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    As you may have noticed, we've just implemented a much-requested chatroom. It is quite simple and has few fancy features, but for the moment we just want it to work!

     Anyway, have at it, and post your thoughts, feature requests, effusive thanks to the tech team, etc., right here. Thanks!

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  • #101
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    What's really important in life?
    For some of us in far away lands the internet is the only way we can keep in contact with the Deadhead community. We all need the love! Some speak other languages. Even when we speak the same language we don't always understand each other the right way. But we're all trying, that's why we're here. Things always go wrong in life, patience is not always easy to have but we need to not assume things that we don't know. This place as a bonus in life, we have no right to have this place, we are lucky to have it. We don't know if anyone gets paid to run or fix this place. Maybe they do it as an act of free love? I didn't see the sex spam. I do like sex though and have no problem with it. Spam is not something that should be here as this place was not made for that. I'm totally against banning for using certain words. We are adults here. We don't need to be wrapped in cotton wool, the world is a hard place and it doesn't get easier by hiding from it or hiding others from the truth, quite the opposite actually. I've never seen anyone being TOO offensive here. Much nicer than other GD sites guys, give yourselves a pat on the back! The GD symbolize freedom whether some would like to deny that or not, that's is accepted by most folks. Banning should only be done in cases where there is spamming, threats of violence, or repeated derogatory defamation after warnings have been tried. Swearing, sex talk, and the like are part of life. Rudeness is also but better to try to police it ourselves and report it to our hard working mods when being reasonable fails. That's my two cents. Group hug... Are you kind?
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    hey oroboros,...
    a comp.(sorry that i did not explain it) is a computer,and believe i dont care,if your opinion is that your computers are working well..so be it.i love the GD,i love the music,i love the people who share my feelings towards this band,and i am sitting in front of my computer tears running down my face,because something is wrong and you know that it is..right on so be it:-)(-:i stayed in every bluelight star hotel..peace,if we cant have that,who can..so be it!!!!!
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    Everybody should just chill a bit... PLEASE! They're gonna fix it, I know they will. Blowing up and arguing won't acomplish anything. Take a chill whatever, and enjoy it while it works. Or if you prefer to not use the chat room until it's "just exactly perfect", then just PM me and I will be happy to PM you when it's all totally groovy there. I hope this helps... Plant, Bud
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    Frankly, my message was specifically to Stu
    and regarding what I saw as his struggle with the current 'system' and I was attempting to present a historical perspective on what I watched transpire with this. Perhaps a pm was more in order to acheive that. My attempt was to assist and not to manipulate, but if that is your read so be it. As for quoting the Wheel, things do progress and go forth with or without your (or my) consent and It helps me to remember that. As far as Jerry, I was talking about his ethereal solos following that lyric, in reference to the angst that Stu had previously referred to about missing Jerry. My communication may have not been the best yet, I am not being malicious with my message. "A pool of maniacs, weirdos, and other perverts" is not the description of the old site that I intended. The old site was the like the wild west, or even much like the old acid tests where 'anything goes', and often anything was said. It (the site and the scene) has evolved to what it is now. Hey, I have been in left field so long that I have a tent pitched out there. And I like it. I don't have any problem with others complaining about the current restrictions and I am hopeful that they will be resolved. There are many times I long for the 'old daze' for a variety of reasons. But we have what we have. And I am confused by your take on me saying I can't control my comps (what is that?). What I was saying was that we can't control others, we do have control over ourselves. And yes, when (on the old site) I read posts of threats to others, overt attempts at charactor assasination due to varying opinions, material posted that could cause problems for the persons or the site and/or other such behaviors, I wasn't terribly surprised when I got to this new site and found the restrictions. Like the restricions? Not really, but I didn't like some of the prior stuff either. But we can see it differently, there can be more than one truth. We may agree on more than we disagree. Mark Twain said "it ain't what I don't know that gets me into trouble, its what I know for sure that ain't so". Take care, tim
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    to address a couple of the substantive issues

    Regarding the TOS, we very deliberately wrote them not to resemble the aggressive legalese of AOL et al., and I say this as a co-founder of the AOL forum who, back in the day, got Steve Case himself to let us not be bound by the aspect of their TOS that, say, prohibited the use of four-letter words. Since quoting the lyrics of "Wharf Rat" would get you bounced off any such system, I believed at the time, and believe to this day, that such rules are a bad fit for Deadheads.

    Quoting the lyrics of Wharf Rat is, of course, not quite the same thing as hooking online. And I note that she who engaged in the online hooking was blocked from the site within two hours of posting her little come-on in the chat room, and without damage to the myriad Heads who use four-letter words in their posts.

