Grateful Dead

30 Days of Dead November 18

Today's Song

Candyman
Hint: A great song from a great show the night before an even greater show

Answer

Gainesville, FL, Alligator Alley Gym - University of Florida
11/29/1980
Recorded the night before the Dave's Picks Vol. 8

Winner

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What?

Alligator Alley was the greater show over the Fox Theatre in 80! Way...

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So, the soundboard *does*

So, the soundboard *does* exist! This show needs to be released.

The clue is wrong... this was an even greater show than the Fox.

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Gainesville?

Clearly this show has to be released. It has that raw sound with lot's of sharp peak's in the jam's. I love it!

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WHAT ABOUT GAINESVILLE?!

Clearly our cries have been heard.

Saw the date of this Candyman and just started laughing...

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Another Dead Ned

hey, congrats to Ned Christie ! how did you come up with yr username - are you referencing the great Cherokee ?

also, thanks to all for the hints.

(~);-}

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31 days of dead in October

31 days of dead in October
This would make more since. Why not one download a week? All Hallows Eve is October 31! All saints day is November 1! When is the day of the dead?

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Incredible shows- Spring and Fall

I went to the Spring shows in this 'region', and again in the Fall. I had convinced several people that going to as many shows as possible would be well worth their time.

I loved being at this show in particular. Years ago, I copied all I could from .org and have since played the recordings at various occasions and gatherings 20+ years after the fact. Good laughs were had when the same people that made the journey back then, would hear the music and ask 'what show was this'?, only to later realize or be told "you remember".

Incredible shows, and even better memories..... considering the condition our condition was in! (~);-)

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Rules

The rules link works for me and as it states twice, "every contestant that enters the correct show/date will be entered into the grand prize drawing". So with that, I don't believe it matters about being titled the daily winner.

This was further confirmed by Hornsby by stating that after his daily win, he was not notified of any daily prize, thanks for playing, etc.

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Formerly the Warlocks

Although, if the show hadn't already been released from the vault, I probably would have gone to Hampton 10/8/89 as a first try/guess (based on Dave's hint).

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Candyman

Even with all of the clues, I don't think I got this one. Too tired to listen to anymore versions of Candyman

Gen
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Hints

Only hint I needed was Mr. Lemieux's! Was first place I looked/went to.

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Help on the Way

So, I'm OK with the hints. YMMV and that's cool.
When I have the time I ignore them, I use my ears and Deadbase X because it's fun. When I don't have the time I still feel like the subtle hints are only useful to someone who has some knowledge of the catalog.
Sometimes when I don't have the time I get the answer more readily from hints but spend the hour and a half I would have spent searching *listening* to a kickass audience copy of a show I've never heard before. So, maybe I really did have the time if I ended up staying up too late...but I got a little deeper into the catalog because the hints left me time to listen to the whole set. Aint that what it's all about? That and redoubling my resolve to find a way to make room in the budget for the Dave's Picks subscription for 2014?
Y'know, I put effort (effort seems like the wrong word) into absorbing this music because I freaking love it. This year I listened to every acoustic birdsong, every Help>Slip>Franklins from 76-77, every China>Rider and Eyes from 73-74 (song binge), did the spring '81 tour in order (era binge), etc. So if someone subtly narrows it down for me, I think that's OK.
Anyway, last year's 30 days is an iPod playlist i turn to often when I'm jogging. This year will no doubt yield the same.
Anyone who gets more than 5 of these has the same rediculous obsession many of us do and IMHO they deserve the assist.
Ever had a brother or sister give you a ride from hampton to the next show when you lost your peeps? How about the perfectly timed post-show beer when you couldn't find your car? Even (gasp) the MIRACLE for tomorrow night! Or maybe a taper spun a copy after the show and threw it to you to listen to on the way from Alpine to wherever.
Yea, aint always got the time. Maybe the baby is crying and the wife hasn't slept in a few days, so it would be selfish to stay up for hours trying to figure out the Passenger. For the older heads maybe it's a chance to help out with the grandkids. I don't know, I just think this shouldn't be an outright competitive thing. You'll get your 'cred, man. Not to gloat, but I got the Black Peter last year....yea, mad cred there...

My first hint, only useful if you've read "Dead to the Core". Yes, this Candyman has that "Plinky Brent sound" but it aint from the year the author associates that sound with.
And dammit, there were a lot of good shows that year, even if many of them are aud only.
Peas, and best of luck to everyone. I hope someone who can't quite afford the big prize gets it...

Right. So tonight I used the hint and drank two beers while listening to set two from this show. Wise-Miller. Hence the rambling. Thanks to all involved on both sides of the servers.
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The last Yetay show

The Yetay's meet yetay there and we went and they did this Candyman. yetay Well yetay graduated there 1n 84 as a Pharmacist. yetay

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So what about ......

.... hey I thought this show was supposedly not in the vault!

This one actually was harder with that tid-bit of what i thought was good information!

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Subtle hints...

