Grateful Dead

104 replies [Last post]


Comment viewing options

Select your preferred way to display the comments and click "Save settings" to activate your changes.
c_c's picture
Joined: Jun 4 2007

I totally agree that Weir has, always had, a tru;ly unique playing style. (Didn't all of the boys?)

Weir would strike those cords with remarkable altruism, giving everybody else the space to move around and create wonderful sounds. In my foolish youth, I used to think Weir was a bit of a hack, (forgive me Father, for I have sinned) but as I've grown up I've come to appreciate him more and more.

5 fingers from one hand, as Phil would say. Truly remarkable.

If you look at the opening licks of China Cat, as just one example, isn't Bobby playing lead??

In the dueling slides of some CC Rider's or other blues tunes, similarilry, Weir is lead; Garcia and Weir together were simply fan-fucking-tastic. So, I would no more chategorize Weir as a 'rhythm' guitarist any more than I would simply categorize the GD as a rock n' roll band.

Since the boys played so many genres of music, blues, rock, cowboy tunes, country tunes, experimental jams, etc. etc it is simply impossible to categorize any of it.

jalepeno peppers mixed with cayene, mixed with chilli, with a touch of taragon thrown in for good measure.

the acoustic grateful dead stuff is also totally enlightening; opening up new visions of reason in a lovely blend of sound. man, let's all remember the gd went 'unplugged' so long before Clapton, (no disrespect to the 'slow hand' intended) it is almost laughable that people thought Clapton's album was seminal.

Seminal?? Cum on cc! what kind of double entendre is that!!????

( -; yuk yuk yuk.


Joined: Jun 4 2007
There is NO ONE

that plays rhythm like Bobby. He IS totally unique and I echo your sentiment, pk, "he is the best rhythm player I have ever heard, by far." No doubt.
Shimmering, harmonic, subtle, and vital that he elevates the remarkable ensemble playing of the band. (unintentional dead reference but recognized as soon I typed it ;o} ).

pkpotter's picture
Joined: Jun 7 2007
Excellent points

Agree, it's all about the space, the space is what makes this group of musicians constantly evolve and "play" with their songs for decades and constantly get a different feel. If you isolate Bobby and just listen to his playing, it is always completely unexpected, you can hear him playing in that space. This is a rhythm guitar player mind you.
That is why I believe he is the best rhythm player I have ever heard, by far.

Joined: Jun 4 2007
Dynamics Pappy

terrific point and well made. No disrespect to any players, but BB King often talked about "playing with the space between the notes" (!) and in BB's playing and Garcia's had that hesitation, the patience, (the space), letting the note decay (or fade away ;o}) which does bring a that anticipation that I have always loved with the Dead.
And Bobby definately understands "too much to fast" and has wonderful and tasty chops that add to much. Thanks for that insight Pappy, it really hits home with me as well.

Enjoy the show everyone, this is just grate!!!!!!!!!

PAPPYPGH's picture
Joined: Jul 2 2007
Yes and no, Stan


I agree that Jerry & Brent were an INCREDIBLE team. I loved watching and listening to them play off of each other - it was truly magical. BUT - I'm gonna defend Bobby here. His interplay w/ Garcia is truly magical, as well. Weir's style lent itself SO wonderfully to Garcia's!!! They complimented each other and that's the beauty of the GD - EVERYONE complimented each other SO well....the interplay with each and every member off of each and every other member is what made the GD magical.

Now, for the Chimenti/Baracco rant. First, let me say - I like BOTH of these guys a lot. BUT - Rob Baracco PLAYS HIS ASS OFF. And I don't mean that as a compiment. He's too busy. He never seems to stop. Great chops, but VERY little dynamics. Chimenti is more of a subtle player and is a better listener, IMHO. He may not have all the chops as Rob, but he's tasty. NEITHER of those guys are on the level of Brent Mydland or Melvin Seals (two guys who REALLY knew/know how to listen and utilize dynamics to the fullest degree), so at some point ya just gotta get over that...I know it's hard, but ya just gotta. It's my same beef w/ Warren. GREAT player. Chops galore. Too busy, not enough DYNAMIC interplay. Some of my favorite moments of a GD show were when you could hear a pin drop in the middle of a He's Gone or Stella Blue or even songs like They Love Each Other & Looks Like Rain. THAT'S what I want from a band. Too much "full-throttle" gets old quick to me. Raise the roof, then bring it back down. Let it breathe.