    In short, bleep happens and we try to deal with it, depending on the merits or lack thereof of the individual situation.

    I mean, it certainly didn't enhance my Grateful Dead experience to have those gyrating screaming chicks flinging their hair and sweat about and committin lewd acts with assorted objects in the guise of "dancing" throughout the show, but you know, I've read quite a few posts over the years from guys who seemed to like the show. Not everything that crosses your path here is going to be something you're going to like, but when it goes over the edge like spam scams and sex peddling and personal attacks, it gets dealt with.

    Frankly, in this particular case, the "policing" to which you object is being done by mindless and broken software as a mechanical function. And, as has been reported at great length, it is not triggered by any actual behavior. As the person with "policing" abilities who's likeliest to actually look at the chat room from time to time, I can report with some assurance that the only line-crossing behavior I can recall seeing was from the ex-user to whom Stuman took such exception. I am not especially worried about people's use of swear words, and if they want to talk about illegal activities in a forum that's as accessible to law enforcement as it is to everyone else, that's their business and on their own heads, as far as I'm concerned. See the relevant line in TOS about the New York Times.

    Right now the main misbehavior I'm worried about is the software's, but I believe my compatriots who say they are working on it. Thank you.

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    hallo oroboros!
    if i understand your message right than the old DEAD_NET was a pool of maniacs,sexual weirdos and other perverts.you are so objective that you can say that some of the stuff on the old net was"downright wrong"hmmm..and than one single person succeded to be that horrible,that the good DHs quit the site and you stayed with the trash.please what shows are you talking about.there are no more GD shows since 12 years and well,yes this site is the only place we have to meet.how easy to say to somebody,"if you go so be it".but if i understood you right you had to put in a guard,because on the old net some posters where leaving..so back then it was not" go if you want to policy"i am just completly confused,because at the end you are saying that youre not able to controll your comps.???and than you start receiting theWheel. well,that song is about live,not comp.programing...and i dont even want to believe the sentence with Jerry.oroboros this is manipulation,and not a nice one..take care and sleep well:-)(-:
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    the stuff that you got so incensed about was happening more often on the 'old site' which is why I believe the DN tried (and maybe overboard) to rein in questionable (and on the oldsite often abusive, sexually offensive, and downright wrong) posting. One individual created significant chaos on the 'old site' and we were pretty ineffective at managing him and they way he treated others (with the possible exception of a sheriff "Jack Black's A_ _ Crack"). Anyway, I say several posters at that time go away for sometime due to such out-of-bounds behavior. It you need to go away, so be it. If this is a good place for us to talk and share (albeit with that annoying 'shove out' "when push comes to shove"), then let yourself cool and recognize that this place isn't perfect, but it is a better spot that you had before. If you gotta go, more power to you. Think about comming back and we will be as happy to see you as we were 'back in the day" and reunited with familar & friendly faces at the shows. I just want to reach out and tell you that, man, we can't always control others but we can hope that the vibe is more powerful than those that are chipping away at it. And "the wheel is turning and you can't slow it down, can't go back and you can't stand still, ...everytime that wheel turn round, bound to cover just a little more ground. BOUND TO COVER JUST A LITTLE MORE GROUND!" and then Jerry would soar..... no one can take that away.... Take care, tim
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    stuman
    Thank you for your many positive contributions to the site, not the least of which were the suggestion for the poetry thread and your postings there. It would be a shame to see a valuable and contributing member of the community drift away. I appreciate your presence here, and hope that you'll reconsider. Peace and my best wishes to you as well, from one stu to another. Conversation is always more interesting than recitation, so speak your mind and not someone else's.
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    sometimes , yes my anger and frustration get the best of me , i take medication for that , just seeing people solicit for sex here , well as you can tell it threw ne over the edge ,so my apologies for that outburst. however my wife is a former AOL empoyee, we both know that it is not that dificult to take care of some issusses, maybe your software needs to have key words, like if someone types the word cum,sex, or any other sexually explicit words on their profile then the profile will be automaticlly deleted. thats how aol, yahoo , and sure many others operate. sorry for the outburst . the staff here is haveing a hard time , maybe they need some people with more comp. experience. there has got to be a better way, terms of service , has anyone read terms of service for other web sites. like craigslist.org ? they are based out of the bay area go read their terms of service, maybe someone from craigslist needs a job, and craigslist is also free so it can`t be that dificult to take care of such issusses.. well i`ll leave this brokendown palace for a wile , maybe i`ll go plant a weeping willow.. too all the kind people i have gotton to know , i will miss you all. for those who will like to keep in touch with me please pm me and i will gladly give you my regular e-mail address. i will stick around for the next day or so , after that i will no longer use this service. thank you everyone for the good times .. peace and my best wishes to all..
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    well Mary,..
    i browsed the pages a little and i can only say that stuman is a very humble,polite and nice human being.getting him into cookin like that something must be real weird,if not to say completely wrong.and the CHAT IS NOT WORKING PROPERLY.you have your tech departement,these guys get paid so they should be able to handle such a thing.if not ,maybe another kind of job would be more appropriate.believe me mary that if this goes on like it does,there will be more people getting angry,and thats not good for all of us.once again i ask you please:why do we have to be policed?:-)(-:
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As you may have noticed, we've just implemented a much-requested chatroom. It is quite simple and has few fancy features, but for the moment we just want it to work!