Every hint I've read here is subtle, including both of mine - the first just pointed out the vocal ad-lib by Jerry that would set this version apart from all the others - not that helpful, I know - I tried a Google search of those lyrics and it got me nowhere...
My second hint was basically riffing off the previous "lay-up" comment, but could also be useful, if you knew how to use it ;)

I would never get these songs figured out without hints - I just don't have all day to listen to every Brent-era Candyman! I appreciate the subtle, sly turns-of-a-phrase that may or may not provide me with that "a-ha!" moment - if they do, then I feel good about catching the hint, and even better about tracking down an answer!

I've gotten nearly all 18 correct, and haven't won yet, but there's still 2 weeks left - maybe if I'm lucky, I'll get a slam dunk one of these days :)

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Lots of complaining

Don't leave any hints then. Just find the song and be done with it. I love the hints. The alley oop is great.

Different strokes for different folks

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I hear ya, I don't mean to

I hear ya, I don't mean to sound like I was hint hatin'. I think I was just bummed that I'm nearly perfect this month & have yet to win. But hey, we're all winning w/ all this free music & that's the most important part. Side note, Tim Tebow was one heckuva college player.

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Hints

The best way to deal with unwanted hints are not to read the comments until you have either given up and feel you have to resort to hints or you just don't have time to wade through the dozens or more of shows that seem to be viable candidates. You do have to scroll waaaaay down to even get to the first set of comments so avoiding them isn't all that difficult.

It is far more fun to search for the treasure without help, but to paraphrase Paul Simon: " I do declare there were times when I was so confused I took some comfort there."

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Great Hint!

Got it down to a year or so & then started looking at the next night.
Back at the time, many thought this night was the better of the two....

I love the between song transitions around this time: the beautiful one between the 1st & 2nd songs of this 2nd set is one of my favorite segues of all Dead time.
Peace & Love Y'all,

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clues

When I get clues like BASKETBALL I think of Lithuania and even though there have been some great clues I think my average correct guess for the WONDERFUL 30 Days of Free Dead Music (Many thanks to dead net Staff for this GREAT free music feature and the artwork)
is barely 1 per 30 days.

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You guys with the clues are

You guys with the clues are just giving answers away. I didn't realize my subtle "lay-up" comment (or at least my effort to be subtle) was going to spawn an "alley-oop" and a "three point shot" and a "nailing it from long distance". I think we get it everyone, just type "BASKETBALL" and be done with it. To each his own and whatever people want to do is of course not up to me but it does kind of defeat the purpose of the game. When a 7+ min Candyman that could obviously be from a few different years is guessed in 1 guess by the previous poster, is that any fun????

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dont be hint hatin

It got me a few years back when I saw hints when I wanted to really try. Now its easy to see song and go look before reading. Don't read the comments and not expect hints, I mean seriously, this is the easternet after all lol. In past years people just put the exact show in the comments moments after its posting. The first or second year the show was in the file name or something...this year has been very cryptic in comparison)

I enjoy a hint now and again when I'm stuck, and i don't mind helping others that get stuck. According to the rules of karma your prolly more likely to win after giving a helpful hint then not~

And Grats Ned CHristie!!!

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Great Version, but too easy.

Found this on first try, Hope I am correct. I am pretty much 99.9% sure. If you are struggling just try to think of a small town with a hot climate where the show was played, hope thats not giving away too much.

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Not too easy

It wasn't too easy for me! There are lots of similar-sounding versions out there and, in the relevant time period, a goodly number of shows where this song was played. Nothing nailed it down with particularity -- just repeatedly listening, moving back and forth, listening more, etc. Three cheers if this was easy for you!

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Stop with the clues

At least until I win one of these days :)

I think I am about 14/18
( Not sure how to count my Shrine Exhibition vs. Shrine Auditorium)

It would be neat to see the number (or even percentage) of correct responses to responses received.

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I'm giving it a pass

I know there's someone out there that can explain the subtle differences, and I blame myself considering there is an official release from the next day with the allegedly correct name, but both the archive and this website's official list have it exhibition.

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Shrine in Los Angeles

The Shrine's own Web site (contemporary, now - http://www.shrineauditorium.com/) calls the two places and the whole operation Shrine Auditorium & Expo Hall. On deadlists.com, the poster for Aug 23 & 24 1968 (http://www.deadlists.com/posters/1960s/19680823.html) names the venue of those concerts "Shrine Hall"; the poster for Nov 10 & 11 1967 (http://www.deadlists.com/posters/1960s/19671110a.html) names their venue "Shrine Exposition Hall."

Given that the Shrine itself, now, calls its smaller space Expo Hall and a contemporary show poster in 1967 called it Shrine Exposition Hall, I think dead.net's naming it, in the Shows & Lyrics pages, "Shrine Exhibition [- not Exposition -] Hall" is mistaken.

Which doesn't settle the question of whether the August '68 shows were in fact at the "Shrine Hall" or the Shrine Auditorium (which has a bigger capacity [over 6,000! - pretty sizable for a permanent-seating auditorium] than the ~4,000-capacity Expo Hall). I lean toward the Auditorium for the August '68 shows, but maybe that's because I've always imagined them there since (at least) gazing at the photos of the Auditorium (not the Expo Hall) in Two from the Vault. (Note that the liner info on Anthem of the Sun, for the Nov '67 shows it used recordings of, says "Shrine Exposition" for THOSE.)

