Dave's Picks Vol. 50: Palladium, New York City, NY 5/3/77

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Dave's Picks Vol. 50: Palladium, New York City, NY 5/3/77

Reviewer: WolfmansBrother - favoritefavoritefavoritefavorite - February 11, 2008 - Online Review

Subject: setting me on fire

left the orchestra section during ship of fools and arrived in the loge for the basso profundo MNS - it's the best of the tour so far, i think, and the balcony is shakin' to its raging outro leading. i sit to take a short break, too.

yet another night of the first set seeming to spill over. first half of this second set is well-played, indeed, but the sugaree is the INSANE highlight, and keith and jerry are battling it out. one of the strongest estimateds of tour and i, for one, am happy for the FOTD break. the second half belongs to jerry - eyes is short but stellar and bridges to yet another rip-your-heart-out wharf rat, and NFA showcases some down in the weeds jamming. we're stomping and clapping and grinning our faces off, and then joint is jumping for sure as they close it down. another fine UJB encore sends me out the door, so very deeply in love with this band and its music. is there anything better than being a deadhead?

Is there anything better than being a Dead Head when one of your favorite shows is officially released in its entirety? We'll double down on your sentiments WolfmansBrother, with DAVE'S PICK VOLUME 50: PALLADIUM, NEW YORK CITY, NY 5/3/77, and we'll bring the fire extinguisher to cool you off after you listen to Betty Cantor-Jackson's complete recording. Don't want the party to end? We'll stoke those embers with a few hot tracks from the first set of 5/4/77. Dave's Picks Subscribers score the monstrous second set from 5/4/77 featuring "Scarlet>Fire," "Terrapin," 'Playing In The Band," "Comes A Time," and more. Woowee!

Limited to 25,000 numbered copies, this release has been mastered to HDCD specs by Jeffrey Norman at Mockingbird Mastering.

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May 31, 2024 - 4:17pm

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RyXs

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Blues Bridge from 1970 to 1980

The only way this works in my mind is if the sets are really bluesy themed. For the 1970 Pig shows, that's an easy reach with songs like Easy Wind! Now for the early era Brent shows, they've certainly got a more gritty blues sounding feel than much of the Keith and Donna era. At first I do think it does sound odd, (and still a rumor) to pair 1970 with 1980, but with a bluesy motif and set list for '80, I believe one could match up the somewhat seemingly distant eras. I don't think that same philosophical idea would work for applying late '80s Brent era to primal Pig.
May 31, 2024 - 1:18pm

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gratefulgerd

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Crow...

100 % agree. That's the way I see it, too.
Different years/decades, different set-lists makes it even more interesting to listen to something new.
For comparison you always have your own personal archive.
HI '70 and AK '80 sounds very interesting to me.
And there's a lot more!
Cheers
May 31, 2024 - 12:15pm

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Crow Told Me

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I was only following order

I don't think I've ever listened to a box set all the way through in order. Or even tried.

They come in the mail, and I cue up the first disc of whichever show I'm most eager to hear, and I listen to that show, all the way through in one sitting, if possible. And then I make plans to get to all the rest of 'em sooner than later.

I did think the variety you get in something like the River box was nice. The '71 shows were significantly different from the '73 ones in every way: personnel, set lists, and most certainly audio quality. If Dave has said he values continuity in a box set, I don't what he was thinking there.

Bottom line: I just want great shows in good sound. Most (not all, but most) of the boxes deliver. Hawaii '70 and Alaska '80 would be a weird combo, but I'm-a try to withhold judgment till I hear the music. Or at least confirm the rumor.
May 31, 2024 - 11:22am

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alvarhanso

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All the years combine

And melt into a dream, but like daverock, I like more of the single year boxes. Even if it means lower distinct song count, and more of a monotonous sound if on repeated listens. Sometimes the difference between tours is enough of a demarcation point for me to strongly prefer the sound of one over the other, such as Spring '77 vs Fall '77. Fall '72 vs Summer '72. Differences between years are often more jarring, usually due to recording and equipment differences, but also musically. Pigpen to Brent in one box, with no Keith would be massively jarring. For multi-year boxes, I lean more toward the '72 shows in Listen to the River, the '89 shows in Giants Stadium, and enjoy the PacNW shows pretty evenly. 30 Trips doesn't count, I was getting that no matter what, plus, it encompasses all years, save 1965. Give me a central focus for a box, and I'm much happier. That's my view on it, anyway.
May 31, 2024 - 10:26am

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daverock

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Thematic Unity

I've never really thought about that before - but on reflection, the boxes that span different years don't really hold up as box sets for me. Both The St. Louis and North Pacific ones feature great shows - but I have never played them in the order they are presented since the first time I played them. I still hear each years shows in the context of other shows from that year - not in the context of other shows in the box they are released in.
May 31, 2024 - 10:09am

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RyXs

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Yippie Kaiyeh Billy!