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Submitted by Hal R on Fri, 03/28/2008 - 22:10

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it is really bad tonight, people leave and don't come back because of the malfunction, becoming too much a challenge to be fun If the doors of perception were cleansed, everything would appear to man as it is, infinite. William Blake
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Submitted by Oroboros on Sat, 03/29/2008 - 10:03

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but significantly troubled system. Don't know what to say but "ain't misbehavin'"!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Submitted by Oroboros on Sat, 03/29/2008 - 23:34

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and got we all got booted out again! I was wondering at that point how long before we got tossed. Hilarious for a bunch of old farts to be tossed out!
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Submitted by grdaed73 on Sun, 03/30/2008 - 08:50

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getting into a show without a ticket, ya never know when your gonna get caught misbehavin. as SomeOne once said in highnasalsmile "just remember your hippie training folks")))
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Submitted by stuman on Sun, 03/30/2008 - 09:26

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the door to the chat room seems to be closed,,..as soon as i enter, i (and or we all) get the boot... another strange thing ,, when i did get in a few minutes ago,,i got a blank screen, the area that say`s who is in the chatroom was there but no names ,,.. Including mine ,, i was there ,,.. ??? seriousley i was ,,..lol ,,..then got booted , as expected.... "nothing left to do but smile smile smile" and just PM each other but that`s not as much fun ,,....... take care ,,, peace ,........
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Submitted by GratefulGigi on Sun, 03/30/2008 - 11:19

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me too... same shit...
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Submitted by Frankly on Sun, 03/30/2008 - 11:47

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polite person.but the F::::! bar of (whats misbehavin?)is veeeery low today.maybe it would be fun start a kickout olympics game...3:-)
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Submitted by grdaed73 on Sun, 03/30/2008 - 12:58

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Submitted by stuman on Sun, 03/30/2008 - 18:58

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I really hope we don`t star loosing members over this frigin chat room shit !!!! That would be a shame ,,.. I know a lot of people are here just to chat to kind people sometimes ,, and if we can`t chat to kind people ,, what`s the point in being here ??? I was really starting to feel good about myself again,, that`s a feeling i hav`nt felt in 15 years ..it is nice to know there is so many like me out here but we just can`t talk to each other without a hassle,... it`s really sad ,,,,,,,,,,
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Submitted by stuman on Sun, 03/30/2008 - 19:06

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hell it is getting to the point when you can`t even finish what you started to write .. Marey you are a free lance riter , imagine someone taking away your note book before you can finish ...............
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Submitted by GreenRipple on Sun, 03/30/2008 - 19:10

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I am sure that there are a lot of technologically gifted Dheads that could offer a shimmer of light about what is going on ... It was good to see that they fixed the issue about non-registered users entering the chat room. Thank you. It seems to be an issue with folks that enter the chatroom, say a few words, maybe more, and then have to leave for what ever reason. No wrong or mis-behaving going on here. When they leave it appears that the system thinks they are still part of the chatroom. Which then results in a certain level of in-activity that the system recognizes. Hence, the way to fix the issue is to 'flush the toilet' and kick everyone out.
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Submitted by lookatitright on Mon, 03/31/2008 - 08:40

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Just went back a page and read that I'm not the only vewwy, vewwy bad person. Yee hah!
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Submitted by marye on Mon, 03/31/2008 - 09:14

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I just got kicked out for misbehaving myself. I have conveyed the general discontent to the tech folks. So sorry for the aggravation.
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Submitted by Frankly on Mon, 03/31/2008 - 13:46