~ Pappy

"Once in a while you can get shown the light in the strangest of places, if you look at it right." - Robert Hunter

Joined: Jul 3 2007
View from the Vault 1

I think it's 1 anyway, from 3 rivers stadium. Jerry and Brent connections...priceless. Same in the Radio City dvd and truckin' up to Buffalo. Unfortunaltly I never got to see Brent live, I was just getting into the Dead the summer 90 when he died. Looking back and listening to the boy's from a historical perspective, the late 70's through the 80's are the best years for me. I know several will disagree and that's fine, notice I said for me. Since this is a Bobby topic, I feel I should say something about him as well... I love him although I really, really wish he'd stop dragging Jeff Chimenti into every Dead revival. What is this guy? Bobby's security blanket? The Summer 04 tour with the Dead? They sh*t canned Baracco for Chimenti? That made absolutly no sense. When They first came back in '02 after the big Terripan Station at Alpine Valley thing, I saw several show with the Chimenti/Barraco lineup. Baracco would be playing his heart out, singing his a@* off, freaking Chimenti would be sitting there trying to catch up. I said it before and I'm sticking to it, it's like getting a 1st grader to play with the high school band. Allman should be sitting in at PSU, why not Warren's pulling double duty? Okay I know why, his stlye of playing may interfere with the sound. At least call back Barraco, he obviously still has a great love and passion for the music despite being given the ax being a valuable member of DSO. I gave up my security blanket at age 6. Bobby how old are you? Okay my Saturday morning rant is done. 9 more days!!! Hell yes!!

Joined: Oct 4 2008
planet bobby?

Brent & Jerry, Jerry & Brent. If you don't know what I'm spouting you might want to check back. I know there are a lot of people out there that don't appreciate Brent. Well, I got news for you, Brent gave Jerry what he needed. If you were lucky enough to see The Band from 88 to 90 you should know what I mean and if you don't you were too high or you haven't seen the videos'. Brent rocked Jerry and Jerry rocked Brent. They had a connection that Bobby wished he had with JG. I watch the videos' and it gives me chills to see how happy Jerry is playing with someone as talented as Mydland. Yes, he is similar when playing with Hornesby, but Brent was there for over 10 years and JG loved him. As much as I love 77 and 73 my favorite thing to see is JG smile and look at Brent and jam on.

Joined: Oct 4 2008
what made bobby green?

Hey Pocky Way/ Women are Smarter

If you don't know, don't bother. These two songs, on a good night really show how much Brent and Jerry had a major connection. Brent would just fuel Jerry's fire and vice verse. It gives me chills to see Jerry so happy and animated. By the way, I have friends that hate Brent's voice, but I feel he is incredibly under appreciated. I love his voice, it seems to melt beautifully with Bob and JG. Regardless of your views on the vocals, the only player as good or better, in my opinion would be Hornesby. JG and Brent would just start a back and forth that Bob seemed oblivious to. Watch the DVD's if you don't believe.

BluesDaddy's picture
Joined: Jul 5 2008
It's funny. In the 60s it

It's funny. In the 60s it was the John Birchers who wrote stuff like this; Illuminati, the Rothschilds; one world government; etc., etc., etc. I guess it's true that paranoia knows no bounds!

"I just dropped in to see what condition my condition was in."

marye's picture
Joined: May 26 2007

he said he was going to only post once, and I've read it at least twice. Once is fine; people can post all kinds of stuff. However, spam is another matter and has a short shelf life hereabouts, and such is likely to happen to this. Or its clones. Rock on...


Comment viewing options

Select your preferred way to display the comments and click "Save settings" to activate your changes.
Bob Weir