I totally agree with the Kidd about a box of some 1969 Oregon shows. I've even seen a bootleg on line somewhere of a show they did in St. Hellens of all places! That venue was even more far out of town {PdXs} than Springer's Inn was, to which was also a good Down Load Series {#2, Jan. 18, 1970} release.
May 31, 2024 - 6:44am

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nappyrags

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Hiya Folks...

Both tonight and tomorrow' night's Tedeschi Trucks Band's shows from Berkeley will be streamed on nugs...some fun...
May 31, 2024 - 5:38am

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uncle_tripel

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consistency & unified...

...remember folks that is any box's requirement from TPTB:

DL: We wanted it to sound sonically unified, which means if we had a PA DAT from1993 — very good shows in ‘93 that maybe someday would be released — but they just sonically wouldn’t quite hold up to the same level of the ‘87, ‘89 and ’91. Plus, ...sonic unification that all sounds good; similar to the way the Pacific Northwest sounded very similar because the recordings were made by the same recordists with the same techniques and the same equipment. Now, if we put in some Pacific Northwest, let’s say ‘77, into that box it wouldn’t have sounded at all the same because we would have also had Betty [Cantor] recordings in there, too. That was kind of how that ended up going.

I can't believe the rumor of mixing '70 GOGD w/ '80, nah...shaking my head, can't happen
May 31, 2024 - 5:05am

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billy the kiddd

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5/30 & 31 /69. Oregon Dead/ 1969 box set

These two shows would make a nice release, or part of a larger 1969 box set. Throw in April Avalon Ballroom, 6/27 & 28 /69, 10/31/69, Ark shows, and you would have a great 1969 box set.. There might also be some great 1969 tapes in those banana boxes.
May 31, 2024 - 2:35am

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daverock

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Is this board rigged too?

Might be. The truth will be revealed about the box later this year. Hopefully before November.

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Dave's Picks Vol. 50: Palladium, New York City, NY 5/3/77

Reviewer: WolfmansBrother - favoritefavoritefavoritefavorite - February 11, 2008 - Online Review

Subject: setting me on fire

left the orchestra section during ship of fools and arrived in the loge for the basso profundo MNS - it's the best of the tour so far, i think, and the balcony is shakin' to its raging outro leading. i sit to take a short break, too.

yet another night of the first set seeming to spill over. first half of this second set is well-played, indeed, but the sugaree is the INSANE highlight, and keith and jerry are battling it out. one of the strongest estimateds of tour and i, for one, am happy for the FOTD break. the second half belongs to jerry - eyes is short but stellar and bridges to yet another rip-your-heart-out wharf rat, and NFA showcases some down in the weeds jamming. we're stomping and clapping and grinning our faces off, and then joint is jumping for sure as they close it down. another fine UJB encore sends me out the door, so very deeply in love with this band and its music. is there anything better than being a deadhead?

Is there anything better than being a Dead Head when one of your favorite shows is officially released in its entirety? We'll double down on your sentiments WolfmansBrother, with DAVE'S PICK VOLUME 50: PALLADIUM, NEW YORK CITY, NY 5/3/77, and we'll bring the fire extinguisher to cool you off after you listen to Betty Cantor-Jackson's complete recording. Don't want the party to end? We'll stoke those embers with a few hot tracks from the first set of 5/4/77. Dave's Picks Subscribers score the monstrous second set from 5/4/77 featuring "Scarlet>Fire," "Terrapin," 'Playing In The Band," "Comes A Time," and more. Woowee!

Limited to 25,000 numbered copies, this release has been mastered to HDCD specs by Jeffrey Norman at Mockingbird Mastering.

Blue Moon ice cream

Look it up if you’ve never had it.
Best flavor and color out there.

50 arrived today, spinning CD1 now.

So I finally had a listen

Unlike others, I can’t watch hockey and listen at the same time as I run both audio and video through the same receiver.