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that we all are in the same boat,but thats the thing anyway(a group of people called deadheads,swimming around life in a ship of fools.remember?)but that chat thing starts getting weird.i am apatient person wheni get the boot 50 times in one hour i try 50 times to get in again.but not everybody does and after going through this mess the third day,im also pretty bored pushing the button,but far more annoyed by the nice conversations that get cut and in the last consequence finished.and thats BAD,because alot of nice discussions were grounded and it ends up that the people dont take that thing for communication,but just for blabla..what else can u do in 30 secs.its a really big problem and i dont understand that the tech guys r not capable of dealing with it.if it continues,it will just slip away...and THAT WOULD BE SAD!
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Submitted by Hal R on Mon, 03/31/2008 - 14:26

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I am not a major whiner, but come on, this is not working. If someone got $ to create a chatroom, they should make it work. Many of us try to do the best at our jobs, it would be nice if the people creating chatroom would or could too. Is that really asking to much? If the doors of perception were cleansed, everything would appear to man as it is, infinite. William Blake

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Submitted by buddy plant on Mon, 03/31/2008 - 14:48

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Like Janis said: Try, try, try just a little bit harder...
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Submitted by marye on Mon, 03/31/2008 - 18:28

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I just got booted out twice for misbehaving myself. Jonathan is trying various things in hopes of resolving this.
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Submitted by cosmicbadger on Mon, 03/31/2008 - 23:39

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surely all they have to do is to completely remove the routine that does the kicking. Since it does not punish you for profanity and such anyway why keep it? Let us chat and self police for a while and see how it goes while they develop a more sophisticated kicking routine if such a thing is needed. They could publish or even make a discussion of the criteria for kicking people. I want to be on the committee that discusses what and what is not profanity as I am an expert on such things ;-) So please just turn off the fucking kicking machine!!!!
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Submitted by Frankly on Tue, 04/01/2008 - 01:22

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as i believe that 99% of the people using the net have reached the age of 18(i dont want to impose on them that they are adults),though have aquired the right to decide for themselves what their doing,it just makes no sense to have an installation who treats them like an awkward teacher.(kicked out for misbehavin...i thought it was a hallucination when i 1st saw it).anyway i am sure that somebody coming to the chat and acting like a bastard,goof or otherwise being annoying to the people there,will be after a while ignorated .no machine needed...YEAH,turn that damn kick-thing off!!!!:-)(-:
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Submitted by Frankly on Tue, 04/01/2008 - 01:21

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as i believe that 99% of the people using the net have reached the age of 18(i dont want to impose on them that they are adults),though have aquired the right to decide for themselves what their doing,it just makes no sense to have an installation who treats them like an awkward teacher.(kicked out for misbehavin...i thought it was a hallucination when i 1st saw it).anyway i am sure that somebody coming to the chat and acting like a bastard,goof or otherwise being annoying to the people there,will be after a while ignorated .no machine needed...YEAH,turn that damn kick-thing off!!!!:-)(-:
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as i believe that 99% of the people using the net have reached the age of 18(i dont want to impose on them that they are adults),though have aquired the right to decide for themselves what their doing,it just makes no sense to have an installation who treats them like an awkward teacher.(kicked out for misbehavin...i thought it was a hallucination when i 1st saw it).anyway i am sure that somebody coming to the chat and acting like a bastard,goof or otherwise being annoying to the people there,will be after a while ignorated .no machine needed...YEAH,turn that damn kick-thing off!!!!:-)(-:
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Submitted by Frankly on Tue, 04/01/2008 - 01:25

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must have made an error.excuse me for abusing so much place....
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Submitted by stuman on Tue, 04/01/2008 - 03:20

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i get an error on page , at the bottom of the screen ? then the boot ? not whinning just saying what i see ... wow Frankly i thought sunshine Bob could only get a tripple !! LOL cool ...
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Submitted by Jodester on Tue, 04/01/2008 - 04:34

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Chat is great!Would b nice to be able to see who is in there before u go in, is that technically possible? I mean with out major hassles? Are you kind?
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Submitted by marye on Tue, 04/01/2008 - 11:03

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I've passed along the request for that feature, which I agree would be a good thing.
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Submitted by Jodester on Tue, 04/01/2008 - 12:08

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Oh, nice one! Thanks! Are you kind?
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Submitted by Hal R on Tue, 04/01/2008 - 13:57

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I got the chatroom blueswon’t let me stay when I choose been booted again can’t share all my news. I got the chatroom blues I been paying my dues just me misbehaving can’t all get your views. I got the chatroom blues we want to read what we spew with Buddy, CB, Ami and Chris LOL what can we do? If the doors of perception were cleansed, everything would appear to man as it is, infinite. William Blake
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Submitted by Steve-O on Tue, 04/01/2008 - 14:05

