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Posting from another Forum (what the GD are too me)

Sorry its easier to find comments in this forum as there are not too many here.

The Grateful Dead

The Grateful Dead where an amazing experience. To this day I can feel what a show felt like. (My last show was Albany 1995) The sound of a train chugging along and feeling the power that just descended onto this far away city for a couple days. When I would visit Northern Cali just North of San Fran when I was twisting and turning on those dusty roads in the middle of nowhere on the way to visit friends, I would feel the power and the influence of the Grateful Dead. The positive vibes and the thought of a complex world and the search for knowledge truly drew me in after the music had enlightened me. The Grateful Dead scene ended as we knew it in 1995, but this complex and influential world is carried on. Everyone on this site is evidence to this. It’s strange that I perceive the word "complex' as being a negative notion these days, but when I speak of "complex" in this comment it has more of a positive and discovering overtone to it. Anyway, this world was carried forward in my life after the Dead stopped touring until I could no hold on any longer. The bus stopped for me while I was back stage "Clinic" at my last Phish show in Mountain View Cali 2000, as I found myself disenchanted with my connection to Phish which extended beyond 175 + shows. It was not just Phish’s fault it was just the need for change and everyone who has followed similar foot steps can attest to this. The road is for gamblers and as good as we may be at surviving, the end has to come and you must turn the page. My bones needed some patching and books seemed the way to patch them and whenever I lifted my head from the books I jumped on an airplane to faraway places and then returned to the States and studied more. I have a compulsive personality so when I do something I get into it and there is no stopping me from finding the core. This too was influenced by the Dead because I always related the GD to intelligence and far away places and the Core. I remember reading Relex and there was a section called “We Are Everywhere,” and we are and there are reasons why we are everywhere.

These days I listen to a lot of Dead and Jazz. As there is a good Jazz club in town and it is actually the oldest Jazz club in China so it has a lot of history to it as well. Gangsters and the Shanghai underworld back in the 20s and 30’s. I recall the first time I went to a Jazz club. The decision to go to this club, knowing that I was way underage and there was no way that I could have anything other than a cup of coffee, was based on the fact that I wanted to get closer to the music of the Grateful Dead. To this very day the Grateful Dead influence me and I hope that my children embrace this experience as much as I had. So far so good!

All the stars are gone but one
Morning breaks here comes the sun
Cross the sky now sinking fast
Show me something built to last

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CC Joe

Where are you in the STates?

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a while back

a while back, I emailed them to, but they never replied. anyway, while I will keep positive thoughts about the possibility, in reality, it is quite doubtful.

thankx for the effort.

peace.

"What's the point of calling shots, this cue ain't straight in line
Cue balls made of styrofoam and no-one's got the time"

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Grateful Dead Shanghai China

http://sh.piao.com.cn/en_piao/ticket_1143.html#

The above is the link and i had contact with the agent today and they told me that a production company was working on the booking and they said that it should happen but they are not sure when. Thats all i have and i wish i had more. I will keep you posted.

greg

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Woodfishtoo,

Sorry i really cant give too much advice on this one as i have never done it. When i first came to China i hung out at a bar called "The Kiwi', which i believe is closed now, but most of the patrons were English teachers from England and her former colonies and these guys would party pretty hard. My wife stopped me from going to this bar because i would come home a complete wreak. This was about 3-4 years ago. Keep in mind that the bars here do not close until the last person leaves and when you are with a bunch of Ozzies and Kiwis you tend to not leave until the sun is up. These boys can drink. Anyway i used to bring in Dead Shows and everyone loved it even though they never heard of the Dead. I was usually the youngest one with ages from 50 to 35. Over all i would say that China is a very good escape and you would be suprised at what you find over here. I would suggest trying to stay in a bigger city or if you want to get lost in China go to a smaller city, but you will do a complete 180 in your daily life. Anyway, i have been all over this country and have experienced many things and at this point i try not to leave Shanghai, but when i first came here my goal was the smaller cities and the country side etc. I speak Chinese as well so its easy for me to get around and was during that time period. If you do not speak any Chinese i would not recommend going off on your own unless the School has something set up for you. The first thing i noticed (and you will too) is that the American Propaganda machine was wrong as the only soliders that i saw at that time where the ones i would put my arm around while drinking a pint of beer out on the streets at 3 o'clock in the morning for a photo shoot!!! Things have calmed down some but things are still crazy over here. I hope this comment assits you with your potential journey.