The sound is good, but a bit muted. DaP49 jumped out of the speakers and really impressed me. It does get better as the show progresses.

So I would say this. It’s kinda like going on a cruise to the Bahamas for your 50th wedding anniversary. It’s fun and all, but really? I would have much rather preferred a trip to Bariloche.

Bariloche

Now we're talking. How many desert island shows can one take for two or three weeks in Patagonia?

I'm hoping we can meander our way through some of these show discussions passively. In the big picture, I learn a lot more from the bunch of you than I can possibly contribute myself. I was thinking about something this week, one of the things the Grateful Dead taught me. That it's ok, even preferred to not be like everyone else. We embrace individuality and are accepting of modest to generous amounts of weirdness. I mean who wants to be part of the moron majority anyway?

I really enjoy hearing from all of you and with a few exceptions no matter what you have to say. Full disclosure I do have a soft spot for many of the Jerry Ballads, but I love the rockers too. Yin and yang.

RIP Duane Eddy indeed

Another one gone

Duane Eddy

I was really sorry to read of his recent death. I was lucky enough to see him live twice about 10 years ago. Once in a beautiful converted cinema in little Yorkshire village called Holmfirth. His guitar playing was as great as I'd hoped, and he had one of the most engaging personalities I have ever witnessed from a performer. Genuine humility and warmth. One of the best shows I have ever seen. One where you come out taller than when you went in. I always hoped to be able to see him again.

5/2/70

If I had only one show I could go to ,5/2/70 would be that show What a show!

5/2/70

BTK - amen to that. I'd come along with you!
Not long ago, if anyone demonstrated any kind of discernment between years or eras, they would b referred to on here as a "picky Deadhead". It was as though you weren't considered part of the gang if you didn't like everything.

Most human beings, there's a spectrum of bad behavior......

Gentlemen:

Stop being such bad boys and take those Harper College comments to the Pick Of The Day thread, that kind of input is NOT welcome here!!!

I don't say we all ought to misbehave, but we ought to look as if we could......

Rock on,

Doc
It seems that when you get to a certain age you almost give yourself permission to misbehave and say what you think. People allow it, with very old people......

Asking for it...

Why does everyone love Harpur College so much?

I'm missing something i think...

Happy Harpur Day

God Bless the Grateful Dead

Have you experienced Harpur Joey?

That's it for the other one

Viola lee blues

And a whole lot more

Check it out

You'll be glad you did

I have, I'll check it out…

I have, I'll check it out again...

because of you, Oro!

Had to get the ears tested... kidding, but it was time and no, I did not think you were trolling on audio fidelity. Just glad I can still hear cymbals. Phil and Friends birthday at the Cap was about at my current limit for live decibels. At home, crank it up to low 90s peaks in celebrations, monitoring with my trusty Radio Shack meter, careful with that cochlea Eugene. Started off with the bonus disc of course, at volume... this is the joy, this is the glory of the remastering, making it easy to listen loud comfortably, experience the timbre of Phil's bass, crisp cymbal work and detail that is barely discernable on the mid fi downloads.

Ground not upon dreams; you know they are ever contrary....

Recordings of Harpur College have been around since the dawn of time. It has a well deserved reputation as classic due to the intense, exceptional music they played that night. Everybody should have a copy...........

With that being said, I actually prefer the Fillmore East show of May 15, 1970. Not sure why, probably because I was constantly dropped on my head as a child.........

Contrary to some self-serving reports, I am okay and strong, I have not hit rock bottom.......

Doc
But I'm working on it......

5 15 70

Another phenomenal show

Super model without makeup?

5 3 77 Have 2 listens in, one loud, one not.
Status quo Beatty beauty sonically, especially now I finally have my room treated etc to tame the sledgehammer bass/drums of this era.

More mellow than you’d expect, in a good way, like 76.
More clams than you’d think too. Not terrible, just not full on supermodel flawless. Pretty noticeable one in LL/Sup, and I love how in Sugaree after almost getting out of sync around six minute, they pull back, regroup, then patiently build up where eventually your like and Holly crap from then on! I think that’s what I like about this “time”, like Fivebranch said, it’s wave music. It just slowly ebbs and flows, and when their patient and together it can be quite spectacular.
I’ve been checking out some of the previous nights and kept coming back to what FB said! Wave music!
I’ll have to hear more, and not really being a 77 guy, hesitate to compare, but I’d say I like better than 45 but maybe not as much as 41, and it won’t replace my current 77 fav go tos on the rare occasion I go 77.
But as always, I’m totally enjoying it and all the hard work that went into it, even if it’s not what “I” would have preferred.
I’m glad so many others are really digging it!
Onward! On to 5 4 dot dot dot

Hey, glad I could help DMCVT ; ) and glad you didn’t think I was messin with ya.
I’ve always taken hearing very seriously, perhaps why I still can lol.