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Just got kicked out for being knotty
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Submitted by stuman on Tue, 04/01/2008 - 21:04

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If anyone wishes to say hello to me please PM me,, the damm chat room is frigin imposible !!!!!!!!!!! Been booted 6 times in 60 seconds !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! can`t even stay in long enough to see who is in there .... Maybe is should just be totally removed .... it`s like putting a big fat joint in front of you and telling you not to smoke that thing !!! Chat room blues for sure !!!! love that post Hal !! Take care everyone !! Hope to hear from someone !! Peace !!
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Submitted by stuman on Tue, 04/01/2008 - 22:06

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please do not take my postings the wrong way i an not mad . life just gets a little agravating sometimes. getting the boot, well i know everyone has this issue, getting booted so fast like that is just agravating thats all. we all just need someone to talk to sometimes. hope the chat room can be repaired soon.. peace ...
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Submitted by iknowurider on Wed, 04/02/2008 - 08:30

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Maybe we got the boot for the blood & murder talk this time. Hells bells, I squealed like a pig. Hog actually ~ " Hog for you Baby"
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Submitted by cosmicbadger on Wed, 04/02/2008 - 08:58

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Can I repeat my request :-) it does no good at all so why not just switch it off, let us self police while the bugs are fixed off line and reinstall it when it works and if needed. Pleeeeease. A lot of us sad lonely folk who seek refuge there are being pushed further to the edge or madness!
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Submitted by marye on Wed, 04/02/2008 - 09:02

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I'm not entirely sure that's the true source of the problem rather than a symptom. But I'll pass along the request.

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Submitted by buddy plant on Wed, 04/02/2008 - 14:44

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Part of the fun is the spontaneity of the format. It's like when you're trying to get it on with yer old lady and somebody keeps knocking on the door. Or the dog keeps yapping away, or the phone keeps ringing. All those distractions take away from the experience. The getting kicked out issue is becoming too much of a distraction. Please don't take this as a complaint, I just want to chat with a few buds, and have some fun. Thank you for having a great site for us DH's to hang out and have a bit of community, in that great big old place Mr. Barlow calls cyber-space. Peas and hominy, Bud Plant
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Submitted by marye on Wed, 04/02/2008 - 16:06

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Jonathan says, oh, how we wish we could just disable the kick function, but it doesn't appear to be possible with the software in question. He also says that he's incorporated some fixes and is running a test version of the software on a test site and hopes to have some good news for us soon. Thanks, folks, we feel your pain and we want it to stop too.
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Submitted by stuman on Thu, 04/03/2008 - 16:25

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cool ... it is nice to know that Jonathan is working on the issue,,.. will someone please PM me when or if he gets it repaired.. Or anyone can Pm me for whatever reason , just to say hello or whatever conversation is a wonderfull thing ,,,,.... Thank you ! Have a Grate Day everyone.. peace ... Stu ..........
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Submitted by Frankly on Fri, 04/04/2008 - 11:16

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i am in no way a tech wiz.but my brother IS,and my son is going that direction too.both of them have thaught me a basic rule when it comes down to work with comps.they are machines,and they wont do anything what was not put into their program to do!so my humble conclusion is:in this software there is a function,lets call it kick-machine,which to work must be turn ON,that leads me to the further idea that their must,no their HAS to be a function that is capable to turn OFF the kick-thing.its just incredible to imagine that you have software which you cannot controll,because ON/OFF are the basics of control.if i am wrong than you have a software which decides instead of the people who installed it.come on,mary,please tell me that this is not true. :-)(-:P.S.if it was a test run,than it is allready going on for months,and i just cant imagine that you have installed software which controls you instead of you controlling it.Please mary there is so much frustration,deception etc.being caused by this ONE malfunction...turn the button if you can........and have a nice weekend!!

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Submitted by buddy plant on Fri, 04/04/2008 - 16:32

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... to fix the issues in the chat room I would do so forthwith. Sadly, I do not possess such high level skills. However, and post haste I will concentrate all my positive thoughts on getting this thing straightened out, and I know if we all think good positive thoughts everything's gonna be all right. Perhaps we could close our eyes and wiggle our noses and viola! it's all fixed and working like clockwork. Then all the heads worldwide in Europe, and Asia, and South America, and North America, and everywhere else can chat one day and have a fun and totally groovy chat experience. Who knows, maybe we Deadheads can solve all of the issues that are troubling mankind at this time. I personally think that if we used more Hemp, things would be much more copacetic. So let's get to work on the chat room and maybe, just maybe we save Planet Earth. Which by the way, just happens to be the best planet that ever was.