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CC Joe,

I have sent my secretary there 3 times and "typical Chinese style," we have received mixed information every time. I have not done too much pushing ever since you and i had this conversation in May or June. I will keep my eyes and ears open.

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China

Might be a long shot but considering going to China to teach English in preparation for
their hosting of the Olympics. I read all I can of first hand accounts, impressions, advice,
etc. I know 'China' doesn't mean 'all of China', that a place so vast and old must be more
diverse and complicated than a 'never been there' person could imagine. Kinda nervous
about going there, but almost (or lots more) curious. Mainly, need a job, 57 tomarrow,
teaching positions not easy to get, especially at my ripe old (and in the way) age. Definately need to 'reset my clock', find a new purpose for my efforts. Money isn't everything, by a long shot. A place to go and a reason to do, work worthy of my time and efforts are what I seek. Been a teacher forever, special educ., early childhood, etc. Kids grown, time to reclaim my
own life and times, adventures, fun, friends, music, purpose...anyway, this being a world-
wide forum, expect more info. than I can read. Thanks to those who have written re:China
already, as I need to decide, apply for positions, ASAP. Not necessarily wanting to
run away from current life, children, etc., but need to put some fresh air in my tired tires,
reset my clock, find the 'me' I lost track of during the last 20 + years. Being Dad is good,
but peace and quiet in an 'empty nest' is not my desire. Want to regain a view of a future
that has become blurry and short in my mind's eye. Plenty of time left, don't want it to be a
quick blur. Want ? Need ? Don't really know but gotta go. Further.

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dude,

did you send Columbo to speak with the ticket agent?

there is no way the dead wold play in China before they played in a US city...

peace.

"What's the point of calling shots, this cue ain't straight in line
Cue balls made of styrofoam and no-one's got the time"

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Fascinating Trifecta

I love to hear first had adventures in what is for me unfamiliar territory. The more people who speak openly about their experiences makes the world a better and more tolerant place, I think. And no apologies necessary about "boring Germans". Trust me, I can rant about that very subject for hours, and HAVE on occasion, but I have adopted the lovely French habit of feeling compelled to state an opposite point of view, in order to foster discussion and debate. Is my opinion that German society tends to be very afraid of individualism, and being seen as different; and this fear is a "hangover" of the Nazi days. But again is only my own personal thesis.

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Tiger Lilly,

I must apologize as that statement about Germans being boring is a horrible generalization. China: Yes you do gain an appreciation of Western comforts and the value of individual life after being here. It all depends on the China you actually live in because if you are living in Shanghai and if you are an expat or in an upper income bracket then you can live very well. I could honestly say that I live better here than I could if I lived in the States. Here a made costs about $120-130 per month so you just get a couple of them and they pretty much do everything from cleaning, cooking, making beds, etc. The soft bed had to be imported from England as the Chinese enjoy sleeping on the box spring mattress! For me there are 2 China's, there is the educated class middle - upper class and there are the uneducated classes (peasants) who are the majority of the society. I must say this first, that 99% of Chinese people either upper lower anything are usually nice people. At least from my experiences I have always been treated well and in the most remote parts of China I have received smiles. I also feel safer here in China than I would in the States. There are no guns and very little crime. I can walk anywhere in the City of 24 million people at any time of the night and not have a problem. (From being on Tour I have been to every major city in the States 4-5 times if not more and I can tell you some horror stories! I will save that for another thread.) Of course there could be exceptions, but over all China is a safe place and Children are looked upon as being treasure so your children are safe as well (from kidnapping and sex offenders.) There is crime that involves murder etc but 99% of the time this is internal family dispute etc, but again this is not too common. Little respect for individual life: I agree there are 1.4 billion people here and human life is not worth too much and is very expendable. I have many horror stories some are from my own experiences, some I have read in the English New Paper, and some I have heard from word of mouth. Most of these stories take place outside of the big cities in the country side where the majority of the people live that have very little education. This is where the stories of the orphanage probabley originated from . These places exist and the thought of giving your baby away because it is a girl horrifies me. As I know many Chinese people in Shanghai who have girls and love them very much, I can say that the orphage you mention above does not represent the country as a whole. I hope that I have given you a clearer picture into China. And there were rumors that The Dead where coming to Shanghai and Beijing but it seems these rumors have died out, but if it ever comes true then this would be a good time to come to China!!!

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