There's a Crazy Doctor I've Found

In the Space track noticed a very brief Crazy Fingers tease, and at the end, it sounded like Jerry stumbled upon There's a Doctor I've Found from The Who's Tommy, one of the shortest ditties on that double album. Also, at the end of that Sugaree crescendo, around 11 and a half min, it sounds like Bob stumbles upon Walk On the Wild Side and plays with that a few times, not quite the same take on that part he does more often. Or so it seemed. Still digging this one. Though, in the car it was not as loud as on the stereo. And the downgrade to mp3 may have helped that hum, hasn't bothered me in the car.

You People Need to Act Like a Mature Responsible Audience

What's good about Harpur? That's like asking what's good about bacon. Um, everything?

But seriously. It starts with one of the great acoustic sets ever. Listen to the Garcia's vocals on Rider and tell me this isn't a special night. A great example of a show where the exchange of energy between band and audience just sent the music through the roof. Listen to the jam out of Good Loving just for instance. Great audience riffs. (Hence my header here.) The whole thing has wabi-sabi: feedback shrieks that seem to add to the energy, sections of wobbly rhythm that suddenly lock into hyperdrive. A killer closing sequence of Dew into Viola Lee.

Anyway, glad you brought it up. One of my all time favorite shows, and yet I hadn't listened to it in years. (So much music, so little time,) Sure would like to see this one get the vinyl remaster reissue treatment.

Still haven't cracked the seal on 50. Not sure what's up with that.

2/5/70-vinyl

Crow - a remastered version of this show did actually get released on Brookvale Records in 2017. Although the acoustic set is in stereo, the electric is still in mono - but it's still a monster. The record also includes "Cold Rain and Snow", which wasn't featured on the cd. It's nothing to write home about, to be honest. But I am definitely in the camp that says this show is one of the all time greats.

Harpur College.....

....currently streaming it @ work.
Top shelf? Resounding yes!

#9764

First listen, tonight. Bonus disk looks good. Listening to "the guess who" pain train. Pretty groovy song. Nice little jam at end.

Harpur & cochlear Oro

Harpur was my gateway into Dicks Picks... which led to investigating the previous 7 and so it dawned upon me, I was back on the bus after a near ten year hiatus. Oro, just kidding about trolling, your comments on re-release formats etc. I know you know audio very well, it continues to please me upon first listens, how lucky we are to have 98% of the music retrievable and upgraded from proverbial bygone eras. Do seem to find a slight 2-3db bump up in the EQ for mid bass, notable with Phil and kick drum, but earhaps that's the best they could do given 18/24db slopes. We are good for 1977, so where's that primal grease box announcement?

Half Assed 77 Thread

Looking good!

First listen underway. So far so good. Really good sound quality as expected.

Yes, when is that box news coming? I am ready.

5/2

Thank you guys for articulating some...

Hey now

Psuq my wiggly diq

Hey now

L a m e af

Hey now

Go die

Hey now

You are communicating that you dont want my money

Hey now

The Hey Now creator needs to get punched in the nose

Hey now

Angering your customers is a bad idea

Hey now

I hope you get syphilis

Hey now

In the long run all this doesnt matter anyway

But if I could I would bash your knees with a bat

Several times

JOTW

07/30/66
Early primal DEAD!!

7/30/66

That is also early primal me.
That's the day I was born. Lol
Peace

Double Post

Damn Hey Now
Peace

#8877

...has just arrived. That was a very fast Atlantic Crossing!
And perfect timing too, May 3rd!!
What a beautiful day!
Cheers
G.
Is the HN-Police with me?

JOTM

You'll find this, and more, on the expanded version of the band's first album. Would have loved to have been there. This is actually from 7/29/1966, not 7/30. My favorite extra treat on remastered issues, right up there with American Beauty reissue extra treat.. Incredible Baby Blue

So unnecessarily lame

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