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everything you need from the ships and the ice cream

Mary, Sinéad's long, drawn out letters may have been heartfelt, but are entirely ineffective and the method chosen to convey her feelings spectacularly poorly judged.
Why not contact her directly and express concern, if she so desperately feels the need, instead of an 'open letter'? Her rambling was met with a rather delightfully witty response; some cute little put-downs which she immediately took exception to. If you don't like being called crazy, please refrain from acting in such a fashion.

As for Mrs. Lennox, her tiring call for a rating system for pop videos was rightfully shown the exit back in the eighties, along with the equally delusional rantings of Tipper Bore et al. May i humbly suggest a ratings system for banal, mediocre and instantly forgettable piano ballads, usually delivered with a teary eye at a Comic Relief event, accompanied by video screens projecting images of suffering African children.

Their views once again perpetuate the incoherent and illogical belief/myth that any woman working in pornography, nude modeling or the sex industry, is being manipulated, coerced, prostituted or pimped by men. For some lamentable reason, it would seem that certain women, sometimes men (usually when trying to impress in the company of women, truth be told), are deeply unhappy with their fellow gender openly celebrating their sexuality. The notion that women can enjoy and promote sex of their own accord appears unfathomable and sadly adds to the general condescension that females have to endure on a regular basis. Are we to attribute empowerment and strength only to the male of the species?

Miss Cyrus' parents have nothing to be ashamed of. She is a beautiful young girl enjoying herself and exploring her sexuality. And although Billy Ray has a hell of a lot to answer for; inflicting 'Achy Breaky Heart' on the world's population to name but one, that is a whole other kettle of slimy, white fish (mullet fish?) - his daughter's behaviour is not one of them.
Is 'Wrecking Ball' a great pop song? Not especially. Is the video an immense artistic achievement? Not really, although it's splendidly fun and everything a good pop video should be; certainly has a lot of people frothing (at both ends). Intention aside, (and be damned even, it's the results that are interesting), is it more/less entertaining than a bunch of guys (it usually is, isn't it?) essentially repeating the same songs, with minor adjustments and fluctuations in key for a living? (A question quite reasonably aimed at a large section of artists deified on this site). The answer? Hugely debatable.

Pornography, nudity and sex is not intrinsically a danger to women. To be more pertinent - in·trin·sic ( n-tr n z k, -s k). adj. 1. Of or relating to the essential nature of a thing; inherent.
Sex and the body in it's purest form is beautiful and to be encouraged.

I read the other day that there was an offer to Miley for $1 million to direct a porn movie. I hope she has the courage to accept this offer.

And Anna - i'm afraid i've no idea what you meant by your 'don't give in to denial - the news is what it is' comment. I can only assume that Slo Lettuce was correct in his guess and that you took my 'Shut up..' posts as personally directed at your good self. Although why you would think i would ever speak to you in such a fashion is beyond me and makes for rather a depressing thought.
It never is, never was and never will be my intention to tell anyone what they can or cannot express in this Forum. This should be a place for everyone.
Your views on this subject are hugely encouraged.

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Well Ted, The Way You get around

I doubt you're living paycheck-to-paycheck. Still, I wish to express my deepest sympathy for the family crosses we all bear. Well, the unluckiest of us, or the luckiest ones in the lessons we learn. Well, you know what I mean...

Need I say it? The Tea Party has torn asunder the two-party system that sustains the Right's hegemony over us all. Whooda thunk it!

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Don't worry, Slo

I acknowledge Randy is light-years ahead of me. Good detective work on your part!

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lesson learned...

my apologies to anyone I made feel uncomfortable or disrespected. The only pot I ever care to stir is usually sitting next to me.

I will now write, "I will attempt to keep my big keyboard shut" 100 times on the etherboard.

Knowing myself though, this will be met with limited success.... :)

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I think the Sinead letter

sort of goes into the anthology that also contains Courtney Love's screed on the music industry. Out there maybe, but classic.

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Dunno about Annie

But Sinead O'Connor issued a long, somewhat repetitious, but heartfelt and effective old-female-rock-star-to-a-young-one saying that allowing an industry to make a buck out of prostituting her was not going to end well. This with particular regard to the "twerking" episode and the nekkid Wrecking Ball video.

This has been much commented upon in many quarters, including one music industry veteran who allowed as how it was a shame Miley had to hear this from Sinead instead of her parents.

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The Eleven

11 days now that the U.S. government has been shutdown. That's a complete paycheck for those that don't know. Our bills keep coming while our income is dwindling. As you may guess, we're not too happy with obstructionist Republicans, mostly Tea Party extreme conservatives, and we're mind-boggled by those who are furious with the President and Democrat controlled Senate. We've been taking it one day at a time, hiking, biking and traveling over to Topeka with my father-in-law whom is suffering from dementia. Haven't been camping due to our commitment to caring for the old boy. We're looking forward to a solution to the stalemate, as we are going to travel afar to visit a national park next week. The December credit card bill will be a butt kicker, just in time for the Christmas holiday.

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Think you missed the point

Though I have no idea what points Sinead and Annie were making and don't care enough to look it up.

Providing a context for those of us less willing to do a google search would be appreciated and might bring forth other opinions.

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Catchy Feely Twerky Monkey

very perceptive, SL. the beauty of google search, for those not up-to-date with their pop princesses.

sex, sexuality, sexual imagery and nudity is NORMAL.
people can hurt others due to lack of guidance, wayward/absent parenting, oppression and frustration. although this doesn't account for persons brought up in a loving, cultured, educated environment who commit appalling crimes against women. this is an area for cognitive neuroscience, not finger-pointing and scapegoats.
images of the body, of healthy celebration and of one of the most beautiful, pleasurable and fulfilling acts that human beings can enjoy and share with one another needs to be put into context. you don't throw the baby out with the bath water.

how demonstrably and utterly shameful to demonise a 20 year girl.

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aha

okay, I'll go for that.:-) Never mind!

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