitis and his voice is gone by Deal.
Used a light continuous noise filter to reduce tape hiss.
First Set was EQed to bring up mid and top end a bit, Second Set not EQed.
A few breaks cleaned up – A nice clean recording!
LLRain has a tape flip patched with 1:10 of AUD.
0:28 of second set introduction patched from AUD
0:28 of Other One patched from aud. All the AUD patches were
equalized and gain adjusted to match up as best as possible with SBD.
All editing done with Diamond Cut DC5 software.

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Arrowhead Stadium 1978
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Joined: Jun 27 2011
Valid Points

You have valid points.

Sorry to hear of reduced lung function. Glad I never smoked cigarettes, but I am far from unscathed of the ravages of time (and bad habits).

I guess the reality is what we have today which is better than it was before. As for tomorrow, I am hoping for the best and I do vote.

As for predictions for releases this year, it would be nice if they were able to clean up something from 79 or 80 and get it sounding almost exactly perfect. Is Dave's Picks 8, Fox Theatre 1980 really just a one-off or could there be another of the same quality?

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Joined: Apr 17 2015

For daves 27 and 28 I'm predicting a show from 76 and 79.

If they do a big box I'm guessing it will be pre-hiatus. Maybe spring 69 or fall 73. With the 78 and 89 boxes still available I'm guessing the only way they can get a box to quickly sell out is if it's from a mainstream popular year. As cool as it would be, I can't imagine a fall 79 box (though I hope I'm wrong)!

Joined: Apr 23 2008
@ jim

2 quick ones. I wasn't very clear on my position on the poll percentage. 64% may well be rufly accurate, though I do think it's a bit high I'd like to see an average of a dozen polls on full legalization of marijuana with regulated sales. My point actually was that ar the federal level which in the end is truely the most important it's like a presidential election. The states matter. They still make bank rules tax rules manufacture. You I'm sure can see 41 senators refusing to go along and I showed presidents from both parties enforcing the federal laws and regs. My end point is pure legalization as in alcohol is still likely quite a ways off. Not something I like but a political reality. As for me personally the irony is due to 50 years of smoking cigarettes it's irrelevant I can't smoke anything and not interested in edibles. I hope I'm wrong but don't think so

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Joined: Jun 27 2011

Wowie zowie is right. The rear speakers in my car have never been the same.

As for the other topic of the day.. I don't think the Gallop poll (64%)was an outlier at all. Pew's most recent shows 61% favor legalization as does the CBC News poll (up 5% from a year ago). That might not translate into anything on the federal level but it seems to indicate the tide has changed and the times are changing.

Tomorrow never knows.

Joined: Jan 13 2010
TTATS 1967

Wowie zowie.


Joined: May 13 2017
Favorite Zappa quote + loosen up naturally!

The Zappa chat reminds me of this quote from the man himself....
"Politics is the entertainment division of the military-industrial complex"

On a lighter greener note, the GD were the only ones that did what they did, but check out another old SF jam band - The Sons of Champlin release "Live" on GD records if you can find it.....their song Get High off of Loosen Up Naturally..."The sun will be up in your mind tomorrow morning" The people have to lead - hopefully our politicians catch-up - the money is the carrot

Today I think I will check in to RFK July 12,1989 - right on

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