Maybe we should private-message the folks that listed themselves here (on Shows pages) as having attended Shrine shows, and ask 'em to name and describe the place(s) they were at.

(Note also that "Shrine Auditorium" is given as the venue, here on dead.net Shows pages, only for the two pairs of shows in the 1970s - Oct '76 and Jan '78. All the others, in '67 & '68, are named here as "Shrine Exhibition Hall" [- where the exhibitionists perform?].)

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Lunchtime

Thanks to the previous hints I found it. My ears were deceiving me as I thought it was an outside show, but at least I was searching in the right time frame.

Here's a more obscure hint: This place was built in 1949 and became part of a historic district in 2008.

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whew!

often i've been finding it from friendly clues. none of those worked for me today. did a lot of searching. i'm not as good as others in that i cant pick a year from one listen. i can guess lineups of course. my hint? think about who is giving you the clue....

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Very good clue

That gave it away immediately, at least for me. Thanks.

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three point shot

thanks for all the clues
which for me came after the fact
but basically confirm that I nailed it from long distance...
nothing ventured, nothing lost or gained...

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This year's 30DOD recordings vs. last years

I think I nailed this one my first try, but that seems too easy so I'm going to wait until tonight to see if any of you kind folks throw some better clues up here. But then I hit yesterday's nail square on its head too, for all the good it did me.
Has anyone else noticed that the recordings last year seemed different somehow, or is it just me? Not sure how to word this without sounding goofy but it was like you could "feel the air in the room". For example there was one I could tell within a few seconds was from Alpine. Another I remember commenting on "sounds like mid to late 80's, indoor show, large hall". You could tell by listening. These recordings seem cleaner somehow, like direct from the sb without any mic.
Either way I'm really enjoying this, thanks for doing it!

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not a layup...

more of an alley-oop...

arm
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Flummoxed

Finding this is one to be very difficult. I need to devote more time to it than I think I have! But I like the challenge.

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Not Easy

Wow, that one definitely was not a lay-up, at least not for me. Took some time and some thinking but I am 100% confident after playing it synced up and it matched perfectly. Here is my clue: Good luck! (maybe I'll come back later and post a real clue if people are having a hard time)

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Here he come....

Brutal, but I finally figured it out. My search was a few years off, but I managed to get realigned just in time for my daughter to come home from school. Where did my day go? This show was also on my father's birthday!

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Not Easy

Agreed!! Really don't have the time today, and I think I would need it. Definitely within 1-2 months, but don't sound quite right. Only 95% sure, so run of 6 might end there!

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Great Candyman - Here's a Loser question for you!

Now on a totally different note, does anyone know of the Loser out there that has an incredible intense amount of crazy feedback & distortion during the solo(s); like off the chart crazy? A friend of mine played it for me years ago and I am pretty I have it on a tape somewhere as filler (but I don't pull out the tapes these days). Hoping someone knows what I'm talking about.
Have a grateful day!
Peace!

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jamgol - maybe:

could be Winterland, New Year's Eve Dec 31 1977

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Well,

...not really over the top crazy feedback, so I'm not sure it's the one your looking for, but the version of Loser on the bonus disk on Road Trips Vol.1 No.2 is gets pretty dirty during the solo. The date on it is 10/14/77, so if it's not it may be possible it's from a show close to that one. I'd be interested to hear it actually...

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Losers

Not sure if any of these are the one you mean, but they are all wonderful examples of Garcia barely keeping a lid on the feedback, and even some errant tones sneaking out from under his fingers. If you do ever find the one you mean, please share, I love unwieldy Losers.

Cornell 5-8-77
Raceway Park 9-3-77
Pasaic, NJ 11-24-78

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All good Losers but....

not the one that i was looking for. the search goes on. it is crazy i tell ya!!!
thanks guys

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Here's one

Fox Theatre on 1980-11-30
I don't know about "over the top" but it's pretty intense.

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Look out, look out.....

My x-ray vision doesn't seem to be working this morning. I have the right time period, but I am obviously missing something, in spite of the clues.

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With you

I think I'm in the right era as well and know what time of year it was, but I'm either going to need more clues or a lot more time poking around.

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Good Morning, Mr. Benson...

I see you're lookin' well!

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have you thanked mr. miller?

where would we all be without him? what a sweet song from a killer show and so nicely recorded. even able to take a copy and put it in my pocket. thanks for ponting us to this one. as for the hint i checked out the next nights show and although it is good i guess i am missing the significance (tell me tomorrow somebody, don't give away the show) regardless i put a copy of that show in my pocket as well, just in two pieces.

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ah ha! i mean, duh!

scratch that second part, cause i just found out whats so great about the next night. staring me right in the face as we speak. duh
carry on

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Me too

I know man, very sly, I would have kicked myself if I didn't get this one...

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smack!

The sound of that moment when your palm hits your forehead...

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